Yale vs TCNJ/UMDNJ

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Hi everyone! I am a senior at the Bergen Academy for the Advancement of Science and Technology in NJ. I have been accepted into Yale early action (non-binding) and will likely have to decide between Yale and the 7 year TCNJ/UMDNJ-Newark BA/MD program.

I would be getting a full scholarship for the TCNJ part, but Yale's financial aid package is so generous I will not be taking out any loans anyway. Yale will cost me 60k over 4 years, which is more than manageable. So I'd like to take money out of consideration. I definitely found both Yale and TCNJ to be great, though neither is in the optimal location, the campus and people itself seem great. However, I am not in love with UMDNJ, etc.

I have to admit, I don't know too much about UMDNJ though, so if anyone has any personal experience visiting or attending please feel free to share. Is it worth risking a spot to medical school?

If you were in my position, what would you choose?

Hope to get some good feedback, thanks 🙂

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I would avoid binding/combined programs if possible. Just my opinion though. If you're smart and driven enough to get into Yale, you're likely smart and driven enough to get into many different medical schools. I don't see the point in limiting yourself, tempting though the security may be.
 
Hi, I'm a sophomore at Yale and I can offer advice.

To make an easy decision easier: Go to Yale.

Unequivocally, Yale is absolutely amazing.

I will look at your decision in three dimensions:

Academically, Yale is superb. But what they don't tell you is the grade inflation. Our organic chemistry class was curved to the B/B+ range and was not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be.

You will not have to worry about your GPA if you come to Yale. Trust.

Socially, Yale is full of amazing, interesting, and driven people. I have friends from Zimbabwe, South Africa, Germany, and California. I do not have experience with New Jersey colleges, but I do not think that they have the same geographic diversity that Yale has. And although this point may seem trivial it is not. Meeting so many different people from different places really expands your horizons to the point that you WANT to see the world.

Easiest Reason: Harvard-Yale weekend. It will be, without a doubt, the best weekend of your life. It is amazing, we have a ton of social activities, we interact with people from that school in Boston, and occasionally kick Harvard *****, but the intangible excitement of being part of a tradition that extends back hundreds of years is ineffable.

The Feast of Comestibles. I don't won't to ruin this surprise, but it is one of the highlights of freshman year. Come and be amazed.

Safety Dance: This is a dance that is 80s themed, I don't like 80s music so I don't participate as excitedly as everyone else, but a ton of people dress up in outrageous 80s costumes and party!

Parties: Parties at Yale are completely open. There basically is no exclusivity when it comes to parties at Yale, something that will NOT be the case at every college.

Drinking: Most Yalies and pre-Yalies were nerds. I was one, you probably are, heck we all were, but many chose to change that in college. The university is completely open to drinking. For example, the master of our residential college held a Christmas party where he served spiked hot chocolate and wine TO FRESHMEN! It is awesome.

Residential Colleges: One of the MAIN draws of Yale. At many schools, there is not a sense of cohesive community because they are so large. However, at Yale, not only is the university moderately sized, but they further divide people up into twelve residential colleges. This offers the opportunity to eat with a group of friends nightly and to really build a sense of community and family. The residential colleges compete against each other in sports and also during the Freshman Olympics (again an AMAZING surprise that I don't want to ruin).

Beauty: The college is gorgeous. You HAVE to visit to see how ornate and beautiful everything is. Sterling Library is breathtaking and each residential college has its own unique charm. I'm in Calhoun, which was very recently renovated and to step outside and see how grand it is is surreal.
Fun Fact: I lived in Bingham hall my freshman year and every morning I woke up and looked at Skull and Bones, from my window.


History: It is extraordinarily difficult to articulate the sublimity that is felt from being apart of history. The people who have walked these halls have gone on to lead the world, to achieve greatness in law (Sonia Sotomayor), business (Indra Nooyi), and medicine (Ben Carson). And it is extremely exciting to partake in that history and maybe even one day contribute to the great legacy of this place.

That is something else about Yale. It allows, enables, and encourages you to think big. Why can't you be a world renowned surgeon? Why can't you be a senator? Why can't you be a supreme court justice? Why can't you be president? Do not underestimate the impact that dreaming big can have on you, your life, and your future. Here, nothing is off-limits, if you work hard enough. The feeling and knowledge that you can accomplish anything permeates this place because so many others before you have done it.

Make no mistake, admission to Yale is not a verification of your hardwork, it is a stamp of certification of your potential to accomplish great things, to help others.


And luckily, thanks to the university's endowment, there are TONS of opportunities to see the world for free. Since you are on financial aid, you are guaranteed at least one summer trip free, but you can also apply to several fellowships that allow you to travel to: Italy, England, France, Spain, Istanbul , Uganda, Argentina, China, Singapore and other places that I don't fully remember.


Pre-Med/EC Stuff:

Medical opportunities literally abound. There is Yale Scientific magazine, which you can start on right away, the Medical Professions Outreach Program, which coordinates shadowing (trust me, the structure of the program makes it IMMENSELY easier to shadow at Yale New Haven, which is a short walk away from main campus), the Minority Association of Premedical students, which is very activate and open to non-minorities. Also, the School of Medicine has many medically related jobs open to undergraduates, from research positions to clinical assistant jobs. I personally work in the office of a medical geneticist and it is a great job. I get paid and get another boost to my application, it is a win win.

In addition to the above, there are also many opportunities to be involved with non-medical things. I am involved with the Yale Political Union, where I recently served on the executive board, and through the union I have met John Kerry, Dinesh D'Souza, and even been kissed by Karl Rove (no joke).

There is also the Yale Homelessness and Hunger Project, which is very involved on campus and in the surrounding city.

Also, if you want to conduct research with a professor, it is as simple as emailing them expressing your interest and you may be offered a position in their lab. However, some are busy and do not respond to all emails, so if you do this, be sure to email quite a few.

An important point: Every year about 94% of all the applicants from Yale get admitted to medical school. Don't worry about getting into medical school, you are smart and you can do it.


There are plenty of other reasons to come to Yale, but so that this message isn't biased, one of the downsides to Yale is the fact that there is no Taco Bell. This varies from person to person, but I was DEVASTATED to find out that there was not a Taco bell in walking distance.
 
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So the choice is to stay in the armpit of america or go to Yale? Seriously?
 
I say if you do go to Yale... Don't end up back in NJ for med school, cause wouldn't that be a waste of a waste of time and effort. Just saying 😎.
 
Yale will change your life. Significantly change your life.
 
Yale fo' sho'
 
Hi, I'm a sophomore at Yale and I can offer advice.

To make an easy decision easier: Go to Yale.

Unequivocally, Yale is absolutely amazing.

I will look at your decision in three dimensions:

Academically, Yale is superb. But what they don't tell you is the grade inflation. Our organic chemistry class was curved to the B/B+ range and was not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be.

You will not have to worry about your GPA if you come to Yale. Trust.


Socially, Yale is full of amazing, interesting, and driven people. I have friends from Zimbabwe, South Africa, Germany, and California. I do not have experience with New Jersey colleges, but I do not think that they have the same geographic diversity that Yale has. And although this point may seem trivial it is not. Meeting so many different people from different places really expands your horizons to the point that you WANT to see the world.

Easiest Reason: Harvard-Yale weekend. It will be, without a doubt, the best weekend of your life. It is amazing, we have a ton of social activities, we interact with people from that school in Boston, and occasionally kick Harvard *****, but the intangible excitement of being part of a tradition that extends back hundreds of years is ineffable.

The Feast of Comestibles. I don't won't to ruin this surprise, but it is one of the highlights of freshman year. Come and be amazed.

Safety Dance: This is a dance that is 80s themed, I don't like 80s music so I don't participate as excitedly as everyone else, but a ton of people dress up in outrageous 80s costumes and party!

Parties: Parties at Yale are completely open. There basically is no exclusivity when it comes to parties at Yale, something that will NOT be the case at every college.

Drinking: Most Yalies and pre-Yalies were nerds. I was one, you probably are, heck we all were, but many chose to change that in college. The university is completely open to drinking. For example, the master of our residential college held a Christmas party where he served spiked hot chocolate and wine TO FRESHMEN! It is awesome.

Residential Colleges: One of the MAIN draws of Yale. At many schools, there is not a sense of cohesive community because they are so large. However, at Yale, not only is the university moderately sized, but they further divide people up into twelve residential colleges. This offers the opportunity to eat with a group of friends nightly and to really build a sense of community and family. The residential colleges compete against each other in sports and also during the Freshman Olympics (again an AMAZING surprise that I don't want to ruin).

Beauty: The college is gorgeous. You HAVE to visit to see how ornate and beautiful everything is. Sterling Library is breathtaking and each residential college has its own unique charm. I'm in Calhoun, which was very recently renovated and to step outside and see how grand it is is surreal.
Fun Fact: I lived in Bingham hall my freshman year and every morning I woke up and looked at Skull and Bones, from my window.


History: It is extraordinarily difficult to articulate the sublimity that is felt from being apart of history. The people who have walked these halls have gone on to lead the world, to achieve greatness in law (Sonia Sotomayor), business (Indra Nooyi), and medicine (Ben Carson). And it is extremely exciting to partake in that history and maybe even one day contribute to the great legacy of this place.

That is something else about Yale. It allows, enables, and encourages you to think big. Why can't you be a world renowned surgeon? Why can't you be a senator? Why can't you be a supreme court justice? Why can't you be president? Do not underestimate the impact that dreaming big can have on you, your life, and your future. Here, nothing is off-limits, if you work hard enough. The feeling and knowledge that you can accomplish anything permeates this place because so many others before you have done it.

Make no mistake, admission to Yale is not a verification of your hardwork, it is a stamp of certification of your potential to accomplish great things, to help others.


And luckily, thanks to the university's endowment, there are TONS of opportunities to see the world for free. Since you are on financial aid, you are guaranteed at least one summer trip free, but you can also apply to several fellowships that allow you to travel to: Italy, England, France, Spain, Istanbul , Uganda, Argentina, China, Singapore and other places that I don't fully remember.


Pre-Med/EC Stuff:

Medical opportunities literally abound. There is Yale Scientific magazine, which you can start on right away, the Medical Professions Outreach Program, which coordinates shadowing (trust me, the structure of the program makes it IMMENSELY easier to shadow at Yale New Haven, which is a short walk away from main campus), the Minority Association of Premedical students, which is very activate and open to non-minorities. Also, the School of Medicine has many medically related jobs open to undergraduates, from research positions to clinical assistant jobs. I personally work in the office of a medical geneticist and it is a great job. I get paid and get another boost to my application, it is a win win.

In addition to the above, there are also many opportunities to be involved with non-medical things. I am involved with the Yale Political Union, where I recently served on the executive board, and through the union I have met John Kerry, Dinesh D'Souza, and even been kissed by Karl Rove (no joke).

There is also the Yale Homelessness and Hunger Project, which is very involved on campus and in the surrounding city.

Also, if you want to conduct research with a professor, it is as simple as emailing them expressing your interest and you may be offered a position in their lab. However, some are busy and do not respond to all emails, so if you do this, be sure to email quite a few.

An important point: Every year about 94% of all the applicants from Yale get admitted to medical school. Don't worry about getting into medical school, you are smart and you can do it.


There are plenty of other reasons to come to Yale, but so that this message isn't biased, one of the downsides to Yale is the fact that there is no Taco Bell. This varies from person to person, but I was DEVASTATED to find out that there was not a Taco bell in walking distance.


That is a lie. You always have to worry about your GPA, nothing will be handed to you for free. Agree with all else.
 
I think it depends on how hard you want to work in college..

I haven't heard of massive grade inflation at Yale, so most likely you're gonna have to work hard to get A's in those pre-med intro classes. On the other hand, if you go to not-as-rigorous school, you can pretty much glide and still get B+'s and A's. I have a friend that went to a 7-year program and did the minimum (maintained his 3.7 and got higher than a 27 mcat) and he's in med school now.
I don't know what the requirements are for your combined program, but if you want to glide through college and actually have fun (wow.. freshmen get alcohol big deal...) then you should probably do the combined program.
On the other hand, if you want to have a very good shot at a top 10 med school, your best bet would be to go to Yale and work your ass off and graduate top 15% in your class.
 
Yale's pre-med advising is superb. They start advising you as a freshman and walk you through the process year by year. Professors are very available and eager to help students. Research opportunities are endless, even for freshman.

Check out the Perspectives on Science program for freshman. Not only does it provide interesting discussions, it comes with funding to do research the summer after freshman year, and professors are very open to having Perspectives kids in their labs.
 
Hi everyone! I am a senior at the Bergen Academy for the Advancement of Science and Technology in NJ. I have been accepted into Yale early action (non-binding) and will likely have to decide between Yale and the 7 year TCNJ/UMDNJ-Newark BA/MD program.

I would be getting a full scholarship for the TCNJ part, but Yale's financial aid package is so generous I will not be taking out any loans anyway. Yale will cost me 60k over 4 years, which is more than manageable. So I'd like to take money out of consideration. I definitely found both Yale and TCNJ to be great, though neither is in the optimal location, the campus and people itself seem great. However, I am not in love with UMDNJ, etc.

I have to admit, I don't know too much about UMDNJ though, so if anyone has any personal experience visiting or attending please feel free to share. Is it worth risking a spot to medical school?

If you were in my position, what would you choose?

Hope to get some good feedback, thanks 🙂

I say Yale too.

If you do well at Yale, you really will have your pick of med schools. There are also so many opportunities there to succeed. I agree with Cole that if you are driven enough to get into Yale, you will be able to get into med school as well. And I also agree that limiting your options now for security may seem tempting but may ultimately lead to regret.

Plus, if you decide medicine is not right for you, there are few better places to be than at an Ivy. Not saying that's going to happen but you never know. A number of us on this board went to college not wanting to pursue med school and here we are. I know it works the other way around as well.
 
So the choice is to stay in the armpit of america or go to Yale? Seriously?

and new haven is just a wonderful place 🙄

but go to Yale. You might change your mind with your career path, interests, etc

btw to the OP, I went to your HS. Congrats on your acceptance, but you still have a long way to go.
 
I haven't heard of massive grade inflation at Yale...

Then you aren't looking very hard. :laugh:

Yale has the second highest mean gpa of the Ivies. Only Brown is higher.
 
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Hi, I'm a sophomore at Yale and I can offer advice.

To make an easy decision easier: Go to Yale.

Unequivocally, Yale is absolutely amazing.

I will look at your decision in three dimensions:

Academically, Yale is superb. But what they don't tell you is the grade inflation. Our organic chemistry class was curved to the B/B+ range and was not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be.

You will not have to worry about your GPA if you come to Yale. Trust.

Socially, Yale is full of amazing, interesting, and driven people. I have friends from Zimbabwe, South Africa, Germany, and California. I do not have experience with New Jersey colleges, but I do not think that they have the same geographic diversity that Yale has. And although this point may seem trivial it is not. Meeting so many different people from different places really expands your horizons to the point that you WANT to see the world.

Easiest Reason: Harvard-Yale weekend. It will be, without a doubt, the best weekend of your life. It is amazing, we have a ton of social activities, we interact with people from that school in Boston, and occasionally kick Harvard *****, but the intangible excitement of being part of a tradition that extends back hundreds of years is ineffable.

The Feast of Comestibles. I don't won't to ruin this surprise, but it is one of the highlights of freshman year. Come and be amazed.

Safety Dance: This is a dance that is 80s themed, I don't like 80s music so I don't participate as excitedly as everyone else, but a ton of people dress up in outrageous 80s costumes and party!

Parties: Parties at Yale are completely open. There basically is no exclusivity when it comes to parties at Yale, something that will NOT be the case at every college.

Drinking: Most Yalies and pre-Yalies were nerds. I was one, you probably are, heck we all were, but many chose to change that in college. The university is completely open to drinking. For example, the master of our residential college held a Christmas party where he served spiked hot chocolate and wine TO FRESHMEN! It is awesome.

Residential Colleges: One of the MAIN draws of Yale. At many schools, there is not a sense of cohesive community because they are so large. However, at Yale, not only is the university moderately sized, but they further divide people up into twelve residential colleges. This offers the opportunity to eat with a group of friends nightly and to really build a sense of community and family. The residential colleges compete against each other in sports and also during the Freshman Olympics (again an AMAZING surprise that I don't want to ruin).

Beauty: The college is gorgeous. You HAVE to visit to see how ornate and beautiful everything is. Sterling Library is breathtaking and each residential college has its own unique charm. I'm in Calhoun, which was very recently renovated and to step outside and see how grand it is is surreal.
Fun Fact: I lived in Bingham hall my freshman year and every morning I woke up and looked at Skull and Bones, from my window.


History: It is extraordinarily difficult to articulate the sublimity that is felt from being apart of history. The people who have walked these halls have gone on to lead the world, to achieve greatness in law (Sonia Sotomayor), business (Indra Nooyi), and medicine (Ben Carson). And it is extremely exciting to partake in that history and maybe even one day contribute to the great legacy of this place.

That is something else about Yale. It allows, enables, and encourages you to think big. Why can't you be a world renowned surgeon? Why can't you be a senator? Why can't you be a supreme court justice? Why can't you be president? Do not underestimate the impact that dreaming big can have on you, your life, and your future. Here, nothing is off-limits, if you work hard enough. The feeling and knowledge that you can accomplish anything permeates this place because so many others before you have done it.

Make no mistake, admission to Yale is not a verification of your hardwork, it is a stamp of certification of your potential to accomplish great things, to help others.


And luckily, thanks to the university's endowment, there are TONS of opportunities to see the world for free. Since you are on financial aid, you are guaranteed at least one summer trip free, but you can also apply to several fellowships that allow you to travel to: Italy, England, France, Spain, Istanbul , Uganda, Argentina, China, Singapore and other places that I don't fully remember.


Pre-Med/EC Stuff:

Medical opportunities literally abound. There is Yale Scientific magazine, which you can start on right away, the Medical Professions Outreach Program, which coordinates shadowing (trust me, the structure of the program makes it IMMENSELY easier to shadow at Yale New Haven, which is a short walk away from main campus), the Minority Association of Premedical students, which is very activate and open to non-minorities. Also, the School of Medicine has many medically related jobs open to undergraduates, from research positions to clinical assistant jobs. I personally work in the office of a medical geneticist and it is a great job. I get paid and get another boost to my application, it is a win win.

In addition to the above, there are also many opportunities to be involved with non-medical things. I am involved with the Yale Political Union, where I recently served on the executive board, and through the union I have met John Kerry, Dinesh D'Souza, and even been kissed by Karl Rove (no joke).

There is also the Yale Homelessness and Hunger Project, which is very involved on campus and in the surrounding city.

Also, if you want to conduct research with a professor, it is as simple as emailing them expressing your interest and you may be offered a position in their lab. However, some are busy and do not respond to all emails, so if you do this, be sure to email quite a few.

An important point: Every year about 94% of all the applicants from Yale get admitted to medical school. Don't worry about getting into medical school, you are smart and you can do it.


There are plenty of other reasons to come to Yale, but so that this message isn't biased, one of the downsides to Yale is the fact that there is no Taco Bell. This varies from person to person, but I was DEVASTATED to find out that there was not a Taco bell in walking distance.


This made me want to go back in time and work my butt off to get into Yale lol. Nice selling, DBate. And yes, when UT Austin shut down taco bell to put a whataburger in its place, I was devastated as well.

But yeah, OP, definitely go to Yale. If you have that opportunity, don't let it get away. I'm sure a lot of people here would like to be in your shoes.
 
I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life when I went to Duke instead of Yale. I worked my butt off for grades at Duke when a few of my friends at Yale were sailing through due to grade inflation/practically giving. This was 10 years ago, but Yale doesn't change that fast 😉

I would vote Yale.
 
Thanks for all your help!

I was leaning toward Yale at first, but since everyone says undergrad and med school prestige doesn't matter, I was being swayed the other way.

If I am lucky enough to get into northwestern, browns, or cases combined program, would that change any of your minds?
 
Thanks for all your help!

I was leaning toward Yale at first, but since everyone says undergrad and med school prestige doesn't matter, I was being swayed the other way.

If I am lucky enough to get into northwestern, browns, or cases combined program, would that change any of your minds?

I don't think so.

I still think the opportunities at Yale are too good to pass up, and you should be adequately prepped for med school admissions.

Plus, if you decide to change careers, you would be much happier if you chose Yale.
 
No offence but a lot of high school students think they know what they want to do for the rest of their lives.. then they go to college and change their minds.
 
No offence but a lot of high school students think they know what they want to do for the rest of their lives.. then they go to college and change their minds.

This. And choosing a medical school is a big decision. Quite frankly, you have no idea what you want from a school or if a school will allow you to pursue your ultimate career goals (which are likely not even defined yet). You're making a binding decision with essentially zero knowledge. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
 
This should be a quick decision. You do not want to be bound in case you change your mind. The only combined program I would consider over a good undergrad program would be the Rice/Baylor Med program.

Yale will offer you much more than just pre-med classes. I loved Yale, and while I love my undergrad as well, I would never advise anyone to pass up on Yale if they will receive financial assistance. I'd choose Yale over any school in the country but Princeton. Congratulations and good luck!
 
For example, the master of our residential college held a Christmas party where he served spiked hot chocolate and wine TO FRESHMEN! It is awesome.

I wouldn't recommend posting something of this nature online.
 
I totally agree with everyone else. If I were you, I'd go to Yale (or any great school, really). No offense to those who do combined BA/MD programs, but I would think the normal route makes you a much more interesting person, not to mention a better doctor. You won't be pigeon-holed into select science classes, you can take time off between college and med school if an amazing opportunity comes your way, and most importantly, you'll be learning about the world and about people outside of the medical profession. In my opinion, you'll be a much better applicant and eventually, a much better physician.

Additionally, this may be an unfair assumption, but I'll say it nonetheless: I know a little about Bergen and have spoken to at least one student who described an incredibly high pressure environment where faculty take a hands-on approach in pushing students to "the best" as they judge it to be. Don't let the school (or your parents or SDN or whoever) push you toward any option just because they think it'll make you more "accomplished." Nobody will care that you were a doctor at the age of 24. Make a choice that you think will help you develop into the kind of person you want to become. If it's the combined program, great, but only do it if that's what you want to do.
 
let's see a great institution vs. the worst state in america?
 
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