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mamelons said:
Obama's plans do not tax the rich. Obamas's plans do not affect the rich. Obama's plans affect those individuals who have to work their butt off to get the $250-500k salary. The question remains as to whether this number is lower now -- is it the hard-working individuals who make $200k? $150k? It is not fair to distribute the wealth of anyone -- there are people who make $500k a year, and yet you people say it is completely fair to tax this person more so someone else can have a better life. What about the better life I have been working my butt off for, for over 18 years? What about the better life all the dentists and physicians and future health care providers have been working hard for, for so long. It is not about the salary to live a luxurious lifestyle. It's getting rewarded for the hard work you have done -- and those rewards are to help raise a family -- for some people, that is raising 4-5 kids, sending them through college, etc. You mean to tell me it's fair to tax the hell out of us, leave us with less money, re-distribute this so someone else can do whatever with my hard-earned salary, and then struggle to make loan payments, mortgage payments, car payments, college tuition, etc.. I don't think so. Oh yeah, and because we are apparently the rich ones, our kids can't get loans to go to college. With Obama's current plan, people are going to lose jobs -- dentists are not going to be able to keep hygienists and assistants around because they won't be able to afford to keep them. That's not fair to them either -- they are hard-working individuals who deserve their paycheck as well. They have loans to pay off and families to raise as well, and increasing taxes on small businesses (i.e. dental offices) is not going to solve the problem. You can't pay much of anything if you don't have a job. Just my opinion.
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It is completely fair to tax the rich at a higher percentage than the poor. This idea is a cornerstone of democratic societies, laid down by the ancient Athenians around the time of the Peloponnesian War. The Athenians realized that the collapse of the state would have almost no effect on the lives of their poorest citizens, on the other hand the fall Athens would lead to the ruin of their richest citizens and thus it was in the best interest of the wealthy to pay more taxes as they had much more to lose.
 
blosss said:
this election made history and proving our country can get past the racism barrier and having democrats in office is worth extra taxes for those of us that will have so much money any way. .
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👍👍🙂
 
Enso said:
Fun Census Bureau fact for you: for the past 5 decades family income growth under Democratic presidents has trumped Republican presidents... even the 95th percentile. So stop getting your panties in a bunch over "sharing the wealth."
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enso - ever heard of the lag effect? Democrat or republican, you cant really f*ck with what john maynard keynes laid out back in the day. Basically he theorized that it is difficult to determine who should get the credit for improvements in the economy b/c policy decisions take time to manifest themselves. Nice try pulling the wool over our eyes with that census data.
 
H_Caulfield said:
Sure, he loves you. I think Obama wants to help all those who can't quite succeed without handouts from the government. Maybe he'll hand you one of those MED school admissions you've clearly given up on if you're in this forum.
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I have a great idea--since the election is over, let's stop arguing amongst the pre-dents and gang up on the arrogant med student.
 
Enso said:
What would you call a 700 billion dollar bail out package for the financial elite? Well if it's a Republican who's doing it, it's necessary to ensure the stability of the market, if it's a Democrat in office it's socialism.
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Last I knew the Democrats had the majority in the legislature. For a law to take effect, it must first be recommended by both houses of the legislature before the president even has a chance to sign it. You imply the bailout is solely a Republican plot but that isn't correct.

It is completely fair to tax the rich at a higher percentage than the poor. This idea is a cornerstone of democratic societies, laid down by the ancient Athenians around the time of the Peloponnesian War. The Athenians realized that the collapse of the state would have almost no effect on the lives of their poorest citizens, on the other hand the fall Athens would lead to the ruin of their richest citizens and thus it was in the best interest of the wealthy to pay more taxes as they had much more to lose.
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Interesting you should pick examples of fallen societies. Think it really worked for them?
 
MrLebowski said:
Well, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I agree McCain is a great man, a patriot and a hero. That alone does not make someone a good leader. He has simply not demonstrated the level of intellectual aptitude to satisfy what I believe is necessary for a man in such a grueling position.

As for Sarah, yes, she's a great mother. There are millions of great loving mothers who raise their kids well. Does that automatically make them qualified to lead? No. When someone gets up on stage and tells me she's just like every suburban mom across America and infers that this alone makes her qualified to run the most powerful nation on earth, nausea and terror overcome me.
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You did not hurt my feelings so don't beat your self up. You are making assumptions that Mccain and Palin are not quilified to lead. How do you know Obama will be a great leader... Because of his speaking abilities or his lenthy run in the senate....
 
MrLebowski said:
Well, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I agree McCain is a great man, a patriot and a hero. That alone does not make someone a good leader. He has simply not demonstrated the level of intellectual aptitude to satisfy what I believe is necessary for a man in such a grueling position.

As for Sarah, yes, she's a great mother. There are millions of great loving mothers who raise their kids well. Does that automatically make them qualified to lead? No. When someone gets up on stage and tells me she's just like every suburban mom across America and infers that this alone makes her qualified to run the most powerful nation on earth, nausea and terror overcome me.
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what about palin? can she lead this country if something bad happens to mccain? think about it!
 
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bustedgrill said:
How do you know Obama will be a great leader... ?
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I honestly don't, nor does anyone else, really. I simply made an educated decision based on the man's demeanor, intellect, absence of self-interests, and likelihood of contributing to a sustainable nation.

Regardless, he's what we have now, so we might as well all get behind him and contribute as medical professionals.

To those worried about money, PM me and I'll send you a laundry list of better ways to get rich than through dentistry.
 
MrLebowski said:
What does this have to do with the original post?

Go ahead and PM me if you want to debate this issue, but the mainstream pretty much let you know where we stand on this issue; look at the initiative results from CO, CA, and indirectly, the gains for Democrats in both chambers.

To those who put faith in the intellect of our president-elect to trump partisan paranoia, bravo.

A briliant, highly educated man will lead the nation. A man who BARELY graduated college and a woman who glorifies airheaded "non-elitism" and ignorance thankfully will not.


Have we not learned the importance of an educated leader from the last guy in charge?
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No need to PM. No debate necessary. You are right about TWO things. I went back and read the original thread and I was off topic..my fault...it's just one of the topics I automatically think about. Just wasn't relevant here. Yes it would appear that mainstream majority who voted believes in the right to murder the unborn. Sad. 🙁My prayers are for yall. Still love'em though. Peace
 
MrLebowski said:
Haisha-san, there's more to life than money.
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I agree, and I give lots of my money to charities. I just can't help to think that most of my taxes are going to build a bridge to nowhere. I don't like the government taking more of my money, they are an extremely ineffecient money spending machine. I can get more for my buck than they can with it.
 
MrLebowski said:
Haisha-san, there's more to life than money.
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oh the idealogical pre-dent. save it for the interview. When you start paying on a mortgage, cars, feeding and clothing your children, repaying d school loans, one day finding yourself in a higher tax bracket, wanting to get something nice for your spouses birthday, taking a vacation, sending your kids to college, retiring and not being a burden on society...oh wait?!!! Money is a part of every single aspect of life!
 
carbide said:
oh the idealogical pre-dent. save it for the interview. When you start paying on a mortgage, cars, feeding and clothing your children, repaying d school loans, one day finding yourself in a higher tax bracket, wanting to get something nice for your spouses birthday, taking a vacation, sending your kids to college, retiring and not being a burden on society...oh wait?!!! Money is a part of every single aspect of life!
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I wouldn't want you to be my dentist. I wouldn't appreciate being seen as a walking dollar sign.

"I told you, I just want dentures! Why are you pushing me to get implants!?"
 
somethinpositiv said:
I wouldn't want you to be my dentist. I wouldn't appreciate being seen as a walking dollar sign.

"I told you, I just want dentures! Why are you pushing me to get implants!?"
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My post in no way indicated that I would push inappropriate procedures on patients that did not need them. Not only does this go against my morals, but in my opinion but not part of good business practice. What's good for your patients will coincide for what is good for your production numbers. You treat your patients right and the money will follow if you have a good business sense. We run small businesses here that provide dental care for customers who want dental care. Patient retention is far more profitable than taking them to the bank a single time.

My post was to get people thinking about how money is more integral to life than we think. It was to catch attention and to foster objective thinking.
 
needa20 said:
do you have personal experiance with universal healthcare?

I do. i lived in a country with universal healthcare. I can tell you from a patient standpoint it is horrible. Yes, if you have a cold or flu its great, but if you have a serious problem, your screwed. Personally, When i moved back to the US, I had to have 2 surgeries to correct what the universal health care missed. 2 surgeries that could have been avoided if universal healthcare did not suck.

and that is just from the patient standpoint.

from The professional standpoint, socialized healthcare sucks too. I have lived in it, seen it, and experianced it....
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Ok so.

Who said anything about Obama suddenly turning the current healthcare system into a totally universal one........in 4yrs mind you??? I understand where you are coming from, but to say what you're saying about what will happen is a little exaggeration.....don't you think? If anything, he will have government work with insurance companies to lower rates so small business owners (ie: private practice owners) don't have to pay through their teeth to provide health coverage for employees.......and citizens regardless of race or geographic location will have more coverage for less cost.......if anything, patients won't feel strapped to come in for dental work, or worry about insurance only covering a fraction of treatment. So I think we'll be fine when we are finally ready to practice.👍
 
carbide said:
My post in no way indicated that I would push inappropriate procedures on patients that did not need them. Not only does this go against my morals, but in my opinion but not part of good business practice. What's good for your patients will coincide for what is good for your production numbers. You treat your patients right and the money will follow if you have a good business sense. We run small businesses here that provide dental care for customers who want dental care. Patient retention is far more profitable than taking them to the bank a single time.

My post was to get people thinking about how money is more integral to life than we think. It was to catch attention and to foster objective thinking.
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agreed. nicely stated.
 
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You guys fail to realize that "universal health care" is not an catch-all phrase. It doesn't necessarily mean a totally government-controlled system like Canada and the UK.

Look at the systems in place in Japan and Switzerland. Dentists are still very highly paid privately-practicing professionals, administrative costs are minuscule, the tax burden is relatively small, and everyone is covered.

If you don't understand how this can work, stop listening to conservative pundits and read a book. Or watch an objective documentary (not "Sicko"), such as "Sick Around the World". Netflix it.

I apologize for this digression, but I hate it when people try to justify our system. If you like free market business so much, start a business. Health care should be about health care, not capitalism. If you want to write me off as an idealist, go ahead. I understand that a lot of people in this community think it's idealism to want a non-dysfunctional system, but it's already happening in many places, and they're still getting paid. Don't talk to me about Canada or the UK, because I agree they are quite flawed in their approach.
 
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DRHOYA said:
Ok so.

Who said anything about Obama suddenly turning the current healthcare system into a totally universal one.
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Obama did. (However he understands that this is reality and now he will just lower health care costs.)

I do agree with you.👍 I do not think it is realistic that Obama can implement universal health care.. For one- as you said- it is not possible to do this in only four years and secondly we cannot afford it. Despite of the love and worship of him-remember- Obama is just a poliction. A lot of pillow talk! I think within two years people will come around and understand this and see that the "change we can believe in" is nothing more than higher taxes.
 
somethinpositiv said:
I'll be a general dentist making on average ~$185,000. Under $200,000? Sweet. Hooray for Obama!

What? You're specializing? Oh. Sorry for your loss.
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Kinda what I was thinking. LOL. I support Obama all the way!
 
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Ahhhhh... Obama-mania at its finest :laugh: I worked for the Dental Association in my state and noticed that every single dentist that held a position in the Dental Association was a Republican. It would be interesting to poll all these pre-dents once (if) they become dentists and see if their minds change a little bit. Reality can be harsh sometimes, but I am glad Obama gives you warm fuzzy feelings for now.

I feel like there is no sense in arguing what he is going to do. You might as well sit back, relax and either be disappointed or laugh and say "I told you so" when the time comes.
 
BadgerLoveSmile said:
You might as well sit back, relax and either be disappointed or laugh and say "I told you so" when the time comes.
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This is so hilariously ironic coming from a Republican after the past 7.75 years, I can hardly contain myself.
 
H_Caulfield said:
Sure, he loves you. I think Obama wants to help all those who can't quite succeed without handouts from the government. Maybe he'll hand you one of those MED school admissions you've clearly given up on if you're in this forum.
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lol, seriously? I'm pretty sure I could get into med school if i wanted... I CHOSE dentistry because it fits me, and I CHOSE to vote for obama this election because I believe in his ability to heal. (no pun intended)

Also, Lol, don't project your inadequacies on to me... just cuz you're sorry ***** couldn't get into med school and chose dentistry as a "back up" ......and are bitter that future students have a chance to hope, UNLIKE YOU, doesn't mean you need to hate. :laugh:yeah, goood luck at life. You are one bitter person.
 
MrLebowski said:
You guys fail to realize that "universal health care" is not an catch-all phrase. It doesn't necessarily mean a totally government-controlled system like Canada and the UK.

Look at the systems in place in Japan and Switzerland. Dentists are still very highly paid privately-practicing professionals, administrative costs are minuscule, the tax burden is relatively small, and everyone is covered.

If you don't understand how this can work, stop listening to conservative pundits and read a book. Or watch an objective documentary (not "Sicko"), such as "Sick Around the World". Netflix it.

I apologize for this digression, but I hate it when people try to justify our system. If you like free market business so much, start a business. Health care should be about health care, not capitalism. If you want to write me off as an idealist, go ahead. I understand that a lot of people in this community think it's idealism to want a non-dysfunctional system, but it's already happening in many places, and they're still getting paid. Don't talk to me about Canada or the UK, because I agree they are quite flawed in their approach.
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Damn skippy!
 
The 250k, I mean 200k okay 150k (as Biden stated a week ago) tax break is slowly declining... Ahh the consitancy of their words.
 
Doh Boy Fresh said:
lol, seriously? I'm pretty sure I could get into med school if i wanted... I CHOSE dentistry because it fits me, and I CHOSE to vote for obama this election because I believe in his ability to heal. (no pun intended)

Also, Lol, don't project your inadequacies on to me... just cuz you're sorry ***** couldn't get into med school and chose dentistry as a "back up" ......and are bitter that future students have a chance to hope, UNLIKE YOU, doesn't mean you need to hate. :laugh:yeah, goood luck at life. You are one bitter person.
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Didn't look carefully enough at what's under my avatar, guy. I'm a 3rd-year med student at a top 30 school. You're somewhat right about me being bitter, but only about this country's movement toward euro-socialism.
 
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H_Caulfield said:
Didn't look carefully enough at what's under my avatar, guy. I'm a 3rd-year med student at a top 30 [Correction: Thirtieth] school. You're somewhat right about me being bitter, but only about this country's movement toward euro-socialism.
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And I would like everyone to know that I'm going to a Top 50 Dental School. I know, I know, I'm awesome.
 
"And I would like everyone to know that I'm going to a Top 50 Dental School. I know, I know, I'm awesome. "

damn, dude im impressed :laugh: you MUST be a GENIUS! dang.
 
H_Caulfield said:
Didn't look carefully enough at what's under my avatar, guy. I'm a 3rd-year med student at a top 30 school. You're somewhat right about me being bitter, but only about this country's movement toward euro-socialism.
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LOL, again, pathetic because u are a 3rd year med student perusing through a pre-dental forum cuz u are sitting there WISHING you chose dentistry instead.... it's okay, maybe like 4 years from now when i graduate d school and you FINALLY finish residency you'll figure out who made the better decision.

At least you have another 3-4 years of med school during which you can keep perusing this forum to see how bad your life sucks.... at the end of your 3 MORE years, we'll be on even keel cuz i'll graduate with you into the workforce.

Good luck at life and med school :luck::laugh:😍
 
DMDreaming said:
Last I knew the Democrats had the majority in the legislature. For a law to take effect, it must first be recommended by both houses of the legislature before the president even has a chance to sign it. You imply the bailout is solely a Republican plot but that isn't correct.


Interesting you should pick examples of fallen societies. Think it really worked for them?
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We are still a few centuries away from matching the longevity of this fallen society and apparently our founding fathers seemed to think highly enough of their successes as to build our nation on their principles.
 
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