yep, im doomed...

[erbs8908]

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Just took my DATs, needed to be in the 20's to make up my low gpa. Let me know what you all think:

Here are my stats:
Cum gpa: 2.7
Sci gpa: 2.8
non-sci gpa: 2.7
BCP gpa: 3.7

DAT:
AA 18 63.9%
PA 19 78.6%
QR 17 65.6%
RC 16 14.8% (what the hell!! I thought 16 was average!!!!)
Bio 18 69.0%
GC 17 54.0%
OC 20 80.4%
TS 18 68.0%

Im debating if I should take my DATs again in December. I suppose it couldnt hurt (other than my wallet, $165.00!). Do schools even care about non-cum gpa? I heard that most schools look at the cum gpa to make first cuts and dont bother to look at anything else. That sucks because my personal statement rocks!

I currently work as a dental assistant part-time and do research under an orthodontist at a local university. I applied to 24 schools, desperate to get in any where!! PLEASE ADVISE!!!

 

[BeachLuvr]

Dude...chill. 😎 Your scores are average on the DAT (great OC 🙂 ) Your BCP gpa is super too...Were I you, I'd take 'em again...for your own peace of mind, and because $165 is a lot cheaper than reapplying another round. If you applied to 24 schools your bound to hear something positive from one of them. (Remember, all you need is one 🙂 ) How long before you can retake? Since you applied to 24 I'm guessing you applied to some that are more DAT happy and gpa forgiving. Don't freak...everything always works out for the best in the long haul...keep the faith, and do all that you can do ... if that means retake, then retake

Just took my DATs, needed to be in the 20's to make up my low gpa. Let me know what you all think:

Here are my stats:
Cum gpa: 2.7
Sci gpa: 2.8
non-sci gpa: 2.7
BCP gpa: 3.7

DAT:
AA 18 63.9%
PA 19 78.6%
QR 17 65.6%
RC 16 14.8% (what the hell!! I thought 16 was average!!!!)
Bio 18 69.0%
GC 17 54.0%
OC 20 80.4%
TS 18 68.0%

Im debating if I should take my DATs again in December. I suppose it couldnt hurt (other than my wallet, $165.00!). Do schools even care about non-cum gpa? I heard that most schools look at the cum gpa to make first cuts and dont bother to look at anything else. That sucks because my personal statement rocks!

I currently work as a dental assistant part-time and do research under an orthodontist at a local university. I applied to 24 schools, desperate to get in any where!! PLEASE ADVISE!!!

 

[Mo007]

I would talk to schools if I were you, and see what they think of your scores and stats.

 

[boogaking]

If your Cum and Sci was higher I'd say don't sweat it but seriously... depending on which school you want to get into... I think you're going to need a retake... and best do it ASAP... so you can get it in before this cycle is over... and you could always say that you were not feeling good the first time you took it.... but you know ..on the retake.. you need to bust 20 somethings...

 

[aphistis]

How'd you manage to get a 3.7 BCP while the rest of your grades are so much less spectacular?

 

[Veneto]

I'd retake the DAT just to show youre improving yet again. The "Remember all you need is one" advice sounds good.

 

[erbs8908]

How'd you manage to get a 3.7 BCP while the rest of your grades are so much less spectacular?

I just decided to go into dentistry last summer, so at the end of my college career I ended up taking all of my pre-req courses, in which i did well. I majored in computer science and did really bad my first 2 years of college.

 

[justletmein]

hey erbs, dont give up man. your current scores might be a long shot at some schools, but it's probably best to re-take the DAT. Tell me how everything goes. I'm in the same position as you.. except i have my DAT coming up in the next couple days. I feel ready but you never know what can happen... btw, which schools did you apply to?

goodluck bro-

 

[DDS2BE]

Don't give up, man! I know it's a pain to go back and study for DAT all over again. You have two options: you either get into a master program and rock that GPA or retake DAT and get above 21 on BCP. Do not apply this year and save your money. I think you do have solid DAT stats, but your GPA makes it difficult to be competitive among other dental applicants.

If you believe dentistry is your field to be in then you won't give up and continue doing everything you can to achieve your goal. Everything is in your hands! 👍

 

[phosphorylation]

Just took my DATs, needed to be in the 20's to make up my low gpa. Let me know what you all think:

Here are my stats:
Cum gpa: 2.7
Sci gpa: 2.8
non-sci gpa: 2.7
BCP gpa: 3.7

DAT:
AA 18 63.9%
PA 19 78.6%
QR 17 65.6%
RC 16 14.8% (what the hell!! I thought 16 was average!!!!)
Bio 18 69.0%
GC 17 54.0%
OC 20 80.4%
TS 18 68.0%

Im debating if I should take my DATs again in December. I suppose it couldnt hurt (other than my wallet, $165.00!). Do schools even care about non-cum gpa? I heard that most schools look at the cum gpa to make first cuts and dont bother to look at anything else. That sucks because my personal statement rocks!

I currently work as a dental assistant part-time and do research under an orthodontist at a local university. I applied to 24 schools, desperate to get in any where!! PLEASE ADVISE!!!

I don't know why, but I really think theres going to be atleast one school that'll give you an acceptance. Other people might diasgree; but if I were you, I would take it again, even though it just might be too late since your 3 months might be up after the december deadline the majority of them have. On the other hand, I would seriously wait. Your bound to get atleast one acceptance. And that all you need by the way; I'm sure you know that already. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[RaiderNation]

How'd you manage to get a 3.7 BCP while the rest of your grades are so much less spectacular?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe you're a Math major and have only taken a few lower-division bone head bio, chem, and physics classes...still doesn't compute.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Just took my DATs, needed to be in the 20's to make up my low gpa. Let me know what you all think:

Here are my stats:
Cum gpa: 2.7
Sci gpa: 2.8
non-sci gpa: 2.7
BCP gpa: 3.7

DAT:
AA 18 63.9%
PA 19 78.6%
QR 17 65.6%
RC 16 14.8% (what the hell!! I thought 16 was average!!!!)
Bio 18 69.0%
GC 17 54.0%
OC 20 80.4%
TS 18 68.0%

Im debating if I should take my DATs again in December. I suppose it couldnt hurt (other than my wallet, $165.00!). Do schools even care about non-cum gpa? I heard that most schools look at the cum gpa to make first cuts and dont bother to look at anything else. That sucks because my personal statement rocks!

I currently work as a dental assistant part-time and do research under an orthodontist at a local university. I applied to 24 schools, desperate to get in any where!! PLEASE ADVISE!!!

I mentioned this in another post, but at Temple this year, they are only looking and inviting people with only 3.0+ and 18+ DATs...they are interviewing half the amount of people this year...

 

[erbs8908]

I've taken Bio, chem I, with labs, and organic this past summer and got A's in all of them except Bio (got a B). I am taking physics I, Physio, with labs and organic lab this semester. Hopefully I am expecting to get straight A's this semester. The main schools I applied to are:

UIC
SIU
NYU
BU
Detroti mercy
UMich
Nova
UNLV
Marquette Univ.
Indiana Univ.
Meharry
Virginia
Pittsburgh

sorry cant really remember the rest off the top of my head. This really sucks! it was never this competitive a couple of years ago.

 

[demonicr]

I mentioned this in another post, but at Temple this year, they are only looking and inviting people with only 3.0+ and 18+ DATs...they are interviewing half the amount of people this year...

do you how many they interviewed last year versus the acceptances?

 

[demonicr]

erbs8908 :


i don't get why your percentile is much lower compared to the same DAT scores i've seen???

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

do you how many they interviewed last year versus the acceptances?

I know they interviewed 800 people out of 2300 applications, and of those 800, 1/3 got accepted....

 

[ItsGavinC]

erbs8908 :


i don't get why your percentile is much lower compared to the same DAT scores i've seen???

Percentiles are derived from test-takers who took the same test form.

 

[demonicr]

I know they interviewed 800 people out of 2300 applications, and of those 800, 1/3 got accepted....

so you are saying they will only interview 400 this year, which mean half of the students who been interviewed will be offer an acceptance?

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

so you are saying they will only interview 400 this year, which mean half of the students who been interviewed will be offer an acceptance?

It just means they are becoming more picky of who they are gonna invite....other schools such as Tufts and Columbia have always done it...which means that if you get an interview at those schools, it was basically an acceptence cause you already went through a grueling application review....but from the 400 Temple interviews, most will get accepted, solely due to the attrition rate...Temple's class is 125 people, and naturally people are gonna pcik another school other than Temple, so they still need to accept around 400 students.....

However, they believe more people will choose Temple as their #1 choice, because of a few differences.....last year, Temple had an amazing accreditation review which is valid for the next 7 years....so basically Temple's reputation is prime within the dental community and now they got proof....also, a brand new plaza was built across from the school over the summer, so the area doesnt seem as ghetto as before, which was scaring off applicants who have never seen poverty in their lives...these are my guesses. Also, with the possibility of getting instate residency, their tuition is very reasonable compared to other schools out there....

also, they told me that they are projecting 2800 applications, and so far, everyone's application is amazing, so thats why they are only looking for 3.0+ and 18 DATs, cause that is what the applicant pool is dictating these days...

 

[erbs8908]

It just means they are becoming more picky of who they are gonna invite....other schools such as Tufts and Columbia have always done it...which means that if you get an interview at those schools, it was basically an acceptence cause you already went through a grueling application review....but from the 400 Temple interviews, most will get accepted, solely due to the attrition rate...Temple's class is 125 people, and naturally people are gonna pcik another school other than Temple, so they still need to accept around 400 students.....

However, they believe more people will choose Temple as their #1 choice, because of a few differences.....last year, Temple had an amazing accreditation review which is valid for the next 7 years....so basically Temple's reputation is prime within the dental community and now they got proof....also, a brand new plaza was built across from the school over the summer, so the area doesnt seem as ghetto as before, which was scaring off applicants who have never seen poverty in their lives...these are my guesses. Also, with the possibility of getting instate residency, their tuition is very reasonable compared to other schools out there....

also, they told me that they are projecting 2800 applications, and so far, everyone's application is amazing, so thats why they are only looking for 3.0+ and 18 DATs, cause that is what the applicant pool is dictating these days...

Dammit! Im not going to considered at Temple. I think I just wasted my money 🙁 I must retake my DATs!

 

[Sprgrover]

erbs8908, I would still send out your application and see if you get any bites. I would also plan on retaking the DAT (as harsh and nasty as that prospect may be). Are you in a position where you can devote ample time for studying for the big exam? If so then I think it is very possible that you can improve those scores. Best of luck!

 

[cusp of carabelli]

I mentioned this in another post, but at Temple this year, they are only looking and inviting people with only 3.0+ and 18+ DATs...they are interviewing half the amount of people this year...

I don't think so...

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

I don't think so...

Sorry Dude, but I met with Brian last week, and asked him how applications were, and that is exactly what he told me....and he is the one that goes through all the applications...straight from the horse's mouth...you're a junior, so things have changed since you were a freshmen...

 

[cusp of carabelli]

Sorry Dude, but I met with Brian last week, and asked him how applications were, and that is exactly what he told me....and he is the one that goes through all the applications...straight from the horse's mouth...you're a junior, so things have changed since you were a freshmen...

And you're a freshman that is not on the admissions committee....I'm telling you gpa and dat's are not the only things that will get you interviews to any dental school and that goes for temple as well. I must've reviewed at least 100 applications last year from people who have interviewed at temple with sub 3.0 gpa's or with sub 18's on the dat...and I expect to see at least 100 more this year. now i'm not saying they got in but they did get interviews...so yeah...i really doubt things will change that much in 1 yr.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

And you're a freshman that is not on the admissions committee....I'm telling you gpa and dat's are not the only things that will get you interviews to any dental school and that goes for temple as well. I must've reviewed at least 100 applications last year from people who have interviewed at temple with sub 3.0 gpa's or with sub 18's on the dat...and I expect to see at least 100 more this year. now i'm not saying they got in but they did get interviews...so yeah...i really doubt things will change that much in 1 yr.

This is what Brian told me....Last year, Temple got an amazing accreditation review that lasts for 7 years....thus, the admin this year is taking admissions in a different direction because the applicant pool is so strong this year and that Temple's rep is growing....he said that he is interviewing half the amount of people and that when he goes through the 2800 applications he is expecting to receive, that he will only look at 3.0+ and 18 DATS.....he said he might interview subpart GPAs and DATs if other parts of their application are amazing such as the essay, but that those people have to shine BIG TIME during the interview to have a chance.....I understand that in my class there are people with subpar GPA and DATs and that you went through them last year...in fact, my best buddy over here had a 2.8 GPA....Brian's exact words were, "those guys in your class with those scores dont stand a chance this year".....

so understand...this year at Temple is totally different...if you dont believe me, please talk to Brian or Dr. Deem yourself....because as Class prez, Im always in the admissions office and thats how I learn the real scoop....

 

[ItsGavinC]

And you're a freshman that is not on the admissions committee.

LOL. Certainly a valid point.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

LOL. Certainly a valid point.

Hey Gavin, go blow me, why the hell did you get involved in this....

 

[pbure]

Hey Gavin, go blow me, why the hell did you get involved in this....

whats up badvibes? hehe..take it easy on gavin. he seems like a good boy..don't think he meant to stir shiat up u know..
anyways, so what you're saying is that anyone with a 3.0+ overall gpa and an 18+ academic average on the dats will prob get an interview at temple this year? does science gpa also have to be 3.0+? i wonder how many applications out of around 2500 are 3.0+ and 18+dats people..i am guessing around 1800-2000? i could be wrong of course. but i had no idea there were so many ppl trying to get into dental school with sub 3.0 gpas

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

anyways, so what you're saying is that anyone with a 3.0+ overall gpa and an 18+ academic average on the dats will prob get an interview at temple this year?

Im not saying this....The admissions director at Temple said this...

i wonder how many applications out of around 2500 are 3.0+ and 18+dats people..i am guessing around 1800-2000? i could be wrong of course. but i had no idea there were so many ppl trying to get into dental school with sub 3.0 gpas

you're from Canada, which explains your way of thinking.....you'd be suprised of how many people with sub 3.0 gpas apply to dental school...however, with applications increasing drastically every year, their chances are diminishing.......

 

[blankguy]

This is what Brian told me....Last year, Temple got an amazing accreditation review that lasts for 7 years....thus, the admin this year is taking admissions in a different direction because the applicant pool is so strong this year and that Temple's rep is growing....he said that he is interviewing half the amount of people and that when he goes through the 2800 applications he is expecting to receive, that he will only look at 3.0+ and 18 DATS.....he said he might interview subpart GPAs and DATs if other parts of their application are amazing such as the essay, but that those people have to shine BIG TIME during the interview to have a chance.....I understand that in my class there are people with subpar GPA and DATs and that you went through them last year...in fact, my best buddy over here had a 2.8 GPA....Brian's exact words were, "those guys in your class with those scores dont stand a chance this year".....

so understand...this year at Temple is totally different...if you dont believe me, please talk to Brian or Dr. Deem yourself....because as Class prez, Im always in the admissions office and thats how I learn the real scoop....

Does subpar GPA with stellar DAT score stand a chance??

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Does subpar GPA with stellar DAT score stand a chance??

As my friends Cusp and Gavin the ****** have already kindly pointed out...Im only a freshmen and not on the admissions committee, so as far as answering your question, I just dont know...I was just relaying the info I got...Ill try to score some more info for you guys the next time Im bumming around in the office...

 

[boogaking]

As the DS1 president... do you get inside scoop on the admissions process.... how tight are you with the admissions committee members??? Can you PM me if you can help in any way... but anyhow... I'll call Temple on Monday to verify this... i'll report back as I receive the news.

 

[aphistis]

Hey Gavin, go blow me, why the hell did you get involved in this....

Now THAT'S a glowing example of professionalism at its finest. Can't refute someone's comment? Tell them to perform fellatio; that'll show 'em.

 

[busupshot83]

Now THAT'S a glowing example of professionalism at its finest. Can't refute someone's comment? Tell them to perform fellatio; that'll show 'em.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

As the DS1 president... do you get inside scoop on the admissions process.... how tight are you with the admissions committee members??? Can you PM me if you can help in any way... but anyhow... I'll call Temple on Monday to verify this... i'll report back as I receive the news.

No i dont at all....it was just a simple informal conversation between me and the admissions director..nothing more....

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Now THAT'S a glowing example of professionalism at its finest. Can't refute someone's comment? Tell them to perform fellatio; that'll show 'em.

Thanks Bill...Ive always been known for my professionalism 😀

In hindsight, it was a rough comment, and the reason being was that I just woke up when I wrote it, and Im not a morning person at all....however, Gavin still shouldve kept his mouth shut...as I recall, he was a freshmen last year, and still talked like he knew everything, so who is he to comment against me??

 

[pbure]

Thanks Bill...Ive always been known for my professionalism 😀

In hindsight, it was a rough comment, and the reason being was that I just woke up when I wrote it, and Im not a morning person at all....however, Gavin still shouldve kept his mouth shut...as I recall, he was a freshmen last year, and still talked like he knew everything, so who is he to comment against me??

i knew ur pic looked familiar! its that weird brain guy from the cartoon show C.O.P.S. i loved that show when i was kid! with the big fat boss man who sounded like edward g. robinson " see here..see?? ". and the robot dog blitzer..or blitz. i forget..great show!
sorry for the completely unrelated post..but kudos on the obscure c.o.p.s reference.

 

[busupshot83]

i knew ur pic looked familiar! its that weird brain guy from the cartoon show C.O.P.S. i loved that show when i was kid! with the big fat boss man who sounded like edward g. robinson " see here..see?? ". and the robot dog blitzer..or blitz. i forget..great show!
sorry for the completely unrelated post..but kudos on the obscure c.o.p.s reference.

Man, I was wondering what that avatar was.

 

[ItsGavinC]

.however, Gavin still shouldve kept his mouth shut...as I recall, he was a freshmen last year, and still talked like he knew everything, so who is he to comment against me??

I didn't comment against you. I think the other guy has a valid point and he used some humor to show it. Heck, it would make *some* sense that an upperclassmen would know the admissions cycle a bit better than a freshman. That isn't a rip on your intellelect or anything else. Someday (sooner than you know!) you'll be a D3 or D4 and get to set freshmen students straight.

And as you recall, there weren't any other students at ASDOH when I begin, so although I was a frosh, there weren't any upperclassmen more familiar with the process than we were.

I wish we had some upperclassmen to put me in my place. Technically, that is what Aphistis and DcS are for. 😀

 

[aphistis]

I didn't comment against you. I think the other guy has a valid point and he used some humor to show it. Heck, it would make *some* sense that an upperclassmen would know the admissions cycle a bit better than a freshman. That isn't a rip on your intellelect or anything else. Someday (sooner than you know!) you'll be a D3 or D4 and get to set freshmen students straight.

And as you recall, there weren't any other students at ASDOH when I begin, so although I was a frosh, there weren't any upperclassmen more familiar with the process than we were.

I wish we had some upperclassmen to put me in my place. Technically, that is what Aphistis and DcS are for. 😀

You never know when we'll have to start slapping you old-timers around some more to keep you in line. 😀

 

[RaiderNation]

Wow, they finally put Dr.BadVibes' account on hold. The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long for it to happen. I mean, he is probably the most negative poster in here. It was only a matter of time I guess.

 

[busupshot83]

Wow, they finally put Dr.BadVibes' account on hold. The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long for it to happen. I mean, he is probably the most negative poster in here. It was only a matter of time I guess.

yO the nation man is back! I haven't seen you in a bit... MIA?

 

[ItsGavinC]

The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long for it to happen. I mean, he is probably the most negative poster in here.

Being negative, although probably not popular, is allowed. In fact, it helps us see both sides of issues (I know I'm often in need of that). What isn't allowed is violating forum rules.

Although I may not always agree with BadVibes (though I do at times), I certainly am in favor of the catalyst that he is for discussion here in the forums.

 

[erbs8908]

Just took my DATs, needed to be in the 20's to make up my low gpa. Let me know what you all think:

Here are my stats:
Cum gpa: 2.7
Sci gpa: 2.8
non-sci gpa: 2.7
BCP gpa: 3.7

DAT:
AA 18 63.9%
PA 19 78.6%
QR 17 65.6%
RC 16 14.8% (what the hell!! I thought 16 was average!!!!)
Bio 18 69.0%
GC 17 54.0%
OC 20 80.4%
TS 18 68.0%

Im debating if I should take my DATs again in December. I suppose it couldnt hurt (other than my wallet, $165.00!). Do schools even care about non-cum gpa? I heard that most schools look at the cum gpa to make first cuts and dont bother to look at anything else. That sucks because my personal statement rocks!

I currently work as a dental assistant part-time and do research under an orthodontist at a local university. I applied to 24 schools, desperate to get in any where!! PLEASE ADVISE!!!

I just recieved my adea pink form today and my stats are apparently even lower because of repeat courses:

BCP gpa: 3.79
Science: 2.60
non-sci: 2.56
Total: 2.58

any advice for the next application cycle?

 

[busupshot83]

I just recieved my adea pink form today and my stats are apparently even lower because of repeat courses:

BCP gpa: 3.79
Science: 2.60
non-sci: 2.56
Total: 2.58

any advice for the next application cycle?

Your BCP kicks major @ss! I would just take easy science classes... if you can scores all As in these courses, both your science, and overall GPA raise.

 

[lnn2]

I just recieved my adea pink form today and my stats are apparently even lower because of repeat courses:

BCP gpa: 3.79
Science: 2.60
non-sci: 2.56
Total: 2.58

any advice for the next application cycle?

Ouch! Forget about the next app cycle. If u can get in 2005 entering class then you're really lucky!

What exactly are "repeat courses"? D/F grade courses replaced by a better grade? If so then don't report D/F grade as a regular course, report it as an Pass (no grade) attempt, if your school policy allowes grade replacement.

Your DAT scores are good enough to get in. It's your overall GPA and Science
GPA that are the problem. If you can get a 20 for DAT then you might have a chance w/ a low GPA.

Long term fix: concentrate on bringing up your overall GPA to 3.0 by taking easy A courses. Retake DAT

Short term fix: enroll in Kaplan if u can afford it, study your @ss off, every single day, starting Today! and ace the DAT in Dec. fax your scores to every single school that you've applied. You might have a better chance of getting acceptance.

Good luck!

 

[erbs8908]

Ouch! Forget about the next app cycle. If u can get in 2005 entering class then you're really lucky!

What exactly are "repeat courses"? D/F grade courses replaced by a better grade? If so then don't report D/F grade as a regular course, report it as an Pass (no grade) attempt, if your school policy allowes grade replacement.

Your DAT scores are good enough to get in. It's your overall GPA and Science
GPA that are the problem. If you can get a 20 for DAT then you might have a chance w/ a low GPA.

Long term fix: concentrate on bringing up your overall GPA to 3.0 by taking easy A courses. Retake DAT

Short term fix: enroll in Kaplan if u can afford it, study your @ss off, every single day, starting Today! and ace the DAT in Dec. fax your scores to every single school that you've applied. You might have a better chance of getting acceptance.

Good luck!

are you sure I could have just put pass or fail. my school does replace the old grade. i wasnt sure because on the website is said:

R
A repeated course is one that you have taken more than once, regardless of the reason. Both the original and the repeated course(s) are included in the computation of the undergraduate grade point average. Enter "R" the second time a course is taken, and each time thereafter. Do not enter "R" for the first time you took the course.

???

 

[bigbevo34]

i don't think it matters if your school replaces lower grades. What it says on the aadsas website and what you quoted is pretty much cut and dry. It sucked for me having to put all 3 grades (D, F, and a C....ouch) that I got in a computer programming class on my application.

 

[lnn2]

are you sure I could have just put pass or fail. my school does replace the old grade. i wasnt sure because on the website is said:

R
A repeated course is one that you have taken more than once, regardless of the reason. Both the original and the repeated course(s) are included in the computation of the undergraduate grade point average. Enter "R" the second time a course is taken, and each time thereafter. Do not enter "R" for the first time you took the course.

???

Well, I'm not sure! I think this is a gray area. Not every school has grade replacement policy. Since your school doesn't use previous grade in calculating the GPA, why not do that on the AADSAS. You can put E for non-credit course? (I don't remember) It's not like that you're committing fraud. Your argument would be, damn it, my school has grade replacement policy 👍

If you had a C and retake w/ an A then it would make sense that both of them would be used in GPA. But if you had a D/F and retake w. a B then the D/F grade is replaced by a B according to your school policy. It makes sense not to used the D/F in AADSAS (like your transcript, it's reported but doesn't factor in the GPA). Well, that's my take on that. Take it w/ a grain of salt! check w/ your school officials?