Yet ANOTHER pharmacy school!

[rph3664]

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I realize a lot can happen between now and 2018, but the pharmacist shortage in that region isn't THAT profound, if indeed it exists at all. And they are kidding themselves if they think all those new grads are going to want to work in an underserved rural area.

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110140368

 

[xiphoid2010]

I love the rusted fire escapes in the background. That's so moneeeeeey!

 

[Albo]

For a minute I thought it was MSU as Michigan State University. Pheyyy that was close.

 

[rph3664]

UMKC's a good school, but we're okay here staffing-wise.

 

[PharmyC]

To be fair, there are currently 2 pharmacy schools in ALL of Missouri. Compare that to JUST the Chicago-land area that has around 5.

Now there is a school in western Missouri (UMKC), a school in eastern Missouri (STLCOP), a satelite program in Mizzou (northern-central Missouri), and this new one in southwest Missouri. Be reminded, however, that the two satelite programs at Mizzou and MSU are only 30 students each. That's not even half of a lot of full size programs.

I'd say it is VERY likely MSU students will stay in the rural area. I know very FEW people who chose to go to MSU from my high school (St. Louis) because it is such a rural school. The people that go there are the people who enjoy that environment and grew up in it.

 

[fauxden]

To be fair, there are currently 2 pharmacy schools in ALL of Missouri. Compare that to JUST the Chicago-land area that has around 5.

Now there is a school in western Missouri (UMKC), a school in eastern Missouri (STLCOP), a satelite program in Mizzou (northern-central Missouri), and this new one in southwest Missouri. Be reminded, however, that the two satelite programs at Mizzou and MSU are only 30 students each. That's not even half of a lot of full size programs.

I'd say it is VERY likely MSU students will stay in the rural area. I know very FEW people who chose to go to MSU from my high school (St. Louis) because it is such a rural school. The people that go there are the people who enjoy that environment and grew up in it.

who gives a crap- the point is there are too many freaking schools. it doesn't matter where they are at.

 

[lorain]

at this point i can just laugh in amazement

 

[Hello2011]

who gives a crap- the point is there are too many freaking schools. it doesn't matter where they are at.

But what about the undesereved areas? LOL No matter how saturated a profession is a new school ALWAYS mentiones the undeserved areas of their own state as a reason to open another school. And we all know people go to new schools to go work in rural west virginia.

 

[confettiflyer]

who gives a crap- the point is there are too many freaking schools. it doesn't matter where they are at.

agreed, you're gonna get overflow from competitive regions from people who figure "it's only 4 years away."

(i'm one of these people)

granted, if it's a state institution i'm sure they can institute some sort of in-state preference.

besides, 30 students in a rural area? pshh, i'm more worried about the established urban/suburban programs expanding their programs. new schools aren't the problem, existing schools swelling their programs are a bigger threat.

 

[xNeenax]

There's a new pharmacy school in Texas (Ft Worth area) that's expecting to open in 2013.

 

[Hello2011]

agreed, you're gonna get overflow from competitive regions from people who figure "it's only 4 years away."

(i'm one of these people)

granted, if it's a state institution i'm sure they can institute some sort of in-state preference.

besides, 30 students in a rural area? pshh, i'm more worried about the established urban/suburban programs expanding their programs. new schools aren't the problem, existing schools swelling their programs are a bigger threat.

I find satelitte campuses another big issue too. And since many times these are established schools, they can fly under the radar of people complaining about diploma mills plus they can reap the huge profits. Sounds like a win win to me. People should call out those schools as well. cough albany college of pharmacy vermont campus cough

 

[PharMed2016]

I find satelitte campuses another big issue too. And since many times these are established schools, they can fly under the radar of people complaining about diploma mills plus they can reap the huge profits. Sounds like a win win to me. People should call out those schools as well. cough albany college of pharmacy vermont campus cough

Go Vermont campus! Is it listed in PharmCas or is it something that you choose when you get an invite?

***I think ACPHS is a pretty good school despite what is said about it sometimes.

 

[Hello2011]

Go Vermont campus! Is it listed in PharmCas or is it something that you choose when you get an invite?

***I think ACPHS is a pretty good school despite what is said about it sometimes.

I found it a little bit alarming they lose over 10% of first years and were put on probation when the attrition rate went over 15%. I think if a school is losing that many students they need to tweak their admission standards or fix something. When that many students don't make it, I blame the school.

 

[deleted205891]

I find satelitte campuses another big issue too. And since many times these are established schools, they can fly under the radar of people complaining about diploma mills plus they can reap the huge profits. Sounds like a win win to me. People should call out those schools as well. cough albany college of pharmacy vermont campus cough

I don't like these school names that confuse employers where the school is located. At least this one's not as bad as the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine School of Pharmacy in Georgia. That name confuses both location and what the heck you're trying to do with your life.

 

[PharMed2016]

I found it a little bit alarming they lose over 10% of first years and were put on probation when the attrition rate went over 15%. I think if a school is losing that many students they need to tweak their admission standards or fix something. When that many students don't make it, I blame the school.

When you say first years... do you mean the first year preprofessional being that ACPHS is 0-6?

Just food for thought... there are more pharmacy schools opening every year which means the more dilution of talent. Individuals that wouldn't have made it into pharmacy a couple of years back are doing so. Schools account for this and take in more so that they can make money.

A cynical but true perspective I think.

 

[JenAthay]

Just want to point out a few inaccuracies.

1. This is not a new school, but a new satellite campus for UMKC in a rural area.
2. The remarks about Albany COP are not correct as they refer to when Albany was a 0-6 program. It is now a 2-4 program http://www.aacp.org/resources/student/pharmacyforyou/admissions/Documents/Table 1.pdf
3. If you really want to understand the demand or lack of demand for pharmacists, please visit http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/

 

[Lubeckd]

Just want to point out a few inaccuracies.

1. This is not a new school, but a new satellite campus for UMKC in a rural area.
2. The remarks about Albany COP are not correct as they refer to when Albany was a 0-6 program. It is now a 2-4 program http://www.aacp.org/resources/student/pharmacyforyou/admissions/Documents/Table 1.pdf
3. If you really want to understand the demand or lack of demand for pharmacists, please visit http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/

Yeah my health care book shows aggregates, it said the manpower was 3.76 to 3.97, lord and behold I see 3.37 on that website.

 

[PharMed2016]

2. The remarks about Albany COP are not correct as they refer to when Albany was a 0-6 program. It is now a 2-4 program http://www.aacp.org/resources/student/pharmacyforyou/admissions/Documents/Table%201.pdf

Despite what the resources say - I still think it is essentially a 0-6 program. The majority of students still come from their preprofessional prepharm program. This is what I understand from talking to my friends that are currently at ACPHS. I was told that the new designation of 2-4 is to be more inline with AACP. Regardless of the above, ACPHS does have a history of producing excellent pharmacist. It'll be important when the balance of supply and demand is finally tipped to that of a definitive surplus.



My question for you Jen would be whether there are currently any measures in the works to address this issue of supply and demand (new schools opening) from the AACP without violating antitrust laws? I think that it is very important for the profession to ensure that there are qualified individuals entering and practicing. Perhaps increasing the score required to pass the NAPLEX?