I really didn't wanna post, but the things one person have said really bothered me. I want to say that I mostly agree with all of what "Zac Nephron" had to say. They sound like one of my classmates I would get along with well. I can truly say that as about-to-graduate MS4's looking back, life is good and school was fine. The qualms I have with this school are minor. Medical school is challenging, but entirely doable with discipline, time management, and a good attitude.
Pre-clinical years allowed me to maintain my hobbies, learn a ton of medicine, and have a good time doing it. I learned so much about myself, my physical and mental health, and met so many incredible people along the way. MS3 was home to some of my life's coolest experiences. I wouldn't want to repeat medical school, but that's how some of life's best experiences are. The best thing I never want to do again.
Now to respond to some points I took issue with:
We have some form of a mandatory class every day monday - friday. They are rarely (boarding on never) helpful. There is a plethora of “busy” work, which wont help prepare you for exams.
2 hours of mandatory PBL/TBL ~4 days a week and 1 single 8 hour day. It really can't get much less strenuous than this, so I don't really know how to expound. I found our mandatory schedule requirements very, very reasonable and had plenty of time to study outside of them, even counting the "busy" work of preparing a simple presentation for PBL. I disagree that they were "rarely (boarding on never) helpful". PBL is preparing you to discuss cases and work through differentials which will pay off MS3 and beyond. PBL is also much more fun and useful if the entire team is engaged. It's exhausting when members of the team are disengaged with bad attitudes (hopefully not you).
Most students, unless you’re a genius, have to give up almost all of their hobbies because any time you have not being wasted by the school will need to go towards actually studying. (Just to be clear I understand we’re in med school, but you’ll realize how quickly being forced to be in dumb classes gets irritating when all you want to do is study for your upcoming exam)
I and most of my friends maintained most of our hobbies. I regularly spent ~5 hours a week on my main hobby, worked out 2-4 times a week, and played plenty of video games M1 and M2 year. Again, "forced to be in dumb classes", is relative. It's medical school, there will be some required classes, and we don't have a ton. You have a relatively large amount of free time.
There are tons and tons of mandatory feedback forms you must fail out, but they never act on it… so that’s fun.
These forms are annoying of course, but realistically they take at most a few minutes of your time every couple months or so. I can't speak to if they "act on it". The ones that go to your peers can actually be read by your peers, and I personally have gotten good advice about group communication from a classmate through these forms, so they're not entirely useless. It's also such a small thing to complain about.
Lastly if you ultimately fail a course or get in trouble, you’ll be sent to SPAC.
Where you’ll basically have to kiss ass to about 15 people, while they grill you on how their useless lectures or classes didn’t prepare you enough. Then write an essay begging to not be kicked out, which they’ll mull over for a couple days before letting you know.
Uh...yeah, that's the point? Don't fail a course or get in trouble if you don't want to go to SPAC. If you fail a course, you need to explain what happened and how you're going to fix it.
I personally wish I would have picked a different school.
This however isn’t to scare any of you away, just know what to expect and really really make sure this is the place you want to be at.
Just a contrary viewpoint, I'm so glad I picked this school and ended up matching at my #1 residency choice at a fantastic program (like a huge portion of my classmates).
I would take OP’s comment with a huge grain of salt. They may be suffering from nostalgia and painting a rosier picture than what was the reality.
For starters the charter class got a lot of love from faculty because they are the first class and to make up for what was a lot of BS.
As far as "got a lot of love", really not sure what you mean. Our struggles and triumphs were the same as any other medical school class. We still went through BS to make the curriculum better for all classes under us. Having talked to many underclassmen, the majority have been satisfied and M1/M2 specifically sounds a bit better.
However they’ve continued to add more dumb **** year after year that you will find to be a waste of time.
For example, the current M1s were randomly assigned doctors at random locations to go shadow multiple times, with no regard for what their specialty interests were or how far it is from the campus. (Some students are having to drive all the way to boca for a specialty they have 0 interest in). We already shadowed to get into medical school, why are they making them do more? Is rotations not enough?
If they're honestly having to drive far away to a specialty they have 0 interest in, that kinda sucks, but I wonder if that's the whole story? We were assigned Primary Care preceptors M1/M2 year and would actually start to see patients in the office for ~4 hours/week under their supervision. I wasn't interested in Family Medicine, but I still got a lot out of the experience.
There was also some like cooking assignment? Where they had to get in assigned groups and film themselves cooking to “learn” about nutrition. Idk that just seemed dumb af.
This was a MS4 online Nutrition elective, where one of the few assignments was filming a few recipes. I'm confused how you know about this, why you care about this, or why you chose to write about such an obscure thing as a qualm lol
The faculty has also been cracking down on people having their phones out and doing anki during the mandatory classes, like what is this middle school? just about everyone does anki during the mandatory classes to mitigate how much of our time gets wasted.
Don't have your phone out during the 2 hours of mandatory classes, boo-hoo. You'll have time to crush spacebar sometime during the other 22 hours in the day.
A lot of mandatory things aren’t even related to the block your in, it’ll be some journal club or wellness event, without fail another 2 hours of your life gone.
These are so infrequent it's a moot point.
OP forgot to mention the beauty of RIA week, it’s a week at the end of each block where they waste your full day for a week doing more “wellness” activities, instead of… idk letting you have a week off to actually decompress? Maybe go see your family?
Aside from the exams during these periods, these weeks were actually welcome by me because it was like a transition point to the next block. We also got plenty of vacation time in my opinion, that I didn't find myself wanting more during RIA (essentially testing) weeks of all weeks.
While i wouldn't say the DO program doesn’t have it’s own short comings, i would pick them if you’re not interested in any competitive specialties, you'll be happier over there. otherwise simply for the MD having better match i would say go to the MD. Like the other person said, it’s a no brainer versus any other MD program though.
You think the DO students are just all butterflies and rainbows? When I've talked to my friends in the DO program, they're shocked at the amount of free time we had/have, as well as the 1.5 year pre-clinical curriculum. I don't think you understand how well we have it.
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1/3 kids got ortho who wanted it…
C’s make you average, getting only B’s didnt get us into med school and those are above average.
Yikes. Not only are you uninformed, your priorities are incredibly cringe. Get off SDN and lift some weights.
If any current or future students have questions about NSU MD and want my perspective looking back, feel free to ask/DM me. It was a fun ride and I'm glad to be at the station now. Peace, love, and harmony everyone.
shoutout Dr. Vassal