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I like taking call because it is more unpredictable and there are some occasional interesting cases that I wouldn't normally do on a typical 7-5 day.i like emergency cases.
I like taking call because it is more unpredictable and there are some occasional interesting cases that I wouldn't normally do on a typical 7-5 day.i like emergency cases.
The worst jobs are the ones that expect you to supervise 4 rooms during the day and then sit you’re own cases after hours. Eff that.
I don’t think most here are complaining DIRECTLY about the art/practice of anesthesia.Seems to me , some people just don’t like being anesthesiologist. Hell it’s not glamorous but you gotta enjoy it somewhat , otherwise you are not gonna last 25 months let’s alone years
you can say that literally for any speciality outside of those who run their own practice .. SOLO and I bet those guys work harder than 95% of physicians. The trade off for dancing when you want to is money, location or both.I don’t think most here are complaining DIRECTLY about the art/practice of anesthesia.
It’s kinda like dancing. It’s fun to do when you WANT to....
NOT so fun, when, like the old western movies, someone is shooting a gun at your feet (at 3 am, on a weekend/holiday), and shouting “Dance!!! Now!!!”.
Yes, call is part of the “deal” of some specialties, like ours. However, call for “medical emergencies” is different from call for “surgeon social life/scheduling emergencies” or “hospital throughput issues”.
The “corporatizion” of our hospitals, and anesthesia groups, has made this much worse, in my opinion.
Dance, pardner!!!!
lol. 4 rooms is a drag for sure. My guess is that the practices that sit cases after hours are the ones that employ the anesthetists though.The worst jobs are the ones that expect you to supervise 4 rooms during the day and then sit you’re own cases after hours. Eff that.
lol. 4 rooms is a drag for sure. My guess is that the practices that sit cases after hours are the ones that employ the anesthetists though.
Yes. The practice I'm familiar with employed the CRNAs. They made great money but worked hard. Then they sold to an AMC. The AMC kept the same practice model but cut salaries by $200k. The old guys retired and for some reason the AMC wasn't able to recruit replacements. Imagine that. I did some Locums work for them. Made good money but it was pretty exhausting. Run around all day and when things start slowing down have to relieve the CRNAs. Truly the worst of both worlds.
$600ishI wonder how much they made preamc
Small potatoes to sell out.$600ish
Because I’m super rich and don’t need moneyWhy do they think you are super rich and don’t need money?
I’m in a practice like that right now. And we aren’t getting “solid PP bucks”.They better pay some solid PP bucks for a job like that. yuuck
I’m in a practice like that right now. And we aren’t getting “solid PP bucks”.
Yes, this is very true. Makes me angry. But, finding *good* jobs in our field ain’t easy.Someone is getting a lot of solid pp bucks off your back
Right!!. That is because many ****s in this field's attitude is " At least I have a job". You can't win with that attitude.Yes, this is very true. Makes me angry. But, finding *good* jobs in our field ain’t easy.
Right!!. That is because many ****s in this field's attitude is " At least I have a job". You can't win with that attitude.
How do they know how much you make and how you spend in order to make that judgement is what I meant.Because I’m super rich and don’t need money
People assume everyone is the same as they are with regards to finances. They make a hefty ransom every year, spend most, and assume everyone else would too. They don’t understand how you could live without a plane, boat, 3 houses etc.
They do not want you to have pride in medicine anymore. They dont want you to have pride in ANYTHING. When that happens then they can have control...........................I can feel there’s really no “pride” in medicine anymore. I
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They do not want you to have pride in medicine anymore. They dont want you to have pride in ANYTHING. When that happens then they can have control.
If you have pride, you cannot allow what is happening to happen.
Does that remind of you of anything or anyplace in particular?“They” want cogs that take orders, accept crappy working conditions, and never speak up.
They being who? Medicare? Midlevels? Ourselves? I’d say all of the above but I agree.
“They” want cogs that take orders, accept crappy working conditions, and never speak up.
My partners all know my income. They tease me about needing time off, since I’m apparently a wuss. It is good natured. The surgeons probably have no idea since I don’t talk about it.How do they know how much you make and how you spend in order to make that judgement is what I meant.
Is it common knowledge? You may have a family member that you take care of that people don’t know. Other responsibilities that take up your money and not just houses and boats. Just because one isn’t overt with their spending doesn’t mean they don’t spend.
Anyway. I don’t know if you were being sarcastic with that line.
All of the above. That’s why we are al fu(king “providers” now. Provide what?! A service? Healthcare?
Saaaaddddd
It’s confusing when they say provider but then I realize that’s how they like it
You don’t know who they’re referring to all you know is that they don’t like you
The Heavyweight champion!. Call me Champ for short.“What do you like to be called?”
Well, I certainly don’t view myself as a “****”. And I certainly have a lot of pride in my specialty. The fact is I can have all the pride that I want, but if the culture of a place is such that administration has set the precedent that you are just a service provider who is there to say yes to everything, then there’s nothing you can do about it.Right!!. That is because many ****s in this field's attitude is " At least I have a job". You can't win with that attitude.
Now I don't want anyone to misconstrue my posts above about FIRE. My point is that for those of us wanting to maintain our lifestyle at around $300K per year (yes, I can live on less) the minimum number is $11.7 Million. If you factor in inflation and devaluation of the US Dollar that number could be as high as 17.7 Million.
Now, I don't think I will achieve 17.7 million before my retirement but I wouldn't want to retire early (before age 60 for example) without a significant nest egg. That nest egg needs to be even bigger if you won't be working from age 55-65 as you will withdrawing funds that could be compounding growth over that decade. Thus, unless you want to live a simple lifestyle, which is just fine, and reduce your spending to around a 2% withdrawal rate due to your early retirement I suggest you keep working at least part time.
Let's say Southpaw wants to retire at age 55. He needs a net income of $250K after taxes to travel, play golf, enjoy life etc. That $250K is only 60% of what he was earning prior to FIRE but he is okay with it. How much will Southpaw need in gross income to net $250K per year? Remember, Southpaw doesnt'have access to his 401K/IRA at age 55. He also needs to pay for healthcare. So, in order to net $250K he needs a gross income around $300-$305K. That money must come from his nest egg and if he withdraws at a rate of 4% per year then Southpaw could run out of money by age 80. Instead, southpaw "sucks it up" and works 1/2 time from age 55-65 which completely solves the issue of running out of money. Now he can withdraw at 2% or less annually due to his 1/2 time FTE income without worrying about depleting his nest egg.So I couldn't imagine how someone could spend 300k a year but then I found out that it's very easy. Take a bunch of trips first class to high cost areas and money just evaporates.
Your idea of real money is someone’s else’s idea of stupid money.As long as the income remains solid, and that means over $350K per year plus additional benefits/bonuses, the vast majority of Anesthesiologists are NOT going to retire; even in my age group the majority want to keep working at some capacity albeit less than full time. We have all spent so much time and energy to get to this point that most of us don't just walk away even after we "hit our retirement number." Sure, if you have real money (20+ million) maybe you walk away completely but for the rest of us the regular paycheck is a source of security and hedge against worst case scenarios where the dollar is worth 1/3 to 1/2 less in 10 years.
Yes, we are. Have you seen the news lately? But please do expand of what it is you mean.You guys are absolutely bananas!
Look at this chart. Your number is based on how much income you need. If you only need 150k then that number is around 6 million. 6 million with a 3 percent withdrawal rate so you can have money to pay taxes and buy health insurance leaving you $150k per year. The earlier you retire the more likely you will run out of money so the bigger cushion you needView attachment 341766
The author states this is per person. So, if you have a spouse then possibly factor in a multiplier to the net worth goal if you need more spending money. The less you spend the less money you need. People forget about healthcare and income taxes when planning for FIRE. I suggest you look into the cost of healthcare prior to cutting back on your fulltime gig. Also, factor in taxes to your "net" income during FIRE.
That’s fine. The chart I posted shows the less you spend the less you need to retire. If you can live on $80k per year (I can not) then your FIRE is clearly a reality by age 50.It’s interesting to me what people’s own definitions of rich are. My personal definition is the ability of a portfolio to safely maintain the median annual income of whatever size family you have without lifting another finger for the rest of your life.
Millions of dollars to retire? Needing 300k per yr to just live? Y'all feeding caviar to yere dog or wha?Yes, we are. Have you seen the news lately? But please do expand of what it is you mean.
80k is nearly double the average right?View attachment 341786
If all you need is $80k per year plus social security or a pension then $3 million should do it.
Most professional advisers recommend at least 60-80 percent of your pre-retirement income for the golden years. That means $400 x 0.6 is $240k. In order to actually generate a net $240 your gross income will need to be closer to $280k. If you feel $80k is enough that makes you the rare exception.80k is nearly double the average right?
$78,50080k is nearly double the average right?
Yes, it takes millions of dollars to retire if you want 60 percent of your current income level. The less you need to live on the less you need to retire.Millions of dollars to retire? Needing 300k per yr to just live? Y'all feeding caviar to yere dog or wha?
I respect your point of view. Figure out what you need to spin off each month to live comfortably then multiple by 12. The rest is easy to calculate in order to arrive at your Number. I choose to use a 2.5-3.0 withdrawal rate but you can use 3.5. The earlier you retire prior to age 65 the more conservative you should be with the withdrawal rate.I cannot live on 80k per year either. I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s necessary to have a portfolio that generates 250-300k/yr in passive income to be considered rich in my eyes.