Comp - NW vs RVU - Utah

[rntomd70]

Accepted to both Comp-NW and RVU- Utah.

Loved both campuses and felt like a good fit for both schools.

Would probably choose RVU-utah if all were even due to family close by, cheaper, and being in my home state but would I be shooting myself in the foot when the match comes?

Aiming for more competitive residencies.

Thanks

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[cy123]

I'd choose RVU-Utah for the following reasons:
- family and a support system are very important
- if you're from Utah you probably wouldn't mind practicing there in the future (which I'm sure RVU -UT would prepare you for).
- COMP NW might encourage their graduates to stay in the NW, if this isn't your intention this might be bad
- As far as competitive residencies both schools are osteopathic so you'll likely be in Primary Care
- COMP is expensive and considering tuition increases, interest rates, and loan repayment, this is very important.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

I'd choose RVU-Utah for the following reasons:
- family and a support system are very important
- if you're from Utah you probably wouldn't mind practicing there in the future (which I'm sure RVU -UT would prepare you for).
- COMP NW might encourage their graduates to stay in the NW, if this isn't your intention this might be bad
- As far as competitive residencies both schools are osteopathic so you'll likely be in Primary Care
- COMP is expensive and considering tuition increases, interest rates, and loan repayment, this is very important.

If the Utah campus follows their CO counterparts most will match into something else there than PC (http://www.rvu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Residency_MatchList_2016.pdf) I'm also from Utah, and think RVU will be quite successful in our state. Almost every doctor I shadow no matter the specialty they seem to have DO colleagues. In my opinion our state is very friendly to DO's. RVU has great matching, and I bet Utah will be no different. There a few other Utah residents on the forum that have been accepted this round. Maybe they can chime in on this issue.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

In my opinion our state is very friendly to DO's.

You need to get out more. For PC definitely, other specialties not so much.

 

[JB50]

You need to get out more. For PC definitely, other specialties not so much.

U got expertise in Utah? Plz explain

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

U got expertise in Utah? Plz explain

He is from Utah...

You need to get out more. For PC definitely, other specialties not so much.

Look man stop just stating your OPINION and acting like it's scripture... Look at IHC (random hospitals/specialties) in Provo 5/10 EM, 2/10 Neurology, 4/16 Derm, in St. George 26/200 (everything), MountainStar 20/130 (most specialties).... These numbers are for DO's.... Plus Utah has experienced greater than 45% growth in the number of DOs between 2009 and 2014 (read)..... Without even looking at data I have actual experience in seeing DO's in specialties. I don't need to get our more. You're welcome to your opinion obviously, but stop commenting on other peoples opinions by stating your opinion is fact/correct. Comment to the OP and add substance to the thread. Just don't attempt to discredit other users replies.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

He is from Utah...



Look man stop just stating your OPINION and acting like it's scripture... Look at IHC (random hospitals/specialties) in Provo 5/10 EM, 2/10 Neurology, 4/16 Derm, in St. George 26/200 (everything), MountainStar 20/130 (most specialties).... These numbers are for DO's.... Plus Utah has experienced greater than 45% growth in the number of DOs between 2009 and 2014 (read)..... Without even looking at data I have actual experience in seeing DO's in specialties. I don't need to get our more. You're welcome to your opinion obviously, but stop commenting on other peoples opinions by stating your opinion is fact/correct. Comment to the OP and add substance to the thread. Just don't attempt to discredit other users replies.

I am on a first name basis with over 40 physicians who work at that hospital. What experience do you have? Almost all of the surgical groups have said they wouldn't hire a DO. The anesthesia group has 1 and they said they wouldn't hire anymore. There are a small handful of DOs in the specialties outside of PC and EM. Cardiology? Won't hire them. Oncology? Won't hire them. I know what I'm talking about, Utah is not a DO friendly state if you are a specialist, especially if you want to work in the bigger hospitals. Most Utah DOs have their own primary care practices and nothing wrong with that, but getting hired in Utah as a specialist is an uphill battle unless you want to live in the more rural towns and places like Price.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

What experience do you have?

Once again you don't get it! You're doing some pissing contest! "On a first name basis with blah blah blah" HAHAH! Are you listening to yourself! This is a public forum! Ain't no one care about that stuff.... Unless you have a Verified "Something" on your account people shouldn't invest heavily on anything we say....

Look up IHC by specialty... They have 13 DO's that do gas out of 155 total (they also aren't in small towns... All of the main hospitals.) We can look at RVU match list at a reference to see how many students go into gas compared to the rest of the class... 9 out of 155 total. With that as a soft reference point we can assume that DO's should make up about ~6% of anesthesiologist out there.... IHC is slightly above that. Like on every previous thread where you try to bully your opinion onto someone, I will say we can agree to disagree!!!

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Once again you don't get it! You're doing some pissing contest! "On a first name basis with blah blah blah" HAHAH! Are you listening to yourself! This is a public forum! Ain't no one care about that stuff.... Unless you have a Verified "Something" on your account people shouldn't invest heavily on anything we say....

Look up IHC by specialty... They have 13 DO's that do gas out of 155 total (they also aren't in small towns... All of the main hospitals.) We can look at RVU match list at a reference to see how many students go into gas compared to the rest of the class... 9 out of 155 total. With that as a soft reference point we can assume that DO's should make up about ~6% of anesthesiologist out there.... IHC is slightly above that. Like on every previous thread where you try to bully your opinion onto someone, I will say we can agree to disagree!!!

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Once again you don't get it! You're doing some pissing contest! "On a first name basis with blah blah blah" HAHAH! Are you listening to yourself! This is a public forum! Ain't no one care about that stuff.... Unless you have a Verified "Something" on your account people shouldn't invest heavily on anything we say....

What are you going on about? I am not doing some pissing contest. You made a statement that I disagreed with and so I was genuinely asking you what your experience was to lead to that opinion and then shared why I didn't agree. My information comes directly from the mouths of multiple physicians, many of whom I consider friends, and as I should seeing as I have worked with them directly for a number of years. UVH has exactly 1 DO anesthesiologist. Intermountain really only has 2 main hospitals, UVH and IMC. All of the others pale in comparison and refer anything with significant pathology to one of those two.

Also I don't really care who does or doesn't listen to me, I just say things as I see it and people can do what they want with it.

Like on every previous thread where you try to bully your opinion onto someone

Uh like what?

 

[SLC]

U got expertise in Utah? Plz explain

UofU has Intermountain blocking DO rotators entirely from IMC. UofU residencies are notoriously anti-DO. Your best shot at matching as a DO in Utah is UVRMC-Family Med, and that's not the best of programs (nice people, but leaves a lot to be desired IMO).

Will the merger change things? Perhaps someday.
Will having an in state DO school change things? Most likely.

But for now, its less friendly for DO's in Utah.

That being said, I have a job in Utah lined up for after residency. I may have RVU rotators working with me, so if you go there, prepare to be pimped mercilessly on your FM rotation

 

[JB50]

UofU has Intermountain blocking DO rotators entirely from IMC. UofU residencies are notoriously anti-DO. Your best shot at matching as a DO in Utah is UVRMC-Family Med, and that's not the best of programs (nice people, but leaves a lot to be desired IMO).

Will the merger change things? Perhaps someday.
Will having an in state DO school change things? Most likely.

But for now, its less friendly for DO's in Utah.

That being said, I have a job in Utah lined up for after residency. I may have RVU rotators working with me, so if you go there, prepare to be pimped mercilessly on your FM rotation

That's actually really good to know Thank you!

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

I was genuinely asking you what your experience was to lead to that opinion.

 

[COQueen]

@AnatomyGrey12 and @SLC are correct. Utah is very anti-DO only because the University of Utah has a tremendous monopoly on the healthcare education in the state and is blocking the Intermountain Healthcare hospitals. They will crack though because RVU has a large grant to start opening up residencies in the state and, lets be honest, money has power in Utah and they are trying to work with the IMH hospitals to do that.
That being said, CO used to be very anti-DO too but that has changed in the past few years with RVU grads getting their foot in some tough specialties at CU and other MD training hospitals in the state and can now even do certain rotations at CU as well.

 

[holdthemayo]

If the Utah campus follows their CO counterparts most will match into something else there than PC (http://www.rvu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Residency_MatchList_2016.pdf) I'm also from Utah, and think RVU will be quite successful in our state. Almost every doctor I shadow no matter the specialty they seem to have DO colleagues. In my opinion our state is very friendly to DO's. RVU has great matching, and I bet Utah will be no different. There a few other Utah residents on the forum that have been accepted this round. Maybe they can chime in on this issue.

RVU has matched very well, but to say that most won't go PC is not true.

55 of a class of 152 matched into non-primary care specialties. That's roughly 36%.

Sure RVU students aren't doomed to practice FM if they don't want and many are self selecting to primary care, but to say that most aren't going PC is flat wrong.


*Edit* On topic - OP, go wherever you felt more comfortable. I probably wouldn't choose to be the first class anywhere if given the choice, but having a support system nearby might outweigh that for you.

 

[rntomd70]

Thanks for the input all! Very helpfull

I'm not too worried about Utah being Anit DO and know that it will change in the next few years.

Just my number one question and concern is will going to RVU-Utah put me at a disadvantage rather than going to Western -NW?

Interested in the non-FP specialties so going to a school with a good match list, reputation, and board scores are important to me.

The way I see it is RVU-CO has excellent board scores and a phenomenal match list. Do you all predict that the first class of RVU-UT will be similar? Would Comp-NW give me a better shot?

More feedback would be great!

Thanks!!

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Just my number one question and concern is will going to RVU-Utah put me at a disadvantage rather than going to Western -NW?

In short, probably not. They are both branch campuses of established programs.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

You're right about the numbers.

 

[parpar2222]

I just interviewed at Comp- northwest. I hope I get in I really, really liked the school. The faculty seemed to really care about their students. And their 100 percent match rate is just unbelievable.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

And their 100 percent match rate is just unbelievable

It is unbelievable, because it is misleading and is not true. It is not a true match rate because it includes the SOAP. Being in the SOAP is not a good thing, and a lot of schools do this unfortunately.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

It is unbelievable, because it is misleading and is not true. It is not a true match rate because it includes the SOAP. Being in the SOAP is not a good thing, and a lot of schools do this unfortunately.

Do schools have to tell us how many matched through SOAP (like legally)? https://www.westernu.edu/osteopathic/osteopathic-academics/gme-accountability/ is the one with the * mean those three matched SOAP? Or do they hide the SOAP numbers by including them in other categories? Or is all this on us and asking the right questions to the right people?

 

[Stagg737]

Do schools have to tell us how many matched through SOAP (like legally)? https://www.westernu.edu/osteopathic/osteopathic-academics/gme-accountability/ is the one with the * mean those three matched SOAP? Or do they hide the SOAP numbers by including them in other categories? Or is all this on us and asking the right questions to the right people?

No, schools do not have to legally release to the public how many people matched through SOAP, and many do not. There is a difference between 100% match and 100% placement, but most schools will use them interchangeably to look better. If you really want to know, you've got to ask the right people, which is usually an upperclassman familiar with the matching class and not administration.

As for the *, it doesn't necessarily mean SOAP. Urology has its own match, so one of the asterisks is likely due to that. There are also other people that "match" that didn't go through "the" match. The bottom chart says the asterisk included people that went through the San Fran match, Canadian match, or obtained a non-match position (could mean SOAP, could mean they took a job other than residency, it's not black and white).

Personally, I think if a school has a true match rate that is high (above 95% at most schools), you'll be fine because the few that didn't match probably failed to match due to their own stupidity and not because the school prepared them inadequately.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Do schools have to tell us how many matched through SOAP (like legally)? https://www.westernu.edu/osteopathic/osteopathic-academics/gme-accountability/ is the one with the * mean those three matched SOAP? Or do they hide the SOAP numbers by including them in other categories? Or is all this on us and asking the right questions to the right people?

I know they don't have to report that legally but as to the rest of your question I don't know, I would assume most schools are different in how they report that.

Edit: just saw the post above, very informative

 

[rntomd70]

In short, probably not. They are both branch campuses of established programs.

It is Rocky Vista's first year and I know that western -nw has graduated several classes. Does anyone think that will make a significant difference is being competitive for residencies or not? being that Rocky vista UT will replicate everything that CO is doing. Just going to a brand knew school worries me.

Thanks

 

[Goro]

It's far too early to even begin to think about residency.

But be aware that it's hard enough for MDs to get into competitive residencies, it will be harder for DOs.

New schools are a challenge for graduates because they're an unknown quantity. Med schools are like feeders to residencies in the same way the UG schools are feeders to med schools.

Hence, I'd go for PacNW over RVU-UT for that reason.

Accepted to both Comp-NW and RVU- Utah.

Loved both campuses and felt like a good fit for both schools.

Would probably choose RVU-utah if all were even due to family close by, cheaper, and being in my home state but would I be shooting myself in the foot when the match comes?

Aiming for more competitive residencies.

Thanks

EDIT: concerning the comment about a 100% match rate. On this surface, this is good, because you want your grads to all have jobs. However, this doesn't tell you if those were 1st choices, 5th choice, or 20th choice. So you can't look at that in a vacuum. trying to read match list is like trying to read chicken guts.