Wanted to get anybody's thoughts on how they would've handled it.
Last week, there was a 600 lb patient undergo ECT. We were thinking of either doing it under LMA or ETT, but she was mallampati I and surprisingly easy to mask ventilate with oral airway) once she went to sleep. We used methohexital, ketamine, sux (while ramped and reversed T).
Psych performed ECT and patient desatted to 70s (which was expected). I placed oral airway back in and ventilate back up to 95% and everything was going well.
Once she started waking up, she got extremely combative, took out the oral airway, and started desaturating, then pulled out her IV and disconnected her monitors, and it was almost impossible to hold her down.
I don't even know what her saturation dropped to since the monitors were off and we were trying to place IV and monitors back on for couple minutes, while I'm trying to ventilate the patient.
Ultimately, after about 5 minutes of fighting, patient calmed down and started breathing on her own and everything was fine.
But at that moment, if I still had trouble ventilating and she remained combative, what would you guys do without IV or monitors? My only thought was to replace oral airway and hope for the best. I don't think she would've taken an LMA at that stage, and IM meds would take so long before it kicks in (she would probably go into hypoxic arrest before IM ketamine/sux kicks in). I was thinking maybe slug her with propofol or precedex if this happens next time (with IV in place). Any thoughts?
Last week, there was a 600 lb patient undergo ECT. We were thinking of either doing it under LMA or ETT, but she was mallampati I and surprisingly easy to mask ventilate with oral airway) once she went to sleep. We used methohexital, ketamine, sux (while ramped and reversed T).
Psych performed ECT and patient desatted to 70s (which was expected). I placed oral airway back in and ventilate back up to 95% and everything was going well.
Once she started waking up, she got extremely combative, took out the oral airway, and started desaturating, then pulled out her IV and disconnected her monitors, and it was almost impossible to hold her down.
I don't even know what her saturation dropped to since the monitors were off and we were trying to place IV and monitors back on for couple minutes, while I'm trying to ventilate the patient.
Ultimately, after about 5 minutes of fighting, patient calmed down and started breathing on her own and everything was fine.
But at that moment, if I still had trouble ventilating and she remained combative, what would you guys do without IV or monitors? My only thought was to replace oral airway and hope for the best. I don't think she would've taken an LMA at that stage, and IM meds would take so long before it kicks in (she would probably go into hypoxic arrest before IM ketamine/sux kicks in). I was thinking maybe slug her with propofol or precedex if this happens next time (with IV in place). Any thoughts?