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I was wondering if someone could tell me the differences between the two...if there are any differences.
Thanks,
J
Thanks,
J
Question has been asked many times before. Hopefully this will not start another of the "Why (blank) is better than (blank)" threads..UVMTrifecta said:I was wondering if someone could tell me the differences between the two...if there are any differences.
Thanks,
J
toofache32 said:Why would you get paid differently for performing the same procedure(s)?
It really isn't that unreal. I was actually wondering the same thing myself. Some people like me just don't know anything about DOs; i hadn't even heard of them before I came on SDN. But if you're critizing this person's failure to use the search function, then fine, but I think 95% of us are guilty of this.atrovariousg said:unreal
Hey toofache32, how come there are no DO oral surgery programs?toofache32 said:Why would you get paid differently for performing the same procedure(s)?
UVMTrifecta said:I was wondering if someone could tell me the differences between the two...if there are any differences.
Thanks,
J
Shinken said:It really depends on geographic area and specialty, but on average in urban areas, DOs in primary care make about $50,000 less a year than MDs. In most specialties, including surgical and medical specialties (nephro, cardio, etc.) DOs make about $120,000 less a year than MDs.
As far as how can someone be reimbursed differently for the same procedures, insurance companies require the osteopathic "9e7" prefix for all coded procedures, which means that all DOs that perform any procedures have to code them as 9e7-XXXXX to alert insurance companies that a DO performed the procedure so they can lower the reimbursement accordingly.
SuperTrooper said:Hey toofache32, how come there are no DO oral surgery programs?
Shinken said:It really depends on geographic area and specialty, but on average in urban areas, DOs in primary care make about $50,000 less a year than MDs. In most specialties, including surgical and medical specialties (nephro, cardio, etc.) DOs make about $120,000 less a year than MDs.
As far as how can someone be reimbursed differently for the same procedures, insurance companies require the osteopathic "9e7" prefix for all coded procedures, which means that all DOs that perform any procedures have to code them as 9e7-XXXXX to alert insurance companies that a DO performed the procedure so they can lower the reimbursement accordingly.
And there are no OMFS programs affiliated with any DO schools for whatever reason.goinverted said:If you do your research you can only do maxillofacial surgery (oral surgery) by first attending a dental school. So whether MD or DO you are out of luck.
Yeah, I'm in dental school so I know this. Half of all oral surgery programs involve these dentists receiving an MD.goinverted said:If you do your research you can only do maxillofacial surgery (oral surgery) by first attending a dental school. So whether MD or DO you are out of luck.
toofache32 said:And there are no OMFS programs affiliated with any DO schools for whatever reason.
toofache32 said:And there are no OMFS programs affiliated with any DO schools for whatever reason.
Anyhow, what i was trying to get at is that this is sort of a stupid comment. Where I'm from both doctors and nurses can give vaccine shots. However, I almost always get the shot from the doctor because they get paid more for that procedure than a nurse would. Why do they get paid more? Liability, potential complications, i dunno. I'm not trying to compare nurses to DOs, but people who don't know anything about DOs (like me a few weeks ago) might think that DOs have more focus in different areas so they might not be as competent (technically, legally) in certain areas. I now know that DOs know everything MDs do. Anyhow, I feel bad for DOs here because anytime somebody asks a question that potentially makes a DO look inferior (i.e. salary), you get DOs snapping back rudely in my eyes. Once you guys get out practicing you won't really care, and nobody else will either. Regardless, I really think that they shouldn't use the title DO: i think it should be like MD(O).toofache32 said:Why would you get paid differently for performing the same procedure(s)?
ok buddy.goinverted said:If anyone really wanted to do OMFS then they would have went to dental school, not Allopathic or Osteopathic medical
To become an oral surgeon:goinverted said:If anyone really wanted to do OMFS then they would have went to dental school, not Allopathic or Osteopathic medical
SuperTrooper said:To become an oral surgeon:
(1) Yes, you MUST first go to dental school.
(2) Then, you do oral surgery residency.
Oral surgery residencies are half 4-year programs, half 6-year programs. In the 6-year programs you do two years of critical med school rotations, and you get your MD. So, some oral surgeons have both an MD and a DDS/DMD such as toofache will. The point I was trying to make in a round-about way is that DO schools might not really focus so much on stuff like surgery (maybe I'm wrong, so please correct me). This may explain why people might have the incorrect idea that DOs make less.
SuperTrooper said:To become an oral surgeon:
(1) Yes, you MUST first go to dental school.
(2) Then, you do oral surgery residency.
Oral surgery residencies are half 4-year programs, half 6-year programs. In the 6-year programs you do two years of critical med school rotations, and you get your MD. So, some oral surgeons have both an MD and a DDS/DMD such as toofache will. The point I was trying to make in a round-about way is that DO schools might not really focus so much on more high payment stuff like surgery (maybe I'm wrong, so please correct me). This may explain why people might have the incorrect idea that DOs make less.
Yeah, but are they residents at DO medical schools, or MD medical schools?bkpa2med said:Nope. Most DO's that I know are General Surgery Residents.
SuperTrooper said:To become an oral surgeon:
(1) Yes, you MUST first go to dental school.
(2) Then, you do oral surgery residency.
Oral surgery residencies are half 4-year programs, half 6-year programs. In the 6-year programs you do two years of critical med school rotations, and you get your MD. So, some oral surgeons have both an MD and a DDS/DMD such as toofache will. The point I was trying to make in a round-about way is that DO schools might not really focus so much on more high payment stuff like surgery (maybe I'm wrong, so please correct me). This may explain why people might have the incorrect idea that DOs make less.
Yeah, but from what I understand a higher percentage of DOs go into general/family practice. Fewer DOs go into specialty residencies compared to MDs (is this correct?). I guess I was thinking of strictly the DO or MD degree. I understand that my thoughts have flaws, but I was just trying to describe how a lay-person might view things; and that this view may NOT be based on the (false) idea that DOs are somehow lesser doctors.OSUdoc08 said:A DO surgeon and an MD surgeon that work in the same practice make the exact same salary. The point you don't understand is that once you complete your residency, you are hired based upon your board certification. The degree you got in medical school is irrelevant.
It shouldn't matter what the school "focuses on" since you can complete ANY residency upon graduation.
should have went?goinverted said:If anyone really wanted to do OMFS then they would have went to dental school, not Allopathic or Osteopathic medical
SuperTrooper said:Yeah, but from what I understand a higher percentage of DOs go into general/family practice. Fewer DOs go into specialty residencies compared to MDs (is this correct?). I guess I was thinking of strictly the DO or MD degree. I understand that my thoughts have flaws, but I was just trying to describe how a lay-person might view things; and that this view may NOT be based on the (false) idea that DOs are somehow lesser doctors.
rahulazcom said:First, let me say that I agree with everyone here; I don't think there is a discrepancy in pay. I haven't personally witnessed this nor have any people I have spoken to mention anything about this.
If I had to play devil's advocate, I suppose it's possible that a prestigious and popular group MIGHT not hire a DO because they feel the DO would bring down the image of the practice if everyone is an M.D. This group would likely not hire foreign grads either. But I think this is stretching it. I believe most groups hire based on the personality of the physician and whether or not he or she will fit in with the group and be someone that patients would like to see.
toofache32 said:should have went?
OSUdoc08 said:This does happen, but it wouldn't affect the pay of a DO in a different physician group in the same specialty. (i.e. the pay would be equivalent)
rahulazcom said:That depends on how popular that other physician group is. If the other groups is not as popular then it they will be forced to seeing patients who are not as well insured (ie not as well reimbursed per patient) That can influence a physician's pay considerably.
OSUdoc08 said:What is your problem? The job you apply for is as a physician, in whatever specialty it may be. The degree is irrelevant, since you have become a board certified & licensed physician beyond that degree.
Why would you spread lies on here, when you obviously have no clue?
OSUdoc08 said:Although this may be true, there is certainly a more popular DO/MD group in another town that makes the same money or even more.
It all equalizes in the end.
rahulazcom said:Oh I agree with you. Like I said, I was just stretching and trying to play devils advocate. In reality, there are more than enough groups to join that are popular and well received. Truth be told, I think a physician's appearance probably plays a bigger role in this than many would like to believe.
Just a pet peeve. I'm kind of an old fart and I think we should at least master Engrish and speling.goinverted said:Wow, what a typical response, if there is nothing else to say, let's critique his spelling and grammar! Yay!
goinverted said:If anyone really wanted to do OMFS then they would have went to dental school, not Allopathic or Osteopathic medical
Yeah, I'm not really sure what I was trying to say in the last few posts about DOs and salary. I got off track from my initial point of just saying that somebody asking about DO salary or whatever isn't necessarily trying to bash DOs.OSUdoc08 said:What's your point?
Shinken said:I love SDN.
No matter how obviously outrageous and silly I make my posts, many people still buy them.
I thought maybe including something about a "special prefix" for coding would give it away, but again I was wrong.
By the way, *and I'm totally serious this time* I was told by several hospital directors that DOs aren't allowed to work in hospitals, only in rural clinics and only as hourly employees with no benefits.
No, seriously!
toofache32 said:should have went?
DarkWingDuck said:HILARIOUS!!!
I only read the bottom half of your post, and was trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with you. I re-read it and then......
Megboo said:I hear you toofache. If you want to be a professional, not only do you have to look the part, but sound the part when you open your mouth. Being a student is a good time to practice. Not to rip on the poster, but to just make the comment in general.
goinverted said:Just the kind of Doc we all need! More concerned about the diagnosis than the cause. Besides, what I wrote was not wrong, he just felt it should say something else.