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I've really enjoyed my first year. I had a pretty sizable amount of free time, met a lot of cool people, and did a lot of hanging around outside of studying. I mean, yeah, there's plenty of work, but it's not too bad to muddle through that and get on with things.

There are plenty of stressful moments, but as a relatively laid-back person by nature they were pretty much overwhelmed by good times I've had.

Your mileage will vary. I'm not going to tell someone with a different experience that they're broken or that they did med school wrong. Differing schools and differing personality types will lead to a wildly varying set of reactions to med school.

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Lots of people have a great time in med school. Its work, and play. The proportion of which you get on any given day, well... that varies pretty drastically by day and by individual, but for most it's a lot more work than play.

Pre-meds: do yourself a favor; make friends when you get into med school because it'll make your life a whole lot easier.
 
We'll see how much you like it after the bundle of fun that is step 1 and the bundle of arbitrariness that is m3...
 
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We'll see how much you like it after the bundle of fun that is step 1 and the bundle of arbitrariness that is m3...

The vast majority of med school grads I've met have talked about enjoying the experience. And these are people just finishing med school and starting residency soon.

Maybe they just enjoyed it ending...
 
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We'll see how much you like it after the bundle of fun that is step 1 and the bundle of arbitrariness that is m3...
:shrug: Most of the students I know that are on clinicals now still make time to have a life outside of school. Sure, it's not as much as in college or even during the pre-clinical years, and it's less on the harder rotations like surgery, but it's a matter of being efficient with your time. Realistically, I think it's better to be working your butt off in med school than to be working your butt off for, say, some faceless corporation, or worse, to be looking for a job right now.
 
Third year is both the best of times and the worst of times. Anyone who says otherwise is simply lying (like those who say it's the best year of their lives). It might be the most interesting from an educational standpoint, but it also takes the biggest toll on your life compared to any other previous year.
 
:shrug: Most of the students I know that are on clinicals now still make time to have a life outside of school. Sure, it's not as much as in college or even during the pre-clinical years, and it's less on the harder rotations like surgery, but it's a matter of being efficient with your time. Realistically, I think it's better to be working your butt off in med school than to be working your butt off for, say, some faceless corporation, or worse, to be looking for a job right now.

I don't think anyone was suggesting there is absolutely zero time for having a life. I believe it is, what you eluded to, that it is significantly less than what they could be experiencing in almost any other path and significantly less than the rest of their peers.
 
:shrug: Most of the students I know that are on clinicals now still make time to have a life outside of school. Sure, it's not as much as in college or even during the pre-clinical years, and it's less on the harder rotations like surgery, but it's a matter of being efficient with your time. Realistically, I think it's better to be working your butt off in med school than to be working your butt off for, say, some faceless corporation, or worse, to be looking for a job right now.

Idk, it just depends. I think it's definitely more intellectually stimulating. It's just has less freedom with your time in education and/or work than a good portion of jobs. I mean, I enjoy it most of the time but I also liked getting paid and being able to take an afternoon off at the beach whenever I felt like it was cool too.
 
1st year tends to be rah rah fun. A few students freak out because of work load or other things they weren't expecting, but this is transient and uncommon. But the grades don't really matter (often ungraded), you're still stoked to be there, and the workload isn't that bad yet.

2nd year is mixed. It depends a lot on school and personality.

By this point you are ~$100k in debt, spent years being a pre-med and in med school, and feel you can't leave.

3rd year is hell for most med students. The hours are brutal and the competition can be extreme.

4th year is decent for most med students and in a lot of ways it can be rewarding and interesting. Grades stop mattering and hours relax again. You get to pick which rotations you want and generally get whatever locations you want as opposed to being sent to bumble**** to stare into fat middle aged vaginas. Maybe you get what you want in the match and maybe you don't. Those who do well are happy, those who get screwed or feel like they got screwed are very unhappy.

When you talk to a med student, it just depends who you talk to and when decides what response you'll get. I do find it amazing some of the most unhappy 3rd years become chipper 4th years. Some of the most chipper 1st years become bitter 4th years. This is because we all want to be happy, and most of us will try hard to forget the pain to convince ourselves we've made the right choice. Because if you know inside you've made the wrong choice, now you have to suffer through the hell of internship. There's no backing out now. Maybe you didn't match or had to scramble into the most malignant surgical internship in the country for nobody knows what reason except you just had bad luck.

Despite what you may think from SDN, most people will not speak out about their unhappiness. It's very frowned upon in the real world. Hence why in admissions you will pretty much only meet 1st years and maybe a few chipper 4th years who are happy with their matches. I call them cheerleaders. RAH RAH RAH. If anything, I think SDN tends to reflect what senior medical students really think, as opposed to biased towards the negative. Pre-allo just wants to be really happy, as sideways pointed out, to justify the pre-med decision.

In the end you're happy because you convince yourself you're happy. Maybe you can do that in med school, maybe you can't.

Yours,
A very chipper 1st year turned very unhappy 3rd year now reasonably content 4th year. Ask me again how I feel about this whole process after match.
 
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:shrug: Most of the students I know that are on clinicals now still make time to have a life outside of school.

At my school you have no time on clinicals to have a life outside of school if you plan on getting decent grades. Either your school isn't this competitive or the students aren't trying to match into competitive residencies.
 
At my school you have no time on clinicals to have a life outside of school if you plan on getting decent grades. Either your school isn't this competitive or the students aren't trying to match into competitive residencies.

I don't think either of your statements are true although I'm sure spurs can address it. I recently hung out with a md/phd from that school that's on her phd now though and she said the clinicals besides surgery were much better than the preclinicals fwiw.

At my school it's a pretty mixed bag, ob/surgery suck, med/psych are ok. primary care and peds are chill.
 
I don't think either of your statements are true although I'm sure spurs can address it. I recently hung out with a md/phd from that school that's on her phd now though and she said the clinicals besides surgery were much better than the preclinicals fwiw.

My point is the bar to get clinical honors here is extremely high. If students have time during clerkships, either the bar there isn't as high or the students don't care to get over that bar.

Well, that or they don't sleep. But I lost a lot of sleep and still had no life outside of medical school and still was a pretty mediocre student here.
 
My point is the bar to get clinical honors here is extremely high. If students have time during clerkships, either the bar there isn't as high or the students don't care to get over that bar.

Well, that or they don't sleep. But I lost a lot of sleep and still had no life outside of medical school and still was a pretty mediocre student here.

The school in question has a 18 mo preclinical curriculum, so i think that might spread things out a bit. At our school grades range from easy to do well to very hard. I think surgery gives ~15% honors while some rotations give 50+% so it just depends.
 
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I don't think anyone was suggesting there is absolutely zero time for having a life. I believe it is, what you eluded to, that it is significantly less than what they could be experiencing in almost any other path and significantly less than the rest of their peers.


There's one thing people here are forgetting and that is...children. Most normal people graduate college, get a job and have kids, leaving them with almost 0 time to chill out with their friends and party. That "almost any other path" thing is totally untrue. The average age for a woman's first child in America is 25.

It's natural for the grass to be greener on the other side. But people who went into medical school and are miserable don't realize that the people who didn't go to medical school have no time either. Yeah, yeah, I know, you have a friend who is a billionaire and parties at the Playboy mansion every week and has a whole host of shorties doing lines of coke off his dick on friday nights. That's not the way MOST people spend their 20s. They get married. They have kids. They are in dead end jobs.

But I forgot...YOU'RE (and by this I mean a general "you", not the person I'm replying to) are smart enough to have been able to do anything, absolutely ANYTHING, so you would DEFINITELY have been successful outside of medical school...
 
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There's one thing people here are forgetting and that is...children. Most normal people graduate college, get a job and have kids, leaving them with almost 0 time to chill out with their friends and party. That "almost any other path" thing is totally untrue. The average age for a woman's first child in America is 25.

It's natural for the grass to be greener on the other side. But people who went into medical school and are miserable don't realize that the people who didn't go to medical school have no time either. Yeah, yeah, I know, you have a friend who is a billionaire and parties at the Playboy mansion every week and has a whole host of shorties doing lines of coke off his dick on friday nights. That's not the way MOST people spend their 20s. They get married. They have kids. They are in dead end jobs.

But I forgot...YOU'RE (and by this I mean a general "you", not the person I'm replying to) are smart enough to have been able to do anything, absolutely ANYTHING, so you would DEFINITELY have been successful outside of medical school...

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Love the bolded. :lol:
 
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There's one thing people here are forgetting and that is...children. Most normal people graduate college, get a job and have kids, leaving them with almost 0 time to chill out with their friends and party. That "almost any other path" thing is totally untrue. The average age for a woman's first child in America is 25.

It's natural for the grass to be greener on the other side. But people who went into medical school and are miserable don't realize that the people who didn't go to medical school have no time either. Yeah, yeah, I know, you have a friend who is a billionaire and parties at the Playboy mansion every week and has a whole host of shorties doing lines of coke off his dick on friday nights. That's not the way MOST people spend their 20s. They get married. They have kids. They are in dead end jobs.

But I forgot...YOU'RE (and by this I mean a general "you", not the person I'm replying to) are smart enough to have been able to do anything, absolutely ANYTHING, so you would DEFINITELY have been successful outside of medical school...
I can't believe you are comparing having a kid and getting married to memorizing biochemical pathways. Or maybe this post was suppose to be facetious, otherwise I think you truly misunderstand what people are looking for from their leisure time.
 
I can't believe you are comparing having a kid and getting married to memorizing biochemical pathways. Or maybe this post was suppose to be facetious, otherwise I think you truly misunderstand what people are looking for from their leisure time.

I think what he is saying is that people with kids don't have free time to go out and party, either.

I think we can all agree that kids =/= memorizing biochemical pathways.
 
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I think what he is saying is that people with kids don't have free time to go out and party, either.

I think we can all agree that kids =/= memorizing biochemical pathways.
In context he was saying people w/ kids don't have a time for a life. And that is because they have their life! Not everyone who things med school is a drag want to spend that time partying.
 
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I think what he is saying is that people with kids don't have free time to go out and party, either.

I think we can all agree that kids =/= memorizing biochemical pathways.

You pre-meds keep using the word "partying" and it becomes even more clear to me you don't realize what lies ahead of you. It's not about not having time to PARTY!

You guys seem to think that's the only aspect of your life that get's the backseat. Umm, you'd be wrong.
 
You pre-meds keep using the word "partying" and it becomes even more clear to me you don't realize what lies ahead of you. It's not about not having time to PARTY!

You guys seem to think that's the only aspect of your life that get's the backseat. Umm, you'd be wrong.

I love how you generalize that I'm using the word "party" like you think I am. :rolleyes:

I actually hate the way people on this site use the word "party" but I was simply using it to clarify morning's post.

I really hope I don't become an arrogant douche like most of you oh-so-wise first years when I start school in August.
 
I love how you generalize that I'm using the word "party" like you think I am. :rolleyes:

I actually hate the way people on this site use the word "party" but I was simply using it to clarify morning's post.

I really hope I don't become an arrogant douche like most of you oh-so-wise first years when I start school in August.

You will become an arrogant douche after your first year.
 
Apparently.

lol chill bro. i think wut he mean is that you will always have time to party at any time of your life, however, during the time of med school you are basically trading a potential higher usmle step scores and useful ECs to put on your resume for some partying. opportunity cost is of the essence.
 
lol chill bro. i think wut he mean is that you will always have time to party at any time of your life, however, during the time of med school you are basically trading a potential higher usmle step scores and useful ECs to put on your resume for some partying. opportunity cost is of the essence.

Yeah, I got that part. I never said I wanted to spend all/any free time "partying" and don't understand why, by virtue of my reply to someone else's post, I am lumped in with those that do.
 
If you have extensive work experience where this is untrue kudoos to you, sir (or madam). But I've worked at two different companies in "serious," career-style jobs, and I'd say 95% of the people in those companies spent 7+ hrs/day in front of their computers. The other time was spent in meetings or on conference calls which are equally mundane.

That's not to say there aren't jobs out their that don't involve a computer. But the perennial SDN favorites of engineering, law, and business all spend large portions of their days at a desk looking at a screen.
I agree that the perennial favorites are office and computer-based, but you could pick lots of other fields. Here's the first A-Z list I googled, and you can pick quite a few that are far from a computer.

Accountant
Actor
Actuary
Agricultural and food scientist
Architect
Artist
Automotive mechanic
Bookkeeping clerk
Carpenter
Chemist
Childcare worker
Civil engineer
Coach
Computer hardware engineer
Computer software engineer
Computer support specialist
Cost estimator
Court reporter
Dancer
Database administrator
Designer
Desktop publisher
Disc jockey
Doctor
Drafter
Economist
Electrical engineer
Electrician
Engineering technician
Environmental scientist
Farmer
Financial analyst
Firefighter
Human resources assistant
Judge
Landscape architect
Lawyer
Librarian
Loan officer
Musician
Nurse
Paralegal
Pharmacist
Photographer
Physicist
Pilot
Police officer
Politician
Professional athlete
Psychologist
Real estate agent
Recreation and fitness worker
Recreational therapist
Reporter
Secretary
Social worker
Statistician
Surveyor
Systems analyst
Teacher
Urban planner
Veterinarian
Webmaster
Writer
Zookeeper

As for not working all the time, I'm not sure how much guiltily reading SDN while looking over your shoulder for your boss really makes the day that much awesomer. Besides, I see plenty of med students who are on this site, so it's not like you don't get a chance to goof off on the Interwebs from time to time, too.
You see plenty of med students, but how many residents and attendings do you see? ;)

Med students often study in front of their laptops and are easily distracted. I didn't study with a laptop because of that, but I still wandered to the computer lab to browse SDN. Residents and attendings are actually working all day.
 
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There's one thing people here are forgetting and that is...children. Most normal people graduate college, get a job and have kids, leaving them with almost 0 time to chill out with their friends and party. That "almost any other path" thing is totally untrue. The average age for a woman's first child in America is 25.
What's the average for a woman with a college degree though?
 
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In context he was saying people w/ kids don't have a time for a life. And that is because they have their life! Not everyone who things med school is a drag want to spend that time partying.


Well, first off, I've been female since the day I was born (well, earlier :smuggrin:) and secondly, that really is my point. Kids take up a LOT of free time and it's still considered "having a life", but medical school is NOT considered "having a life" for some reason. Your life doesn't mysteriously end when you finish undergrad and mysteriously pop back into being 7-10 years later when you get your first huge paycheck. Hell, many residents buy houses or pop out kids...my guess is those residents don't come online to SDN to kvetch about how their life hasn't really started yet.

Now, I'm not saying medical school isn't extremely difficult, because honestly, I don't know. I'm just saying that the idea that it - and almost nothing else - completely erases a large chunk of your life is bogus. There are many different paths you could have taken to lose all that free time you desperately wish you had, and kids are but one common method.
 
For the most part I've really enjoyed medschool. My favorite year so far is 3rd year. 1st and 2nd years my schedule was far more under my own control but sitting and memorizing for countless hours was tedious. Unless an event fell in the two weeks before exams (versus the few days before in undergrad) I could usually adjust my schedule and make it, though I had to be picky about which social events to do each block moreso than in undergrad. Third year I feel like I'm doing what I came here to do. I enjoy interacting with my patients and my colleagues. I enjoy pulling together all the information and applying it to real world scenarios. I enjoy the fast pace and hands on learning.

However free time has been highly rotation dependent. I've had rotations where simply staying awake long enough to eat and read a bit when I got home was a struggle after spending 4am --> 9pm in the hospital. I've had rotations where there are no weekends and I'm only there 7am --> 1pm. For the most part I've had far less free time than ever before and have gone weeks at a time without the free time to do more than watch some tivo while I eat dinner. While of course we all know that this sacrifice is coming sometimes it is still frustrating to have to miss out on events. I can see how some people can feel down during some of the rougher rotations of 3rd year.
 
Well, first off, I've been female since the day I was born (well, earlier :smuggrin:) and secondly, that really is my point. Kids take up a LOT of free time and it's still considered "having a life", but medical school is NOT considered "having a life" for some reason. Your life doesn't mysteriously end when you finish undergrad and mysteriously pop back into being 7-10 years later when you get your first huge paycheck. Hell, many residents buy houses or pop out kids...my guess is those residents don't come online to SDN to kvetch about how their life hasn't really started yet.

Now, I'm not saying medical school isn't extremely difficult, because honestly, I don't know. I'm just saying that the idea that it - and almost nothing else - completely erases a large chunk of your life is bogus. There are many different paths you could have taken to lose all that free time you desperately wish you had, and kids are but one common method.

I think medical school is considered as not having a life because most people went into medicine so they could treat patients instead of having to study 24/7. Obviously, you need that medical knowledge in order to treat patients, but for many it becomes tedious/boring/stressful.

Using your analogy of med school and being a parent; I would say medical school is like being pregnant, residency is labor, and once you're licensed you've given birth to your child.

Imo, most women do not like the stress and physiological changes their bodies go through while being pregnant, they wish they could just skip past those 9 months and just give birth to their baby. I think the same is true for med students; while they are in medical school and residency, they will feel like their lives suck and want to get it done with ASAP, but once they have finally become licensed physicians, they will realize the value of those years.
 
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1st year tends to be rah rah fun. A few students freak out because of work load or other things they weren't expecting, but this is transient and uncommon. But the grades don't really matter (often ungraded), you're still stoked to be there, and the workload isn't that bad yet.

2nd year is mixed. It depends a lot on school and personality.

By this point you are ~$100k in debt, spent years being a pre-med and in med school, and feel you can't leave.

3rd year is hell for most med students. The hours are brutal and the competition can be extreme.

4th year is decent for most med students and in a lot of ways it can be rewarding and interesting. Grades stop mattering and hours relax again. You get to pick which rotations you want and generally get whatever locations you want as opposed to being sent to bumble**** to stare into fat middle aged vaginas. Maybe you get what you want in the match and maybe you don't. Those who do well are happy, those who get screwed or feel like they got screwed are very unhappy.

When you talk to a med student, it just depends who you talk to and when decides what response you'll get. I do find it amazing some of the most unhappy 3rd years become chipper 4th years. Some of the most chipper 1st years become bitter 4th years. This is because we all want to be happy, and most of us will try hard to forget the pain to convince ourselves we've made the right choice. Because if you know inside you've made the wrong choice, now you have to suffer through the hell of internship. There's no backing out now. Maybe you didn't match or had to scramble into the most malignant surgical internship in the country for nobody knows what reason except you just had bad luck.

Despite what you may think from SDN, most people will not speak out about their unhappiness. It's very frowned upon in the real world. Hence why in admissions you will pretty much only meet 1st years and maybe a few chipper 4th years who are happy with their matches. I call them cheerleaders. RAH RAH RAH. If anything, I think SDN tends to reflect what senior medical students really think, as opposed to biased towards the negative. Pre-allo just wants to be really happy, as sideways pointed out, to justify the pre-med decision.

In the end you're happy because you convince yourself you're happy. Maybe you can do that in med school, maybe you can't.

Yours,
A very chipper 1st year turned very unhappy 3rd year now reasonably content 4th year. Ask me again how I feel about this whole process after match.
I can't speak to everything in your post, in part because the experience at each school is different, and in part because I have to openly admit that everything I'm saying in regards to the clinical portion of the curriculum comes second-hand. And I want to make it clear that I don't presume that my experience is exactly what every med student everywhere, or even in my class, has had. Furthermore, as you say, in a few years I may have a very different outlook on the experience.

But I do think the two bolded statements are true. You can get some very different opinions from people about med school based on when you ask them, depending on if they're a 1st year or a 4th year--or even depending on whether they're on surgery vs., say, peds. And I also think that people, to a large extent, make their own happiness/satisfaction. At every step along the way, I believe there is some time for making a life outside of medical school, whether it be a couple of nights a week as a first year, or maybe one night every couple of weeks when you're on the harder rotations. Whether or not you're happy enough savoring those moments while you see some of your other college friends making money and moving on with their lives, that's entirely dependent on each individual person and what they really want out of life.

I will also say, though, that it's not like every moment you spend studying or working really feels like "work." Obviously, yes it's work, but it's also interesting, and learning can be enjoyable in and of itself.
At my school you have no time on clinicals to have a life outside of school if you plan on getting decent grades. Either your school isn't this competitive or the students aren't trying to match into competitive residencies.

I don't think either of your statements are true although I'm sure spurs can address it. I recently hung out with a md/phd from that school that's on her phd now though and she said the clinicals besides surgery were much better than the preclinicals fwiw.

At my school it's a pretty mixed bag, ob/surgery suck, med/psych are ok. primary care and peds are chill.

My point is the bar to get clinical honors here is extremely high. If students have time during clerkships, either the bar there isn't as high or the students don't care to get over that bar.

Well, that or they don't sleep. But I lost a lot of sleep and still had no life outside of medical school and still was a pretty mediocre student here.

The school in question has a 18 mo preclinical curriculum, so i think that might spread things out a bit. At our school grades range from easy to do well to very hard. I think surgery gives ~15% honors while some rotations give 50+% so it just depends.
Again, everything I'm saying is second-hand, and there's certainly a drop in the amount of free time that students have between the pre-clinical and clinical years and yes it's also rotation dependent. But the impression that I have gotten is that on most clinicals you can make some time to spend with friends, at least on most weekends and maybe an odd week night. Whether or not everyone would be happy with this, again, is person-dependent.
Med students often study in front of their laptops and are easily distracted. I didn't study with a laptop because of that, but I still wandered to the computer lab to browse SDN. Residents and attendings are actually working all day.
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I actually had to download an app for Firefx to lock me out of certain time-wasting websites when I want to study. I did that for all of last block, and my grades improved SUBSTANTIALLY :oops: But again, that's what I'm saying about being more efficient with your time--having a life in med school is a lot about cutting out "wasted" time.
For the most part I've really enjoyed medschool. My favorite year so far is 3rd year. 1st and 2nd years my schedule was far more under my own control but sitting and memorizing for countless hours was tedious. Unless an event fell in the two weeks before exams (versus the few days before in undergrad) I could usually adjust my schedule and make it, though I had to be picky about which social events to do each block moreso than in undergrad. Third year I feel like I'm doing what I came here to do. I enjoy interacting with my patients and my colleagues. I enjoy pulling together all the information and applying it to real world scenarios. I enjoy the fast pace and hands on learning.

However free time has been highly rotation dependent. I've had rotations where simply staying awake long enough to eat and read a bit when I got home was a struggle after spending 4am --> 9pm in the hospital. I've had rotations where there are no weekends and I'm only there 7am --> 1pm. For the most part I've had far less free time than ever before and have gone weeks at a time without the free time to do more than watch some tivo while I eat dinner. While of course we all know that this sacrifice is coming sometimes it is still frustrating to have to miss out on events. I can see how some people can feel down during some of the rougher rotations of 3rd year.
Again, I my impression is that the bolded is very true :thumbup:

Alright, that's my impression based on what I've seen so far, and I reserve the right to change my mind. I'll let you all know what I think 3 years from now :)
 
However free time has been highly rotation dependent. I've had rotations where simply staying awake long enough to eat and read a bit when I got home was a struggle after spending 4am --> 9pm in the hospital. I've had rotations where there are no weekends and I'm only there 7am --> 1pm. For the most part I've had far less free time than ever before and have gone weeks at a time without the free time to do more than watch some tivo while I eat dinner. While of course we all know that this sacrifice is coming sometimes it is still frustrating to have to miss out on events. I can see how some people can feel down during some of the rougher rotations of 3rd year.

This is what I'm actually sorta looking forward to. I do have free time now, but I spend it all studying my butt off. I absolutely hate it - spending hours trying to store all those useless minuta in my short term memory. I would rather have less free time and be busy doing something worthwhile...gah freaking 1st year.


I think medical school is considered as not having a life because most people went into medicine so they could treat patients instead of having to study 24/7. Obviously, you need that medical knowledge in order to treat patients, but for many it becomes tedious/boring/stressful.
I think the same is true for med students; while they are in medical school and residency, they will feel like their lives suck and want to get it done with ASAP, but once they have finally become licensed physicians, they will realize the value of those years.

I do hope you're right - cos right now I know that first year coulda been done with in about 6 months - just full of TMI TMI TMI . But what do I know - i'm a lowly first year..
 
But I forgot...YOU'RE (and by this I mean a general "you", not the person I'm replying to) are smart enough to have been able to do anything, absolutely ANYTHING, so you would DEFINITELY have been successful outside of medical school...
Eh, I kinda disagree with this statement. While I'm just a lowly premed, I don't think you have to be really smart to get into med school. You just need to be able to work hard. If talking to med students, residents, and attendings has revealed anything to me, it's that med school is not a place that allows creativity to bloom; it's filled with rote memorization, for the most part. I mean, even on SDN, just look at how many people complain about math-related things (ie. those conceptual majors such as math, physics, etc, which, in my opinion, require far more "smartness" than being a premed).

Edit: I just realized that you may have been sarcastic in your post. If so, disregard my response. :oops:
 
Edit: I just realized that you may have been sarcastic in your post. If so, disregard my response. :oops:

I was being sarcastic, but in the end you're agreeing with me so it's all good :laugh:
 
About "having a life"...guys, not everyone WANTS one. I know people in my class who are genuinely happy just focusing on school, hanging out with classmates post-exams, and maybe taking some time to work out or play videogames occasionally. Not everyone has a burning desire to be "out there" meeting tons of people, spending money, "partying", being in a relationship...etc.

Do I miss some aspects of the real world? Sure. I miss having a paycheck (man, do I miss it...). I miss having free afternoons and free weekends to go on trips and go shopping and enjoy my surroundings. But when I was working, I really missed learning- everything I did just felt so "rote", like I had just plateau'd and wasn't moving forward anymore. Also, jobs are often very isolating and meeting people your age is way, way harder (especially people with even similar interests to yours). I'm very big on academia, and I worked at a university, so most of the people I dealt with were also academics (though they were old). But I have friends who work with people who didn't go past a high school education, and while that's perfectly fine, it's harder to build a close relationship with someone with whom you don't have too much in common.

Med school has had some really bad days so far, but I'm still really excited when I learn something clinically relevant. I love meeting doctors who love their jobs and want to share their passion with students. I love my mentors, I appreciate my free time WAY more now that I have so little of it, and most of all I love my classmates. I am surrounded by brilliant people who are close to my age and happen to love what I love. Everyone has his/her own motivation for picking medicine, and it's fascinating to find out what that is. I'm always challenged, both intellectually and emotionally, and while that's exhausting, it's also sort of exhilarating. I was miserable during anatomy, but I came out of it absolutely astonished at how much I had learned. Med school is just a total trip. Appreciate the good stuff.
 
I think medical school is considered as not having a life because most people went into medicine so they could treat patients instead of having to study 24/7. Obviously, you need that medical knowledge in order to treat patients, but for many it becomes tedious/boring/stressful.
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I think the same is true for med students; while they are in medical school and residency, they will feel like their lives suck and want to get it done with ASAP, but once they have finally become licensed physicians, they will realize the value of those years.

Or...they will continue to fall into the trap of thinking that the NEXT part of the journey will somehow magically be better, while falling deeper and deeper in debt and spending their 20s-30s making tremendous personal sacrifices.

Think about it. The premeds think that somehow once they "make it" to med school that it will all be better. The MS1s and MS2s think that once they "make it" to the clinical years all their studying will finally have meaning. The MS3s and MS4s think that once they "make it" to residency and aren't just a lowly student anymore and have some actual responsibility they will feel better. Then the residents think that once they "make it" out the other side...

Bottom line is it is a hard, at times soul-crushing journey. It isn't just a coincidence that MDs have higher than average rates of substance abuse, depression, etc. Maybe some people do just LOVE IT like the OP; but I think the average med student would admit to you that they have struggled a lot along the way.
 
Or...they will continue to fall into the trap of thinking that the NEXT part of the journey will somehow magically be better, while falling deeper and deeper in debt and spending their 20s-30s making tremendous personal sacrifices.

Think about it. The premeds think that somehow once they "make it" to med school that it will all be better. The MS1s and MS2s think that once they "make it" to the clinical years all their studying will finally have meaning. The MS3s and MS4s think that once they "make it" to residency and aren't just a lowly student anymore and have some actual responsibility they will feel better. Then the residents think that once they "make it" out the other side...

That could happen too, they may realize that once they've "finished" that the job they have sucks and that they're stuck with it, but I think that's why the admissions process is so tough: to accept only those who know what they're getting themselves into.
 
this past year i lived with a 4th yr med student at a top-25 university...
when i moved in with her, she was doing a one month "rotation" teaching figure skating lessons to disabled kids... then proceeded to spend two months in germany doing another "rotation"/oktoberfest....
did a crosscountry mostly *paid* trip for residency interviews.... and this spring did a special clerkship thing where she got to go on a cruise from china to india with several stops along the way. again all paid except for her plane ticket....
we frequently talked about how while her earlier years were pretty challenging, a lot of your quality of life in med school has to do with your own planning and time management...
i hope my own fourth year can be like hers!
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Yeah, 4th year is considered "vacation year".
 
I second OP. I've never studied this hard in my entire life but i have to say it's been an enjoyable ride. also pwning your first physical exam: priceless.
 
making fun of dental students is also priceless.
 
I don't think either of your statements are true although I'm sure spurs can address it. I recently hung out with a md/phd from that school that's on her phd now though and she said the clinicals besides surgery were much better than the preclinicals fwiw.

At my school it's a pretty mixed bag, ob/surgery suck, med/psych are ok. primary care and peds are chill.

Clinicals ARE "better" than pre-clinicals, but NOT because they offer more free time. :laugh::laugh:

The idea that you'd have more free time on clinicals is laughable. On preclinicals, classes were optional, I never went in on weekends, and I was never at school past 5.

On clinicals, an average day on PEDS was - get to the hospital at 6AM, but since the hospital was an hour from my house, I would have to get up at 4 AM. Run around like a crazy woman for 2 hours before rounds, and then do scut work all day until 6 PM. Drive another hour to get home, and then study for 2-3 hours before falling asleep and doing it all again.

On surgery, I worked 6-7 days a week. As a 4th year sub-I, I was easily over 110 hours of work a week. Yeah, didn't leave a lot of time for a social life.

I would take what you hear from the MS3s and MS4s with a grain of salt. Their definition of better might not be YOUR definition of "better."

The school in question has a 18 mo preclinical curriculum, so i think that might spread things out a bit. At our school grades range from easy to do well to very hard. I think surgery gives ~15% honors while some rotations give 50+% so it just depends.

It's not a question of 24 months vs. 30 months. It's just a question of what each rotation requires.

And sometimes just getting "honors" isn't the only goal - you want to impress the residents, impress the attendings, and have them like you so that you can match there. It's a whole different ball game than what you are likely experiencing as an MS1 or MS2.
 
I know I'm not a medical student, so that's my caveat.

I don't believe in the whole "my friends are all enjoying life in their 20's, making bank, etc - I'm missing out on life."
There are only a limited number of jobs out there that actually have high social prestige and decent monetary compensation out there.

Every job has sacrifices. For example:

For law, it's law school + the bar exam + climbing the ladder.
For medical school, it's medical school + residency.
For finance, it's a lifelong path of competition of climbing the corporate ladder.

I don't believe there is a job out there where you can relax and have fun throughout your 20's and then suddenly by age 40, you're suddenly making decent amount of money, have a job that people respect, etc.
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You apply the same logic - we should tell high schoolers to not study for their classes and SATs because they're missing out on the prime teenage years of their lives.
 
This is what I'm actually sorta looking forward to. I do have free time now, but I spend it all studying my butt off. I absolutely hate it - spending hours trying to store all those useless minuta in my short term memory. I would rather have less free time and be busy doing something worthwhile...gah freaking 1st year.
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What's tough about third year is on some rotations you are NOT doing something worthwhile. I had one resident who made us stand there and watch him chart and dictate. He didn't speak to us. Occasionally he put his head down on the desk and napped. But we weren't allowed to go home. I've had a rotation where we basically sat in a board room after writing a note on one patient at 5am until 5pm. We had lots of time to study but I was sooooo stir crazy. I've loved all of the rotations where you're actually a useful member of the team even when the hours are crazy.
 
I don't believe there is a job out there where you can relax and have fun throughout your 20's and then suddenly by age 40, you're suddenly making decent amount of money, have a job that people respect, etc.
You don't? To me, that sounds like a description of most jobs a person with a college education would hold. Judging by the comparisons you made, it sounds like you're underestimating how much work you're in for.
 
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