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no MD interviews for me so far......
don't worry it'll happen!! my cum is a 3.15 and my science is a 2.95 and i have seven interviews so far, including one of my TOP choice schools. good luck to everyone, it CAN be done
First off, there is no such thing as "applying URM". It asks what your ethnicity is, and you fill it out and answer honestly. Second, this does NOT make as big of a difference as people think it does; if you look at the acceptance rates at many schools overall and URM, the minorities almost always have the same or a lower acceptance rate because people apply to schools out of their range thinking they'll get in because they're a urm. It makes barely any difference. At tufts my interviewer specifically told me that they have gotten rid of their affirmative action policy. And i got an interview there, clearly not having to do with my urm status. You say no offense at the beginning of it as though that makes up for being clearly offensive and indicating that that's the only reason i'm getting these interviews. It isn't. I thought as underdogs we'd all be able to bond and root for each other, not act like that. thanks for the support!No offense, but you applied URM.
First off, there is no such thing as "applying URM". It asks what your ethnicity is, and you fill it out and answer honestly. Second, this does NOT make as big of a difference as people think it does; if you look at the acceptance rates at many schools overall and URM, the minorities almost always have the same or a lower acceptance rate because people apply to schools out of their range thinking they'll get in because they're a urm. It makes barely any difference. At tufts my interviewer specifically told me that they have gotten rid of their affirmative action policy. And i got an interview there, clearly not having to do with my urm status. You say no offense at the beginning of it as though that makes up for being clearly offensive and indicating that that's the only reason i'm getting these interviews. It isn't. I thought as underdogs we'd all be able to bond and root for each other, not act like that. thanks for the support!
Remember that admissions aren't just about stats. If you rocked your personal statement, said something that made them think "wow, we REALLY want to learn more about pharmy!", or any of your letter writers did it for you, and your ECs are unique or amazing, any of these components can get you to your interview stage. My first Tufts interviewer said to me "When I first got your application on my desk, I looked at your basic numbers and transcript and thought "why are we interviewing this girl?" but then I looked over your whole application, and read your letters of recommendation, and understood. I have no doubt left in my mind that you could excel here." That was amazing to hear, and it also made me appreciate my letter writers so much more. Each school so far has mentioned something, my experiences, my letters, that made them realize they wanted to look more closely at me. Hopefully this will happen for you as well. Good luck!I'm so glad I'm not the only one.... So there is hope for us after all!! But I also have an MCAT of 29Q to go along with my 3.23 GPA. Anyone get interviews with these kind of stats.....maybe I'm pushing it...
No offense, but you applied URM.
the minorities almost always have the same or a lower acceptance rate
First off, there is no such thing as "applying URM". It asks what your ethnicity is, and you fill it out and answer honestly. Second, this does NOT make as big of a difference as people think it does; if you look at the acceptance rates at many schools overall and URM, the minorities almost always have the same or a lower acceptance rate because people apply to schools out of their range thinking they'll get in because they're a urm. It makes barely any difference. At tufts my interviewer specifically told me that they have gotten rid of their affirmative action policy. And i got an interview there, clearly not having to do with my urm status. You say no offense at the beginning of it as though that makes up for being clearly offensive and indicating that that's the only reason i'm getting these interviews. It isn't. I thought as underdogs we'd all be able to bond and root for each other, not act like that. thanks for the support!
because most minorities happen to be east asians
You say that "I do not think that the acceptance rates of different races should be the same. If they are by themselves then great, but I don't think we should enforce it." and i agree 100%, but my point in saying that they were the same or lower was that it's not always such an advantage, especially not as large of one as people think it is. When i was at Tufts the specifically told me that they do not use any type of affirmative action program, but I still got an interview there, because I measured up to their standards. Just because I am a different race doesn't mean that they are using a completely different set of standards.
I understand that you meant "no offense", but just so you know, it is offensive when people try to make you think that the only reason you are getting something is because you are a different race. I honestly believe that I would still have the majority of my interviews if I were white, because I still had these amazing experiences and it is the whole candidate they are looking at. It is hard to constantly hear that you are only afforded these opportunities because you were honest when you marked the race box. When I got into Princeton, my boyfriend at the time, his mother said "well, I guess they had to fill their quota"...as though they didn't have thousands of qualified applicants both black and white to choose from. But they did, and so do medical schools.
You say that "I do not think that the acceptance rates of different races should be the same. If they are by themselves then great, but I don't think we should enforce it." and i agree 100%, but my point in saying that they were the same or lower was that it's not always such an advantage, especially not as large of one as people think it is. When i was at Tufts the specifically told me that they do not use any type of affirmative action program, but I still got an interview there, because I measured up to their standards. Just because I am a different race doesn't mean that they are using a completely different set of standards.
I understand that you meant "no offense", but just so you know, it is offensive when people try to make you think that the only reason you are getting something is because you are a different race. I honestly believe that I would still have the majority of my interviews if I were white, because I still had these amazing experiences and it is the whole candidate they are looking at. It is hard to constantly hear that you are only afforded these opportunities because you were honest when you marked the race box. When I got into Princeton, my boyfriend at the time, his mother said "well, I guess they had to fill their quota"...as though they didn't have thousands of qualified applicants both black and white to choose from. But they did, and so do medical schools.
If you didn't want to 'offend,' anyone, why make a clearly smart-ass comment that you KNEW was going to provoke a reaction?When I said 'no offense' I meant literally 'no offense.' I only put it in there because in today's oversensitive politically correct culture one cannot have a mature conversation about race/urm/affirmative action without offending somebody. When I said you applied URM I was only stating a fact. I am not going to get into the discussion of what specific effects URM status affords here. The bolded portion of what you wrote above is where we differ. I do not think that the acceptance rates of different races should be the same. If they are by themselves then great, but I don't think we should enforce it. I think that the most qualified people should get in period. Whether this means that the people who get in are are 99% black or 1% black, or 93% white, or 67% latino, or 100% asian, I don't care, race doesn't matter to me. I have found out the hard way that nobody is going to convince anybody about anything concerning this issue while arguing on the internet. There are thousands of threads on this site and feel free to look up the data the AMCAS has on their site (as TheRealMD mentioned). My only intention in making my original post was that the criteria and measures that apply to you do not apply to me. This was particularly in response to your phrase 'it can be done.' Having said that, I do wish you luck.
Can you read?If you didn't want to 'offend,' anyone, why make a clearly smart-ass comment that you KNEW was going to provoke a reaction?
Stop whining.
Wait I thought Asians aren't considered in the URM category right? I hope we do... LOL
I myself have chosen to spend my free time watching trashy reality tv, I mean 'cause who doesn't want to throw in their $.02 about how much of a bi-atch Heidi's being to Lauren on "The Hills?" DON'T JUDGE ME!!!!
I don't care what people say about URM and how it doesn't make much difference in the level of difficulty in URMs admission to med schools. Many of you seem to say that as a URM it's almost as difficult to get into a med school as it is for East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. IT'S NOT TRUE. Stats do not lie. URMs have, on the average, 0.2-0.3 lower GPA and 1.5-2 lower in each section of the MCAT than the East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. End of discussion.
I don't care what people say about URM and how it doesn't make much difference in the level of difficulty in URMs admission to med schools. Many of you seem to say that as a URM it's almost as difficult to get into a med school as it is for East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. IT'S NOT TRUE. Stats do not lie. URMs have, on the average, 0.2-0.3 lower GPA and 1.5-2 lower in each section of the MCAT than the East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. End of discussion.
Well, you can also look at the stats and see that a higher percentage rate of Caucasian and Asians are accepted into medical schools than URM's.
I was looking at the AAMC stats and they are not the same according to the chart below. (2006 stats)When you take a look overall at who gets in, every race/ethnicity is roughly 33%. I'm not seeing where the advantage is on a large scale.
Policies of individual schools can be debated left and right but we'll never know.
First off, there is no such thing as "applying URM". It asks what your ethnicity is, and you fill it out and answer honestly. Second, this does NOT make as big of a difference as people think it does; if you look at the acceptance rates at many schools overall and URM, the minorities almost always have the same or a lower acceptance rate because people apply to schools out of their range thinking they'll get in because they're a urm. It makes barely any difference. At tufts my interviewer specifically told me that they have gotten rid of their affirmative action policy. And i got an interview there, clearly not having to do with my urm status. You say no offense at the beginning of it as though that makes up for being clearly offensive and indicating that that's the only reason i'm getting these interviews. It isn't. I thought as underdogs we'd all be able to bond and root for each other, not act like that. thanks for the support!
I was looking at the AAMC stats and they are not the same according to the chart below. (2006 stats)
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/mcatgparaceeth.htm
White 10541/22669 = about 46.6%
Asian 3,242/7,532= about 43%
Black 1,155/2,906= about 39.7%
Mexican 448/955= about 46.9%
and the list goes on.
Okay,i don't know how many more times we have to say this, but there is no place to indicate on an application URM. I did not CHOOSE to apply URM. The only place this is indicated is where it specifically asks white/black/hispanic/asian. it's not like you can choose black non-urm and black-urm. Just black. Why didn't i lie and say i was white? is this your question? ebcause that doesn't make SENSE!!!! YES IT BOTHERS ME THAT PEOPLE THINK OTHERWISE! But i didn't have an option. I could either have lied and said i was white, or i could apply as black and be labeled as a URM by some.If it didn't make a difference why then didn't you write you were not URM on your application?! If I were a URM I would not indicate that on my application. As you said, you probably got your interview because of other reasons. But doesn't it bother you that some people might think otherwise? I'm sure it does. I'd say just get rid of these classifications and level the playing field. However, many URMs will not go for that. Too bad for well deserving URMs who always have to live with this stigma because of a small percentage of people who actually take advantage for being URMs.
Eh... must have remembered wrong. Regardless, many would interpret this as the exact opposite of AA. Well this really shows that too many minorites believe the AA-hype and aren't as prepared when applying as they should be.
What do you mean purple?
there is no point to arguing about race on the internet. We were born what we were, I dont remember getting to choose, and the system is what it is.
Good luck to those of us out there that have lower stats! If we are getting interest, it is because we deserve it! A perfect MCAT or GPA does not create a perfect physician, and some adcoms seem to really tune in to that!
I have 3.23 and an an URM. Got 9 interviews including Harvard (WOOO!)
Whether or not this is a joke, I'd believe it. And we all know a non-URM would never get an interview at Harvard with a 3.23, unless they had a 45 and successfully cured AIDS (curing cancer cancer isn't good enough these days).
1 MD interview for me. 3.07cum 2.93bcpm
Its definately hurting me in the interview process (knew it would, of course) but its not killing me completely. Only one rejection so far - and that was for state residency requirements. I made it past all of the screened secondaries. My numbers are a little deceptive because I also have a masters and that horrible uGPA was from a decade ago.
dang. Are u really 37?I don't care what people say about URM and how it doesn't make much difference in the level of difficulty in URMs admission to med schools. Many of you seem to say that as a URM it's almost as difficult to get into a med school as it is for East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. IT'S NOT TRUE. Stats do not lie. URMs have, on the average, 0.2-0.3 lower GPA and 1.5-2 lower in each section of the MCAT than the East Asian and Caucasian counterparts. End of discussion.
I was looking at the AAMC stats and they are not the same according to the chart below. (2006 stats)
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/mcatgparaceeth.htm
White 10541/22669 = about 46.6%
Asian 3,242/7,532= about 43%
Black 1,155/2,906= about 39.7%
Mexican 448/955= about 46.9%
and the list goes on.