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Discussion in 'Radiation Oncology' started by Gfunk6, 03.16.12.

  1. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    You guys know the drill, right?

    Each year we request users anonymously post their match statistics (whether or not they successfully matched) in the format below. Since the impressions account is gone feel free to PM your match stats anonymously or email to gfunk6266(at)yahoo(dot)com

    Cheers,

    G

    --Board Scores:
    --AOA and class rank: if known
    --GPA:
    --Reputation of medical school: (top 10, top 25, etc)
    --Research: (none, some radonc with no publications, radonc publications, other pubs)
    --Honors in clerkships: (especially surgery, medicine and radonc)
    --# and where you did away rotations:
    --# of programs you applied to:
    --Where invited for interviews:
    --Where matched:
    --Matched at what number on rank list:
    --Anything that helped your app: (ie: a phone call to a program, big-wig letter of recs, MD/PhD, other degree, SDN Forum, etc)
    --Plans if not matched:
    --Prelim year:
    --Matched at what number of prelim yr on list:
    --Other:
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    -- 253/259
    -- Not AOA
    -- Top 20 med school
    -- 9 pubs, 3 first author, 1 cancer, the rest neuropharmacology
    -- honors in all but surgery, HP in sry
    -- no away rotations
    -- applied to 32 programs
    -- interviews at: Vanderbilt, Michigan, Stanford, Yale, Duke, UNC, Cincinnatti, Case Western, Ohio State, Rochester, Montinfore, Rush, U Chicago, Robert Wood Johnson
    -- Matched: #1 on my list
    -- Prelim: prelim med, #1 on my list
  3. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    Here's an anonymous stat block I received, thanks!

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  4. RadOnc2013

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    --Board Scores: Step 1 255; I took Step 2 too late for it to matter.
    --AOA and class rank: I was in the 3rd quarter of my class.

    --Reputation of medical school: (top 10, top 25, etc): Top 25
    --Research:
    I had the following Radiation Oncology research: 1 first author paper submitted, 1 first author oral presentation at RSNA, 4 first author abstracts (really only about 2 different projects though), 6th author on one accepted paper, 2nd author on a book chapter, and 6th author on a couple of accepted abstracts. I also had my name on a couple of non-Rad Onc papers and abstracts.

    --Honors in clerkships: (especially surgery, medicine and radonc): Honors in Neuro and Family Med. High Pass in Psych. All other rotations were Passes.

    --# and where you did away rotations: 1

    --# of programs you applied to: Every program in the country

    --Where invited for interviews:
    I went on 15 interviews, including USC, UC Irvine, CPMC, Minnesota, Cleveland Clinic, Case, Wisconsin, MCW, Rush, Northwestern, Miami, Long Island, NY Methodist, Cornell, and Buffalo. I was invited to an additional 11 interviews, but I either did not or could not attend (the good ones conflicted with other good programs, unfortunately). These included Moffit, Nebraska, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisville, Syracuse, Rochester, Henry Ford, Wayne State, UNC, and UTMB.

    --Where matched:

    --Matched at what number on rank list: #2

    --Anything that helped your app: (ie: a phone call to a program, big-wig letter of recs, MD/PhD, other degree, SDN Forum, etc):
    I had one letter from a big name who I did research with since the first year of med school. I had another letter from a big name that I met on my clinical rotation at my home program. My third Rad Onc letter was from an attending at my home program who a few attendings on the interview trail knew as well.

    --Plans if not matched:
    I applied to and interviewed for a back-up specialty, which was a waste of hard work, time, and money.

    --Prelim year: I interviewed at a mix of TYs and prelim medicine programs.

    --Matched at what number of prelim yr on list: #1

    --Other:
    Don’t let anyone tell you that you can’t match into Rad Onc. I had an obviously non-Rad Onc advisor from my school tell me that I needed a back-up specialty; she said this was because matching in Rad Onc would be dicey for me. This clearly turned out not to be true - I had far more interview offers than I could even attend . If you start research early in med school (or take a year off to do research if you developed interest late), be productive, and prove to one or two big names in the field that you can do strong work, then you can match. It’s not like trying to get into plastics or derm; if you prove enough interest and do good work, you can earn yourself a spot without being anywhere near AOA.
  5. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    Another stat block, muchos gracias!

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    --Board Scores: 241/258 (Step 2 not in until late December but notified programs)
    --AOA and class rank: Senior AOA top quartile
    --GPA: good mix of honors and high-pass in preclinical years and mostly honors clinical years
    --Reputation of medical school: unranked state school
    --Research: PhD before medical school in engineering. One 2nd author rad onc pub submitted during interviews
    --Honors in clerkships: Everything except Surgery and OB/Gyn
    --# and where you did away rotations: 3
    --# of programs you applied to: 40
    --Where invited for interviews: 9
    --Where matched: Great midwest program
    --Matched at what number on rank list: 1
    --Anything that helped your app: (ie: a phone call to a program, big-wig letter of recs, MD/PhD, other degree, SDN Forum, etc) - Worked really hard during away rotation at the place I matched and picked up research while I was there.
    --Plans if not matched: cry
    --Prelim year: excellent transitional year program
    --Matched at what number of prelim yr on list: 1
    --Other: This forum is invaluable for Rad Onc applications. I would have been completely lost if I didn't have the guidance of Gfunk and the residents on this board. It is important to use this board, while at the same time not getting psyched out by all the 260+ people with 5 first author rad onc publications.
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  7. Sheldor

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    http://www.nrmp.org/data/datatables2012.pdf

    It's no charting outcomes, but it gives us a little info.

    Looks like 171 spots, with 222 US senior applicants (257 total). Congrats to those who matched, seems to be getting more difficult each year!
    Last edited: 03.17.12
  8. domestique

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    Just a point of clarification. There were actually 171 positions. You have to add the positions in the PGY1 table (Emory, Penn etc etc) to the 156 positions in the PGY2 table to get the total number of rad onc positions in the match.
  9. Gfunk6

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    More anonymous stats, thanks!

  10. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    Yet another anonymous stat block, it is appreciated!

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    66% match rate for all comers. 76% for US seniors. That's insane. Without looking, rad onc may have the lowest match rate this year (plastics may be the exception).

    By comparison, the rad onc match rate for all comers last year was 77%, and for US seniors it was 85%.
  12. Gfunk6

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    More stats!

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    Wonder why suddenly even seemingly more competitive in terms of percentage matched and in terms of the few samples of who matched ... Wondering even more why applicant's match location appears to be a greater secret than where the applicant lost their virginity.
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    More stats goodness.

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    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    Moar stats!!

  16. wyme84

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    I'm with SimulD -- where are all the 'normal' people?
  17. Gfunk6

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    > 240 may be the new normal. We'll see if the NRMP puts out updated stats.

  18. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 Troublemaker Moderator Lifetime Donor

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    Another case in point.

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    More groovy stats

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    moar

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  23. RadOncDoc21

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    Okay this is mundane! Bottom line you guys are all great with Godly stats and all matched at :). I guess Rad Onc is the new Derm now... Congrats!

    -R
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    I think derm/plastics is still more numbers oriented than rad onc. You don't "need" a 240+ to match into rad onc. Honestly, a 232 + research/LORs trumps a 260/AOA with no research or big whig LORs any day of the week IMO. Not necessarily true with derm.
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    I didn't know Step I scores went this high . . .


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    These stat blocks are looking less like residency applications and more like junior faculty applications . . .

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    And here's another.


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    yet you still matched!

    -R
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    You guys have been exceptional this year with feedback! I thank you on behalf of all future applicants.


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    And another one!

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    Heh, if I didn't know better I'd say there was a whole lot of trollin' going on in this thread...
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    This years crop of applicants are really impressive. I'm tempted to be thankful that I'm applying this year and not last, but I'm guessing this is part of a trend.

    The Rad Onc secret is out.
  34. RadOnc37

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    Have to ask... for example, from the Gfunk post at 12:31AM on 3/21/12: guy took one year off for research and has 6 rad onc publications (5 first author), as well as 1 book chapter. I've seen similar numbers from a few other posts. With these publications, are we talking about all research projects, or are we lumping in radonc case reports?

    Delving into this further, for example, in one of the fastest forms of radonc publications (where your data is collected completely from optimizations and not from patient outcomes), you're talking (conservatively) maybe 300 optimizations per study (assuming your sample size is reasonable). Six different projects = 1800 total calculations. That's about 36/week over a 50-week year (a very manageable workload). I understand that once an idea is in mind, determination can allow you to gather data quickly, but you also have to factor in analyzing the data, adjusting as necessary, writing the papers and getting responses/editing and resubmitting. Studies with models don't go faster than that. Analyses of genetics in relation to outcomes don't go that much faster. Clinical trials certainly don't go faster. While this by no means describes all rad onc project designs... I'm just putting it out there that 6 pubs and 1 book chapter seems like an unusually successful year (not meaning to intentionally target that guy. A genuine congrats to him. I'm looking instead to express the message behind it).
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    Fair question but at a place with good infrastructure, you can pound stuff out. For example, I did some pancreas SRS work from a database. Got 3 abstracts out of it and two papers. Once the data was collected, didn't take long.. Just weeks. Other people in my residency did similar things and were able to crank out 5 papers in a clinical year. With the help of a good med student, it wasn't too taxing. Yeah, it's retrospective and not groundbreaking, but it's something, especially for an applicant. Places like Beaumont and UPMC and Stanford make it really easy to do outcomes research and retrospective studies.
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    So now that we've heard from all the demi-gods, where are all the mortal applicants? =)
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    Heracles . . .


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    Orpheus . . .

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    Simul D is right, this thread is kinda lame since we are all being so secretive with our match results. Applicants can tell who's who anyways. Before we applied, the one thing we wanted to know from these threads was what calibur of people really ended up at what places. Lets be nice and share...

    -- board scores: 253/259
    -- AOA: nope
    -- Top 20 med school
    -- publications: 9 papaers, 3 first author, 1 cancer, the rest neuropharmacology, 20+ abstracts posters etc.
    -- med school grades: honors in all but surgery, HP in sry
    -- no away rotations
    -- applied to 32 programs
    -- interviews at: Vanderbilt, Michigan, Stanford, Yale, Duke, UNC, Cincinnatti, Case Western, Ohio State, Rochester, Montinfore, Rush, U Chicago, Robert Wood Johnson
    -- Matched: #1 on my list, UNC
    -- Prelim: prelim med UNC
    -- Things that helped: Having a PhD and a ton of research both before and during med school was key for me (at least interviews made it seem that way). In response to earlier posts, I had ZERO rad onc specific research and it did not hurt me one bit. I am a pharmacologist by training and I am a huge proponant of multimodal therapy. I plan to develop experimental therapeutics (either find novel compounds, improve delivery, etc) with the intention of improving clinical responses to radiation therapy. I can't disagree more that rad onc specific research is essential IF you have been succesful in your previous endevors and you have a convincing plan. People in 3rd year discovering rad onc for the first time that have done good research don't have to flip out just yet.

    Since Im the only resident they took this year, I've pretty much outed myself already anyway so I will also add that this was my home program. Can't help but think that had to help too.
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  40. radiadouken

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    Dude. Pretty unnecessary to call out someone's name on this board. Also, I fail to see why revealing where you matched is so important. I think there's plenty of useful info knowing an applicant's numbers, research experience, pedigree and the kinds of programs they interviewed at. Most applicants clearly fit into tiers and match within their tier. Sure it's icing on the cake to know what program they matched at but realistically far less will contribute if there's pressure to "out yourself." Because you're right, if you were on the trail, you can probably tell who's who. Just my $0.02.
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    Radiaduken,
    First, agree about the name. Can you edit your quote to reflect my edit?

    The useful part as an applicant would be knowing how tiered things really are. We assume a lot based on these stats but how teired are the final results. Also I remember wanting to know if the super applucants on this page that matched in their top picks all went for the obvious choices or not. If people disagree thats totally cool. But if people pm gfunk its still pretty anonymous and I hope a few people will. I think there is helpful info in there.
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    I absolutely agree with UNC, as a third year it was exceptionally useful to know where applicants with certain specific app stats were matching. I understand that some don't want to reveal where they matched but at least list the programs you received interviews at, instead of just saying middle tier and top tier programs, I don't think that is useful at all.
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    Agree with this agreement. To be honest though, I'm just thankful that people have chosen to share as much as they have. Of course this years stats make me feel inadequate, but it is still nice to have so much data.

    That said, I'll take what I can get, but it is nice to see what kind of stats end up getting what location.
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    -- 256/257
    -- Not AOA
    -- Not Top 20 med school
    -- 2 pubs, 1 first author, oral presentation at RSNA, multiple other poster presentations/oral presentations
    -- honors in all but pediatrics
    -- aways at Univ of Cincinnati and Cleveland Clinic
    -- applied to 50+ programs, couples matched (wife applied to Pediatrics)
    -- interviews at: University of Kentucky, University of Louisville, Cincinnati, Cleveland Clinic, Ohio State, Rochester, Syracuse, Roswell Park, Iowa, MUSC, Virginia, Wake Forest
    Invited to interview but did not go: UTMB, Nebraska, Oklahoma
    -- Matched: Did not match into radiation oncology
    -- Prelim: prelim med, #1 on my list
    Wife matched into peds, I matched only into a prelim med year.
    Rough luck, thought I would match somewhere... Match week was not fun for me. Maybe more research would have helped? Several projects fell through unfortunately... Did what I could, just didn't work out. Best advice I can give, choose your research projects carefully and know which ones will pay off and not just get you lame poster presentations. Being at a middle tier med school plus not having piles of pubs did me in.
    Well, now it's off to medicine!
  46. Gfunk6

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    I'm very sorry it didn't work out for you. On paper it looks like any program would be lucky to have you as a resident. I would not give up hope however as PGY-2 spots do tend to open up during your internship outside the Match.

    Be diligent about looking for these spots and I think you may be a Radiation Oncologist yet.

  47. medgator

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    You have good stats and it sounds like you made a decent effort to get some research under your belt. It's a tough field to match into and as gfunk said above, keep your ears to the ground. Spots open up mid-year more than you can imagine.
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    Speaking of good stats . . .


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    Ummm... wow. Not being able to match with those stats is pretty discouraging... Thank you for posting though.
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