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Military looking for a few good medics
... and surgeons, and RNs, and radiologists, too


By Michael Moran
Senior correspondent
MSNBC


Updated: 6:09 a.m. CT June 10, 2005

NEWARK, N.J. — Sirens wailing, Ed Wheat’s ambulance races through the streets of Newark en route to yet another GSW. In Wheat's world, that's shorthand for gun shot wound. Newark is a city so rough that no one but the state government is willing to take responsibility for emergency medical care. Wheat’s crew is often the first on the scene of traumatic accidents, stabbings and gun battles.

This time, the initial report is wrong — not a gun shot victim, just a 300-pound diabetic, former professional boxer whose hypoglycemic state has him flailing at those who have come to his aid. Wheat, a 6’4” 250 pounds former military policeman, is the perfect candidate to step in and subdue the man. With several police and firefighters, he moves in and takes a hard punch in the eye before the man is loaded into the ambulance for treatment.

“It’s like that some days,” Wheat says, showing off a burgeoning shiner. “It can be quiet sometimes, but a lot of times it’s run and gun, and you’re fighting to stay focused on your job, almost robotic, instead of thinking about what could happen around you.”

Coolness under pressure and his experience with gun and knife wounds makes the 34-year-old the perfect candidate for another job, one the Army and Marine Corps are more and more desperate to fill these days. A few months ago, Wheat and several of his colleagues here were approached by a Navy recruiter who promised a “tax-free $120,000 bonus” if they agreed to sign on as medical consultants with a Marine Corps unit in Iraq.

“I knew what they were asking, and don’t get me wrong, I was tempted,” says Wheat. “That’s a lot of money, and I really want to help. But I worried that I wouldn’t be accepted by the Marines, as an outsider, and I won’t kid you – I thought about getting killed or injured. And I decided. Hey, I’m already doing a job that’s dangerous that no one else wants right here. So I said no.”

Luring trained veterans like Ed Wheat back into the medical corps is a full-time headache for the military, which even in peace time is compelled to offer bonuses and perks that would compare with those available in the private sector. These days, with conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and the military attempting to add more than 40,000 new soldiers over the next few years, the challenge is more acute than ever.

“What’s happening with our combat medics is not so much a recruiting problem as it is keeping up with the Army’s expansion,” says Lt. Gen. Kevin Kiley, the Army’s surgeon general. “We’re standing up entirely new brigades, and that has added to requirements, so we’re having to hustle to continue to recruit highly qualified men and women who can make it through courses and get into the field.”

More acute for specialties

The decline in general Army recruiting in recent months has been precipitous. On Wednesday, for instance, the Army said that it had missed its recruitment goal for May by more than 25 percent – that after lowering its monthly target. It was the fourth month in a row that recruitment fell short. Perhaps more importantly, unlike February and March, which are traditionally slow periods for recruiters, May is usually a busy month as students begin to graduate or anticipate graduation from high school.

While media reports have focused on the problems the Army and Marine Corps are having with recruitment, the retention of highly trained specialists is as serious, if not more so, for the long-term ability of the military to sustain operations around the globe. Kiley notes that some 36,000 medical staff – doctors, nurses, technicians — have deployed to southwest Asia from the Army alone in the past four years. That is not only time away from home, but in some cases an interruption of their training as internists or medical students.

The bonuses offered to Wheat and others to work as private consultants are part of a series of strategies designed to bring in highly trained people and to hold on to those already in the service.

“In my experience, in the Army since 1976, it has never been easy to hold on to people who can command high salaries in the outside world,” says Kiley. “But today we’re also feeding into the larger issue of recruiting for the Army altogether, and we’re having some issues of getting our total end strengths up to the maximums. And our ability to offer bonuses is key.”

For instance, the Army is currently offering a $20,000 bonus to those who agree to re-enlist after their first four year tour is up. But that amount can grow depending on the skills involved and the military’s need for them.


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Some of these specialties are perennially difficult to keep. For the most highly skilled — cardio-thoracic surgeons, neurological specialist, orthopedic surgeons -– bonuses can in some cases be up to $70,000 a year. As Wheat attests, for those who prefer to work as private consultants on the front lines in Iraq, the amount can be much higher.

For the most part, the military’s medical system trains its own doctors, either through ROTC-like scholarship programs, which trade medical school tuition and some expenses for a seven year commitment to the military, or more directly by educating them at the Uniformed Services Universities of the Health Sciences just north of Washington.

“We’ve been in a sustained deployment now and it has its impact on recruiting and retention,” says Virginia Stephanakis, an Army Medical Command spokesperson. “It’s something we’re keeping an eye on. But the long commitment after training helps ensure we always have enough people to fight a war and to take care of military family medical needs.”

Kiley and other military medical commanders recently appeared before Congress to urge them to increase the flexibility of the current bonus system. Kiley says if he had the flexibility to offer special packages when they were needed to certain specialties, “I’d fill every slot, I believe. As it is under the current system, I have 4,347 physicians authorized, but only 4,220 on duty.”

Bonuses under the current system are set year-by-year by Congress, with little discretion exercised by military medical commanders.

“For instance, this year all obstetricians may get $34,000, but that could drop next year to $29,000,” Kiley says. “A radiologist could get as high as $50,000. And others further down the list could be offered a “multiple specialty bonus” — meaning if you sign on for two years you get $20,000 over that period.”

Steve Kosiak, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, notes that bonuses currently make up five percent of the total amount the Pentagon spends on military pay. “Most of that is in across the board bonuses, like the $20,000 being offered for reenlistment,” he says. “If it were structured to target specialists better, it could be a more effective program.”

Where are the nurses?

Other specialties in the medical and other fields also are experiencing serious shortfalls. These include information and internet specialists, as well as many mid-level officers who appear to be concluding that plotting a military career during wartime is not as attractive as it may have been during the 1990s.

Others, like registered nurses, who rank as officers in the military, and non-commissioned physicians assistants and certain engineering positions, reflect shortages that extend into the civilian economy, as well.


“We are having some problems retaining nurses,” Gen. Kiley says. “They are in great demand in the civilian sector. And we’re also having some trouble with physicians assistants, too. It’s not just a question of Iraq, it’s a question that there aren’t enough slots open in universities — military or civilian — to fill current demand.”

“Unfortunately, the way the military’s pay and retirement and promotions system is structured creates a distortion,” says Cindy Williams, an MIT military analyst who for years specialized in personnel issues for the Congressional Budget Office. “They wind up keeping too many of the wrong people — cooks and clerks and unskilled laborers where the salaries and benefits in the civilian economy would not be so different — and not enough of the right people who can make far more by leaving.”

The problem with that, Williams says, “is that serving 14 to 20 years as a medical specialist probably means that at the end of your career you are a stellar medical specialist. Where as, say, someone who has been cooking in a mess hall for 20 years is likely to be only marginally better, if at all.”

Kiley recognizes the problem, but says he has to live in the “real world” if he is to mitigate the consequences.

“You ask the doctors who are leaving where they’re going, and it is stunning, mind-boggling what the cardiologists, radiologists and orthopedic surgeons are getting,” Kiley says. “In a sustained way, we can’t keep up. We have to rely, at least in part, on patriotism and a sense of duty, and the obligation that some of these doctors and nurses and other people owe the military because we trained them.”


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“For instance, this year all obstetricians may get $34,000, but that could drop next year to $29,000,” Kiley says. “A radiologist could get as high as $50,000. And others further down the list could be offered a “multiple specialty bonus” — meaning if you sign on for two years you get $20,000 over that period.”

Wow, a whole 50k for radiology. My productivity bonuses alone were worth four times that last year.

When I got activated and nearly deployed to Kuwait around 18 months ago, I calculated that I would lose about $1000 per day in lost income. The hospital that employs me wanted to know how long I would be gone, so they could budget locums coverage (at around $2300 per day), but the boneheads at BUMED didn't have a friggin' clue on how long the deployment would last; 6 months, 9 months, maybe a year, dunno. I emailed CAPT Frost at BUMED several times about how these kinds of policies were going to drive people out of the Reserves. All I got for a reply was "We're looking at it."

It's not the money. I could easily and willingly take the financial hit and deploy for 60 , 90, or 120 days for the sake of patriotic duty. Unfortunately, the people who run BUPERS and BUMED are not imaginative or flexible enough to figure out a way to enable reservist medical specialists to mobilize and not destroy their practices or go bankrupt.

So, I resigned my commission as an O-6 select. Not only did they lose a radiologist (I was reading films for drill credit FedEx'd to my house from a distant MTF), they also lost the PSLO for the local medical school, and the only medical officer for the local reserve center.

F-'em. They made their bed, now let them lie in it.

ExNavyRad
 
Did you lose the retirement too or did you have enough time in by then to qualify?

I resigned about 6 years short. I figured the reserve retirement wasn't going to be worth it. I couldn't collect until age 60, I'd probably be recalled all through the grey zone. Tricare bennie certainly isn't worth it as an incentive.

The president of our group told me flat out he won't hire reservist, doesn't have to by law,and if I hadn't resigned my commission, I wouldn't have a job when I came back


ExNavyRad said:
“For instance, this year all obstetricians may get $34,000, but that could drop next year to $29,000,” Kiley says. “A radiologist

could get as high as $50,000. And others further down the list could be offered a “multiple specialty bonus” — meaning if you sign on for two years you get $20,000 over that period.”

Wow, a whole 50k for radiology. My productivity bonuses alone were worth four times that last year.

When I got activated and nearly deployed to Kuwait around 18 months ago, I calculated that I would lose about $1000 per day in lost income. The hospital that employs me wanted to know how long I would be gone, so they could budget locums coverage (at around $2300 per day), but the boneheads at BUMED didn't have a friggin' clue on how long the deployment would last; 6 months, 9 months, maybe a year, dunno. I emailed CAPT Frost at BUMED several times about how these kinds of policies were going to drive people out of the Reserves. All I got for a reply was "We're looking at it."

It's not the money. I could easily and willingly take the financial hit and deploy for 60 , 90, or 120 days for the sake of patriotic duty. Unfortunately, the people who run BUPERS and BUMED are not imaginative or flexible enough to figure out a way to enable reservist medical specialists to mobilize and not destroy their practices or go bankrupt.

So, I resigned my commission as an O-6 select. Not only did they lose a radiologist (I was reading films for drill credit FedEx'd to my house from a distant MTF), they also lost the PSLO for the local medical school, and the only medical officer for the local reserve center.

F-'em. They made their bed, now let them lie in it.

ExNavyRad
 
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alpha62 said:
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The president of our group told me flat out .... if I hadn't resigned my commission I wouldn't have a job when I came back

And that is blatantly illegal, protected by stringent federal law. I know .... a former employer tried that same tactic with me, and I later received a very fat check for back pay and punitive damages.
 
We're under 15 total employees, I've read the law doesn't apply in that case. So much conflicting info out there.

In any case, the way things have gotten, small employers shy away from us. About the only way you can keep your job is to work for the govt where productivity and profit never mattered in the first place.


trinityalumnus said:
And that is blatantly illegal, protected by stringent federal law. I know .... a former employer tried that same tactic with me, and I later received a very fat check for back pay and punitive damages.
 
trinityalumnus said:
And that is blatantly illegal, protected by stringent federal law. I know .... a former employer tried that same tactic with me, and I later received a very fat check for back pay and punitive damages.
The way you cut & paste his post then it is illegal. However it is not illegal to choose not to hire someone because they are reservist. Small companies aren't bound by those laws. Most private practices are considered small business.
 
I think I've met the Ex-Navy Radiologist. Believe me, if he's the guy I'm thinking of, it's got to be pretty bad in the military right now.
 
alpha62 said:
Did you lose the retirement too or did you have enough time in by then to qualify?

I resigned about 6 years short. I figured the reserve retirement wasn't going to be worth it. I couldn't collect until age 60, I'd probably be recalled all through the grey zone. Tricare bennie certainly isn't worth it as an incentive.

I hung it up about 8 years short of 20. I actually had over 20 total years of affilliation; 9 1/2 years active duty, but only 2 or 3 "good" reserve years. Being post-DOPMA none of my med school years "counted" for retirement, and I spent a couple of inactive years in the IRR.

I looked at the numbers, and staying for the sake of retirement was just not worth it. Especially since what I value more and more as I get older is my time, not necessarily money.
 
trinityalumnus said:
Kindly provide your legal citation.
Rereading your post I was focusing on the hiring and not what happened when he got back from deployment. Yes it is illegal for him not to keep the job for a reservist who is activated but it depends on the size of the company. Federal jobs can do this where a small practice can not and does not have to.

In regards to hiring a reservist...well the employer would be crazy to give the exact reason why they didn't hire a person. However I know of plenty of people who have not been hired because they had reservist on their cv/resume.
 
Croooz said:
Rereading your post I was focusing on the hiring and not what happened when he got back from deployment. Yes it is illegal for him not to keep the job for a reservist who is activated but it depends on the size of the company. Federal jobs can do this where a small practice can not and does not have to.

In regards to hiring a reservist...well the employer would be crazy to give the exact reason why they didn't hire a person. However I know of plenty of people who have not been hired because they had reservist on their cv/resume.

Thanks for clarifying. And I've been there, on the receiving end of employer discrimination in the hiring and/or retention of reservists.

I guess these employers are showing their preference to live under Islamofascism by discriminating against the very people who volunteered to protect them from that possibility.
 
trinityalumnus said:
Thanks for clarifying. And I've been there, on the receiving end of employer discrimination in the hiring and/or retention of reservists.

I guess these employers are showing their preference to live under Islamofascism by discriminating against the very people who volunteered to protect them from that possibility.


Please, don't make yourself look like an idiot. You obviously have no understanding of the economics of a small medical practice.

Those employers are choosing not to risk extreme practice disruption, loss of practice income and hospital coverage and lost opportunities to secure continuity in a practice where retirement or departure of other doctors is anticipated. It is one thing to lose staff who are not physicians, but for a small practice to lose a doctor is very difficult. I don't blame any small practice for being wary of reservists at this time. Locum tenens is often not an option and is expensive, and the absence of a principal is damaging to the reputation of the practice in the community it serves, no matter what you think of the military. When you are not available, you are not available, and being available is extremely important to practice reputation.

The services think that no harm results from a callup, or at least they act as if there is no harm. A doctor in practice generates at least as much toward overhead of the practice as he/she does to cover his salary. Even if the member's salary is covered by the military (and there is usually a huge shortfall, for which the insurance only partially compensates) there is still the overhead deficit. Staff still expect their paychecks, office rent, mortgage, utilities and equipment leases still have to be paid, none of those are covered by the government when it calls up a physician. The loss could be in hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, even discounting the unpaid civilian salary.

"Islamofascism"? Please. We have put up with that for decades, and from no less than our closest allies in the Arabian gulf. We even paid people to be islamofascists in Afghanistan, as long as they were willing to be a thorn in the side of the Soviet-sponsored government there at that time. We have never minded dealing with islamofascists until they took over our embassies and started sponsoring international terrorists that targeted us.

Whatever made you think there was a threat of our having to live under islamo-fascism? That's laughable.
 
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orbitsurgMD said:
Please, don't make yourself look like an idiot. You obviously have no understanding of the economics of a small medical practice.

Those employers are choosing not to risk extreme practice disruption, loss of practice income and hospital coverage and lost opportunities to secure continuity in a practice where retirement or departure of other doctors is anticipated. It is one thing to lose staff who are not physicians, but for a small practice to lose a doctor is very difficult. I don't blame any small practice for being wary of reservists at this time. Locum tenens is often not an option and is expensive, and the absence of a principal is damaging to the reputation of the practice in the community it serves, no matter what you think of the military. When you are not available, you are not available, and being available is extremely important to practice reputation.

The services think that no harm results from a callup, or at least they act as if there is no harm. A doctor in practice generates at least as much toward overhead of the practice as he/she does to cover his salary. Even if the member's salary is covered by the military (and there is usually a huge shortfall, for which the insurance only partially compensates) there is still the overhead defecit. Staff still expect their paychecks, office rent, mortgage, utilities and equipment leases still have to be paid, none of those are covered by the government when it calls up a physician. The loss could be in hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, even discounting the unpaid civilian salary.

"Islamofascism"? Please. We have put up with that for decades, and from no less than our closest allies in the Arabian gulf. We even paid people to be islamofascists in Afghanistan, as long as they were willing to be a thorn in the side of the Soviet-sponsored government there at that time. We have never minded dealing with islamofascists until they took over our embassies and started sponsoring international terrorists that targeted us.

Whatever made you think there was a threat of our having to live under islamo-fascism? That's laughable.

I generally agree with everything you said, above (well, except for the first sentence) :rolleyes: And no I've never made claim to being an expert in small practice economics.

And I've heard your points repeated elsewhere. Many times.

Extrapolating with relative confidence, it's a sure bet the same points are held by the majority of small (and some large) business owners of all flavors across the country, not just restricted to medical practices.

While I don't discount the impact you adroitly spelled out, consider this: sooner or later most reservists are going get tired of being stuck between a rock and a hard place of reserve affiliation (and high optemto) versus continued civilian employment hassle. Reserve participation trends down => hello draft.

I don't know your current affiliation status, so this is not meant in a derogatory manner: based on classified briefings I've received over the past two years, Islamofascism is a very real threat, and the Middle East is currently on the verge of resembling Europe in 1939. Only add rogue nukes to the equation. While North America might not itself be "conquered" we can be economically isolated by an overseas caliphate. That is a much more realistic potentiality.

So yes your economics observations and arguments are 100% valid .... but weigh them against the more macro outlook: we're facing a real enemy, we need bodies to fight it, and yet the folks back home are worried only about their short-sighted needs. I admit it's a no-win situation and a tough choice to make, again not discounting your arguments.
 
jsnuka said:
Military looking for a few good medics
... and surgeons, and RNs, and radiologists, too

What cracks me up is that I had contacted recruiters while I was in medical school, and none of them called me back except for the air force. You would think that if the army and navy were having a shortage of doctors that they would want to talk to a medical student.



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