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By Eyal Press

Published June 15, 2023Updated June 16, 2023, 4:09 p.m. ET
Some years ago, a psychiatrist named Wendy Dean read an article about a physician who died by suicide. Such deaths were distressingly common, she discovered. The suicide rate among doctors appeared to be even higher than the rate among active military members, a notion that startled Dean, who was then working as an administrator at a U.S. Army medical research center in Maryland. Dean started asking the physicians she knew how they felt about their jobs, and many of them confided that they were struggling. Some complained that they didn’t have enough time to talk to their patients because they were too busy filling out electronic medical records. Others bemoaned having to fight with insurers about whether a person with a serious illness would be preapproved for medication. The doctors Dean surveyed were deeply committed to the medical profession. But many of them were frustrated and unhappy, she sensed, not because they were burned out from working too hard but because the health care system made it so difficult to care for their patients.

In July 2018, Dean published an essay with Simon G. Talbot, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon, that argued that many physicians were suffering from a condition known as moral injury. Military psychiatrists use the term to describe an emotional wound sustained when, in the course of fulfilling their duties, soldiers witnessed or committed acts — raiding a home, killing a noncombatant — that transgressed their core values. Doctors on the front lines of America’s profit-driven health care system were also susceptible to such wounds, Dean and Talbot submitted, as the demands of administrators, hospital executives and insurers forced them to stray from the ethical principles that were supposed to govern their profession. The pull of these forces left many doctors anguished and distraught, caught between the Hippocratic oath and “the realities of making a profit from people at their sickest and most vulnerable.”

The article was published on Stat, a medical-news website with a modest readership. To Dean’s surprise, it quickly went viral. Doctors and nurses started reaching out to Dean to tell her how much the article spoke to them. “It went everywhere,” Dean told me when I visited her last March in Carlisle, Pa., where she now lives. By the time we met, the distress among medical professionals had reached alarming levels: One survey found that nearly one in five health care workers had quit their job since the start of the pandemic and that an additional 31 percent had considered leaving. Professional organizations like National Nurses United, the largest group of registered nurses in the country, had begun referring to “moral injury” and “moral distress” in pamphlets and news releases. Mona Masood, a psychiatrist who established a support line for doctors shortly after the pandemic began, recalls being struck by how clinicians reacted when she mentioned the term. “I remember all these physicians were like, Wow, that is what I was looking for,” she says. “This is it.”

Dean’s essay caught my eye, too, because I spent much of the previous few years reporting on moral injury, interviewing workers in menial occupations whose jobs were ethically compromising. I spoke to prison guards who patrolled the wards of violent penitentiaries, undocumented immigrants who toiled on the “kill floors” of industrial slaughterhouses and roustabouts who worked on offshore rigs in the fossil-fuel industry. Many of these workers were hesitant to talk or be identified, knowing how easily they could be replaced by someone else. Compared with them, physicians were privileged, earning six-figure salaries and doing prestigious jobs that spared them from the drudgery endured by so many other members of the labor force, including nurses and custodial workers in the health care industry. But in recent years, despite the esteem associated with their profession, many physicians have found themselves subjected to practices more commonly associated with manual laborers in auto plants and Amazon warehouses, like having their productivity tracked on an hourly basis and being pressured by management to work faster.

Because doctors are highly skilled professionals who are not so easy to replace, I assumed that they would not be as reluctant to discuss the distressing conditions at their jobs as the low-wage workers I’d interviewed. But the physicians I contacted were afraid to talk openly. “I have since reconsidered this and do not feel this is something I can do right now,” one doctor wrote to me. Another texted, “Will need to be anon.” Some sources I tried to reach had signed nondisclosure agreements that prohibited them from speaking to the media without permission. Others worried they could be disciplined or fired if they angered their employers, a concern that seems particularly well founded in the growing swath of the health care system that has been taken over by private-equity firms. In March 2020, an emergency-room doctor named Ming Lin was removed from the rotation at his hospital after airing concerns about its Covid-19 safety protocols. Lin worked at St. Joseph Medical Center, in Bellingham, Wash. — but his actual employer was TeamHealth, a company owned by the Blackstone Group.

E.R. doctors have found themselves at the forefront of these trends as more and more hospitals have outsourced the staffing in emergency departments in order to cut costs. A 2013 study by Robert McNamara, the chairman of the emergency-medicine department at Temple University in Philadelphia, found that 62 percent of emergency physicians in the United States could be fired without due process. Nearly 20 percent of the 389 E.R. doctors surveyed said they had been threatened for raising quality-of-care concerns, and pressured to make decisions based on financial considerations that could be detrimental to the people in their care, like being pushed to discharge Medicare and Medicaid patients or being encouraged to order more testing than necessary. In another study, more than 70 percent of emergency physicians agreed that the corporatization of their field has had a negative or strongly negative impact on the quality of care and on their own job satisfaction.

There are, of course, plenty of doctors who like what they do and feel no need to speak out. Clinicians in high-paying specialties like orthopedics and plastic surgery “are doing just fine, thank you,” one physician I know joked. But more and more doctors are coming to believe that the pandemic merely worsened the strain on a health care system that was already failing because it prioritizes profits over patient care. They are noticing how the emphasis on the bottom line routinely puts them in moral binds, and young doctors in particular are contemplating how to resist. Some are mulling whether the sacrifices — and compromises — are even worth it. “I think a lot of doctors are feeling like something is troubling them, something deep in their core that they committed themselves to,” Dean says. She notes that the term moral injury was originally coined by the psychiatrist Jonathan Shay to describe the wound that forms when a person’s sense of what is right is betrayed by leaders in high-stakes situations. “Not only are clinicians feeling betrayed by their leadership,” she says, “but when they allow these barriers to get in the way, they are part of the betrayal. They’re the instruments of betrayal.”

Not long ago, I spoke to an emergency physician, whom I’ll call A., about her experience. (She did not want her name used, explaining that she knew several doctors who had been fired for voicing concerns about unsatisfactory working conditions or patient-safety issues.) A soft-spoken woman with a gentle manner, A. referred to the emergency room as a “sacred space,” a place she loved working because of the profound impact she could have on patients’ lives, even those who weren’t going to pull through. During her training, a patient with a terminal condition somberly informed her that his daughter couldn’t make it to the hospital to be with him in his final hours. A. promised the patient that he wouldn’t die alone and then held his hand until he passed away. Interactions like that one would not be possible today, she told me, because of the new emphasis on speed, efficiency and relative value units (R.V.U.), a metric used to measure physician reimbursement that some feel rewards doctors for doing tests and procedures and discourages them from spending too much time on less remunerative functions, like listening and talking to patients. “It’s all about R.V.U.s and going faster,” she said of the ethos that permeated the practice where she’d been working. “Your door-to-doctor time, your room-to-doctor time, your time from initial evaluation to discharge.”

Appeasing her peers and superiors without breaching her values became increasingly difficult for A. On one occasion, a frail, elderly woman came into the E.R. because she was unable to walk on her own. A nurse case manager determined that the woman should be discharged because she didn’t have a specific diagnosis to explain her condition and Medicare wouldn’t cover her stay, even though she lived alone and couldn’t get out of a chair to eat or go to the bathroom. A. cried with the woman and tried to comfort her. Then she pleaded with the hospitalist on duty to admit her. A.’s appeal was successful, but afterward, she wondered, What are we being asked to do? When we spoke, A. had taken a leave from work and was unsure if she would ever go back, because of how depleted she felt. “It’s all about the almighty dollar and all about productivity,” she said, “which is obviously not why most of us sign up to do the job.”

That’s not always clear to patients, many of whom naturally assume that their doctors are the ones who decide how much time to spend with them and what to charge them for care. “Doctors are increasingly the scapegoats of systemic problems within the health care system,” Masood says, “because the patient is not seeing the insurance company that denied them the procedure, they’re not seeing the electronic medical records that are taking up all of our time. They’re just seeing the doctor who can only spend 10 minutes with them in the room, or the doctor who says, ‘I can’t get you this medication, because it costs $500 a month.’ And what ends up happening is we internalize that feeling.”

I spoke to a rheumatologist named Diana Girnita, who found this cycle deeply distressing. Originally from Romania, Girnita came to the United States to do a postdoc at Harvard and was dazzled by the quality of the training she received. Then she began practicing and hearing patients complain about the exorbitant bills they were sent for routine labs and medications. One patient came to her in tears after being billed $7,000 for an IV infusion, for which the patient held her responsible. “They have to blame someone, and we are the interface of the system,” she said. “They think we are the greedy ones.” Fed up, Girnita eventually left the practice.

Some doctors acknowledged that the pressures of the system had occasionally led them to betray the oaths they took to their patients. Among the physicians I spoke to about this, a 45-year-old critical-care specialist named Keith Corl stood out. Raised in a working-class town in upstate New York, Corl was an idealist who quit a lucrative job in finance in his early 20s because he wanted to do something that would benefit people. During medical school, he felt inspired watching doctors in the E.R. and I.C.U. stretch themselves to the breaking point to treat whoever happened to pass through the doors on a given night. “I want to do that,” he decided instantly. And he did, spending nearly two decades working long shifts as an emergency physician in an array of hospitals, in cities from Providence to Las Vegas to Sacramento, where he now lives. Like many E.R. physicians, Corl viewed his job as a calling. But over time, his idealism gave way to disillusionment, as he struggled to provide patients with the type of care he’d been trained to deliver. “Every day, you deal with somebody who couldn’t get some test or some treatment they needed because they didn’t have insurance,” he said. “Every day, you’re reminded how savage the system is.”

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After nearly two decades working in emergency rooms around the country, Corl’s idealism gave way to disillusionment as he struggled to provide patients with the type of care he’d been trained to deliver. Credit...Balazs Gardi for The New York Times



Corl was particularly haunted by something that happened in his late 30s, when he was working in the emergency room of a hospital in Pawtucket, R.I. It was a frigid winter night, so cold you could see your breath. The hospital was busy. When Corl arrived for his shift, all of the facility’s E.R. beds were filled. Corl was especially concerned about an elderly woman with pneumonia who he feared might be slipping into sepsis, an extreme, potentially fatal immune response to infection. As Corl was monitoring her, a call came in from an ambulance, informing the E.R. staff that another patient would soon be arriving, a woman with severe mental health problems. The patient was familiar to Corl — she was a frequent presence in the emergency room. He knew that she had bipolar disorder. He also knew that she could be a handful. On a previous visit to the hospital, she detached the bed rails on her stretcher and fell to the floor, injuring a nurse.

In a hospital that was adequately staffed, managing such a situation while keeping tabs on all the other patients might not have been a problem. But Corl was the sole doctor in the emergency room that night; he understood this to be in part a result of cost-cutting measures (the hospital has since closed). After the ambulance arrived, he and a nurse began talking with the incoming patient to gauge whether she was suicidal. They determined she was not. But she was combative, arguing with the nurse in an increasingly aggressive tone. As the argument grew more heated, Corl began to fear that if he and the nurse focused too much of their attention on her, other patients would suffer needlessly and that the woman at risk of septic shock might die.

Corl decided he could not let that happen. Exchanging glances, he and the nurse unplugged the patient from the monitor, wheeled her stretcher down the hall, and pushed it out of the hospital. The blast of cold air when the door swung open caused Corl to shudder. A nurse called the police to come pick the patient up. (It turned out that she had an outstanding warrant and was arrested.) Later, after he returned to the E.R., Corl could not stop thinking about what he’d done, imagining how the medical-school version of himself would have judged his conduct. “He would have been horrified.”

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Concerns about the corporate takeover of America’s medical system are hardly new. More than half a century ago, the writers Barbara and John Ehrenreich assailed the power of pharmaceutical companies and other large corporations in what they termed the “medical-industrial complex,” which, as the phrase suggests, was anything but a charitable enterprise. In the decades that followed, the official bodies of the medical profession seemed untroubled by this. To the contrary, the American Medical Association consistently opposed efforts to broaden access to health care after World War II, undertaking aggressive lobbying campaigns against proposals for a single-payer public system, which it saw as a threat to physicians’ autonomy.

But as the sociologist Paul Starr noted in “The Social Transformation of American Medicine,” physicians earned the public’s trust and derived much of their authority because they were perceived to be “above the market and pure commercialism.” And in fields like emergency medicine, an ethos of service and self-sacrifice prevailed. At academic training programs, Robert McNamara told me, students were taught that the needs of patients should always come first, and that doctors should never allow financial interests to interfere with how they did their jobs. Many of these programs were based in inner-city hospitals whose emergency rooms were often filled with indigent patients. Caring for people regardless of their financial means was both a legal obligation — codified in the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act, a federal law passed in 1986 — and, in programs like the one McNamara ran at Temple, a point of pride. But he acknowledged that over time, these values increasingly clashed with the reality that residents encountered once they entered the work force. “We’re training people to put the patient first,” he says, “and they’re running into a buzz saw.”

Throughout the medical system, the insistence on revenue and profits has accelerated. This can be seen in the shuttering of pediatric units at many hospitals and regional medical centers, in part because treating children is less lucrative than treating adults, who order more elective surgeries and are less likely to be on Medicaid. It can be seen in emergency rooms that were understaffed because of budgetary constraints long before the pandemic began. And it can be seen in the push by multibillion-dollar companies like CVS and Walmart to buy or invest in primary-care practices, a rapidly consolidating field attractive to investors because many of the patients who seek such care are enrolled in the Medicare Advantage program, which pays out $400 billion to insurers annually. Over the past decade, meanwhile, private-equity investment in the health care industry has surged, a wave of acquisitions that has swept up physician practices, hospitals, outpatient clinics, home health agencies. McNamara estimates that the staffing in 30 percent of all emergency rooms is now overseen by private-equity-owned firms. Once in charge, these companies “start squeezing the doctors to see more patients per hour, cutting staff,” he says.

As the focus on revenue and the adoption of business metrics has grown more pervasive, young people embarking on careers in medicine are beginning to wonder if they are the beneficiaries of capitalism or just another exploited class. In 2021, the average medical student graduated with more than $200,000 in debt. In the past, one privilege conferred on physicians who made these sacrifices was the freedom to control their working conditions in independent practices. But today, 70 percent of doctors work as salaried employees of large hospital systems or corporate entities, taking orders from administrators and executives who do not always share their values or priorities.

Philip Sossenheimer, a 30-year-old medical resident at Stanford, told me that these changes had begun to precipitate a shift in self-perception among doctors. In the past, physicians “didn’t really see themselves as laborers,” he notes. “They viewed themselves as business owners or scientists, as a class above working people.” Sossenheimer feels that it is different for his generation, because younger doctors realize that they will have far less control over their working conditions than their elders did — that the prestige of their profession won’t spare them from the degradation experienced by workers in other sectors of the economy. “For our generation, millennials and below, our feeling is that there is a big power imbalance between employers and workers,” he says.

Last May, the medical residents at Stanford voted to form a union by a tally of 835 to 214, a campaign Sossenheimer enthusiastically supported. “We’ve seen a boom in unionization in many other industries,” he told me, “and we realize it can level the power dynamics, not just for other workers but within medicine.” One thing that drove this home to him was seeing the nurses at Stanford, who belong to a union, go on strike to advocate for safer staffing and better working conditions. Their outspokenness stood in striking contrast to the silence of residents, who risked being singled out and disciplined if they dared to say anything that might attract the notice of the administration or their superiors. “That’s a big reason that unionization is so important,” he says.

The Stanford example has inspired medical residents elsewhere. Not long ago, I spoke with a group of residents in New York City who were thinking about unionizing, on the condition that I not disclose their identities or institutional affiliations. Although the medical profession has been slow to diversify, the residents came from strikingly varied backgrounds. Few grew up in wealthy families, judging by the number of hands that went up when I asked if they’d taken on debt to finish medical school. “Anyone here not take on debt?” said a woman sitting on the carpet in the living room where we gathered, prompting several people to laugh.

Having a union, one resident explained, would enable the group to demand better working conditions without having to worry about getting in trouble with their superiors or losing fellowship opportunities. They would be able to advocate for patients rather than apologizing to them for practices they considered shameful, another added. When I asked what they meant by shameful, I learned that a number of the residents had trained at a hospital that served an extremely poor community with a limited number of I.C.U. beds — beds that during the pandemic were sometimes given to wealthy “V.I.P.” patients from other states while sicker patients from the surrounding neighborhood languished on the general floor.

Forming unions is just one way that patient advocates are finding to push back against such inequities. Critics of private equity’s growing role in the health care system are also closely watching a California lawsuit that could have a major impact. In December 2021, the American Academy of Emergency Medicine Physician Group (A.A.E.M.P.G.), part of an association of doctors, residents and medical students, filed a lawsuit accusing Envision Healthcare, a private-equity-backed provider, of violating a California statute that prohibits nonmedical corporations from controlling the delivery of health services. Private-equity firms often circumvent these restrictions by transferring ownership, on paper, to doctors, even as the companies retain control over everything, including the terms of the physicians’ employment and the rates that patients are charged for care, according to the lawsuit. A.A.E.M.P.G.’s aim in bringing the suit is not to punish one company but rather to prohibit such arrangements altogether. “We’re not asking them to pay money, and we will not accept being paid to drop the case,” David Millstein, a lawyer for the A.A.E.M.P.G. has said of the suit. “We are simply asking the court to ban this practice model.” In May 2022, a judge rejected Envision’s motion to dismiss the case, raising hopes that such a ban may take effect.

Until the system changes, some doctors are finding ways to opt out. I spoke to several physicians who have started direct-care practices, in which patients pay a modest monthly fee to see doctors who can offer them more personalized out-of-network care, without having to answer to administrators or insurers. Diana Girnita, the rheumatologist who became disillusioned by the astronomical bills her patients kept receiving, started a direct-care practice in her specialty in 2020. One afternoon not long ago, I sat in on a virtual appointment she had with a patient who wished to remain anonymous, a 32-year-old veteran with an athletic build who began to experience severe joint pain several months earlier. He asked his primary-care physician for a referral to see a rheumatologist after a blood test showed a high level of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs), which can be a sign of an autoimmune disorder. He called every doctor’s office he could find within a 100-mile radius of his house, but none could schedule him for months. His wife then stumbled upon Girnita’s name online and called her office, and he got a virtual appointment the next day.



Diana Girnita, a rheumatologist who was distressed by the astronomical bills her patients kept receiving and started a direct-care practice.Credit...Emily Monforte for The New York Times



The meeting I sat in on was a follow-up appointment. When it began, Girnita relayed some good news, telling him that his ANA level had fallen and that his lab results indicated he did not have an autoimmune disease. The patient was visibly relieved, though he was still experiencing persistent pain in his wrist. Girnita advised him to get an MRI, which she said she could order for $800 — a fraction of the amount that hospitals typically charged. One advantage of the direct-care model was that physicians negotiated with labs and imaging centers for tests and services, Girnita told me, bypassing the corporate middlemen (insurers, pharmacy-benefit managers) that drove up health care costs.

When he went to medical appointments in the past, Girnita’s patient told me later, the doctors he saw were often brusque. “They come in, tell you the medicine you’re going to take and that’s it,” he said. His first appointment with Girnita lasted an hour, the minimum amount of time she allotted to all patients in their initial consultations. During the follow-up appointment I observed, Girnita spent half an hour answering his questions; she never cut him off and did not seem rushed or harried. At the end of the appointment, he thanked her profusely, in a way that made it clear he was not accustomed to such treatment. It was a novel experience not only for the patient but also for Girnita, who told me that, in the past, she often had to squeeze appointments into seven-minute time slots. Before starting her direct specialty-care practice, she added, she spent so many hours doing bureaucratic work that she barely had time to see her family, much less her patients. “The direct-care model is designed to rebuild trust,” she said, “and to re-establish a normal relationship between physicians and patients.”

Of course, the model is far from a panacea: Many doctors struggle to attract enough patients to make a living, which is a problem for specialists like Girnita, who rely on referrals from primary-care doctors. Girnita told me she understood why some doctors were choosing to leave the profession altogether. Two physicians she knew had switched careers recently, an impulse she fears will overcome more and more of her peers in the years to come, especially those who chose to become doctors for altruistic reasons. “They didn’t quit because they don’t like medicine,” she said. “They were both wonderful physicians.”

And even running direct-care practices, doctors cannot fully escape the frustrations and injustices of the health care system. A few months earlier, Girnita told me, a patient came to her after having a severe allergic reaction to an ulcer medication that his insurer had switched him onto because it no longer covered the drug he’d been taking. Girnita told me she had called her patient’s insurer every week as his condition deteriorated. When she finally got through, she was told they needed 30 days to process the appeal. Girnita was livid. “They are literally putting this patient in danger — it is sick,” she said. “This is sick medical care.”



Eyal Press is a journalist and sociologist in New York. He is the author of, most recently, “Dirty Work,” about the morally troubling jobs that society tacitly condones.
 
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Good piece. I appreciate that they highlighted direct care model. Not a panacea but many more should consider this option prior to leaving medicine altogether.
 
Good piece. I appreciate that they highlighted direct care model. Not a panacea but many more should consider this option prior to leaving medicine altogether.
Agree. That’s how medicine works without all the intermediaries taking a cut of everything.

Hard to make this work full time, but closer to retirement age, I may do only part time Regen med.

Hard to do a direct access cash model for most traditional pain treatments. Outside of Regen med, most cash pain patients feel they “are owed” opioids on demand.
 
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Excellent article appropriately identifying how corporate adversely affect healthcare.
 
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Excellent article appropriately identifying how corporate adversely affect healthcare.

Actually one thing I really liked about that piece was it identified even non profits as part of the problem. I think it’s better to recognize that it’s not just PE money or something that is causing moral injury to physicians. Everyone has a bottom line motive and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Some for profits are more aggressive than others but some none profits are also more aggressive than others.

The reality is numbers and the quantification of service delivery is rising everywhere in every industry and everyone wants to quantify how well they are doing to report to higher up. It doesn’t matter if you’re the department head of janitorial services at the nursing home or if you’re the ceo of a fortune 100 company. Process behavior analysis was first applied in manufacturing and industrial applications but the majority of a developed country’s economy is in services. You can’t have that large of a section not being quantified, measured and improved. After all, what sort of department head are you??? ;)
 
Actually one thing I really liked about that piece was it identified even non profits as part of the problem. I think it’s better to recognize that it’s not just PE money or something that is causing moral injury to physicians. Everyone has a bottom line motive and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Some for profits are more aggressive than others but some none profits are also more aggressive than others.

The reality is numbers and the quantification of service delivery is rising everywhere in every industry and everyone wants to quantify how well they are doing to report to higher up. It doesn’t matter if you’re the department head of janitorial services at the nursing home or if you’re the ceo of a fortune 100 company. Process behavior analysis was first applied in manufacturing and industrial applications but the majority of a developed country’s economy is in services. You can’t have that large of a section not being quantified, measured and improved. After all, what sort of department head are you??? ;)

Nonprofits are the worst. There is no such thing as "non-profit."

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

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the direct care model does still not alleviate the middleman problem, as the article posits.

the cost of that MRI scan that she ordered is still affected by what insurers will pay, and radiology suites will charge accordingly. and in this article, the last patient was still relying on insurance to determine whether to cover his medication...

Actually one thing I really liked about that piece was it identified even non profits as part of the problem. I think it’s better to recognize that it’s not just PE money or something that is causing moral injury to physicians. Everyone has a bottom line motive and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Some for profits are more aggressive than others but some none profits are also more aggressive than others.
yes, PE is not the root of the problem. PE developed most likely to take advantage of the problem of finance entangling with medical care.

The reality is numbers and the quantification of service delivery is rising everywhere in every industry and everyone wants to quantify how well they are doing to report to higher up. It doesn’t matter if you’re the department head of janitorial services at the nursing home or if you’re the ceo of a fortune 100 company. Process behavior analysis was first applied in manufacturing and industrial applications but the majority of a developed country’s economy is in services. You can’t have that large of a section not being quantified, measured and improved. After all, what sort of department head are you??? ;)
imo... Medical care should not be dependent on quantification of service delivery or numbers at all - it should be dependent on doctor-patient relationship and the ethical responsibility of a government to take care of all of its members. that is not how our healthcare system works, with the middlemen determining what is allowable medical care, not the doctor determining what is appropriate and ethical medical care.
 
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the direct care model does still not alleviate the middleman problem, as the article posits.

the cost of that MRI scan that she ordered is still affected by what insurers will pay, and radiology suites will charge accordingly. and in this article, the last patient was still relying on insurance to determine whether to cover his medication...


yes, PE is not the root of the problem. PE developed most likely to take advantage of the problem of finance entangling with medical care.


imo... Medical care should not be dependent on quantification of service delivery or numbers at all - it should be dependent on doctor-patient relationship and the ethical responsibility of a government to take care of all of its members. that is not how our healthcare system works, with the middlemen determining what is allowable medical care, not the doctor determining what is appropriate and ethical medical care.
It seems to me that the direct care model did solve the middleman problem as she clearly negotiated very low prices for radiology services for patients. This is closer to a freer market. Less layers of abstraction between buyer and seller to obfuscate what is paid for and how which is where the middlemen usually thrive for better and for worse.

I agree with you entirely on PE simply being a symptom not the root issue. I'm not sure if finance entangling with medical care is itself a problem or not quite yet. I can see the merits of financial instruments in medical care. After all how often are we talking in these forums about payment models, credit card fees, billing, etc.? We ourselves shop for better financial services for our businesses often and I don't see an issue with that. But your overall point about PE I agree with entirely.

And your last point about how medical care is exactly the issue in all of these debates. You and I (and probably literally everyone reading these comments) would agree that it should be based on the doctor-patient relationship. The question we all struggle with is: how? We know that there is a lot of need out there in medicare and medicaid patients and the resources are limited and no one wants to pay more in taxes (including most of us in this chat :p). And in the "private" market the insurances are also trying to keep their patients somewhat happy to minimize complaints while getting a profit. I'm personally not sure the answer without going into some unpopular areas although our current fiscal trajectory as a country is certainly unsustainable so politicians and insurers will keep demanding more with less, physicians will keep butting their heads against the wall, and patients will be caught in the crossfire mostly oblivious to these battles.
 
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Good piece. I appreciate that they highlighted direct care model. Not a panacea but many more should consider this option prior to leaving medicine altogether.
I imagine it would be difficult for pain providers to do a direct care model. We can't guarantee outcomes unfortunately. You pay 2k for lip fillers, you get plump lips. You pay 400 bucks for an ESI, it may or may not relieve your pain. Do you think patients would buy into that?
 
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I imagine it would be difficult for pain providers to do a direct care model. We can't guarantee outcomes unfortunately. You pay 2k for lip fillers, you get plump lips. You pay 400 bucks for an ESI, it may or may not relieve your pain. Do you think patients would buy into that?

If the pain is bad enough? Yes. They may try to negotiate prices. Some physicians might offer payment plans. Offer different rates based on income. Although I agree for sure that a lot of patients with milder pain would put it off if it was even $100 or just agree to use their insurance with the competitor down the road who will accept their insurance but in 3 months. Still patients looking for relief spend much much more for lesser guaranteed benefits. It would definitely take much longer to get a full patient panel if ever unless you are in a really underserved area without a lot of pain doctors.

Im not saying it’s a panacea or that even the majority of doctors should do this. Im saying it’s better than retiring early or leaving medicine for the sake of our healthcare system. Take a pay cut. Slow down. Talk to more patients. Build up a reputation slower. Etc. like mentioned in the article some specialists are doing the direct care model and having availability and time to spend with patients is something both the physician and the patient has to value. Not sure if I will ever do that model personally, but I can see the appeal and I would rather that than see less doctors practicing and more NP/PA/CRNA/AA filling in the gaps where they might not be a good fit.
 
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It seems to me that the direct care model did solve the middleman problem as she clearly negotiated very low prices for radiology services for patients. This is closer to a freer market. Less layers of abstraction between buyer and seller to obfuscate what is paid for and how which is where the middlemen usually thrive for better and for worse.

I agree with you entirely on PE simply being a symptom not the root issue. I'm not sure if finance entangling with medical care is itself a problem or not quite yet. I can see the merits of financial instruments in medical care. After all how often are we talking in these forums about payment models, credit card fees, billing, etc.? We ourselves shop for better financial services for our businesses often and I don't see an issue with that. But your overall point about PE I agree with entirely.

And your last point about how medical care is exactly the issue in all of these debates. You and I (and probably literally everyone reading these comments) would agree that it should be based on the doctor-patient relationship. The question we all struggle with is: how? We know that there is a lot of need out there in medicare and medicaid patients and the resources are limited and no one wants to pay more in taxes (including most of us in this chat :p). And in the "private" market the insurances are also trying to keep their patients somewhat happy to minimize complaints while getting a profit. I'm personally not sure the answer without going into some unpopular areas although our current fiscal trajectory as a country is certainly unsustainable so politicians and insurers will keep demanding more with less, physicians will keep butting their heads against the wall, and patients will be caught in the crossfire mostly oblivious to these battles.
$800 is not negotiating a low price for an MRI.

thats what the local MRI departments are charging patients in my area.

i direct care model does nothing to address the primary issue - other organizations whose entire purpose is to make (or save) money.

and almost all the money that is in the system is going to the middleman.

the answer is to get rid of the middleman, as has been done in other models. not just the hospital admin, but the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, other groups that provide no direct service to the patient but are beholden to shareholders.

why are we paying insurance premiums monthly, then have to pay copays and deductibles for care?

per capita, we spend more on healthcare than any other country by a long shot. it is about 12 grand per person, where the closest country is Germany at 7 grand per person...



there is a future universe, if one believes in the Multiverse, where we as physicians will have to pay an insurance company just to look at our requests....
 
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I imagine it would be difficult for pain providers to do a direct care model. We can't guarantee outcomes unfortunately. You pay 2k for lip fillers, you get plump lips. You pay 400 bucks for an ESI, it may or may not relieve your pain. Do you think patients would buy into that?
The patient population seeking pain procedures or pills for pokes is also very different from the the patient population looking for lip fillers. Former much poorer.
 
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$800 is not negotiating a low price for an MRI.

thats what the local MRI departments are charging patients in my area.

i direct care model does nothing to address the primary issue - other organizations whose entire purpose is to make (or save) money.

and almost all the money that is in the system is going to the middleman.

the answer is to get rid of the middleman, as has been done in other models. not just the hospital admin, but the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, other groups that provide no direct service to the patient but are beholden to shareholders.

why are we paying insurance premiums monthly, then have to pay copays and deductibles for care?

per capita, we spend more on healthcare than any other country by a long shot. it is about 12 grand per person, where the closest country is Germany at 7 grand per person...



there is a future universe, if one believes in the Multiverse, where we as physicians will have to pay an insurance company just to look at our requests....

$800 for a MRI isn’t the cheapest thing but that’s definitely much cheaper than what a lot of consumers are charged. It’s not terrible depending on lots of variables. They can cost 3-10k in other places with insurance with the patient paying over $800 just for the deductible!

I appreciate the effort to cut out the middlemen where ever they hide. Root then all out. Im all for it. Decrease transaction cost to delivering care to patients. Im all about it. That being said your comparison per capita of healthcare expenditures should also take into account our much higher incomes than Germany. I haven’t looked up the spending but assuming your numbers are accurate then they spend 58% of what we spend on healthcare. They also make 64% of what we make in gdp per capita. It’s not exactly 1:1 but it should be taken into account. Healthcare should cost more in countries where they make more. That’s not rocket science. Still I’ll join you on the war against the middlemen.
 
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The patient population seeking pain procedures or pills for pokes is also very different from the the patient population looking for lip fillers. Former much poorer.

Very valid point limitation of it for sure. Definitely won’t work for many.
 
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okay, lets move the goalposts shall we, as it seems we do all the time on this forum.
(fwiw, Germany GDP per capita is 51K, US 80k).

US per capita expenditure 12k; gdp per capita 80k
switzerland healthcare 7k; gdp per capita 98.7k
norway healthcare 7k; gdp per capita 101k



since we are moving goalposts, did you know that United healthcare made $17.7 billion and gave $5 billion to shareholders in 2022?
the entire healthcare insurance industry made $69 billion profit on $1.75 trillion dollars of business.

and what have we gotten for it?

irate patients that blame us then their insurance denies a procedure or treatment. and none of that money...
 
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I don't really know what a goal post is outside of sports and I didn't really read this thread in too much detail but what does GDP have to do with it? Wouldn't tax rates make for a more appropriate argument?
 
You do need to figure in tax rates. If you want to spend 50-60% of your own hard earned money to “fix” the problem I’m sure señor Biden would be happy to take your money. I don’t think that’s a good solution though
 
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okay, lets move the goalposts shall we, as it seems we do all the time on this forum.
(fwiw, Germany GDP per capita is 51K, US 80k).

US per capita expenditure 12k; gdp per capita 80k
switzerland healthcare 7k; gdp per capita 98.7k
norway healthcare 7k; gdp per capita 101k



since we are moving goalposts, did you know that United healthcare made $17.7 billion and gave $5 billion to shareholders in 2022?
the entire healthcare insurance industry made $69 billion profit on $1.75 trillion dollars of business.

and what have we gotten for it?

irate patients that blame us then their insurance denies a procedure or treatment. and none of that money...

Not interested in deviating from the topic at hand too much, but it’s not the best comparing America to a petrol state like Norway or a global tax haven like Switzerland. Still there is undoubtedly more expensive healthcare in the US. We also have sicker patients too.

Still I agree with you the personal moral injury that doctors feel when trying to do right by their patients but feel constrained in by the insurance companies on one side and the govt on another side and employers on another, etc. all make for a clear loss of locus of control which is a critical factor in developing burnout.

Meanwhile patients see us telling them no. Not the insurances, govt, employers, etc.
 
Not interested in deviating from the topic at hand too much, but it’s not the best comparing America to a petrol state like Norway or a global tax haven like Switzerland. Still there is undoubtedly more expensive healthcare in the US. We also have sicker patients too.

so this is a frequent argument. so what is the comparator for the US?

Germany? that is included.

France? 43k. 6k spending. (percentage wise, 11% of GDP is spent on healthcare, still much lower than the 19% that America spends)



no other country in the world spends as much of their GDP in healthcare.

only in the US is medical debt an actual concern, and in no other country is medical bankruptcy a systematic problem
 
so this is a frequent argument. so what is the comparator for the US?

Germany? that is included.

France? 43k. 6k spending. (percentage wise, 11% of GDP is spent on healthcare, still much lower than the 19% that America spends)



no other country in the world spends as much of their GDP in healthcare.

only in the US is medical debt an actual concern, and in no other country is medical bankruptcy a systematic problem
We do spend too much on healthcare.
We do not spend too much on caring for the patient.
The system is geared towards extracting money from the government and insurers. Healthcare costs have run away This is the rise of administrators. If we fired 90% of administration, we would save a ton of money and have a more efficient system.
 
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I imagine it would be difficult for pain providers to do a direct care model. We can't guarantee outcomes unfortunately. You pay 2k for lip fillers, you get plump lips. You pay 400 bucks for an ESI, it may or may not relieve your pain. Do you think patients would buy into that?
Try 150 bruh
 
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