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your thoughts?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5842a1.htm

it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients. basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose. are we not a menace to society? are we facilitating their deaths? or do u still think we are drug expert helping them on path to recovery? in the article it says "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid."

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Yeah Medicaid patients are the worse.
 
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your thoughts?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5842a1.htm

it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients. basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose. are we not a menace to society? are we facilitating their deaths? or do u still think we are drug expert helping them on path to recovery? in the article it says "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid."


What would you, as a pharmacist, do differently?
 
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The article states that nearly half of the overdose cases involve medicaid patients, not that half of the medicaid patients who are using opioids end up overdosing.
 
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your thoughts?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5842a1.htm

it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients. basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose. are we not a menace to society? are we facilitating their deaths? or do u still think we are drug expert helping them on path to recovery? in the article it says "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid."

basic stats must escape you -
why oh why i could go on, but I wont
 
You have killed so many people!!! Stop now.

Seriously though..

Most people with opioid problems are poor because a single 30mg oxycodone IR tablet costs $40-45 dollars each (at least in my area). This means that most opiate addicts aren't going to have enough money to have anything higher class than Medicaid.. thus explaining the statistics. Opiate addicts don't have money cuz they spend it all on opiates or Dr's appts to get opiates, thus they only have medicaid
 
The article states that nearly half of the overdose cases involve medicaid patients, not that half of the medicaid patients who are using opioids end up overdosing.

Yay math. I was worried no one mentioned this faster
 
How many of these chronic opiate patients are on LTD and SSD, SSI? These are Medicaid patients.
Yeah, if you're requiring chronic opioid therapy, you're probably not going to be working, therefore low income. But at the same time, drug addicts are also normally unable to keep a steady job, and therefore will also be low income. Just like it can be hard for us to tell a true pain patient from an abuser, this study has no way of making that distinction of the Medicaid patients they discuss either.

I'm actually surprised it's not higher, to be honest.
 
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not sure why ppl are whining about the math. to quote myself, "it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients." i did not say half of medicaid patients are overdosing on opioids. this was also posted by Pharmacy Times or APhA. did u guys not read it?
 
not sure why ppl are whining about the math. to quote myself, "it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients." i did not say half of medicaid patients are overdosing on opioids. this was also posted by Pharmacy Times or APhA. did u guys not read it?


your thoughts?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5842a1.htm

it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients. basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose. are we not a menace to society? are we facilitating their deaths? or do u still think we are drug expert helping them on path to recovery? in the article it says "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid."
 
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yes. for every medicaid patients on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone. almost 1:2 will die. this does not mean its for every medicaid patients. only for medicaid patients on those drugs.
 
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You're contradicting yourself, and frankly, I do not know what to tell you...

I think that you misread or misunderstood the statistics in the article
 
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yes. for every medicaid patients on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone. almost 1:2 will die. this does not mean its for every medicaid patients. only for medicaid patients on those drugs.
dude your exact quote was

basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose

you said that half of all medicaid patients that are on opiods will die? that is not what the article said - and it is sad I have to explain this to you
 
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This is the kind of thread that makes one really lament the loss of SHC1984, I'm sure she would have lots of insight in this matter.
 
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yes. for every medicaid patients on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone. almost 1:2 will die. this does not mean its for every medicaid patients. only for medicaid patients on those drugs.
Suppose that 1 in 2 car crashes cause a fatality. Does that mean that the number of traffic deaths is half of the number of cars sold? Or that if you sell your first car and get a newer car, that you will be certain to die in it? (hint: no)
 
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yes. for every medicaid patients on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone. almost 1:2 will die. this does not mean its for every medicaid patients. only for medicaid patients on those drugs.

Wait, what?



your thoughts?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5842a1.htm

it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients. basically for every medicaid patient on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone, that you filled prescription for, 1:2 will die because of overdose. are we not a menace to society? are we facilitating their deaths? or do u still think we are drug expert helping them on path to recovery? in the article it says "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid."

not sure why ppl are whining about the math. to quote myself, "it says almost half of opioid deaths are MEDICAID patients." i did not say half of medicaid patients are overdosing on opioids. this was also posted by Pharmacy Times or APhA. did u guys not read it?

Quoted for posterity, this is just too delicious.
 
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Anyone can misspeak, it takes real courage to stand by the incorrect statement and dig in. Kutos to sosoo for not backing down or admitting any error. Can't wait to see where this goes. :popcorn:
 
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yes. for every medicaid patients on methadone, oxycodone, or hydrocodone. almost 1:2 will die. this does not mean its for every medicaid patients. only for medicaid patients on those drugs.
technically every medicaid patient on those drugs will die eventually- so we are all wrong
 
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i guess my paraphrase went awry. if it makes u guys feel better, i'll just quote the article, "45.4% of deaths were among persons enrolled in Medicaid." it makes us health care providers less accountable. also of note this is an old article. i believe the stats has only gotten a lot higher in 2015. eight years since the last recorded date, 2007.
 
What year pharmacy school are you in, Sosoo? I'm assuming you have *not* had any classes in statistical analysis yet? To help you paraphrase, the article says that 1/2 of opioid overdoses were people on Medicaid, this does NOT mean that 1/2 of people on Medicaid who take opioid's will overdose. Think of it this way, the article's statement would still be true, if there were 5,000 opioid prescriptions dispensed to Medicaid patients & there had only been 2 opioid overdoses that year, and 1 of the opioid doses was a Medicaid patient.

In other words, this article points out a correlation....whether or not this correlation actually means anything, we don't know. Just like how there is a correlation between increased sells of ice cream and increased number of rapes, the correlation does NOT mean that ice cream causes people to become rapists. The article doesn't tell us how many of these overdoses were accidental and how many were intentional. The article doesn't tell us how many of these overdoses were in people who had a terminal condition. The article doesn't tell us how many of these overdoses were in people with chronic health problems & how many were in people being treated for acute pain. This article doesn't tell us how many people overdose on prescriptions from ER doctors as opposed to pain specialists (ER doctors aren't going to have a complete health picture of the patient & may be unaware of the patient doctor shopping, Medicaid patients are more likely to use the ER because they have limited access to specialists and also just because they can.) As others have pointed out, people with chronic health problems are less likely to work & more likely to be on Medicaid--this is a known skewer and would have to be accounted for before any statistical conclusions can be drawn.

It's impossible to answer any of your questions, based on this article, because there are too many unknown variables. The article points out that opioid death's are higher in WA, than in other states. But is there a legitimate reason why? Are there population differences between WA and other states that would account for there being more overdoses? What would be the difference between health care providers in WA, as opposed to other states, that would cause the health care providers to contribute to more deaths in WA? Is there a higher rate of depression in WA (maybe from the rainy weather?) that would be a contributor to there being more overdoses?
 
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What year pharmacy school are you in, Sosoo? I'm assuming you have *not* had any classes in statistical analysis yet? To help you paraphrase, the article says that 1/2 of opioid overdoses were people on Medicaid, this does NOT mean that 1/2 of people on Medicaid who take opioid's will overdose.

exactly. i did not fail to mention that in one of the earlier comments. also this is basic reading comprehension. statistics is a different beast.
 
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