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  1. DPMrick

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    I recently heard from a guy that said someone he know is making over $120,000 fresh out of a 2yr residency in San Francisco. He started his own business and has no other help or connections. Is this possible? Is this a rare case?
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    San Francisco seems like it would be a bad area to try and start a practice. The school is so close, plus cost of living is so high. Then again, maybe he's got good business sense and knows how to find the work. The two podiatrists I know did three year residencies and have been out for about 5 years, both doing very well... way over 120,000, but it took a few years, I think he made about 50,000 his first year out. I'm just an applicant so don't put to much stock in my information, I'm just passing along my limited research.
  3. I know a podiatrist who started off making over 100K after 2 yr. residency, however, he did house calls, went to nursing homes, got his license in two states, etc. First few years I guess it depends on how much effort you put into it. I am also just a student, my two cents. Hope it helps.
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    Thanks guys. I was just wondering if there are more cases like this. Where does the people you know practice?
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    Thanks for the links. I know that the salary/income varies in this profession. I was just quite surprised that $120,000< is possible for a person just out of residencies and starting fresh.
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    I'm a current MD and DO applicant. But I personally know 2 podiatrists. One does o.k. (probably 6 figs by now, but it took him some time). The other (same age and approx. same graduation date etc.) is hugely successful.

    Like any professional practice, networking is very important. Ed, the wealthy one, obtained employment with a successful practice, with an established patient base, and they've grown tremendously over the years. He's full partner and has opened up several other offices, and has young DPM's working under him now.

    He used to be my parent's neighbor until he built a super custom home in a select area in a metro Detroit suburb. This home was amazing. And the guy is not flamboyant by any means. So, any move he would tend to make would probably be conservative.

    On the flip side, my other buddy has had a more modest career as a DPM. But, there are differences in personalities as well. One is a go-getter, the other more laid back and not as ambitious.
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    I am from the midwest. There are several podiatrist in the area, but the one my family friends know is extremely well-off. He drives two Porche's not that that automatically equates to success. But, his home would certainly make you look twice. For the most part, I've heard and seen nothing but success stories coming out this profession.
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    Hello All, I know that this is a little late in posting a reply. However I just wanted to echo the comments of a select few who are positive regarding Podiatry. I am a couple of months away from finishing my last year of a PM&S 36 (exciting in itself). More importantly however I finalized my job search as well. Next year I will be joining a Multispecialty group in Southern Arizona and will be making 110k to start plus benefits. Additionally, depending on how I do I can make alot more. So for those of you who are still in school or starting residency (there is hope at the end of the tunnel). In fact I had multiple job offers by December and had the luxury of picking the best one for my family.

    Best of Luck!
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    Thank you for the input, I do hear of similar offers as well - as it seems the trend is pushing for multispecialty or group practice
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    After a 3 year surgical residency, it is becoming quite common to make that or even more in your 1st year as most pods go into multi-specialty, ortho, or established private practices.

    That is quite impressive for someone to start out on their own and establish a practice that quick. They key thing here is that he started his own private practice so the training is irrelevant to an extent. For a good business person, they sky is the limit.
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    120k isn't much in san fran at all.
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    Unfortunately the medical professionals income isn't really adjusted as it would be in different feilds such as law or business. Many times physicians find themselves taking less money to live out on either coast.
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    You cant compare DPMs to Physicians, no offense...
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    No offense taken. SDN is a great learning tool. This is a subject that has been much debated. DPM's are considered physicians (or podiatric physicians) under most state laws and concerning medicare, medicaid, insurance companies, hospitals, etc. They are also usually grouped with physicians because they are members of medical staff (and even chief of staff) at most hospitals and enjoy full privileges.

    Most hospitals in which I have rotated, podiatrists wear a badge that states:

    Name, DPM
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    Is that because we make more money than the typically family practice guy?
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    yeah, it would be even less in nyc or a place like that. 120k just isn't that much when considering the cost of living in a large city. on the other hand, the potential for growth is much larger, so proportionally, it is probably equal to any other place.
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    I thought i was the only one in this forum who writes senseless sentences. but iam very happy to see another one joining the boat with me. he he.

    Really its the most silly argument i ever saw. We cant compare DPM to physicians. lol! A lot of DPMs in chicago suburbs make easily around $180K. Where as the IMs or FMs have such a hard time here because there are like Primary MDs in every corner of shopping complex and proffesional building in chicago suburbs. I think there are now more doctors then patients. Just like new DPMs struggle, new MDs in Primary medicine also suffer a lot if they open their practice in a saturated area filled with older MDs. health care industry is all about Supply-Demand. It doesnt matter if you are a MD or DPM. If you deliberately open your business in a saturated area and expect to be super succesive. its not gonna happen. That doesnt make sense. You dont need to be a rocket engineer to understand this basic concept.
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    :thumbup: Well put with great non-insulting comments. I did see you had to edit it, probably for cursing. :laugh:
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    You're walking on thin ice, coming in here saying things like that to podiatric medicine medical students and physician subspecialists of orthopedic podiatry and physicians of podiatric medicine and podiatric medicine surgeons. It would be like going into the Dental forum and referring to them as mere "dentists", instead of their more appropriate "physicians of dental medicine", or "dental medical students" or something else with way more adjectives.
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    :laugh: I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school.

    Just to make it clear, are Chiropractors Physicians of the Back as well? I guess my PT friends are Physicians too, and with the new Doctor in Nursing program we are going to have Nurse Physician Chiefs as well. I am confused, seems like everyone is a Physician now.
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    so are people who go to osteopathic schools physicians? or how about those fine carribean schools?
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    That is a pretty poor comparison. Chiropractors, Pt's, and NP's are not surgeons, are not members of medical staff, don't have hospital privileges, can't write Rx's (NP's in some states can), etc. And as far as "physicians of the feet", you can pretty much play that game with any specialist. Please try and stick to the facts.
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    100% pure Pre-medical student talk. best of luck with you med school applications. i never saw any senior Med student talking like this. I guess this type of talk is only limited to pre-meds and M1 and M2s.i guess you will realize imporatnce of other professionals during your clinicals.
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    Very well put. :thumbup:
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    Before you get sensitive about the "physician" title, it would rather make more sense to read up on podiatric medicine and understand why we are referred to as podiatric physicians - this physician title is recognized by insurance providers, and medicare/medicaid as my colleague jonwill posted earlier. I understand that it can be easy to simply mix everyone in one basket but if you know about our education and training then you'd appreciate that we are completely different from the fine professions that you listed above.

    I recommend you to read jonwill's sticky post in this forum entitled "what is podiatric medicine?" It may help clarify any misconceptions about who we are and what our training entails.
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    We're not that picky northerner, but there's nothing wrong with educating and clarifying any false misconceptions from non-DPM student SDNers
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    Maybe I have a slightly different view on things overall. I think that terminology and the English language is grossly misused all the time. However, words will obtain the meaning placed upon them. With that being said, if the insurance companies say we are physicians and the government etc. then we must be right :laugh:

    My classmates and I will always joke back and forth about being a 'real doctor' If you want to call me a podiatrist and not a physician, fine. As jonwill already pointed out though, most time there is a physician in the title. Either way, it's just a name and I consider neither one derigatory.

    Yes, we are podiatrists for all of those that want to say we're not physicians, so say that but when you do realize what our scope is and what we do, especially when comparing us to other professions such as chiropractic or physical therapy.
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    I would hope that this talk not exist period. There is no room in medicine for narcissist power-hungry egos, too-much of this exists already. I've worked along-side DPMs on several of my patients and got a good idea of the valuable services they provide. MDs need other providers as well, other MDs, DPMs, DDS's and so on. But to the other posters that lash out at medicine, really, it doesn't help. Those with experience know that you are skillful. Comments against any of our specialties (eg. family medicine), is an insult to our entire profession. Moreover, simply b/c family-med has a low compensation doesn't make the individuals less knowledgeable, less essential or less worthy. It doesn't give you the right to say that you are better or less, it's just not comparable. They are the first line of defense in medicine and their work is invaluable to all of healthcare. If you give respect, you will receive it, but you cannot demand it.
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    Amen! Very informative post. And yes, I don't know what the deal is with people degrading family-med. It is indeed an invaluable part of medicine (and where DPM's get a ton of business from).
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    If we want to split hairs a physician is more of an internal medicine doctor than anything. So family docs and general surgeons should not be referred to as a physician either.

    You can call me late for dinner, I just want to make sure you send me your referrals.

    LAZYGUY - Cool is a young buck and that is where the argument usually occurs is in the younger students. After you have spent time in a clinical setting and you see how important cooperation and teamwork are. You sing a different tune. I have been in his shoes before but I just don't care if people want to sound ignorant.

    Also there are pods out there I would not call physicians and there are surgeons I would say the same about (I have met one recently). I think you spoke right about respecting others and earning a title.
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    Hey, what did i said anything demeaning about Family med or any thing abt MDs. Why are you using my quotation to explain your theory. I never said anything like that. Read my posts in this topic. i didnt even mentioned them. Please go thru my posts in this topic thread and then write something. Why are you just simply selecting my quotation and writing all this crap as if iam doing all that. I request you to please point me out in this topic thread where i said anything bad or demeaning about any MD or any speciality. because the way you wrote right below my quotation. You make me look like a Villain. why do you wanna accuse someone of something he didnt did.
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    hey what did i wrote in this topic dude that you guys are crucifying me. i didnt wrote anything bad or demeaning to anyone this time. I know i did in past but atleast this topic i never said anything so why this sudden targetting on me.
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    I quoted you because I agreed with your response to the medical school applicant who was bashing Podiatric physicians. In your post you stated that you hoped that this trash talk came only from inexperienced individuals (premeds, MS1, MS2) and not from more experienced people. To which I replied, that I would hope this trash talk would not occur at all. I can see how this was misunderstood, but in replying to your post I was not referring to you, I was directing my words to the entire board. I apologize for any misunderstanding. :oops:
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    Oh man! plzz accept my appolgies. I thought that you were saying about my post. Iam really sorry. God bless you.
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    Honestly i do respect all healthcare fields. I find it humerous how many get offended by titles or lack of them. Just chill, its like the US Med School grads and the Carib Med Schools, or the MD schools and the DO schools, they all dish crap on each other but at the end, they all practicing medicine and making good money. No one needs to justify their titles or status, it actually shows an infer. complex when you do so. When my best friends brother who is a 3rd year Pod. Surgical Resident bump into each other, we joke around and I ask him to clean the corn on my feet :laugh: He doesnt cry about it or feel embarrassed, he just laughs it off, makes a joke about me. He is confident of himself and his knowledge that he doesnt find the need to cry and explain 100000000 pages of how Pods are equivalent to MDs, actually he doesnt even call himself a doc or physician. I find the guy very humble and knowledgeable and respect him for that.
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    so why do you come here, say something stupid and then retract your statements acting like everyone else is crazy?
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    SDN is becoming day by day populated with more and more med students and residents. Which is really a great achievement. But at the same time many high school kids and undergrad college students also join it. I really believe they should have some resgistration mechnanisms which verfies that He/She is indeed a Med student or Pod student or DO or MD or Premed or PreDent or NP or etc and that should be posted along with their USER ID.:idea: Because now no one knows who is the other person. May be he or she is not even a Med student or Pod student or resident but some disgruntled Pre-med or pre-pod flipping burgers in some run down place and claiming on SDN that he/she is this and that and start narrating his imaginative stories. Tomorrow i can make a new id and claim myself as someone else and start narrating my madeup experience about my jokes with some other healthcare provider:cool: .

    I mean who gives us the guarantee that the Poster is really who he or she is. Whats the assurance that he is not just lying or making up the whole story. Any one can get medical terminology/proffesor names/program directors/facility info and now even real life experience of residents from BLOGS or Google.com :cool: . While some people are openly recognized by others as students of a certain college or residents of certain specaility on this forum. they are universally accepted on the forum for who they are and also people know them because they have met them during admission interviews/seminars/residencies, clerkships,etc. But some new guy suddenly popping up out of nowhere and claiming this and that is really questionable:confused:

    Its not directed towards a particular person. but seriously dont you think when we all claim this is a professional forum why not have professional rules and verfication system so that we know what ever we are reading is 100% authentic and not made up.
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    While that's a nice story, it still doesn't explain why this topic is so fiercely debated. Rest assured, there are legitimate people with legitimate perspectives on both sides of the issue.

    SDN provides the anonymity that enables MD's bothered by other practitioners using the term "physician" to describe themselves to vocalize those frustrations and DPM's frustrated by the disrespect that is either paid to them or perceived by them (or both) to do the same. Why does a person voicing controversial or non-PC opinions have to be a "troll"?
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    The comments were made from left field. That is why "a person" would be called a troll. If we were discussing the topic of physicians, then it would be appropriate. If people are talking about a pod in SF making 120K out of residency and you say "pods are not physicians." It does not add to the conversation and the person is only trying to start a fight. That is a troll.
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    I may be wrong but I just don't see the point of the debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the FACTS are as I have stated them above. You can like it or not but those are the facts.
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    I don't care about this debate either. I was just trying to explain why people would say he is a troll.

    As stated before they can call me fat buns chunky boy, as long as why are calling fat buns chunky boy with referrals.
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    Fair enough. You understand my point, though?

    I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have people constantly coming in to ruffle your feathers just for the sake of ruffling them. I sympathize and understand the SDN plight.
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    I guess your right, I got put on probabtion because of this response, geeezzz I didnt have a clue speech is limited here and you got people restricting your speech and opinions!!! Does the Moderator being a DDS student have anything to do with giving me "an Infraction, claiming my response was offensive" have to do with it. Because no MD moderator found it insultive nor did i mean a little fun here and there with my opinion as insultive.
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    You're aloud to speak your mind. If you're joking, make sure it's obvious that you're joking or people are going to take you serious. Otherwise, stick to the facts. Concerning your post, comparing pods to chiros or pt's was way off. I hope that was a joke :)
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    Man, I just don't get why people have to try to prove themselves to anyone. The only person in this world that you have to prove jack sh*t to is yourself. If you, and by you, I mean ANYONE in ANY profession-from Medicine to business to whatever, get so freaking offended because some abstract person or group of people doesn't recognize you by what you think you should be called, then that's your problem. If you have that many problems with titles, then maybe you shouldn't be in whatever respective field you're in. It's freaking initials behind your name, you can't take them with you to the grave. Be happy with what you are doing and accomplishing and be proud that you (again, anyone) provides, hopefully, a great service while helping out your fellow man, honestly, that should be the reward in itself. Adcoms do a pretty good job now of accepting people to professional schools that legitimately want to do good by their profession and not the superficial, money driven aholes our there that just want to make a million bucks and then retire. I don't tell people I'm in medical school, I tell them I'm in Podiatric Medical school and that I am getting a DPM, not an MD or DO or whatever, I'm very proud to say I'm in Podiatry School and I hope to be able to have a valuable role in the health care community in the years and decades to come. Let your actions speak, not your words.
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    I don't disagree with the ability to say anything and have oppossing views. That is what has made this forum great.

    I would just suggest starting a new thread on the subject next time. Then you can't be seen as a troll b/c you are not taking a thread hostage.
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    By "you" you mean the guy who started the row in this thread. Not me.
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    That was the proverbial "you."
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    Take me off DETENTION DARN DENTAL MODERATOR for that darn thread, I feel like I am in a COMMUNIST NETWORK and on permenant detention. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Will it help if I called you (the Moderator who gave me my infraction or whatever the heck he calls it is a dental student), let me see if I am politically correct and boost his ego and call him a DOCTOR OF MEDICAL AND SURGERY AND ORTHOPEDICS AND PATHOLOGY OF DENTISTRY, there, your a DMD, a D plus an MD so your the best healthcare provider EVER. Now take me off that junk before I make you need DENTAL WORK YOURSELF (and no, its not a threat, a joke so no junk infarctions or probabtionary crap... :laugh:

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