Premeds too much on image, no substance. Rant

[RedSox143]

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[Doctor Dream]

I got nothing against pre meds excited for the field or them seeking motivation or even the selfie thing in itself, I used that example to elude to those who just go overboard without even taking the classes or the MCAT like I know kids that tour harvard medical school before sophomore year of college then continue to post statuses about that type of stuff all the time. unfortunately when the time came they didn't do well in their classes or the MCAT and started actually posting more like wtf. My point is that it's tough to be so vocal about your chances and goals when you don't have anything to back it up, nothing against the occasional selfie, pic of a hospital or status post but a pattern is premature and speaks volumes that your deck is not stacked since you have to keep reminded yourself that you think it is.

Then when you get some good grades or a great MCAT score or accepted you got some great cards and if you got a loud personality there's no way to knock you cuz you deserve your time in the sun.

EDIT: being very vocal and telling and showing everyone your premed through an obvious pattern then proceeding to be rejected can't feel too good and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Yea I know people like this, but for me at least there's so much other more important stuff to focus on that at the end of the day it's like, who cares. So they take selfies and post" future MD" this, and "pre-med club" that, and even if they have no chance to go to med school at all, still...who cares.

 

[RedSox143]

Yea I know people like this, but for me at least there's so much other more important stuff to focus on that at the end of the day it's like, who cares. So they take selfies and post" future MD" this, and "pre-med club" that, and even if they have no chance to go to med school at all, still...who cares.

Yeah I agree that's the best way to approach it hands down, just wanted to see if people shared my opinions

 

[darklabel]

You made it into a competitive specialty, ergo you're a bad human being that only cares about money lol

Most of the kids I know think plastics is all Beverly hills face lifts and derm is just pimple popping for teens. I've noticed that the people who know the least tend to talk the most ****

Nice straw man. People work hard and strive for what they want as medical students and doesn't matter what the rest of us think. Heck if you work hard, match plastics, then go on to do face lifts at Beverly Hills, who cares? My point previously was people are saying others shouldn't go into medicine for "wrong reasons" (which apparently some people here don't understand what putting words in quotations mean) should get off their high horse.

 

[SnakeDoc9497]

So kids taking selfies is a sign of their being unfit to be doctors, then? Okeedokee.

You didn't read it. Taking selfies just to show off their Boston Children's logo like they are some big shot pre-med's. That narcissistic and image-driven behavior could mean some of them are unfit to be doctors. If they only care about the label or the "logo" this career places on their life who's to say their heart will be in it?

 

[deleted407021]

You didn't read it. Taking selfies just to show off their Boston Children's logo like they are some big shot pre-med's. That narcissistic and image-driven behavior could mean some of them are unfit to be doctors. If they only care about the label or the "logo" this career places on their life who's to say their heart will be in it?

That behavior is consistent with their age group and isn't abnormal. You have to take such things into account before you label a behavioral motif as being pathological or predictive of their behavior in a professional setting.

 

[lmn]

You didn't read it. Taking selfies just to show off their Boston Children's logo like they are some big shot pre-med's. That narcissistic and image-driven behavior could mean some of them are unfit to be doctors. If they only care about the label or the "logo" this career places on their life who's to say their heart will be in it?

Lol if you think that's a good exclusion for becoming a doctor you would have to wipe out nearly the entire student body of every med school. Pictures in white coats, with stethoscopes, about how they are learning to save lives as M1's is rampant in every med school I've heard of. Med school is filled with narcissistic, image-driven behavior, so get used to seeing it around and dealing with it or you're going to have a horrible time.

 

[ciruji]

Stopped reading at Boston since it's self explanatory after that.

 

[wasteofspace323]

Have you ever considered that what you're defining as substance is, in fact it's own kind of masturbatory form of self-image?

Just food for thought.

 

[Dral]

Edit: once you pass specialty boards, get a license, and have practiced for a few years, then you have some bragging rights but if you're not there yet it's always better to keep humble .


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[Lost in Translation]

I get where OP is coming from; this is just like those PhiDE kids.

Let them do their thing, take comfort in knowing many won't make it, and carry on with your day.

 

[StudyLater]

Human beings really like to communicate. Dopamine/oxytocin receptors and all that.

And OP, you're the same. They posted selfies online. You started a thread online. Both out of a desire for some kind of validation.

 

[SnakeDoc9497]

Lol if you think that's a good exclusion for becoming a doctor you would have to wipe out nearly the entire student body of every med school. Pictures in white coats, with stethoscopes, about how they are learning to save lives as M1's is rampant in every med school I've heard of. Med school is filled with narcissistic, image-driven behavior, so get used to seeing it around and dealing with it or you're going to have a horrible time.

I'm not doubting you one bit there. I've seen enough of it in my own situations to whole-heartedly agree with you.

 

[SnakeDoc9497]

That behavior is consistent with their age group and isn't abnormal. You have to take such things into account before you label a behavioral motif as being pathological or predictive of their behavior in a professional setting.

I know, I know. Haha weren't we all freshmen once? I suppose this is just a topic that has always bothered me because I see it so much at my school. People plunging the air pumps attached to their own heads....

 

[Mad Jack]

You didn't read it. Taking selfies just to show off their Boston Children's logo like they are some big shot pre-med's. That narcissistic and image-driven behavior could mean some of them are unfit to be doctors. If they only care about the label or the "logo" this career places on their life who's to say their heart will be in it?

Kids are stupid, but eventually they grow up.

 

[Holmwood]

I know, I know. Haha weren't we all freshmen once? I suppose this is just a topic that has always bothered me because I see it so much at my school. People plunging the air pumps attached to their own heads....

 

[Satire5Texul]

LoL reminds me of emergency department volunteering. We were there for 10 min. Then 4 premeds gathered in a circle, loudly, discussing how much homework they have and how bad it is. and what major we are in. 2 min later "all of you go home".

I havent jumped any hurdles but the few people posting everyday on facebook "today we sutured a pig! - here's a pic !!"
"today was brutal !! lectures all day from early morning to 5 pm". 3/4 of those frequent posters have been in remediation for exams in M1 or M2.

The ones that are silent and have nothing to show for on social media. They are the ones actually making waves.

Regardless of age. Common sense how to act in a serious place like a hospital.
There might be someone loosing a loved one around the corner trying to get a grip on what is going on. You dont have to be a stern stick, but just remain neutral, show some excitement when appropriate and be self-aware.

 

[SnakeDoc9497]

LoL reminds me of emergency department volunteering. We were there for 10 min. Then 4 premeds gathered in a circle, loudly, discussing how much homework they have and how bad it is. and what major we are in. 2 min later "all of you go home".

I havent jumped any hurdles but the few people posting everyday on facebook "today we sutured a pig! - here's a pic !!"
"today was brutal !! lectures all day from early morning to 5 pm". 3/4 of those frequent posters have been in remediation for exams in M1 or M2.

The ones that are silent and have nothing to show for on social media. They are the ones actually making waves.

Regardless of age. Common sense how to act in a serious place like a hospital.
There might be someone loosing a loved one around the corner trying to get a grip on what is going on. You dont have to be a stern stick, but just remain neutral, show some excitement when appropriate and be self-aware.

Love it...well said and exactly how I have always felt. There is no honor in telling everyone around you're a pre-med. There's not even honor in telling everyone around you're a doctor. I think those who remain modest and humble about their work tend to retain mature motives for doing it.

 

[StudyLater]

LoL reminds me of emergency department volunteering. We were there for 10 min. Then 4 premeds gathered in a circle, loudly, discussing how much homework they have and how bad it is. and what major we are in. 2 min later "all of you go home".

I havent jumped any hurdles but the few people posting everyday on facebook "today we sutured a pig! - here's a pic !!"
"today was brutal !! lectures all day from early morning to 5 pm". 3/4 of those frequent posters have been in remediation for exams in M1 or M2.

The ones that are silent and have nothing to show for on social media. They are the ones actually making waves.

Regardless of age. Common sense how to act in a serious place like a hospital.
There might be someone loosing a loved one around the corner trying to get a grip on what is going on. You dont have to be a stern stick, but just remain neutral, show some excitement when appropriate and be self-aware.

Excitement and positive feelings of personal accomplishment are never appropriate in the context of a world that endures so much suffering at all times.

Stay humble. Never smile.

 

[StudyLater]

Love it...well said and exactly how I have always felt. There is no honor in telling everyone around you're a pre-med. There's not even honor in telling everyone around you're a doctor. I think those who remain modest and humble about their work tend to retain mature motives for doing it.

Or they're just as bad but only in secret, and the only reason they don't share with people is that they simply have no inclination to do so. Personally I am one of these people. I definitely don't keep my mouth shut to be "honorable." I just don't want to annoy people around me, mainly. Plus I derive little pleasure from "sharing" things anyway.

 

[Satire5Texul]

Excitement and positive feelings of personal accomplishment are never appropriate in the context of a world that endures so much suffering at all times.

Stay humble. Never smile.

This is exactly the predictable post of a cliche cynic I was careful to avoid.
Not to worry, more threads to come for people to clink clink their two pennies.

 

[StudyLater]

This is exactly the predictable post of a cliche cynic I was careful to avoid.
Not to worry, more threads to come for people to clink clink their two pennies.

Cultural relativism -- you tolerate it or you don't. A hospital is private property. If they don't want that kind of behavior there, they can escort such people off the premises. It's not really anyone else's problem. People who are suffering naturally get pissed at those who are happy - envy, anger at a lack of acknowledgement of their pain, or whatever it is. But legally and even culturally speaking, no one has any obligation here to yield to your suffering. It is a courtesy to do so, and a luxury for you to experience that coming from another individual other than yourself or those close to you.

No one has just the right amount of humility, because that amount is relative to the observer. Too humble and some will see you as weak/uncommunicative/lacking self-esteem. Not humble enough and people think you're cocky/obnoxious/insensitive. You're screwed either way, so do what you like.

 

[Satire5Texul]

Cultural relativism -- you tolerate it or you don't. A hospital is private property. If they don't want that kind of behavior there, they can escort such people off the premises. It's not really anyone else's problem. People who are suffering naturally get pissed at those who are happy - envy, anger at a lack of acknowledgement of their pain, or whatever it is. But legally and even culturally speaking, no one has any obligation here to yield to your suffering. It is a courtesy to do so, and a luxury for you to experience that coming from another individual other than yourself or those close to you.

No one has just the right amount of humility, because that amount is relative to the observer. Too humble and some will see you as weak/uncommunicative/lacking self-esteem. Not humble enough and people think you're cocky/obnoxious/insensitive. You're screwed either way, so do what you like.

U lost me at luxury. That word is never associated with my sympathy. Not do I assert legal ramifications around how I dose it out. The only luxury you have is that you are not going through the same.

That notion of "it's not my problem", is um....what a lot of people refer to being a particularly unuseful view of what it means to be a citizen, model physician.

I get cultural relativism. Not everyone is brought up the same, very true. I think a hospital has bigger worries than administration looking out for a selfie stick and loud premeds.

 

[NotWayneBrady]

It's not metaphorical then, it's hyperbolic. And your point still doesn't make any sense because you haven't demonstrated that any of your assertions regarding the relationship between egocentrism and selfies/social media usage are true.

 

[StudyLater]

U lost me at luxury. That word is never associated with my sympathy.

I'm just saying how it is. Obviously you'll do whatever you want. But I'm saying you don't have to provide anyone with sympathy. It is not a legal requirement for you to do so, and it is not necessarily culturally required that you must maintain a somber attitude in the presence of those who are suffering.

Nor do I assert legal ramifications around how I dose it out. The only luxury you have is that you are not going through the same

It's more just randomness that someone being happy in a hospital is not going through the same suffering as some others.

That notion of "it's not my problem", is um....what a lot of people refer to being a particularly unuseful view of what it means to be a citizen, model physician

I'm just saying it's legal and adherent to common culture. Many people act in this way, although they won't particularly advocate for it as an ideology.

I get cultural relativism. Not everyone is brought up the same, very true. I think a hospital has bigger worries than administration looking out for a selfie stick and loud premeds.

Sure, which is why it's not particularly inconveniencing anyone in the hospital or preventing anyone from doing their job. It might make certain people angry, but that is their own business.

 

[shallsen]

People often say things without thinking. There might be more substance underneath what people actually say, even if they don't display it.

 

[Satire5Texul]

I'm just saying how it is. Obviously you'll do whatever you want. But I'm saying you don't have to provide anyone with sympathy. It is not a legal requirement for you to do so, and it is not necessarily culturally required that you must maintain a somber attitude in the presence of those who are suffering.



It's more just randomness that someone being happy in a hospital is not going through the same suffering as some others.



I'm just saying it's legal and adherent to common culture. Many people act in this way, although they won't particularly advocate for it as an ideology.



Sure, which is why it's not particularly inconveniencing anyone in the hospital or preventing anyone from doing their job. It might make certain people angry, but that is their own business.

Actually you brought up a good point. What if u find out your spouse is not dying, but the person in the bed across has a terminal illness that is not treatable. I suppose a lot of social awareness would go out the window. You would be expressive regardless of people around you and their circumstances for the most part.

LoL this reminds me of people bowing down to Tim Tebows statue at graduation. And someone screaming out "This isn't Harvard!!".

I think we all need a little more badge of honor then I volunteer for free, whee look at me.

The psychology behind it is self-validation and ego munchie time.

 

[deleted407021]

Also, the title of this thread sounds like it was Google translated from Siamese or something.

 

[zero0]

They're just kids. Relax. Part of being a mature adult is smiling knowingly at the stupid things kids do instead of judging them for it.