Stem cell injections- regenexx vs ROW

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I only offer PRP at this time not stem cell.

However, I noticed that the regenexx people don’t just perform a single stem cell injection they do a series, so some kind of growth factors/nutrients a week or two before the actual stem cell injection.

Is there any significant evidence of benefit for the other injections beside the actual stem cell injections?
(I realize that the stem cells themselves are not completely “proven” either for peripheral joint OA)

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I only offer PRP at this time not stem cell.

However, I noticed that the regenexx people don’t just perform a single stem cell injection they do a series, so some kind of growth factors/nutrients a week or two before the actual stem cell injection.

Is there any significant evidence of benefit for the other injections beside the actual stem cell injections?
(I realize that the stem cells themselves are not completely “proven” either for peripheral joint OA)

Cells don't lie...

Am J Sports Med. 2023 Sep;51(11):3008-3024.
doi: 10.1177/03635465231187042. Epub 2023 Aug 2.

Donor-Matched Peripheral Blood-Derived Mesenchymal Stem Cells Combined With Platelet-Rich Plasma Synergistically Ameliorate Surgery-Induced Osteoarthritis in Rabbits: An In Vitro and In Vivo Study​

Kaibo Zhang 1, Tianhao Xu 1, Huiqi Xie 2, Jian Li 1, Weili Fu 1
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Abstract​

Background: Osteoarthritis (OA) is a common disease that causes joint pain and disability. Stem cell therapy is emerging as a promising treatment for OA.
Purpose: To evaluate the ability of peripheral blood-derived mesenchymal stem cells (PBMSCs) combined with donor-matched platelet-rich plasma (PRP) to treat OA in a rabbit model.
Study design: Controlled laboratory study.
Methods: PBMSCs and donor-matched PRP were isolated and prepared from the same rabbit. PBMSCs were treated with serum-free medium, fetal bovine serum, and PRP; a series of PBMSC behaviors, including proliferation, migration, and adhesion, were compared among groups. The ability of PBMSCs or PRP alone and PBMSCs+PRP to protect chondrocytes against proinflammatory cytokine (interleukin 1β [IL-1β]) treatment was compared by analyzing reactive oxygen species (ROS)-scavenging ability and apoptosis. Real-time quantitative polymerase chain reaction and immunofluorescence were used to investigate the expression of extracellular matrix (ECM) metabolism genes and proteins, and Western blotting was used to explore the potential mechanism of the corresponding signaling pathway. In vivo, the effect of PBMSCs+PRP on cartilage and inflammation of the synovium was observed in a surgery-induced OA rabbit model via gross observation, histological and immunohistochemical staining, and enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay.
Results: Proliferation, migration, and adhesion ability were enhanced in PBMSCs treated with PRP. Moreover, compared with either PBMSCs or PRP alone, PBMSCs+PRP enhanced ROS-scavenging ability and inhibited apoptosis in IL-1β-treated chondrocytes. PBMSCs+PRP also reversed the IL-1β-induced degradation of collagen type 2 and aggrecan and increased expression of matrix metalloproteinase 13, and this effect was related to increased expression of ECM synthesis and decreased expression of degradation and inflammatory genes and proteins. Mechanistically, PBMSCs+PRP reduced the phosphorylation of inhibitor of nuclear factor-κBα (IκBα), which further inhibited the phosphorylation of downstream nuclear factor-κB (NF-κB) in the NF-κB signaling pathway. In vivo, compared with PBMSCs or PRP alone, intra-articular (IA) injection of PBMSCs+PRP enhanced cartilage regeneration and attenuated synovial inflammation in OA-induced rabbits.
Conclusion: These results demonstrate that PRP could enhance biological activities, including viability, migration, and adhesion, in PBMSCs. PBMSCs+PRP could rescue ECM degeneration by inhibiting inflammatory signaling in IL-1β-treated OA chondrocytes. In addition, IA injection of PBMSCs+PRP effectively attenuated OA progression in a surgery-induced OA rabbit model.
Clinical relevance: PBMSCs+PRP may provide a promising treatment for knee OA, and this study can advance the related basic research.
Keywords: chondrocytes; osteoarthritis; peripheral blood mesenchymal stem cells; platelet-rich plasma.


Tissue Cell. 2023 Aug;83:102144.
doi: 10.1016/j.tice.2023.102144. Epub 2023 Jun 20.

Periosteum-derived skeletal stem cells encapsulated in platelet-rich plasma enhance the repair of bone defect​

Haibo Dai 1, Haici Zhang 1, Zhilong Qiu 1, Qiang Shi 2
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Free article

Abstract​

Background: Spontaneous restoration of large bone defects remains a challenge under infections, tumors, and crushing conditions. Current stem cell-based therapies for treating bone defects need improvement, because the used stem cells are isolated by a traditional protocol, which is based on their properties of in-vitro plastic adherence and fibroblastic colony formation. The stem cells isolated by the traditional protocol belong to a multicellular type mixture, individual cells vary in proliferative and osteogenic potential. Thus, developing a protocol capable of isolating stem cell subset with higher purity is required and urgent.
Aim: This study aimed to sort a subpopulation of stem cells from periosteum using flow cytometry (named as FC-PSCs), and evaluate the proliferative and osteogenic capacity of FC-PSCs in-vitro, and then establish a new stem cell-based therapies for treating bone defects by delivering the FC-PSCs within platelet-rich plasma (PRP).
Methods: Mouse periosteum was used to sort FC-PSCs using flow cytometry with CD45-TER119-TIE2-ITGAV+CD90 + 6C3-CD105- markers, or isolate periosteum-derived stem cells with the traditional protocol (TP-PSCs) as control. After evaluating the FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation in-vitro as well as the promotive efficacy of platelet-rich plasma (PRP) on FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation, the FC-PSCs were delivered into the femoral epiphysis bone defect site of a mouse model by platelet-rich plasma (PRP). At postoperative 14 or 28 days, these mice were euthanized for harvest the femur specimens for micro-CT, histological evaluation.
Results: In-vitro results determined that the FC-PSCs showed more capacity for proliferation and osteogenic differentiation compared with the TP-PSCs. In addition, in-vitro results showed the promotive efficacy of PRP on FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation. In-vivo results showed that the FC-PSCs delivered by PRP was able to facilitate the repair of bone defects by stimulating new bone formation and remodeling.
Conclusion: FC-PSCs delivered by PRP enhance the repair of bone defects by stimulating new bone formation and remodeling.
Keywords: Bone defect; Periosteum; Platelet-rich plasma; Skeletal stem cells.


Pathol Res Pract. 2023 Aug;248:154575.
doi: 10.1016/j.prp.2023.154575. Epub 2023 May 26.

Supporting wound healing by mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) therapy in combination with scaffold, hydrogel, and matrix; State of the art​

Bayu Indra Sukmana 1, Ria Margiana 2, Yasir Qasim Almajidi 3, Sami G Almalki 4, Ahmed Hjazi 5, Sana Shahab 6, Rosario Mireya Romero-Parra 7, Adeeb Abdulally Abdulhussien Alazbjee 8, Afa Alkhayyat 9, Vivek John 10
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Abstract​

Non-healing wounds impose a huge annual cost on the survival of different countries and large populations in the world. Wound healing is a complex and multi-step process, the speed and quality of which can be changed by various factors. To promote wound healing, compounds such as platelet-rich plasma, growth factors, platelet lysate, scaffolds, matrix, hydrogel, and cell therapy, in particular, with mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) are suggested. Nowadays, the use of MSCs has attracted a lot of attention. These cells can induce their effect by direct effect and secretion of exosomes. On the other hand, scaffolds, matrix, and hydrogels provide suitable conditions for wound healing and the growth, proliferation, differentiation, and secretion of cells. In addition to generating suitable conditions for wound healing, the combination of biomaterials and MSCs increases the function of these cells at the site of injury by favoring their survival, proliferation, differentiation, and paracrine activity. In addition, other compounds such as glycol, sodium alginate/collagen hydrogel, chitosan, peptide, timolol, and poly(vinyl) alcohol can be used along with these treatments to increase the effectiveness of treatments in wound healing. In this review article, we take a glimpse into the merging scaffolds, hydrogels, and matrix application with MSCs therapy to favor wound healing.
Keywords: Cell therapy; Hydrogel; Matrix; Mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs); Scaffold; Wound healing.
 
3rd one is a position paper. not really that helpful.

2nd one is mouse model and looks interesting. problem is - they looked specifically at an acute injury model, and not sure how applicable it is other than an acute injury. all acute injury victims had bone healing - the FC-PSCs@PRP group (those with stem cells injected with essentially carrier PRP) did have faster healing than the control group.

same thing with the first study (tho rabbit model). the PRP is thought to improve survival of the MSC.



seems like the articles are saying that stem cells by themselves are ineffective, but stem cells with PRP is more effective than PRP alone or nothing.



of note these injections were given at the same time, not separately. the 2 studies were specifically clear that the media (PRP) was important for MSC survival. i can't conclude that the PRP a week before - other than as a money grab - would be indicated based on these 2 studies.
 
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3rd one is a position paper. not really that helpful.

2nd one is mouse model and looks interesting. problem is - they looked specifically at an acute injury model, and not sure how applicable it is other than an acute injury. all acute injury victims had bone healing - the FC-PSCs@PRP group (those with stem cells injected with essentially carrier PRP) did have faster healing than the control group.

same thing with the first study (tho rabbit model). the PRP is thought to improve survival of the MSC.



seems like the articles are saying that stem cells by themselves are ineffective, but stem cells with PRP is more effective than PRP alone or nothing.



of note these injections were given at the same time, not separately. the 2 studies were specifically clear that the media (PRP) was important for MSC survival. i can't conclude that the PRP a week before - other than as a money grab - would be indicated based on these 2 studies.

You give BMAC and PRP at the same time and then PRP alone again later.
 
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Cells don't lie...

Am J Sports Med. 2023 Sep;51(11):3008-3024.
doi: 10.1177/03635465231187042. Epub 2023 Aug 2.

Donor-Matched Peripheral Blood-Derived Mesenchymal Stem Cells Combined With Platelet-Rich Plasma Synergistically Ameliorate Surgery-Induced Osteoarthritis in Rabbits: An In Vitro and In Vivo Study​

Kaibo Zhang 1, Tianhao Xu 1, Huiqi Xie 2, Jian Li 1, Weili Fu 1
Affiliations expand

Abstract​

Background: Osteoarthritis (OA) is a common disease that causes joint pain and disability. Stem cell therapy is emerging as a promising treatment for OA.
Purpose: To evaluate the ability of peripheral blood-derived mesenchymal stem cells (PBMSCs) combined with donor-matched platelet-rich plasma (PRP) to treat OA in a rabbit model.
Study design: Controlled laboratory study.
Methods: PBMSCs and donor-matched PRP were isolated and prepared from the same rabbit. PBMSCs were treated with serum-free medium, fetal bovine serum, and PRP; a series of PBMSC behaviors, including proliferation, migration, and adhesion, were compared among groups. The ability of PBMSCs or PRP alone and PBMSCs+PRP to protect chondrocytes against proinflammatory cytokine (interleukin 1β [IL-1β]) treatment was compared by analyzing reactive oxygen species (ROS)-scavenging ability and apoptosis. Real-time quantitative polymerase chain reaction and immunofluorescence were used to investigate the expression of extracellular matrix (ECM) metabolism genes and proteins, and Western blotting was used to explore the potential mechanism of the corresponding signaling pathway. In vivo, the effect of PBMSCs+PRP on cartilage and inflammation of the synovium was observed in a surgery-induced OA rabbit model via gross observation, histological and immunohistochemical staining, and enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay.
Results: Proliferation, migration, and adhesion ability were enhanced in PBMSCs treated with PRP. Moreover, compared with either PBMSCs or PRP alone, PBMSCs+PRP enhanced ROS-scavenging ability and inhibited apoptosis in IL-1β-treated chondrocytes. PBMSCs+PRP also reversed the IL-1β-induced degradation of collagen type 2 and aggrecan and increased expression of matrix metalloproteinase 13, and this effect was related to increased expression of ECM synthesis and decreased expression of degradation and inflammatory genes and proteins. Mechanistically, PBMSCs+PRP reduced the phosphorylation of inhibitor of nuclear factor-κBα (IκBα), which further inhibited the phosphorylation of downstream nuclear factor-κB (NF-κB) in the NF-κB signaling pathway. In vivo, compared with PBMSCs or PRP alone, intra-articular (IA) injection of PBMSCs+PRP enhanced cartilage regeneration and attenuated synovial inflammation in OA-induced rabbits.
Conclusion: These results demonstrate that PRP could enhance biological activities, including viability, migration, and adhesion, in PBMSCs. PBMSCs+PRP could rescue ECM degeneration by inhibiting inflammatory signaling in IL-1β-treated OA chondrocytes. In addition, IA injection of PBMSCs+PRP effectively attenuated OA progression in a surgery-induced OA rabbit model.
Clinical relevance: PBMSCs+PRP may provide a promising treatment for knee OA, and this study can advance the related basic research.
Keywords: chondrocytes; osteoarthritis; peripheral blood mesenchymal stem cells; platelet-rich plasma.


Tissue Cell. 2023 Aug;83:102144.
doi: 10.1016/j.tice.2023.102144. Epub 2023 Jun 20.

Periosteum-derived skeletal stem cells encapsulated in platelet-rich plasma enhance the repair of bone defect​

Haibo Dai 1, Haici Zhang 1, Zhilong Qiu 1, Qiang Shi 2
Affiliations expand
Free article

Abstract​

Background: Spontaneous restoration of large bone defects remains a challenge under infections, tumors, and crushing conditions. Current stem cell-based therapies for treating bone defects need improvement, because the used stem cells are isolated by a traditional protocol, which is based on their properties of in-vitro plastic adherence and fibroblastic colony formation. The stem cells isolated by the traditional protocol belong to a multicellular type mixture, individual cells vary in proliferative and osteogenic potential. Thus, developing a protocol capable of isolating stem cell subset with higher purity is required and urgent.
Aim: This study aimed to sort a subpopulation of stem cells from periosteum using flow cytometry (named as FC-PSCs), and evaluate the proliferative and osteogenic capacity of FC-PSCs in-vitro, and then establish a new stem cell-based therapies for treating bone defects by delivering the FC-PSCs within platelet-rich plasma (PRP).
Methods: Mouse periosteum was used to sort FC-PSCs using flow cytometry with CD45-TER119-TIE2-ITGAV+CD90 + 6C3-CD105- markers, or isolate periosteum-derived stem cells with the traditional protocol (TP-PSCs) as control. After evaluating the FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation in-vitro as well as the promotive efficacy of platelet-rich plasma (PRP) on FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation, the FC-PSCs were delivered into the femoral epiphysis bone defect site of a mouse model by platelet-rich plasma (PRP). At postoperative 14 or 28 days, these mice were euthanized for harvest the femur specimens for micro-CT, histological evaluation.
Results: In-vitro results determined that the FC-PSCs showed more capacity for proliferation and osteogenic differentiation compared with the TP-PSCs. In addition, in-vitro results showed the promotive efficacy of PRP on FC-PSCs proliferation and osteogenic differentiation. In-vivo results showed that the FC-PSCs delivered by PRP was able to facilitate the repair of bone defects by stimulating new bone formation and remodeling.
Conclusion: FC-PSCs delivered by PRP enhance the repair of bone defects by stimulating new bone formation and remodeling.
Keywords: Bone defect; Periosteum; Platelet-rich plasma; Skeletal stem cells.


Pathol Res Pract. 2023 Aug;248:154575.
doi: 10.1016/j.prp.2023.154575. Epub 2023 May 26.

Supporting wound healing by mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) therapy in combination with scaffold, hydrogel, and matrix; State of the art​

Bayu Indra Sukmana 1, Ria Margiana 2, Yasir Qasim Almajidi 3, Sami G Almalki 4, Ahmed Hjazi 5, Sana Shahab 6, Rosario Mireya Romero-Parra 7, Adeeb Abdulally Abdulhussien Alazbjee 8, Afa Alkhayyat 9, Vivek John 10
Affiliations expand

Abstract​

Non-healing wounds impose a huge annual cost on the survival of different countries and large populations in the world. Wound healing is a complex and multi-step process, the speed and quality of which can be changed by various factors. To promote wound healing, compounds such as platelet-rich plasma, growth factors, platelet lysate, scaffolds, matrix, hydrogel, and cell therapy, in particular, with mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) are suggested. Nowadays, the use of MSCs has attracted a lot of attention. These cells can induce their effect by direct effect and secretion of exosomes. On the other hand, scaffolds, matrix, and hydrogels provide suitable conditions for wound healing and the growth, proliferation, differentiation, and secretion of cells. In addition to generating suitable conditions for wound healing, the combination of biomaterials and MSCs increases the function of these cells at the site of injury by favoring their survival, proliferation, differentiation, and paracrine activity. In addition, other compounds such as glycol, sodium alginate/collagen hydrogel, chitosan, peptide, timolol, and poly(vinyl) alcohol can be used along with these treatments to increase the effectiveness of treatments in wound healing. In this review article, we take a glimpse into the merging scaffolds, hydrogels, and matrix application with MSCs therapy to favor wound healing.
Keywords: Cell therapy; Hydrogel; Matrix; Mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs); Scaffold; Wound healing.
People $elling the $tem $cells lie. ALL THE TIME.
 
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WA HCA is ground zero for therapeutic nihilism. They don't cover Stim or Stem. They will cover fusion. If you ever wondered what "Medicare for All" would really look like, move to Washington State, drop a bag of concrete on your foot at work, and file an L&I claim.

Elections have consequences.

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I mean I work for a non-profit hospital and am not sure if I can charge cash for the PRP or stem cell injections as most insurance is not covering it. Is anyone doing this in a non-profit hospital setting?
 
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I mean I work for a non-profit hospital and am not sure if I can charge cash for the PRP or stem cell injections as most insurance is not covering it. Is anyone doing this in a non-profit hospital setting?

Doctodd mentioned the Mayo Clinic. Seems like a lot of non profits do these injections.
 
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Yes they can be done at non profit. I work for community hospital (employed) and patients pay cash for PRP and we get an associated wrvu attached to it.
 
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I mean I work for a non-profit hospital and am not sure if I can charge cash for the PRP or stem cell injections as most insurance is not covering it. Is anyone doing this in a non-profit hospital setting?
we just got this set up after nearly a decade of trying. Cash pay procedure. MD gets % of cash pay. Interesting they did it this way, as all else is RVU.
 
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Yes they can be done at non profit. I work for community hospital (employed) and patients pay cash for PRP and we get an associated wrvu attached to it.
can you elaborate on the wRVU value you get. is it just the regular injection value or more?
 
we just got this set up after nearly a decade of trying. Cash pay procedure. MD gets % of cash pay. Interesting they did it this way, as all else is RVU.
that's very interesting, they won't do that for us here. can I ask what percentage the MD gets?
 
can you elaborate on the wRVU value you get. is it just the regular injection value or more?
3 wRVU for single peripheral joint. Not currently offering anything for the spine. Not sure where they came up with that number but it’s clearly a fraction of what the patient pays upfront. Our ortho group uses same numbers.
 
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They're ripping you off.
Yeah I’m aware. I wasn’t present for negotiations. I don’t do too much anyway but some patients do request it despite limited evidence.
 
3rd one is a position paper. not really that helpful.

2nd one is mouse model and looks interesting. problem is - they looked specifically at an acute injury model, and not sure how applicable it is other than an acute injury. all acute injury victims had bone healing - the FC-PSCs@PRP group (those with stem cells injected with essentially carrier PRP) did have faster healing than the control group.

same thing with the first study (tho rabbit model). the PRP is thought to improve survival of the MSC.



seems like the articles are saying that stem cells by themselves are ineffective, but stem cells with PRP is more effective than PRP alone or nothing.



of note these injections were given at the same time, not separately. the 2 studies were specifically clear that the media (PRP) was important for MSC survival. i can't conclude that the PRP a week before - other than as a money grab - would be indicated based on these 2 studies.

Hum Cell.
2023 Oct 3.
doi: 10.1007/s13577-023-00989-1. Online ahead of print.

Activation of cell adhesion and migration is an early event of platelet-rich plasma (PRP)-dependent stimulation of human adipose-derived stem/stromal cells​

Michika Fukui 1, Fangyuan Lai 2, Masakatsu Hihara 2, Toshihito Mitsui 2, Yuki Matsuoka 2, Zhongxin Sun 2, Sakurako Kunieda 2, Shigeru Taketani 2, Tokifumi Odaka 3, Kazu Okuma 3, Natsuko Kakudo 2
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Stem cell therapy is a promising treatment in regenerative medicine. Human adipose-derived stem/stromal cells (hASCs), a type of mesenchymal stem cell, are easy to harvest. In plastic and aesthetic surgery, hASC may be applied in the treatment of fat grafting, wound healing, and scar remodeling. Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) contains various growth factors, including platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF), which accelerates wound healing. We previously reported that PRP promotes the proliferation of hASC via multiple signaling pathways, and we evaluated the effect of PRP on the stimulation of hASC adhesion and migration, leading to the proliferation of these cells. When hASCs were treated with PRP, AKT, ERK1/2, paxillin and RhoA were rapidly activated. PRP treatment led to the formation of F-actin stress fibers. Strong signals for integrin β1, paxillin and RhoA at the cell periphery of RPR-treated cells indicated focal adhesion. PRP promoted cell adhesion and movement of hASC, compared with the control group. Imatinib, an inhibitor of the PDGF receptor tyrosine kinase, inhibited the promotion of PRP-dependent cell migration. PDGF treatment of hASCs also stimulated cell adhesion and migration but to a lesser extent than PRP treatment. PRP promoted the adhesion and the migration of hASC, mediated by the activation of AKT in the integrin signaling pathway. PRP treatment was more effective than PDGF treatment in enhancing cell migration. Thus, the ability of PRPs to promote migration of hASC to enhance cell growth is evident.

Keywords: Cell migration; Human adipose-derived stem/stromal cells (hASCs); Platelet-rich plasma (PRP); Signal network.
 
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