The Most Ridiculously Expensive Dental Schools Thread

[mwuazama]

I disagree, but I may be biased as a MWU-AZ student. I was accepted to 5 programs (including 3 public and 1 with a scholarship) and this was the best of them in my opinion. I don't mind paying more for things when I receive actual value for my investment. We do things at this school that no other program offers and it is largely thanks to that busy clinic and an accelerated academic schedule which makes us competent dentists by the end of the 3rd year. Our 4th year is intended as a built-in residency. Basically, MWU-AZ is UoP + 1 year for enhanced clinical competence.

If you are going to pay a lot for dental school (which you almost certainly will unless you live somewhere like Texas or Mississippi and can get into those schools), then make the most of it and go to a great school. I know of many dentists who have to fork over THOUSANDS for CE in Cerec, who have done very little work with veneers, who take CE for Invisalign, etc. I have heard of some programs (which are also very expensive) where students fight for chairs in the clinic, where students are punished for no-show appointments, and where students fail to graduate on time because they can't complete the minimum number of procedures. Some of these same programs give their students experience with only a handful of crown preps before they graduate, a few extractions, and the complex stuff gets passed off to the specialty programs. We have no specialty programs, and when we get a complex case to be seen by OMFS we don't refer out like some schools which advertise that they also lack specialty programs. Instead, we take the patient to the advanced clinic ourselves and our staff OMFS assists us on the procedure. The same is true for endo, perio, etc.

Students here extract hundreds of teeth, we are certified in Invisalign, implants, laser (hard and soft tissue) at the end of our 2nd year and we have 20 Cerecs to share unlike most schools which have 2 or 3 if any at all. That means we don't need to take CE just to learn how to use Cerec. I know a couple of dentists who had to do that and it cost them a lot (travel, lost wages, plus the cost of attendance).

Is it expensive? Yes. Are we receiving the best clinical education in the nation? I believe so. I attended 9 interviews and asked students which school they would go to if not the one they were at. The school which received the most praise by far was MWU-AZ.

There are so many things wrong with this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how MWU clinic operates. What year are you there? Probably 1st, maybe 2nd? I'm a 4th year there.

who have done very little work with veneers

70% of the clinic has not done a single veneer. This is a dental school clinic, cosmetic work is mainly for the wealthy.

We have no specialty programs, and when we get a complex case to be seen by OMFS we don't refer out like some schools which advertise that they also lack specialty programs. Instead, we take the patient to the advanced clinic ourselves and our staff OMFS assists us on the procedure. The same is true for endo, perio, etc.

The OMFS assists us? No we have several OS residents who do the work and WE ASSIST THEM while the OMFS teaches them how to do the 3rd molar extraction, implant, flap etc. Do you seriously think the endodontist will assist us while we do a complicated root canal? Or the periodontist will allow us to do the distal wedge procedure? We are not trained to do these! Why on earth would they let you do procedures that you do not have training in? This is a school not a science experiment. Things are referred out for a reason. Now certain medium difficulty may be done by us with the OMFS guiding us but best believe the OS residents are first in line to do any procedure they want.

Students here extract hundreds of teeth

100s? No the average might be 20. Maybe 30 but that's really pushing it. Still a good amount of teeth but not 200+ as your post suggest.

we are certified in Invisalign, implants, laser (hard and soft tissue) at the end of our 2nd year

We receive bicon training but we are not certified to place implants. Very few students have ever done an osteotomy (where you drill the hole for the implant to go into) and no way should it be an expectation that you'll be allowed to do one. Perhaps 5 out of 140 will get to do 1 osteotomy under very strict supervision. These 5 are allowed to do it because they took an actually implant training course in Colombian (yes the country) or Las Vegas where the forked out their own money 10-15k to get the training. The implants are for the OS residents to do. So yes you will have to take implant CE to do implants when you graduate. Again, this is a dental school, not a science experiment.

Is it expensive? Yes. Are we receiving the best clinical education in the nation? I believe so.

I agree with this. We receive a lot of clinical experience. BUT the amount of work that the average MWU student does here is equal to about 2 months of private practice. The general understanding in this school is we do twice as much work as other schools. So that gives us 1 month head start in terms of experience in private practice and also a few CEs. Is this worth the extra 200k or so?

Our 4th year is intended as a built-in residency.

No just no.

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[Panis et Circenses]

There are so many things wrong with this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how MWU clinic operates. What year are you there? Probably 1st, maybe 2nd? I'm a 4th year there.


70% of the clinic has not done a single veneer. This is a dental school clinic, cosmetic work is mainly for the wealthy.



The OMFS assists us? No we have several OS residents who do the work and WE ASSIST THEM while the OMFS teaches them how to do the 3rd molar extraction, implant, flap etc. Do you seriously think the endodontist will assist us while we do a complicated root canal? Or the periodontist will allow us to do the distal wedge procedure? We are not trained to do these! Why on earth would they let you do procedures that you do not have training in? This is a school not a science experiment. Things are referred out for a reason. Now certain medium difficulty may be done by us with the OMFS guiding us but best believe the OS residents are first in line to do any procedure they want.


100s? No the average might be 20. Maybe 30 but that's really pushing it. Still a good amount of teeth but not 200+ as your post suggest.


We receive bicon training but we are not certified to place implants. Very few students have ever done an osteotomy (where you drill the hole for the implant to go into) and no way should it be an expectation that you'll be allowed to do one. Perhaps 5 out of 140 will get to do 1 osteotomy under very strict supervision. These 5 are allowed to do it because they took an actually implant training course in Colombian (yes the country) or Las Vegas where the forked out their own money 10-15k to get the training. The implants are for the OS residents to do. So yes you will have to take implant CE to do implants when you graduate. Again, this is a dental school, not a science experiment.



I agree with this. We receive a lot of clinical experience. BUT the amount of work that the average MWU student does here is equal to about 2 months of private practice. The general understanding in this school is we do twice as much work as other schools. So that gives us 1 month head start in terms of experience in private practice and also a few CEs. Is this worth the extra 200k or so?




No just no.

Thank you @mwuazama for exposing that post made by @Cello. My BS radar was going out of control when I read it, and I now I'm glad someone with the knowledge took the time to debunk it. Cello was simply trying to justify going to a maddeningly expensive school, to try to soothe the cognitive dissonance he/she is feeling right now. Thank you for doing this.

 

[DreamingOfDentistry]

Thank you mwuazama for exposing that post made by Cello. My BS radar was going out of control when I read it, and I now I'm glad someone with the knowledge took the time to debunk it. Cello was simply trying to justify going to a maddeningly expensive school, to try to soothe the cognitive dissonance he/she is feeling right now. Thank you for doing this.

SAVAGE
LOL!!!!!

 

[deleted696582]

This thread makes me so anxious, even with in-state options.

 

[Incis0r]

One of the main reasons I was considering attending MWU-AZ (on an HPSP) was the impressive reputation it had generated regarding its clinical experience.

I found the following post by mwuazama from earlier and thought I'd share here:

Another thing I would like to add is that although the perception is that you will get more clinical experience here at MWU than other schools, this could or could not be the case for you. I have done a good number of procedures so far but some other classmates have not. It really depends on the luck of the draw really. The other thing is that the spread-out of the procedures will be VERY uneven. Yes there will be students graduating with 60 crowns but those very students might have done only 1 root canal or 1 full denture. Once again I reiterate that there are 4th years who have not done a single endo procedure yet. So they will likely be graduating with just 1 or 2 endos while other schools may have a minimum requirement of 5 endos.

 

[321931]

This thread makes me so anxious, even with in-state options.

As it should. Today I'm making about 300$ take home. The other few days have been slow at 400-500. Oh well I'm done with loans so I just chill. 500k in the hole and 300$ day? I would be crying. 30$ an hour for a graduate education.

Meh. Owning your practice is where money is at but even that is getting is hard.

 

[deleted696582]

As it should. Today I'm making about 300$ take home. The other few days have been slow at 400-500. Oh well I'm done with loans so I just chill. 500k in the hole and 300$ day? I would be crying. 30$ an hour for a graduate education.

Meh. Owning your practice is where money is at but even that is getting is hard.

The idea of setting up your own practice while shouldering 400k in debt is crazy. When did you graduate? Do you own your own practice?

 

[Panis et Circenses]

One of the main reasons I was considering attending MWU-AZ (on an HPSP) was the impressive reputation it had generated regarding its clinical experience.

I found the following post by mwuazama from earlier and thought I'd share here:

Thanks @Incis0r. I could be wrong, but I think the level of clinical training from every school should be pretty good (or at least the same level of bad - if you see it that way). I would be surprised if any one school was that much better than any other. In the long run, what you do after school will be leaps and bounds more important to clinical development than what you learned in school. Every school is going to want to claim they have the best clinical experience anyway.

 

[Cello]

There are so many things wrong with this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how MWU clinic operates. What year are you there? Probably 1st, maybe 2nd? I'm a 4th year there.

D1

70% of the clinic has not done a single veneer. This is a dental school clinic, cosmetic work is mainly for the wealthy.

Thanks for clearing that up, it was only what I had been told by more senior classmates.

The OMFS assists us? No we have several OS residents who do the work and WE ASSIST THEM while the OMFS teaches them how to do the 3rd molar extraction, implant, flap etc.

This confuses me, particularly because there are only 2 residency slots available each year and though I imagine they rotate through our clinic it seems that so few residents would still leave plenty of work for the rest of us. Is that incorrect? The residents work out of Banner for the most part as I understand it.

We are told that we have no specialty programs at the school, that we do not refer out cases except under exceptional circumstances (which was said to be rare) and that we work with staff specialists in the advanced clinic for such procedures.

Do you seriously think the endodontist will assist us while we do a complicated root canal? Or the periodontist will allow us to do the distal wedge procedure? We are not trained to do these! Why on earth would they let you do procedures that you do not have training in? This is a school not a science experiment. Things are referred out for a reason. Now certain medium difficulty may be done by us with the OMFS guiding us but best believe the OS residents are first in line to do any procedure they want.

So telling students that we don't have specialty programs and that we don't often refer out was lacking in 'truthiness'? It seems that you are contradicting what we have been told by staff and students alike.

100s? No the average might be 20. Maybe 30 but that's really pushing it. Still a good amount of teeth but not 200+ as your post suggest.

Good to know that some of the upperclassmen have exaggerated their numbers. I was quoted "130" by an upperclassman during my interview date who was referring to a D4 last year, so I suppose he was straight lying? Too bad you couldn't have called him out for it.

We receive bicon training but we are not certified to place implants.

This directly contradicts one of our pre-clinical professors. Maybe things are changing for our class?

Very few students have ever done an osteotomy (where you drill the hole for the implant to go into) and no way should it be an expectation that you'll be allowed to do one. Perhaps 5 out of 140 will get to do 1 osteotomy under very strict supervision.

We were told that we will all place implants. I admit that I am not entirely sure what that entails.

These 5 are allowed to do it because they took an actually implant training course in Colombian (yes the country) or Las Vegas where the forked out their own money 10-15k to get the training. The implants are for the OS residents to do. So yes you will have to take implant CE to do implants when you graduate. Again, this is a dental school, not a science experiment.

That is interesting, but I will point out again that you are contradicting the faculty at your own school as well as other upperclassmen. You are saying that the number who attain certification is capped at 5?

I have talked to other upperclassmen who have placed more than a handful of implants, but of course that is not my own personal experience, only what I have heard from them.

I agree with this. We receive a lot of clinical experience. BUT the amount of work that the average MWU student does here is equal to about 2 months of private practice. The general understanding in this school is we do twice as much work as other schools. So that gives us 1 month head start in terms of experience in private practice and also a few CEs. Is this worth the extra 200k or so?

No just no.

I would be happy to privately speak with you about the professors and administrators who told us that our program was designed as a 3 year program with the 4th year as a built-in residency. That was a big part of my decision to attend MWU-AZ over UoP (which is an actual bonafide 3 year program).

I won't pretend that I know more about the clinic, the school, or dentistry in general than you do because obviously I don't. What I take issue with is the fact that you thought it wise to rebuke a junior class member on a public forum by calling into question many of this school's major (and very publicly stated) selling points. Really, a simple PM could have sufficed if you were concerned about the way I represented our school.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

I see it as more of a correction so people aren't misinformed by what you wrote @Cello, and not as an attack. No need to take it personally.

 

[Incis0r]

There are so many things wrong with this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how MWU clinic operates. What year are you there? Probably 1st, maybe 2nd? I'm a 4th year there.


70% of the clinic has not done a single veneer. This is a dental school clinic, cosmetic work is mainly for the wealthy.



The OMFS assists us? No we have several OS residents who do the work and WE ASSIST THEM while the OMFS teaches them how to do the 3rd molar extraction, implant, flap etc. Do you seriously think the endodontist will assist us while we do a complicated root canal? Or the periodontist will allow us to do the distal wedge procedure? We are not trained to do these! Why on earth would they let you do procedures that you do not have training in? This is a school not a science experiment. Things are referred out for a reason. Now certain medium difficulty may be done by us with the OMFS guiding us but best believe the OS residents are first in line to do any procedure they want.


100s? No the average might be 20. Maybe 30 but that's really pushing it. Still a good amount of teeth but not 200+ as your post suggest.


We receive bicon training but we are not certified to place implants. Very few students have ever done an osteotomy (where you drill the hole for the implant to go into) and no way should it be an expectation that you'll be allowed to do one. Perhaps 5 out of 140 will get to do 1 osteotomy under very strict supervision. These 5 are allowed to do it because they took an actually implant training course in Colombian (yes the country) or Las Vegas where the forked out their own money 10-15k to get the training. The implants are for the OS residents to do. So yes you will have to take implant CE to do implants when you graduate. Again, this is a dental school, not a science experiment.



I agree with this. We receive a lot of clinical experience. BUT the amount of work that the average MWU student does here is equal to about 2 months of private practice. The general understanding in this school is we do twice as much work as other schools. So that gives us 1 month head start in terms of experience in private practice and also a few CEs. Is this worth the extra 200k or so?




No just no.

D1



Thanks for clearing that up, it was only what I had been told by more senior classmates.



This confuses me, particularly because there are only 2 residency slots available each year. The residents work out of Banner as I understand it, so why are they in the MWU clinic? I was stating what I had been told by clinic faculty. You are telling me a very different story than what we as D1s have been told and apparently you are willing to go on public record as contradicting administration and faculty with your statements.

We are told that we have no specialty programs at the school, that we do not refer out cases except under exceptional circumstances (which was said to be rare) and we work with staff specialists in the advanced dentistry clinic for such procedures. You are saying that was all a lie or that our school is misrepresenting things?



Then telling students that we don't have specialty programs and that we don't refer out was untruthful. It seems that you are again contradicting what we have been told by staff and students and I find that concerning.



Good to know that some of the upperclassmen have exaggerated their numbers. I was quoted "130" by an upperclassman during my interview date who was referring to a D4 last year, so I suppose he was straight lying. Too bad you couldn't have called him out for it.



This directly contradicts one of our pre-clinical professors.



Yet another contradiction of our professors who have said that we will all place implants.



That is fine, and I am glad that you are here to pimp the D1 because that probably makes you feel better somehow, but I will point out yet again that you are contradicting the faculty at your own school as well as other upperclassmen.



I would be very happy to speak with you about the students, professors, and administrators who told us that our program was designed as a 3 year program with the 4th year as a built-in residency. That was a big part of my decision to attend MWU-AZ over UoP (which is an actual bonafide 3 year program) and I spoke with a lot of people (including other students) who have different ideas than you do. If you do choose to chat about those people and their claims then we should really do so in private as this is clearly no longer a public matter.

I won't pretend that I know more about the clinic, the school, or dentistry in general than you do because obviously I don't. What I take issue with is the fact that you somehow thought it wise and professional to chastise a junior class member on a public forum by calling into question all of this school's major (and very publicly stated) selling points. Frankly, I question your judgment to openly attack a fellow student when a simple PM could have sufficed.

@fogorvostan , as a D1 over at MWU-AZ, which interpretation do you agree with more-that of @Cello or that of @mwuazama ? This is critical to me as a prospective MWU-AZ dental student because I have been hearing a lot of what Cello has heard, but mwuazama has A LOT of credibility based on his/her previous posts.

@jeffity are you still active on SDN? I remember you being quite knowledgable on MWU-AZ's program. What are your thoughts?

Also calling in anyone else who attends MWU-AZ:
@akwuiuc
@sockerbayb

 

[Cello]

I see it as more of a correction so people aren't misinformed by what you wrote @Cello, and not as an attack. No need to take it personally.

Which is why you chose to write the following:

Thank you @mwuazama for exposing that post made by @Cello. My BS radar was going out of control when I read it, and I now I'm glad someone with the knowledge took the time to debunk it. Cello was simply trying to justify going to a maddeningly expensive school, to try to soothe the cognitive dissonance he/she is feeling right now. Thank you for doing this.

No one is fooled by your trolling @Panis et Circenses - me least of all.

 

[321931]

People always tend to overexaggerate or underexaggerate dependintg on the circumstances. I went to one of the "best" clinical schools, and I can tell you this. It doesn't matter where you graduate from as long as you have a DDS degree. So get the cheapest one.

I've seen many new grads from different schools try out for the associate position that we currently have open. All are slow, all have crappy fillings, and all have questionable judgement. Simple as that. BUT that is NORMAL for a new grad. AND THAT IS OK, because you will get better in time! In a busy 1 week stint at my associate job, I do a years worth of work that I would of done in my entire last year of school which if I remember correctly was test cases: 5-10 endos, 5 passed direct fills, 5 indirect crowns, 1 surgical, 1 simple ext, and 4 scaling and root planing.

These are simply my opinions.

 

[Cello]

@fogorvostan , as a D1 over at MWU-AZ, which interpretation do you agree with more-that of @Cello or that of @mwuazama ? This is critical because I have been hearing a lot of what Cello has heard, but mwuazama has A LOT of credibility based on his/her previous posts.

@jeffity are you still active on SDN? I remember you being quite knowledgable on MWU-AZ's program. What are your thoughts?

Clearly @mwuazama is going to be more knowledgeable about our program than either @fogorvostan or me are as D1 students. That said, it is troubling how different their experience is from what we have been told. I believe what the faculty and staff have told us because they no longer have a reason to sell the program to us. I would also be interested to hear more about why the D4 above has had so different an experience.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Clearly @mwuazama is going to be more knowledgeable about our program than either @fogorvostan or me are as D1 students. That said, it is troubling how different their experience is from what we have been told. I know that interview days are intended to sell the school, but much of what I posted has come from upperclassmen and faculty here at school as a D1 (in other words, I'm already sold on it).

That's why I said earlier to take everything that you hear from a school with a huge grain of salt. They are trying to sell themselves to you, and unfortunately schools are not always completely truthful to you.

For example: Law schools artificially inflate their post-graduation employment rates by counting all jobs (not just jobs related to law) as employment.

 

[Cello]

I was accepted to both and chose MWU-AZ. It's a great program and you will see and do more than in the majority of most other schools. All the technology is state of the art and you have more than enough access to patients. As for being away from family, if you think you can handle it than I say look at it as an adventure. In my 3rd year I placed implants, extracted about 40 teeth and seated 25 crowns. If you have questions PM me.

MWU-AZ is competency-based requirements, not numbers. And they're pretty easy to get. Last year they encouraged the third years to complete them before fourth year...which is totally doable. I've never heard of someone not being able to finish because they couldn't complete the requirements. It's almost a joke. I think besides endo and removable, you do so much of everything else that it's silly.

And we didn't have to mess with any of our own lab work. Maybe little stuff like custom trays or radiographic stents for CBCT scans...but no setting denture teeth or waxing crowns. That was all sent to labs or milled ourselves. I see value in doing it, but I'm glad we didn't have to do it.

These other MWU students called upon by @Incis0r above seem to corroborate what I have said and what I have heard from literally DOZENS of my fellow senior students, faculty, and administration AFTER I signed on the dotted line (meaning they have no reason to keep selling the program to me).

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Anyways, going back to the original topic, as other posters (especially graduated dentists) have stated: Your dental school doesn't matter that much, just go to the cheapest one. That seems to be the consensus.

Anyone else know of an expensive school not on the list?

 

[Incis0r]

Anyways, going back to the original topic, as other posters (especially graduated dentists) have stated: Your dental school doesn't matter that much, just go to the cheapest one. That seems to be the consensus.

Anyone else know of an expensive school not on the list?

Tufts Dental:

D1: $111,972 all inclusive.
D2: $108,633 all inclusive.
D3: $106,848 all inclusive.
D4: $98,013 all inclusive.

Total cost of attendance: $466,692.36 including 6% annual interest BEFORE taking into account annual tuition/fee increase.

 

[fogorvostan]

@fogorvostan , as a D1 over at MWU-AZ, which interpretation do you agree with more-that of @Cello or that of @mwuazama ? This is critical to me as a prospective MWU-AZ dental student because I have been hearing a lot of what Cello has heard, but mwuazama has A LOT of credibility based on his/her previous posts.

@jeffity are you still active on SDN? I remember you being quite knowledgable on MWU-AZ's program. What are your thoughts?

Also calling in anyone else who attends MWU-AZ:
@akwuiuc
@sockerbayb

On mobile right now. Anything that mwuazama said is opposite of what I have heard. My brother has worked with MWU AZ students and was very impressed with their abilities. Within his circle, MWU AZ has a great reputation for producing competent and professional dentists. He, who literally wants nothing other than the best for me, told me that I made one of the best decisions that I could by coming here. He actually just worked with some new grads from a school up in MA (I won't say which one as I don't want to sound negative) but he said they had no idea what they were doing. In his experience, the MWU AZ students knew more than those recent grads and were more confident in their abilities.

In the end, if I had a state school that was half of the tuition, would have I chosen it? Yeah probably. But I didn't have that option. Should I have married that guy I was dating that moved to Texas and get that nice, low tuition? Also probably but oh well.

And lastly, a lot of students here that I talk to though are either on a scholarship, perusing a scholarship, have family in the field that will be employing them, or know that they are going to have to bust their butts when they graduate. I feel like a lot of people are so quick to jump and say "anyone who goes to these private schools is stupid and doesn't know what they are in for". That's not true in my experiences and it gets old. And before someone else messages me asking if I'm scared about the student loans. The answer is no.

 

[mwuazama]

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[Panis et Circenses]

Should I have married that guy I was dating that moved to Texas and get that nice, low tuition? Also probably but oh well.

Ouch, yeah you really screwed up there.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Due to popular demand (actually just a PM from @Incis0r ), I put the original list in order from the most expensive to the least expensive.

 

[Incis0r]

Due to popular demand (actually just a PM from @Incis0r ), I put the original list in order from the most expensive to the least expensive.

Thank you

If you want to get your point across even more (which schools cost the most), consider making every school that costs more than $500K red and bolded? Then make anything below $400,000 USD green in color?

 

[fogorvostan]

Ouch, yeah you really screwed up there.

Haha so many regrets...

Either way, I highly recommend that everyone considers the cost of dental school and doesn't ignore it. If you can set yourself up to pay a significantly less amount of money, I think it would be very silly not to. If you're in the situation like I was in when you're choosing between multiple schools that are roughly the same in cost, I would take into consideration all aspects of the schools. Either way, you're going to graduate in 4 years with DDS/DMD after your name. May as well put that extra $100,000 towards something like a practice.

 

[Incis0r]

Ouch, yeah you really screwed up there.

Salt on wounds!

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Thank you

If you want to get your point across even more (which schools cost the most), consider making every school that costs more than $500K red and bolded? Then make anything below $400,000 USD green in color?

I love the idea, I'll do it

 

[nice_guy1]

I love the idea, I'll do it

Can u do musc?

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Can u do musc?

Ok, here we go.

I found on their website, the total of all the fees, and tuition. Then I added in living cost of 1,500 per month. For OOS, this gives
D1: $99,900
D2: $121,360
D3: $121,360
D4: $123,360

Now, adding 6% compound interest, each year becomes:
D1: $126,121.40
D2: $144,541.70
D3: $136,360.10
D4: $128,641.60

MUSC Grand Total (For OOS): $535,664.80
I did an in-state calculation, which totals: $382,154.80.

However, for fun, I added in a 3% tuition increase per year, which gives a OOS total of $547,951.10, and in IS total of $390,809.20.

Also, I noticed in their fees that if you are an international student, there is an additional fee of $100,000 per year (added to the out of state tuition).

 

[Panis et Circenses]

You guys, there has been something weighing on my conscience. I don't want to put out misinformation, and I've realized that I haven't been adding any type of annual tuition increase to these figures.

Would you guys find it helpful if I added.. say a conservative 3% increase in tuition per year to the total cost?
(It require me to go back and recalculate all the numbers, but I'll do it if you think it will be helpful).

 

[Incis0r]

You guys, there has been something weighing on my conscience. I don't want to put out misinformation, and I've realized that I haven't been adding any type of annual tuition increase to these figures.

Would you guys find it helpful if I added.. say a conservative 3% increase in tuition per year to the total cost?
(It require me to go back and recalculate all the numbers, but I'll do it if you think it will be helpful).

I think that is very admirable and conscientious of you, but I don't think you need to do it for two reasons:

#1) You've already given the disclaimer in your first post that these numbers don't include annual tuition increases.

#2) Every school is different so it's going to be hard to give a reasonable tuition increase projection. You might give a 3% increase to every school, but some schools have a 0% increase (one of the programs I interviewed at actually had tuition go DOWN one year!) and other schools (MWU-AZ for example) have anywhere from a 4 to 7% annual increase.

Of course, if you really want to do it, please go ahead. I'd love to see how the numbers change. I just don't want you to have this "weighing on my conscience."

 

[Panis et Circenses]

I think that is very admirable and conscientious of you, but I don't think you need to do it for two reasons:

#1) You've already given the disclaimer in your first post that these numbers don't include annual tuition increases.

#2) Every school is different so it's going to be hard to give a reasonable tuition increase projection. You might give a 3% increase to every school, but some schools have a 0% increase (one of the programs I interviewed at actually had tuition go DOWN one year!) and other schools (MWU-AZ for example) have anywhere from a 4 to 7% annual increase.

Of course, if you really want to do it, please go ahead. I'd love to see how the numbers change. I just don't want you to have this "weighing on my conscience."

Good point, those were my original reasons for not adding the tuition increase. I'll just leave it how it is then.

 

[Hi Im Dent]

So far, we have done waxing, sealants (on natural teeth!), impressions, couple of endo accesses, and then our perio rotation where we did fluoride varnishes and the like on each other. We don't get to do any CAD/CAM scanning until spring though That's what I'm really excited for.

It's so interesting how each D1 curriculum is different! We already did scanning in late September and are working on preps. I guess the flipside is we've only finished anatomy and are currently on biochemistry so it looks like my curriculum is different didactics wise (although we do get 3-4 lectures a day on a didactics subject)

Good point, those were my original reasons for not adding the tuition increase. I'll just leave it how it is then.

Ohhh can you do Western? Hahaha. I have pretty good idea of what our total is though.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

Ohhh can you do Western? Hahaha. I have pretty good idea of what our total is though.

Ok, so making the assumption that you take full loans (in this case, living off $28,286.00 per year, or $2,357.17 per month) each year costs:
Fees+Living+Tuition
D1: $106,626.00
D2: $106,626.00
D3: $106,626.00
D4: $106,626.00

With 6% tax,
D1: $134,612.87
D2: $126,993.23
D3: $119,804.97
D4: $113,023.56

Western University (CA) grand total: $494,434.67

 

[Incis0r]

@Panis et Circenses I feel like praising some schools too.

Presenting.....from the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.....UTHSC-SA......The University of Texas Health Science Center- San Antonio!!!!!

D1: $65,172 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D2: $61,916 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D3: $54,326 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D4: $52,081 (ALL INCLUSIVE)

Total COA for a TX RESIDENT, factoring in 6% annual interest: $256,856.27

 

[Incis0r]

Presenting.....from the GREAT STATE OF CONNECTICUT.....HOME OF THE HUSKIES......UCONN


D1: $71,211 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D2: $67,777 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D3: $69,828 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D4: $65,178 (ALL INCLUSIVE)

Total COA for a CT RESIDENT, factoring in 6% annual interest: $300,163.35

 

[Incis0r]

Presenting.....a SECOND SCHOOL from the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.....UT-Houston!!!!!

D1: $66,537 all inclusive
D2: $64,567 all inclusive
D3: $52,758 all inclusive
D4: $48,131 all inclusive

Total COA for a TX RESIDENT, factoring in 6% annual interest: $255,848.59

 

[Panis et Circenses]

@Panis et Circenses I feel like praising some schools too.

Presenting.....from the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.....UTHSC-SA......The University of Texas Health Science Center- San Antonio!!!!!

D1: $65,172 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D2: $61,916 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D3: $54,326 (ALL INCLUSIVE)
D4: $52,081 (ALL INCLUSIVE)

Total COA for a TX RESIDENT, factoring in 6% annual interest: $256,856.27

Hahahah, good work man! I think other southern states have cheap in state tuition as well!!

 

[Incis0r]

Hahahah, good work man! I think other southern states have cheap in state tuition as well!!

Thank you Could you please make those ones green on the front page? I want people to see that hope is not lost!

 

[Incis0r]

ALSO PRESENTING....THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA.....ROLL TIDE!

Please be informed that this takes into account $18,000/yr in living expenses.

D1: $59,586
D2: $57,486
D3: $55,826
D4: $53,948

Total COA for an ALABAMA RESIDENT, factoring in 6% annual interest: $248,682.71

Also, @Cold Front . Dr., you need to check this thread out. Go to the first post in the first page where the cost of attendance is listed for each school in descending order, from most expensive to least expensive.

 

[blablabla1]

Can someone do in-state for VCU? And OOS for Pitt?

 

[Incis0r]

UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH (OOS)

D1: 95,566
D2: 91,490
D3: 89,204
D4: 85,830

Total Cost of Attendance (OOS resident): $397,005.04 @ 6% annual interest.

 

[deleted696582]

As stated before, these numbers are lower than the actual grand total. Annual increase in tuition has already been mentioned, but another cost is loan origination fees. There's a 1.069% fee for Stafford Direct Unsubsidized loans, and a 4.276% fee for Direct PLUS loans. Additionally, many schools don't include the cost of board exams, licensing fees, and loupes in their figures.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

As stated before, these numbers are lower than the actual grand total. Annual increase in tuition has already been mentioned, but another cost is loan origination fees. There's a 1.069% fee for Stafford Direct Unsubsidized loans, and a 4.276% fee for Direct PLUS loans. Additionally, many schools don't include the cost of board exams, licensing fees, and loupes in their figures.

Those are scary thoughts. Some of the schools (not many) list those things. It feels like you are getting nickle and dimed from EVERYWHERE. Not to mention there are stupid things that you wouldn't think about like having to buy parking passes at your school.

 

[Incis0r]

NYU: $544,614.28

Alabama (IS): $246,682.71

The difference is just staggering.

NYU is $300,000 more than UAB....for the same exact degree.

Alternatively, cost of NYU = cost of UAB + cost of a GREAT house fully paid off

 

[Panis et Circenses]

The difference is just staggering.

NYU is $300,000 more than UAB....for the same exact degree.

Alternatively, cost of NYU = cost of UAB + cost of a GREAT house fully paid off

That is unreal.. Then not to mention the interest you will be paying on that loan as well. $544k will end up being probably going to amount to over $700k with interest throughout your lifetime. Is it even worth it to be a dentist for that kind of money? I'm betting most financial gurus (my boy Dave Ramsey lol) would strongly advise against it. We're talking 700k and this is without even mentioning the amount of money it will cost to buy a practice

Is the NYU class of 2021 ever going to have enough money to buy a house? 10-15 years after graduation maybe? This is rough stuff.

 

[Incis0r]

Is the NYU class of 2021 ever going to have enough money to buy a house?

Depends. If they are on HPSP, VocRehab (see the other thread I just made; it's basically an HPSP without the payback for veterans) or have parental support, yes.

Otherwise, I fear the answer is getting closer to "no."

 

[Alpha Centauri]

Tufts Dental:

D1: $111,972 all inclusive.
D2: $108,633 all inclusive.
D3: $106,848 all inclusive.
D4: $98,013 all inclusive.

Total cost of attendance: $466,692.36 including 6% annual interest BEFORE taking into account annual tuition/fee increase.

WOW!!!

 

[Shifff based]

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[1070752]

Buffalo (OOS) including living+all fees+food+tuition (obv the food/living part varies):

D1: $112,355
D2: $109,274
D3: $108,743
D4: $104,152
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TOTAL: ~$435,000 (this includes 6%/yr interest)

 

[deleted632307]

Buffalo (OOS) including living+all fees+food+tuition (obv the food/living part varies):

D1: $112,355
D2: $109,274
D3: $108,743
D4: $104,152
---------
TOTAL: ~$435,000 (this includes 6%/yr interest)

Doesn't Buffalo grant IS status starting from D2 year?