Transfer from DMD/DDS to MD?

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Go back and read my post again. I'm sure I dont need to spell it out for you.
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Originally posted by MacGyver
Please tell me how you treat their arthritis.

:laugh:
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We DON'T treat their arthritis, and never claimed to!

Any comments yet on the Coumadin situation? Cleveland Clinic? Mayo Clinic? My, your selective memory sure comes in handy. Either that or you have receptive aphasia.

You know, I'm still curious as to how your belittling of our profession benefits your patients. You DO see patients, don't you?

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to refer a patient to an MD. I'm here for the patient's healthcare, not to uphold or create an image.
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
Please tell me how you treat their arthritis.
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How did your feeble mind move from the issue of dental care for arthritic patients to asking a dentist to treat arthritis?

With that dim lightbulb of yours, if you actually do become a physician I fear for the patients you will be inflicted on.

What, no more stupid comments about Ca-channel blockers? I didn' t think so.
 
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Originally posted by ItsGavinC
I'm here for the patient's healthcare, not to uphold or create an image.
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What you meant to say is that you are here for the patient's ORAL healthcare.

Yuck, and no thanks. Have at it.
 
Originally posted by UBTom
Heh, looks like you don't even know what a patient shows up at a dental clinic for.
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I'm glad you brought that up. Patients show up to a doctors office for anything in any system of the body.

you are correct that dentists treat a much narrower scope of patients.

sorry if that bothers you, but you'll just have to deal with it.
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
I'm glad you brought that up. Patients show up to a doctors office for anything in any system of the body.

you are correct that dentists treat a much narrower scope of patients.

sorry if that bothers you, but you'll just have to deal with it.
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You are the one who got all mentally disturbed at what dentists do. It's your problem-- YOU deal with it.

Sorry, but the one oral disorder dentists don't deal with is MacGoober's Diarrhea of the Mouth. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
What you meant to say is that you are here for the patient's ORAL healthcare.
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Nope, wrong again. I'm FOCUSING on their oral healthcare, but that is a part of healthcare.

Are you really so ignorant that you don't think the oral cavity affects the body?
 
MacGyver,

I noticed recently that the pre-med forum got a bit fed-up with having you around.

Probably time you move on to the Allopathic forum, then back to the Lounge, don't ya think?

Does Brandonite's comment back in early 2002 about you "being really disliked" still hurt?
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
MacGyver,

I noticed recently that the pre-med forum got a bit fed-up with having you around.

Probably time you move on to the Allopathic forum, then back to the Lounge, don't ya think?

Does Brandonite's comment back in early 2002 about you "being really disliked" still hurt?
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:laugh: :laugh:

who the hell is brandonite?

In case you cant tell, I really dont give a damn what other people say about me.
 
Alright guys, Please keep it respectful. There is no reason to demean any profession. Some people enter MD school and realize their passion was dentistry (our good friend "waiting") and then there are some who enter Dental School and realize they want MD. Each person is different, however there should be no more demeaning in this thread. If there is I will have no choice but to have it taken off.

Regards,

DesiDentist
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
I'm sorry, but I don't see how dentistry and medicine don't relate. There is NO difference in how dentistry relates to medicine than in how ophthomology relates to medicine, or ENT relates to medicine.

What are the differences? Specifically, why does an opthomologist need to know the vasculature of the leg?
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I'm in ENT, and work very closely with dental and OMFS colleagues, and have the highest respect for both. I just wanted to point out one thing in your post that I disagree with.

Your statement about how particular medical specialties are no different than how dentistry is a medical specialty is not fully true. A dentist is largely an oral cavity specialist, while the OMFS realm goes beyond this to a degree. Why do I need to know the vasculature of the leg, or the anatomy of the urinary tract, or pulmonary physiology? I'll give you an example.

I recently performed a partial glossectomy, bilateral neck dissections, and tracheotomy on a patient. Postoperatively this patient had several complications including urinary tract infection, DVT, and hypoxia. I took care of all of these complications, ordered necessary studies and medications, and interventions.

I think your mindset is in medicine, every specialty is a "technician," and can forget the rest of medicine because it just isn't relevant on a daily basis. So, why does a head and neck surgeon need to know the vasculature of the leg, or the intricacies of the glomerulus?

Because I deal with them every day, and can't forget them. My patients would suffer if I did.
 
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I'm in ENT, and work very closely with dental and OMFS colleagues, and have the highest respect for both.
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Finally, wisdom from a REAL physician instead of some ignorant mentally-disturbed MacLoser.
 
let just say the people who designed the different dental and medical schools curricula are not stupid. Learn as much as you can.
 
Originally posted by MacGyver


The truth is that 99% of dentists do routine maintenance of teeth/gums and thats it. Isnt that why you went into dentistry? Whats so shameful about that? Why do you guys get so bent out of shape over that simple, fundamental truth?
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hm.. is that the job of dental hygienist ?
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
Since when do dentists do glucose blood testing to screen for diabetes?
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MDs do not do glucose blood testing. Do you know how ? someone likes me (med tech) will do that for you. Please do not put other healthcare professions down.
 
the lack of professionalism in this thread is disturbing. going into a field like medicine or dentistry is kind of like buying a car. you go into one because there are things about one or the other that you find enjoyable. once you get into a field, there is no point into justifying your decision (or putting down the other for that matter) because it is pointless and accomplishes nothing.
 
markymark,

Your last post is the most intellegent information I've read on this thread. :clap:
 
Good morning people. How did a night's sleep help?

This thread is becoming a series of personal attacks. The instigating poster has benn warned. Any more similar behavior will cause the offending posters to be banned from the Dental Forums.

I suggest the art of ignoring, the process of considering someone nonexistent.

Richard R. Scherf, DMD, FAGD
 
Well, even though this forum got a bit rough - ULTRON's question has been answered. ULTRON began this thread and ULTRON will end it...


....HERE

:smuggrin:
 
Hey Gav, Mac sure is giving you hell. This is too funny.
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
ent,

Good post.
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In followup: Gavin, I strongly agree with you that we ALL need to be more "generally minded"--there is too much of a tendency to forget things outside of our major realm of practice.

The old joke: Someone asked the orthopedic surgeon: Define cardiac output. His response, "The blood that the heart pumps to move the Ancef."

Again to the orthopedic surgeon: "Please define the various antibiotic classes." Response: "There are antibiotics besides Ancef?"

There's really no point in going through all of this training to forget most of it. Remembering and using our acquired knowledge makes us better practitioners.
 
Originally posted by cg2a93
Hey Gav, Mac sure is giving you hell. This is too funny.
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Yes, along with the 15+ others who posted on the forum.

Then again, Mac has raised hell in many a forum many a time.

ENT,

Thanks for your post, I appreciate your insight.
 
I'd like to think I held my own.. :D

Ultron got his question answered, a troll has been chastized and put in his place... It's a good day. :horns:
 
Gav, arent you guilty of the same thing on the podiatry forum?
 
Not at all. That was discussing the problems with the profession of podiatry, not podiatrists themselves.

MacGyver is ripping on dentists, I was ripping on the system that is set up for graduating podiatrists. Podiatry as a profession has done a great job of screwing over new graduates.

You'll also notice that I didn't instigate anything over there, I merely added my opinion to the opinions of others, many who ARE podiatrists who have left the profession.

Further, I DO know about podiatry because it was my profession of choice during much of college.

All in all I really respect those practicing podiatry, but I feel horrible for the dead-end that the profession has led them down.
 
You are guilty of doing exactly what mac is doing on your forum, Trolling. You know as much about podiatry as what mac knows about dentistry.
So what you were once interested in podiatry. You are not a podiatrist and are not even afflilated with the field. What make you such a expert?
I happen to be one of those new pods you are referring(doing quite well too) to and take offense when you call my field "a dead end field". Trust me, podiatry is alive and well.
 
Let's let this one die before it picks up. Dentists vs. physicians in here was bad enough; I might have to ritually disembowel myself if this becomes a "Podiatry sucks!" "No it doesn't!" argument. Hell, we're not even in the right AREA of SDN, let alone the appropriate board.
 
Gavin,

I am not necessarily discounting your statements regarding the field of podiatry being bare for new grads, but where do you get this kind of info? Besides talking with the few former students on the forum (who never actually became podiatrists to begin with), what other experiences have you had with the profession that leads you to make these blanket statements? Peace out chief.
 
Wow. Just discovered this thread and read it to the end...

Good fight from everyone, but seriously, it doesn't surprise me if GavinC did 'troll' in the podiatry forum. Seriously, GavinC, he may have a point. It's ok to be opinionated, but why (like RobC says) make blanket statements all the time...
 
Rob,

You are correct that much of my information has come from former students but also former practitioners. I find it od that there is such a large group of people that are dissatisfied with their profession. Normally the numbers that are unhappy with their profession constitute the minority. In podiatry it seems that the supposed minority is nearing a majority.

Pi_Guy,

I find it interesting that cg2a93 didn't make any statement against ElCid, Toejam, yipeee, niceguydoc, edrfernandez, bklyndoc, or any other of the people who posted in the SAME thread as I did and made the SAME comments I did. In fact, many of those comments are far worse than anything I've said. I only joined those discussions because my experiences matched the experiences of those who had already posted. I wasn't instigating anything there, and if it appeared that way then my apologies to those offended.

Anybody interested can find all those posts at the following threads: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74099

and

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79606

FYI: Let's move this discussion to the podiatry forum, if anybody cares to. The dental board deserves that much, and our buddy Bill deserves his bowels back! :clap:

Thanks!
 
if anyone says anything less than dentists are gods and that dentisry is not the end all and say all, gavinc gets bent out of shape. reality check buddy, there are 3 dentists in my family and 2 can not stand it! and everyone of them work 60-65 hrs a week. i also respect what they do, but you seem comical in your views at times
 
I know someone who was in an MD program and switched to DDS after the forst year. It probably depends on the school.
 
Originally posted by mdinpa
if anyone says anything less than dentists are gods and that dentisry is not the end all and say all, gavinc gets bent out of shape. reality check buddy, there are 3 dentists in my family and 2 can not stand it! and everyone of them work 60-65 hrs a week. i also respect what they do, but you seem comical in your views at times
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I think 60-65 hours a week is possible, but not probable. I would venture to assume that *on average* a physician would come closer to working these types of hours than a dentist. *On average* a dentist is gonna work 4 days a week, 40 hours a week. I don't think this can be said for physician.

Again, I'm speaking in terms of *averages*. I do understand that you have a special situation that deviates from these averages.
 
Dentists are not gods, and dentistry is certainly NOT the end all be all. Dentistry is a fabulous profession, but it isn't for everybody. There are hundreds of other professions that I'm also interested in, and each has characteristics that are more appealing than dentistry.

A reality check? Sorry, but that's the last thing I need. I'm excited that I've found a profession that I feel great about! Everybody needs to remember that the core of SDN is opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sorry that the dentists in your family aren't happy with what they do.

I think Critter's numbers are pretty good numbers for averages.
 
i am honestly happy you found something you THINK you'll be happy in (remember, you're not out in the trenches yet). it just irksome and needs reminding that you don't need to rip or disparage other professions b/c you're happy with yours. i'm an md and am extremely happy (35 hr/wk, $150k/yr before bonus ($15-$30k). the only physicians i know who work even close to 60hr / wk (aside from residents, would be surgeons, but hey they chose that lifestyle)
i personally could never be a dentist but that's my problem, just like u could never be an md, pod, whatever, but thats your problem not the other persons.
just another thought, i personally know of 5 dentists who either switched during their training or after their training to med school, but have NEVER met or even heard of an md becoming a dentists, interesting. the best known person i personally know, is ted bollard, md, dds, head of internal med at hershey med center, did dentitstry a yr and went back to med school. so, i guess its not JUST the dentists in my family who are unhappy as u insinuate. again, i'm not ripping, but to hear pre-dents AND pre-meds rip each other is irksome
"can't we all get along"
 
My intentions were not to start a podiatry debate in th dental forum. I was merely pointing out that the same trolling that mac does you are guilty of as well Gav.
p.s. 10 people does not constitute a majority in a profession of 15,000. Of the people you mention 1 is a podiatrist(former). The others for the most part are alleged students that dropped out in the 1st or 2nd year. Also reread the posts closely and you will see that some of these so called student contradict themselves in their past posts, that leads me to belive they weren't even student, but bandwagoneers.
 
i personally know of 5 dentists who either switched during their training or after their training to med school, but have NEVER met or even heard of an md becoming a dentists, interesting. the best known person i personally know, is ted bollard, md, dds, head of internal med at hershey med center, did dentitstry a yr and went back to med school. so, i guess its not JUST the dentists in my family who are unhappy as u insinuate.
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Geez people need to stop making statements based on a few people that they know. That like if i were to say my friend's friend was a physician and he makes half a mil a year and then suggesting that all physicians make half a mil a year. Just people YOU supposedly know of 5 dentists who swtiched to med doesn't mean anything really. I konw of 5 md's who swtiched to dentistry but I don't think in anyway that dent is better than med just cause i know of 5 md that switched.

When you say "can't we all get along" and then make comments like the one in the above quote how can you expect us to get along???? Don't you realized that by making comments like that you only aggrevate dental students?

I think dental and med people will finally "get along" when all dental students realize that they are not inferior to med students and all med students realize that they are not superior to dental students. But I don't see this happening anytime soon.
 
Originally posted by freedyx3
I think dental and med people will finally "get along" when all dental students realize that they are not inferior to med students and all med students realize that they are not superior to dental students. But I don't see this happening anytime soon.
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Amen. Amen, amen, amen.
 
Actually, mdinpa, one of my father's good friends went to one year of medical school and decided he wanted to be a dentist. He switched the second year and couldn't be happier. He works about 30 hours a week bringing home 160k and spending summers in South America doing charity work.
 
Originally posted by cg2a93
I was merely pointing out that the same trolling that mac does you are guilty of as well Gav.
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If that is your criteria, then right back atcha, buddy.


p.s. 10 people does not constitute a majority in a profession of 15,000. Of the people you mention 1 is a podiatrist(former).
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Your are correct. However, you as a single poster also do not constitute a majority.

Also reread the posts closely and you will see that some of these so called student contradict themselves in their past posts, that leads me to belive they weren't even student, but bandwagoneers.
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Yes, I noticed you tend to refer back to previous posts in an effort to pick apart current posts. I'm glad you're here to play judge and jury. And obviously, if they were only pod students, their opinions don't matter.

< Watching Bill disembowel himself again >
 
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