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Hey guys i just wanted to know my chances to get into a california med school. Just got back the mcat, 11/9/10, and have a 3.9 GPA. I know there are other factors, but going on those two do i have a good chance on getting in anywhere? Hopeful!:D

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Before others ask, what are your ECs? Those play a big role in the location with your stats.
 
Ok Ecs: Over 100 hours of volunteering at Stanford hospital. Shadowing of a doctor overseas for about 3 months. Currently doing research with a professor at university lab. Currently treasurer for a religious student organization. Was part of my schools student health advisory committee for a year. Volunteer at a international charity organization. Active member in biomedical engineering society. I might be missing one other thing, but those are the main ones.
 
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Any advice, I really need help.

Hey guys i just wanted to know my chances to get into a california med school. Just got back the mcat, 11/9/10, and have a 3.9 GPA. I know there are other factors, but going on those two do i have a good chance on getting in anywhere? Hopeful!Ok Ecs: Over 100 hours of volunteering at Stanford hospital. Shadowing of a doctor overseas for about 3 months. Currently doing research with a professor at university lab. Currently treasurer for a religious student organization. Was part of my schools student health advisory committee for a year. Volunteer at a international charity organization. Active member in biomedical engineering society. I might be missing one other thing, but those are the main ones.
 
It could happen, but the MCAT is a bit on the low side for California schools. Obviously you should still apply to CA schools because Davis and Irvine are somewhat within your range. I have the same MCAT score as you and I am from California. I am applying very broadly to friendly OOS schools and I suggest that you do the same.
 
I'm a California resident BTW. Are my extracurriculars good? Also keep in mind average mcat for Davis is 31. Gpa is 3.6. I think my Gpa makes up for my mcat.
It could happen, but the MCAT is a bit on the low side for California schools. Obviously you should still apply to CA schools because Davis and Irvine are somewhat within your range. I have the same MCAT score as you and I am from California. I am applying very broadly to friendly OOS schools and I suggest that you do the same.
 
I think your ECs are good but they are not stellar. You seem to have all the bases covered. The research and volunteering looks good, I guess it really comes down to how many hours you put into these activities (and the kind of LOR you can get from your PI). I think you probably do have somewhat of a realistic shot because of your high GPA, but then again CA schools are brutally competitive. I have friends who have stats around 3.7/34 that got rejected from all the CA schools this past cycle. Make sure that you don't make the mistake of just applying to CA schools tho. I would certainly apply to some OOS schools too just in case it doesn't work out in CA.
 
Ok Ecs: Over 100 hours of volunteering at Stanford hospital. Shadowing of a doctor overseas for about 3 months. Currently doing research with a professor at university lab. Currently treasurer for a religious student organization. Was part of my schools student health advisory committee for a year. Volunteer at a international charity organization. Active member in biomedical engineering society. I might be missing one other thing, but those are the main ones.

Do you have any shadowing of doctors here in the US? Have you done any other volunteering here in the US besides the hours at Standord?... These schools want to select applicants who are driven to practice medicine in the United States.

How long have you been doing research? Do you have any poster presentations? Conference presentations? Publications? What exactly does this research entail? Are you responsible for your own projects/helping grad students/post docs with projects or are you just cleaning the lab and stuff?

How long have you been treasurer for this organization? How many hours total do you think you have aquired here.

Is this biomed society just a club where you attend meetings? Or do you have any leadership role in the club?

Lastly, are you URM (not white or asian)?

Nonetheless, like said above, do not only apply to CA schools. Look at other private schools on the east. Also look at the SUNY schools. They seem to like CA applicants.
 
As for shadowing in the U.S. Unfortunately no as I have found that most doctors here do not feel comfortable with having a student shadowing them unless they need or want it. Volunteering, I assume at other hospitals, no not really but thats all I could manage with the 18 unit course loads, plus all the other things that I have going as listed above, also i actually spent 150 hours at stanford. Also i mentioned that I have volunteered at a nonprofit organization that helps internationally disadvantaged people all over the world, probably over 300 hours there (go almost every sunday for at least four hours and have been going since junior from high school.)

For research I am working with a graduate student on the fabrication of microfluidic devices using a new polymer known as COC, and were interested in fabricating them through a relatively cheaper method known as hot embossing. Ive been on the project for about four months now. Weve hit a snag on the project due to a system malfunction and lack of funding of our department to replace it, but Ive done and read enough to know what it is we were trying to accomplish it and how. Not long enough to do publications, but I will be starting my senior project soon and will try to base it off this project. So no im not just cleaning up the lab, Ive played a major role in setting up the device and developing protocol for the lab and have helped in the actual process of fabrication.

I have been the treasurer for about a year now. In all honesty I will say I racked up about 150 hours in that time between attending board member meetings discussing financial needs and budget all the way to helping setting up events to requesting funding from our school and other organizations.
The biomed club has been for the most part attending meeting type things, but I have played major roles in helping spread word about the club, help setting up events when I can, and I did help in the setting up of a major conference at the school.

Lastly, i really don't like my situation when it comes to racial background. Im middle eastern, and so Im essentially seen as white, although I do not like how that immediately writes me off as advantaged due to the way people like me have been treated the past decade.
Also I am not only applying to CA med schools. I know they are quite competitive and I have a list of out of state schools (if u guys dont mind mentioning a few good out of state schools that will actually consider someone like me I'd appreciate it), but as Im from CA attending a CA med school is ideal.

I should also add that i started college at the age of 16 while at high school. Im also majoring at biomedical engineering and at my school, San Jose State, engineering is well renowned but at the same time difficult to achieve a high GPA. I don't know if that will have any effect. I also forgot to mention that I am also a member of the honor's society Tau Beta pi.
 
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To be honest, (and this is if it were me), I'd take some time off prior to applying to really solidify your extracirriculars. You look like you have some commitments here and there which is nice, but your 30 mcat suggests to place more emphasis on your ECs and GPA (which you are okay here), but the ECs look like they can improve some bit.

I'd also network around to see if I could shadow physicians at an outpatient setting. TBH, sometimes you just need to try harder. Not every school is going to give you the opportunity to explain why finding shadowing was difficult. I mean, if you had hundreds of apps to go through and you found say 75 apps with inadequate shadowing, would you seriously invite them all to ask that question when you have hundreds of others who already have figured it out?

I know it sounds "mean" and "cold," but just try to think of what an adcom might be thinking/experiencing. What I'm trying to get at is that even though shadowing opportunities have been hard, you still need to figure that part out no matter what. Don't give up. Esp considering your MCAT is borderline-not dangerous, but doesn't make you incredibly competitive.

ALSO, you're young. You have 2 years before the typical minimum age of a matriculating med student, and probably 4-5 years for the age average. If I were an adcom, I'd be quite inclined to reserve giving you an interview simply because you have time to really improve and develop these actvities and commitments you have. Heck, you could even retake the MCAT if you felt that you could rock it more. Get a scribe job somewhere, and actually work with the docs. Then asking for shadowing wouldn't be so hard now, would it. Sometimes docs hate it when people just cold-call them to shadow. You sometimes need to work with them first before they feel comfortable bringing you on board.
 
Agreed with above. Take year off, establish your ECs a little long and get US shadowing.
 
I want to first thank you guys fro being honest with me, but forgive me if I find it difficult to swallow regarding ECs. I will not deny that my ecs could improve, heck doing more is better, but my premed advisor told me its the quality of the ecs not the quantity. The things I did were not purely just out of wanting to go to medical school. The one main thing that I mentioned to you guys was the shadowing of a doctor overseas. Now I know shadowing at U.S is probably more desirable, but perhaps if I explain to you in depth the things I saw. I shadowed a surgeon at the hospital at the orthopedic department and some of the things would be grueling to most, but enlightening to aspiring doctors such as myself and you guys. I saw kids with mangled arms crying to a point I never though possible. I was able to communicate with patients who were disraught about the situations of their loved ones. I even got to see a surgery where the surgeon had to break the truth to the patient regarding amputation, which I was of course not allowed to witness the procedure due to patient privacy, but what I saw the emotions really hit me. I guess what Im getting it is, which is my problem, I find it hard to swallow that these things that I have done don't make me competitive. I know there are people who may have done more, but that doesn't mean better.

I also wanted to avoid mentioning this because I felt it would be low to mention this, but during the week of my mcat an uncle of mine passed away which kind of threw me off, I don't know he wasn't close to the point I cried but I felt so weird about it, I don't know.

To be honest, (and this is if it were me), I'd take some time off prior to applying to really solidify your extracirriculars. You look like you have some commitments here and there which is nice, but your 30 mcat suggests to place more emphasis on your ECs and GPA (which you are okay here), but the ECs look like they can improve some bit.

I'd also network around to see if I could shadow physicians at an outpatient setting. TBH, sometimes you just need to try harder. Not every school is going to give you the opportunity to explain why finding shadowing was difficult. I mean, if you had hundreds of apps to go through and you found say 75 apps with inadequate shadowing, would you seriously invite them all to ask that question when you have hundreds of others who already have figured it out?

I know it sounds "mean" and "cold," but just try to think of what an adcom might be thinking/experiencing. What I'm trying to get at is that even though shadowing opportunities have been hard, you still need to figure that part out no matter what. Don't give up. Esp considering your MCAT is borderline-not dangerous, but doesn't make you incredibly competitive.

ALSO, you're young. You have 2 years before the typical minimum age of a matriculating med student, and probably 4-5 years for the age average. If I were an adcom, I'd be quite inclined to reserve giving you an interview simply because you have time to really improve and develop these actvities and commitments you have. Heck, you could even retake the MCAT if you felt that you could rock it more. Get a scribe job somewhere, and actually work with the docs. Then asking for shadowing wouldn't be so hard now, would it. Sometimes docs hate it when people just cold-call them to shadow. You sometimes need to work with them first before they feel comfortable bringing you on board.
 
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I want to first thank you guys fro being honest with me, but forgive me if I find it difficult to swallow regarding ECs. I will not deny that my ecs could improve, heck doing more is better, but my premed advisor told me its the quality of the ecs not the quantity. The things I did were not purely just out of wanting to go to medical school. The one main thing that I mentioned to you guys was the shadowing of a doctor overseas. Now I know shadowing at U.S is probably more desirable, but perhaps if I explain to you in depth the things I saw. I shadowed a surgeon at the hospital at the orthopedic department and some of the things would be grueling to most, but enlightening to aspiring doctors such as myself and you guys. I saw kids with mangled arms crying to a point I never though possible. I was able to communicate with patients who were disraught about the situations of their loved ones. I even got to see a surgery where the surgeon had to break the truth to the patient regarding amputation, which I was of course not allowed to witness the procedure due to patient privacy, but what I saw the emotions really hit me. I guess what Im getting it is, which is my problem, I find it hard to swallow that these things that I have done don't make me competitive. I know there are people who may have done more, but that doesn't mean better.

I also wanted to avoid mentioning this because I felt it would be low to mention this, but during the week of my mcat an uncle of mine passed away which kind of threw me off, I don't know he wasn't close to the point I cried but I felt so weird about it, I don't know.

First of all, I'm sorry to hear that your uncle passed away. Regardless close or not, I'm sure it doesn't help making a family smaller. That being said, the tougher question is that if you decide to share that information, it may be conceived as a crutch, and frankly, one may ask why you chose to take the test if you weren't "completely there," since you could've voided it. I'm not sure if this would happen, but I cannot help the thought of it happening.

Well, now we're getting to something. Usually most people care about the numbers. If you feel that these volunteer experiences were meaningful to you, then well, there's nothing that we can say to take that meaningfulness away from you! And that's a good thing. You share your experiences on your application as well as in your interviews. Tell them how you've grown up, what it taught you about the responsibilities of being a physician.

But here's the remaining problem. Part of being a physician is that you're training in the United States. You're training in a country whose medical system is not only broken, but also one of a kind because the patients exercise INCREDULOUS amounts of autonomy compared to other nations, and while the payment system is far from any form of single-payer/socialistic medicine. Regardless if these things are bad or good, they expect you to have an understanding based on your experiences in American Healthcare. Look, it's great that you have the heart, and you've seen a lot of stuff, etc etc, but do realize that your training as a physician is not just only the pathology, the ethics, etc etc, but also the bureaucracy and culture that exists in American medicine. A very simple comparison: We're probably one of the few healthcare systems that trains its physicians post-college education...The rest of the world takes MD entrance exams in high school!

Again, the point is not to say that your experiences are meaningless, and I do apologize if it came off that way. But do realize that adcoms do want to see that you have A) commitment and B) exposure and adequate understanding of the American medical system.

When I first started volunteering, the first thing I saw in the ER was a gunshot wound (GSW) to the head. Shocker. The next shift I was there, I saw a teen who decided take his life and his parents were next to the bed clenching his pale hand screaming him to come back, while we had to proceed with CPR compressions that were essentially destroying his chest cavity. Shock & Awe? Yes. But to be honest, what I ended up sharing in my interviews was how healthcare was delivered. Yes, you do learn about the stress and the amount of responsibility a physician will have, but what I found to be more meaningful to my interviewers (from my experience) was telling them how teamwork is such an integral part of delivering good healthcare. Yes, when you have people dying and you see the brutality associated with illness and disease, it often can overshadow what you observed on the delivery of healthcare. You know, the next morning you tell your buds, "Yo, guess what I saw yesterday"....etc etc. And then you proceed to tell someone about how gruesome someone's injury was, and then the person goes WHOA and so forth.

Now, observing those parts of medicine is good. no doubt. It helps you understand what you will see. But, part of the volunteering/shadowing is again, seeing how the system in america works. For example, patients here may have very different maladies from where you worked/volunteered/shadowed, and physicians often have to face poor socioeconomic determinants of health that are soooooo often the problem of the various chronic illnesses that plague our society. In developing countries, this is usually not the case. In America, you will find that many patients that you encounter will have substance abuse issues, for another example.

My point is that often times patient populations, the ailments they present with, the socioeconomic backgrounds they come from, are often very different. Even when I was studying abroad in Chile, patients presented with similar conditions but it was still such a different experience compared to what I've seen in the US simply because their healthcare system was soooo different!

At the end of the day, it's good that you have gotten the experience abroad. That being said, talk about what you have learned, rather than what type of gory/shock-value story you want to share. Maybe it might be a good hook or catch to a personal statement, but realistically it should be a good reflection of what you have learned about the healthcare field that you will soon enter. It might be useful to have a compare/contrast since you have volunteered for a little bit at stanford, yes.

As far as the hours go, the concern about 100 hours is that even though you may have gotten SO much out of 100 hours, I usually felt that 100 hours was enough to get my feet wet and to have the nursing staff respect me. Why? that's 25 weeks, or about 6 months. That's like the minimum amount I need to volunteer at my hospital before they would even let me move over units. I used to have volunteers that come by for six months and I'd still never know their names or what their work ethic is, when I worked at the hospital and actually had to supervise them on my unit. If you really have make some inways after 6 months, good for you. And honestly, if you really have, I'd continue volunteering as much as you can, seeing how much you've really made an impact.
 
I see. If I were to think back to my time at Stanford in the way you discuss it I did learn how important organization within the hospital is. I worked at the Cancer Center, more specifically the ITA, and while I did see emotions I learned about how important, as you said, how important teamwork is. For example, when one of the patients had an emergency, which was signaled by a high pitched sound, there was never any confusion of what to do. I would ask the nurses and doctors how they were so efficient and eventually learned that they had a room with a big board that assigned them their patients/location and it was constantly updated, I should know as I had to do that as a volunteer for some time. Their method of organization placed things such as vaccutainers, saline bags, bandages, gauze, bedpans, etc was placed away from the eyes of the patients so that they would have a clean and calm environment. Lastly, and most important the interaction between the patient and professional. Eye contact is always maintained, always maintain their cool no matter what is going on around them, ensuring the pateint is comfortable, and one thing that we all need to be able to do is communicate with the patient and let them know what is going on, what will happen, and ask how they feel. Compartively, to the overseas shadowing the formalities and respect that the doctor shows to their patients is not there. Doctor's are typically moving around hectically and they typically talk informally with their patients. So I definetly hear where your'e coming from. If you don't mind me asking though Alejandro which medical school are you going to?

First of all, I'm sorry to hear that your uncle passed away. Regardless close or not, I'm sure it doesn't help making a family smaller. That being said, the tougher question is that if you decide to share that information, it may be conceived as a crutch, and frankly, one may ask why you chose to take the test if you weren't "completely there," since you could've voided it. I'm not sure if this would happen, but I cannot help the thought of it happening.

Well, now we're getting to something. Usually most people care about the numbers. If you feel that these volunteer experiences were meaningful to you, then well, there's nothing that we can say to take that meaningfulness away from you! And that's a good thing. You share your experiences on your application as well as in your interviews. Tell them how you've grown up, what it taught you about the responsibilities of being a physician.

But here's the remaining problem. Part of being a physician is that you're training in the United States. You're training in a country whose medical system is not only broken, but also one of a kind because the patients exercise INCREDULOUS amounts of autonomy compared to other nations, and while the payment system is far from any form of single-payer/socialistic medicine. Regardless if these things are bad or good, they expect you to have an understanding based on your experiences in American Healthcare. Look, it's great that you have the heart, and you've seen a lot of stuff, etc etc, but do realize that your training as a physician is not just only the pathology, the ethics, etc etc, but also the bureaucracy and culture that exists in American medicine. A very simple comparison: We're probably one of the few healthcare systems that trains its physicians post-college education...The rest of the world takes MD entrance exams in high school!

Again, the point is not to say that your experiences are meaningless, and I do apologize if it came off that way. But do realize that adcoms do want to see that you have A) commitment and B) exposure and adequate understanding of the American medical system.

When I first started volunteering, the first thing I saw in the ER was a gunshot wound (GSW) to the head. Shocker. The next shift I was there, I saw a teen who decided take his life and his parents were next to the bed clenching his pale hand screaming him to come back, while we had to proceed with CPR compressions that were essentially destroying his chest cavity. Shock & Awe? Yes. But to be honest, what I ended up sharing in my interviews was how healthcare was delivered. Yes, you do learn about the stress and the amount of responsibility a physician will have, but what I found to be more meaningful to my interviewers (from my experience) was telling them how teamwork is such an integral part of delivering good healthcare. Yes, when you have people dying and you see the brutality associated with illness and disease, it often can overshadow what you observed on the delivery of healthcare. You know, the next morning you tell your buds, "Yo, guess what I saw yesterday"....etc etc. And then you proceed to tell someone about how gruesome someone's injury was, and then the person goes WHOA and so forth.

Now, observing those parts of medicine is good. no doubt. It helps you understand what you will see. But, part of the volunteering/shadowing is again, seeing how the system in america works. For example, patients here may have very different maladies from where you worked/volunteered/shadowed, and physicians often have to face poor socioeconomic determinants of health that are soooooo often the problem of the various chronic illnesses that plague our society. In developing countries, this is usually not the case. In America, you will find that many patients that you encounter will have substance abuse issues, for another example.

My point is that often times patient populations, the ailments they present with, the socioeconomic backgrounds they come from, are often very different. Even when I was studying abroad in Chile, patients presented with similar conditions but it was still such a different experience compared to what I've seen in the US simply because their healthcare system was soooo different!

At the end of the day, it's good that you have gotten the experience abroad. That being said, talk about what you have learned, rather than what type of gory/shock-value story you want to share. Maybe it might be a good hook or catch to a personal statement, but realistically it should be a good reflection of what you have learned about the healthcare field that you will soon enter. It might be useful to have a compare/contrast since you have volunteered for a little bit at stanford, yes.

As far as the hours go, the concern about 100 hours is that even though you may have gotten SO much out of 100 hours, I usually felt that 100 hours was enough to get my feet wet and to have the nursing staff respect me. Why? that's 25 weeks, or about 6 months. That's like the minimum amount I need to volunteer at my hospital before they would even let me move over units. I used to have volunteers that come by for six months and I'd still never know their names or what their work ethic is, when I worked at the hospital and actually had to supervise them on my unit. If you really have make some inways after 6 months, good for you. And honestly, if you really have, I'd continue volunteering as much as you can, seeing how much you've really made an impact.
 
I guess my next question is what schools outside of CA I should apply to. I am interested in schools who are more research focused like Davis, but beggars can't be choosers.
On a side question if an interviewer ask why their particular school I really don't know how to respond. Would saying something to the effect of "I feel that as an institution____ your goals and interests fit my own such as dedication to developing newer methods of clinical research so as to provide a platform for better healthcare." Or something of that sort. I know early to worry about that but just curious is all.
 
First of all, if my signature or my profile doesn't speak enough where I'm goin for school...

Second, do some exploration on your own. I can't tell you where to apply per se, because there are TONS of schools out there. That being said, if you get an initial list goin, then sure. But you kinda hafta do your own legwork first before I can chime in on which schools to apply to. Not every school is the same. That's your job to figure out which school fits you best. I'm not trying to be lazy-these are things that you should be doing on your own.
 
Talk about embarrassing...:eek:. Sorry I was actually taking a group exam while I responded. Just goes to show you to focus on one thing at a time.
When I get a rough list I let you know. Thanks Alejandro you've been a great help. Wish me luck and I wish you the same.:luck:

First of all, if my signature or my profile doesn't speak enough where I'm goin for school...

Second, do some exploration on your own. I can't tell you where to apply per se, because there are TONS of schools out there. That being said, if you get an initial list goin, then sure. But you kinda hafta do your own legwork first before I can chime in on which schools to apply to. Not every school is the same. That's your job to figure out which school fits you best. I'm not trying to be lazy-these are things that you should be doing on your own.
 
Manager of local donation center, Tutor at community center, shadowing of surgeon overseas, active member of bmes, part of the student health advisory committee, volunteered for 150 hours at Stanford Hospital, treasurer of an interfaith club, presented a poster and received acknowledgment of a good presentation from judges, done research regarding microfluidic device fabrication, honorary member of tau beta pi, job at intuitive surgical doing validation testing, starting new research involving surface modification of a particular polymer to increase bio compatibility so that it can be used to make a biomedical device.

My updated extracurricular list, let me know what you guys think.


Talk about embarrassing...:eek:. Sorry I was actually taking a group exam while I responded. Just goes to show you to focus on one thing at a time.
When I get a rough list I let you know. Thanks Alejandro you've been a great help. Wish me luck and I wish you the same.:luck:
 
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From reading this thread, I am thinking that I am more and more screwed. I am Canadian, so I clearly have no experience in US hospitals...I have done some shadowing, but you aren't allowed to shadow in BC without permission from the BCRCP. Most of my health care experience comes from living with a chronic illness...so am I just SOL?
 
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