Originally posted by 12R34Y
you need adobe acrobat to open it.
i'll try and post it in a word document or something tonight or tomorrow.
by the way.......you can't explain, reason with or help anyone understand about the bible and christianity if they are NOT christians.........it is hard to change people's mind about things on a online forum.
No one is going to say......."oh you are right.......i see the light now!"
Just speaking from someone who used to be unsaved and is now saved.......until you do see the light and understand if first hand you won't understand. Your hearts will be hardened and you cannot possibly see the truth.
Likewise, you aren't going to get me to budge even a little bit on my stances sooooooooo...
I'll quit. nothing going to get accomplished.
OH, by the way.......sure I've had impure thoughts (homosexual) especially when i was a teenager..........
didn't choose to listen to them. I'm sure sexually both lifestyles will fulfill you, but it isn't just about sex. it's about being right and not sinning.
I CHOSE not to act on those feelings......like most hetersexuals. If you give into the sin then that is your problem. just my thoughts.
later
1. I have adobe acrobat, reader, photoshop, illustrator, pagemaker, streamline, etc. I know how to open an adobe pdf file. Your link didn't work for me
"by the way.......you can't explain, reason with or help anyone understand about the bible and christianity if they are NOT christians.........it is hard to change people's mind about things on a online forum."
2. Typical religious mantra, You have to have "leap of faith". In this world, I suscribe to the philosophy of Descartes, "I think therefore I am". If we can't prove religious arguements, or you can't even defend them, by saying, "oh you have to believe in it and be a christian, otherwise does not flow with me". I'm sorry buddy, if the idea of heaven and hell, and morality are so black and white for you that you don't need convincing, that's fine for you. But there are other people like DAvid Kouresh, like the KKK, and osama that operate with the same line of reasoning, aka, believe me in me and don't ask questions. The catholic church became so powerful during must of europe's history, that 80% of all her believers, were 1) illiterate 2) even if literate could not read hebrew or latin 3) took the word of the church as "divine and true". It wasn't until Luther who came and translated the bible into german, were the birth of protestanism had evolved. Same goes with today's christians, jews, muslims and atheists, if you can't defend your point to me, then you are all a figment of my imagination. How do you think your religious dogma is different from pat robertson and osama bin laden, just because YOU think it is true and "morally right". Abraham goes up on the hill and gets ready to sacrifice Isaac for god? no questions asked? now if abraham today did that, people would rush first to see if he is suffering from a schizophrenic disorder. Moral of the story, if god tells you to sacrifice your son, don't hesistate to do so, becauase again the "leap of faith clause".
OH, by the way.......sure I've had impure thoughts (homosexual) especially when i was a teenager..........
3. This is what I figured since getting your response by saying it is a choice. Let me tell you this, NONE OF my straight friends, including my own brother, and parents have ever ever had homosexual thoughts, even if they have had it, they were NEVER aroused by thought of homosexuality. Some of my friends drool when a women walks by, and you mention the word or thought of penis to them, they get sick like this
And they belong to range of spectrums both religious and non-religious. As you can see, they ARE MUTUALLY exclusive heterosexual. The fact that you had or have homosexual thoughts, IS AN ANDICATION that you sir are a bisexual. Now, if you have managed to suppress your homosexuality, then I say congratulations to you! Being a heterosexual or attempting to live a heterosexual life, is a BETTER LIFE!
Now, the question is, what do people who are MUTUALLY homosexual, to do? I have rarely if ever had heterosexual thoughts, nor am I attracted to female glands or genitalia, a boob is simply a mass of inflated mammillary glands to me. I can squeeze it, touch it and suck it, and nada! So I can't CHOSSSSSSSSEEEE I repeat CHOOOOOOOSE to get an erection from a WOMAN!? got it?
and no being gay, is not "all about sex"....I FALL in love with guys, in high school..I didn't know why...I would look at one of my friends, and for teh entire geomtry class, I would doodle his name "john" all over my notebook, and I was like
and I was like...I have SERIOus serious issues...
I CHOSE not to act on those feelings......like most hetersexuals. If you give into the sin then that is your problem. just my thoughts.
NO, BUDDY, you are not a heterosexual, you are a BISEXUAL, and bisexuality comes in a spectrum!!! it's not 50/50, some are 10/90, some 40/60 with your sexuality leaning either way. Let me tell you something, I freqent gay chat sites, sometimes out of boredom and to talk to different peopel...yes there are ample of perverts wnating to do one night stands, and hookups, but there is also the "marriage crowd" where they have been reformed and converted to hetersoxuality...I would say anywhere from % to 30% of all married couples are married to a gay man, who out of social pressure married a women, and then AFTER AFTER 15 years of marriage or even 30 years of marriage, they are like "I can't live this lie anymore" and I'm like, what a hypocrite?!?!?
I THINK THAT IS IMMORAL to mislead any WOMAN, into thinking you love them, care for them, and eVEN have SEX with them and raise kids, and then half way into the marriage say, oh by the way honey, I'm GAY!!!
that's so wrong, if you chose to do that, then that is your pregorative, let me tell you this, I know very VERY VERY few people that became complete heterosexuals even from BISEXUALITY!!!
a lot of them revert bakc to their original behavior, 5 years, 10 years, or even 40 years down the line....my brother is one of the most straight people I know, HE WOULD NEVER ever have any kind of homosexual thoughts, nor is he ever AROUSED by the idea either...as such, you are seriously mistaken if you think that "most heterosexuals" have homosexual thoughts, because in the same token, most homosexuals don't have "heterosexual thoughts"
Just speaking from someone who used to be unsaved and is now saved.......until you do see the light and understand if first hand you won't understand. Your hearts will be hardened and you cannot possibly see the truth.
ok, when I see the "light" I will make sure to have your number, and let me tell you something, up until the age of 19 I was VERY religious, I prayed to god every single day of my life, asked him to make me straight, every time I had gay thoughts, I went into the bathroom and vommitted profusely, so I would never have gay thoughts, my parents beat the **** out of me, and told me I was better off dead than being gay....
those years traumatized me badly...my intention of this thread, to educate some parents in the MEDICALLY field, that if your child is gay to:
1) not beat the **** out of them
2) try endlessly to try and "convert them"
3) not push their child into suicide
4) learn to accept to love them for WHO THEY ARE and not what they are...
I'm not here pushing a "homosexual agenda" and asking all the men in the world to embrace homosexuality...I'm telling you this as a GAY man, life is harder, obstacles are more challenging, discrimination is rampid and your life is filled with depression and even suicide...as such, you or ANYONE else has to be a complete BUFFOON or idiot to want to "chose" to be gay...
I CHOSE not to act on those feelings......like most hetersexuals. If you give into the sin then that is your problem. just my thoughts.
dude, you totally have some latent homosexulaity within you, as I told you I have straight freinds that dont even remotely have homosexual thoughts....with your phrasing of your words, about "giving into sin" your making it sound as if homosexuality is some kind of forbidden fruit, where you on a regular basis are strugglling with it, but "don't wish to give it in"....
dude, if you want or think you can be straight all the power to you..I'm not trying to make you go gay, but I hardly think you are anything but "straight" if anything you are a bisexual struggling with your emotions...
as such, I wish you the best in your "chosen" straight life, I have no beef with you, but take this analogy..
some people suffer from cancer:
1) some make it through chemo and survive
2) others dont and die
just because you can "become straight" doesnt mean the rest of the gay or bisexual community can, and yes this conversation was very fruitful...I was able to diagnose you as a latent homosexual/bisexual...
let me know how your marriage turns out in 40 years....
for someone that doesn't believe in the bible, you sure are getting riled up for no reason 
