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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/
This seriously bothers me.
Do it right or don't do it.
Z
This seriously bothers me.
Do it right or don't do it.
Z
This seriously bothers me.
Do it right or don't do it.
Z
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/
This seriously bothers me.
Do it right or don't do it.
Z
They don't know how to put ivs. I wonder who used to place them before. Was it an anesthesiologist? Is the ABA somewhat responsible for the botched executions by threatening to rescind board certification to people involved in executions?
Awwwwww, does it offend your sensibilities? Did you shed a tear over this poor man's suffering? This piece of garbage shot someone and ordered his boys to bury her alive. He got what he deserved. If it were up to me, I'd give these f_ucks 100 mg of Zemuron and let them die.
The justice system in this country has proven itself to be fallible and discriminatory time and time again. How often do you hear about wrongful convictions being overturned?
If these people can't even get an IV straight, how can we trust that each and every person gets a truly fair day in court? If they can botch the execution process they can botch the process that led to the death penalty conviction in the first place.
Remember the hippocratic oath? How do some of you reconcile that with the pleasure you seem like you would get from pushing the execution drugs yourself? Scary...
Do it right or don't do it.
I think that is a good 1-line summary.
There are tons of ways this could be done with 100% efficiency. Why not an anesthesia machine set to 15% sevo (that should be enough... I think)? Or, if you want to save money, a helium hood. Neither of those even require venous access. (And they are relatively clean and painless...)
As a bonus, the condemned convict's final words will be really, really deep.
Retrograde wireThe problem is that they should have used the BIS monitor.
This is a brilliant idea!A gas chamber full of xenon. 1 MAC is about 70%. The person will breath himself off to sleep, then have a hypoxic arrest and die. No veins to blow. No pharmaceutical company to get antsy about it. No patent. No need to get around EU export bans.
As a bonus, the condemned convict's final words will be really, really deep. (In tone, not necessarily content.) The death penalty is all about style and drama anyway.
A gas chamber full of xenon.
fing hilariousA gas chamber full of xenon. 1 MAC is about 70%. The person will breath himself off to sleep, then have a hypoxic arrest and die. No veins to blow. No pharmaceutical company to get antsy about it. No patent. No need to get around EU export bans.
As a bonus, the condemned convict's final words will be really, really deep. (In tone, not necessarily content.) The death penalty is all about style and drama anyway.
Do you have any idea how expensive xenon is? The lethal injection done correctly is cheap and effective.
Do you have any idea how expensive xenon is? The lethal injection done correctly is cheap and effective.
Nitrous oxide then. Lots cheaper.
Jeez y'all, nothing exotic is necessary. CO2 is the best of all worlds - cheap, , fast, readily available, 100% effective, no IV necessary. It's used to euthanize animals everyday. Put them in the chamber, close it up, CO2 in, everything else vents out. They're unconscious from hypercarbic narcosis before oxygen starvation even registers.
Doesn't get much cheeper or humane than a guillotine, painless for the victim, 100% effective, organs not tainted or damaged by any chemical and it's resuable.
Sometimes you have to leave perfect alone.
Why the guillotine? Why not firing squad? Sure, lethal injection is fraught with beaureaucratic bullcrap. Who cares? As long as it works? Maybe it didn't work in this circumstance. It should have. They ****** up. Maybe they should have had a backup plan. In any case, yeah..
Jeez y'all, nothing exotic is necessary. CO2 is the best of all worlds - cheap, , fast, readily available, 100% effective, no IV necessary. It's used to euthanize animals everyday. Put them in the chamber, close it up, CO2 in, everything else vents out. They're unconscious from hypercarbic narcosis before oxygen starvation even registers.
The interesting part I see is IV inserted into patients groin. I can't imagine they have central line kits. So maybe they use a 14 g to try to cannulate the femoral? Having done a few of these on "robust" patients where you could barely get the introducer in, I can see barely getting the IV in and it backing out. Sounds like poor planning. IO would have been more straight forward.
Doesn't get much cheeper or humane than a guillotine, painless for the victim, 100% effective, organs not tainted or damaged by any chemical and it's resuable.
Sometimes you have to leave perfect alone.
Because other than the blood it makes most people happy. The guillotine is reusable (cheep), painless for the victim, doesn't introduce toxins to a body that can potentially be harvested for its organs, doesn't make someone feel guilty for pulling the trigger on a firing squad (you could link a guillotine to a computer program that will automatically drop the blade at X time), and as a bonus for all the sadistic types the blood might make them happy. Almost everyone wins.
Doesn't get much cheeper or humane than a guillotine, painless for the victim, 100% effective, organs not tainted or damaged by any chemical and it's resuable.
Sometimes you have to leave perfect alone.
Do you have any idea how expensive xenon is? The lethal injection done correctly is cheap and effective.
You don't hear about these problems in Texas do you? I wonder why.
An analysis of the cost of a 40‐yr‐old ASA I, adult male weighing 70 kg undergoing simulated elective surgery, found that 240 min of closed‐circuit xenon anaesthesia would cost $356
Jeez y'all, nothing exotic is necessary. CO2 is the best of all worlds - cheap, , fast, readily available, 100% effective, no IV necessary. It's used to euthanize animals everyday. Put them in the chamber, close it up, CO2 in, everything else vents out. They're unconscious from hypercarbic narcosis before oxygen starvation even registers.
In what context did you euthanize animals?
The justice system in this country has proven itself to be fallible and discriminatory time and time again. How often do you hear about wrongful convictions being overturned?
If these people can't even get an IV straight, how can we trust that each and every person gets a truly fair day in court? If they can botch the execution process they can botch the process that led to the death penalty conviction in the first place.
Remember the hippocratic oath? How do some of you reconcile that with the pleasure you seem like you would get from pushing the execution drugs yourself? Scary...
Guillotine?? R u not at all worried about bacterial transmission via the blade? Can lead to sepsis, ARDS.. Etc. I'm telling u just use a BIS.
the death penalty is effective in getting confessions from accused murderers. "If you tell us where the body is, we'll drop the death penalty and go for life in prison." It happens often. Also, society benefits from the threat of the death penalty. Lots of criminals say, "I won't do that, I could get the gas chamber for that."
Sure, we've killed a few innocent people. That sucks. But it's so rare it's not really worth worrying about. 25k people die every year in america due to traffic accidents. About that many die as a direct result of alcohol. several thousand more die in swimming pools... Society needs a threat.