Where are all the caribean failure stories?

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jeffk805dent said:
correction: most current people in the world have a little bit of tool in them.

It's a dog eat dog world out there.
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jeffk805dent said:
correction: most current people in the world have a little bit of tool in them.

It's a dog eat dog world out there.
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I dunno. I haven't had a little bit of tool in me since my experimental phase in college.
 
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Maybe because they're done with Medicine, and are doing something else, like trying to pay down a huge debt?

If there is a 40-50% attrition rate and then a 60% match rate from a school like SGU, why isn't there a thread on SDN or some other website FILLED with people's horror stories?
 
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Even though there's a bias in reporting here, I think there are plenty of horror stories from the Carib around SDN. Your version of horror story may differ from mine, of course, but here are a few for your consideration:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/negatives-of-carribean.421784/#post-5359037
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/eras-scramble-good-idea-or-not.600260/#post-7879311
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/st-georges-university-and-surgery.203331/#post-2674785
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...grad-who-wants-to-redo-medical-school.989141/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/this-is-why-you-avoid-carribean-med-schools.812905/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/matched-pm-r-but-not-prelim.896548/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/scramble-advice.346520/#post-9414818
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/to-all-imgs.186566/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ross-to-mention-the-dismissal-or-not.1048822/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...medical-school-after-failing-step-one.891899/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/us-fmg-4th-year-clerkships.953921/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/unmatched-em-what-to-do-with-my-application.1062593/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/help-possible-dismissal.1008422/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-a-caribbean-medical-school-what-now.1080564/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...continue-the-pursuit-of-an-md-degree.1094457/

Of course, there are stories posted elsewhere. A sample:
http://www.valuemd.com/st-georges-university-school-medicine/193288-scramble-depression-17.html
http://www.valuemd.com/residency-match-forum/185715-matching.html
http://www.valuemd.com/american-university-caribbean-auc/14771-auc-help-scramble.html
http://www.valuemd.com/residency-match-forum/131134-scramble-lottery-better.html
http://www.valuemd.com/residency-match-forum/161669-message-didnt-match.html
http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-school-medicine/209666-devastated-match.html
http://www.valuemd.com/residency-match-forum/237300-match-time-whatre-chances-second-time.html
http://www.valuemd.com/residency-ma...r-preliminary-medicine-good-scores-match.html
http://www.valuemd.com/st-georges-university-school-medicine/236125-didnt-match-guys.html

(NB: Not ragging on Carib grads themselves. Just that matching in the US is hard out of there. And attrition and what not.)
 
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Am I a bad person for going over to ValueMD whenever I need a dose of schadenfreude?
 
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Siggy said:
Am I a bad person for going over to ValueMD whenever I need a dose of schadenfreude?
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A little. A lot of these people didn't do much wrong but have a dream and then a subsequent life event that derailed it permanently. When you go to the Caribbean, one mistake can cost you a future. I sympathize with them, I don't delight in their misfortunes.
 
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BrooklynBulls said:
A little. A lot of these people didn't do much wrong but have a dream and then a subsequent life event that derailed it permanently. When you go to the Caribbean, one mistake can cost you a future. I sympathize with them, I don't delight in their misfortunes.
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granted its a small sample size but some of these students heading to Caribbean med schools kept rubbing in my face that they'll "have a better job market than dentists" or "having a large house with a swimming pool."

Sorry but if they were humble, I wouldnt have chuckled at seeing them fail. I work hard and make good money but I don't rub that information in people's faces. I'll let my local community decide my reputation for me.
 
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jeffk805dent said:
granted its a small sample size but some of these students heading to Caribbean med schools kept rubbing in my face that they'll "have a better job market than dentists" or "having a large house with a swimming pool."

Sorry but if they were humble, I wouldnt have chuckled at seeing them fail. I work hard and make good money but I don't rub that information in people's faces. I'll let my local community decide my reputation for me.
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I'd chuckle at seeing THEM fail too. And they did probably fail. I find those that fail tend to go in without knowing what they're getting themselves into.

But still, for people like Attendings, Residents, even myself as a 4th year Osteopathic student, it's easy to sympathize, coming from a place of relative privilege.

I see the corner into which a lot of these people have backed into, and as cynical and sometimes even cold as I can be, it plucks my heartstrings to see how much of the system is rigged against them. And it looks like it's getting worse.
 
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BrooklynBulls said:
I'd chuckle at seeing THEM fail too. And they did probably fail. I find those that fail tend to go in without knowing what they're getting themselves into.

But still, for people like Attendings, Residents, even myself as a 4th year Osteopathic student, it's easy to sympathize, coming from a place of relative privilege.

I see the corner into which a lot of these people have backed into, and as cynical and sometimes even cold as I can be, it plucks my heartstrings to see how much of the system is rigged against them. And it looks like it's getting worse.
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Nothing is rigged against them. They're being given a second chance
 
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JFC. i just read all those links and freaked myself out even more than I was before.

13 days and counting. or not counting. no, i totally am counting. ldkfjslkdjfslhfsjdlfskfjs:vomit:
 
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PL198 said:
yeah ban em all

but really if you can't see the difference between someone who won't be able to practice till they are 50+ and a woman choosing to work less, I can't help you
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A woman working half-time for 30 years and a physician that works full-time for 15 years are putting in the same work. We shouldn't be drawing distinctions as to what is best for "society." Let the most talented physician have the job. Who knows, maybe they'll come up with something revolutionary in those 15 years of practice care of their prior background in engineering or pharm or chemistry or whatever.
 
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SouthernSurgeon said:
It's an interesting philosophical argument. Medical training is federally subsidized and stands in this odd position where it is kind of sort of a public service but also with strong individualistic/free-market pulls (this dichotomy of course causing much of the problems in our medical system).

But you can make an argument that schools should be considering the public good/healthcare needs of society in their admissions. I don't personally agree, but I can see it. That's largely the philosophical basis of URM admissions (i.e. that those URM physicians will better serve the needs of their community which is typically underserved). So you could make a similar agist argument that its a "waste" to train a physician who won't be in practice as long as a traditional aged student.

It's just a little odd to hear that particular argument coming from the captain of the junior-tea party club.
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But if we start going down that road, then you could effectively ban women from admission- they are far, far more likely to practice part or half time. Or we could stop taking physicians with certain conditions, disabilities, lifestyle factors, and genetic predispositions that substantially lessen life expectancy. Age isn't the only factor that might limit the amount of practice a physician can offer, basically, and drawing that line opens up a bunch of other ones that are far less palatable. I don't like the road that could lead us down, basically.

And the irony of the bolded was not lost on me either :laugh:
 
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honestly i dont even really understand the match. we had a match too but i have erased that part of my life from my head so i dont really remember how it works.
 
SouthernSurgeon said:
It's remarkably simple.

Rank the programs in the order you like them, and you maximize your chances of getting what you want.

But for some reason people obsess with overthinking it and try to game the match.
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everyone on my end keeps asking me a zillion times about whats going on with him and the match and offering congratulations and im like shut up shut up leave me alone AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
 
I honestly dont care where he matches as long as its somewhere that he feels he'll have a good experience and he is happy with. Me hating flyover states, country music, and being in the middle of ****ing nowhere is sort of secondary to having to deal with a pissed off Kaus day in and day out bc he's miserable where he is.

(see, i have a heart and common sense. sometimes)
 
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PL198 said:
the non-trads I know who are cocky and try to act like they have some superior knowledge to everyone are early 30s. my point is just that it's stupid for schools to let in these 40 yr old people when their career longevity is probably half as long as their counterpart. Yeah if the dude gets a 40 on the MCAT, let him in, but I don't get that vibe from any of the really older non-trads I know and I'm sure there's a plethora of people with 99 % of the academic achievements
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Just as a counter point, most of the older non-trads in my class are more mature, quite humble, and noticeably hard working (every single one I know is a hard worker, none of them are just skating by and passing). Even if they theoretically practice one or two decades less, I genuinely believe they will make amazing physicians, possibly better physicians than some of the less mature younger kiddies in our class because they have so much more experience wit people and balancing life with their careers. I think they bring something unique to the table.

Sorry your experience was different, but I just wanted to add the other view. I personally think non-trads have a lot to offer and bring something unique to medicine.

Think of if this way, when you're giving up a past career, a stable job, or you already have a family....going into years of training for medicine is crazy. So the ones that do it have very strong reasons, and are very driven, hard working, and humble as a result. This isn't every case, but this is how my non-trad friends are.
 
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Well...this thread is depressing
 
got a match?

SouthernSurgeon said:
Match match match. Matchy match match.

Do you think he'll match?

Where does he want to match?

Where do you want him to match?

Do you think you'll have to move?

Do you think he'll have to move?

Do you like snow?

Do you like flyover states?

Do you like country music?
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fancymylotus said:
I honestly dont care where he matches as long as its somewhere that he feels he'll have a good experience and he is happy with. Me hating flyover states, country music, and being in the middle of ****ing nowhere is sort of secondary to having to deal with a pissed off Kaus day in and day out bc he's miserable where he is.

(see, i have a heart and common sense. sometimes)
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IOWA IS CALLING YOUR NAME
 
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jeffk805dent said:
granted its a small sample size but some of these students heading to Caribbean med schools kept rubbing in my face that they'll "have a better job market than dentists" or "having a large house with a swimming pool."

Sorry but if they were humble, I wouldnt have chuckled at seeing them fail. I work hard and make good money but I don't rub that information in people's faces. I'll let my local community decide my reputation for me.
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My parents have this friend whose kid didnt get into dental school and ended up at a Caribbean med school. Hes back in the US now doing his third year rotations, I saw him at a Diwali party in Nov, and he would not shut up about the prestige factor of MD vs DDS.

I was like "plz get out of my face till youve actually 1) gotten that MD you wont stfu about, and 2) when youre a practicing physician. till then go away"
 
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if you use the word privilege, I hate you
 
SouthernSurgeon said:
It's remarkably simple.

Rank the programs in the order you like them, and you maximize your chances of getting what you want.

But for some reason people obsess with overthinking it and try to game the match.
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It's literally the exact same way sorority recruitment worked at my undergrad.
I don't get the confusion over it
 
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SouthernSurgeon said:
This one broke my spirit.

That poster is broke (defaulted on federal loans), got divorced from their physician spouse, has tried to match at least 3 times.

And still, after all that, can't accept the reality and is asking how they can start from scratch and reapply to start med school all over again....
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This is a trend I've noticed before among the offshore stories but its always been interesting to me that many of the "offshore horror stories" or even "didn't match from wherever" stories are written in a style that would suggest that English is not their native language. Like this thread for instance, even though this person apparently went to a US MD school for 3 years, it's pretty clear from the writing style that either the OP is a terrible writer or that she doesn't fully grasp the usual nuances of writing in English.

Just an interesting fact I've noted quite a few times with those sorts of posts.
 
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