Why soo few blacks in medicine ?

[iave9963]

I will admit that I didn't read every post. But a summary answer follows. And it is probably politically incorrect but is 100% factual.

The simple reason there are not many blacks in medical school (same as optometry, dental and all professional level programs) is a basic lack of supply.

1. About 50% of black males have a criminal record (presumably disqualifying them).
2. The average IQ of African-Americans is 85. (Only about 2% score at 115 or above needed for advanced study.)
3. Blacks make up only 13% of the American population.

These 3 facts alone-- combined with the desire-- leaves a very small number of potential black applicants to spread out among all the professional schools. All schools search high and low to find African-American students. There just isn't a big pool to recruit from. I had one black female in my class of 120 Optometry students.

Although I agree with your first and third statement, your second needs clarifying as it comes off less Un-PC and more right wing ideology.

"A large number of studies have shown that systemically disadvantaged minorities, such as the African American minority of the United States generally perform worse in the educational system and in intelligence tests than the majority groups or less disadvantaged minorities such as immigrant or "voluntary" minorities.[44] The explanation of these findings may be that children of caste-like minorities, due to the systemic limitations of their prospects of social advancement, do not have "effort optimism", i.e. they do not have the confidence that acquiring the skills valued by majority society, such as those skills measured by IQ tests, is worthwhile. "

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[Tippytoe]

Although I agree with your first and third statement, your second needs clarifying as it comes off less Un-PC and more right wing ideology.

"A large number of studies have shown that systemically disadvantaged minorities, such as the African American minority of the United States generally perform worse in the educational system and in intelligence tests than the majority groups or less disadvantaged minorities such as immigrant or "voluntary" minorities.[44] The explanation of these findings may be that children of caste-like minorities, due to the systemic limitations of their prospects of social advancement, do not have "effort optimism", i.e. they do not have the confidence that acquiring the skills valued by majority society, such as those skills measured by IQ tests, is worthwhile. "

No "right wing ideology".......just an ability to Google and read :

Blacks score less on EVERY kind of intelligence testing from military to SAT to LSAT to MCAT to IQ:

ASVAB (Military) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/high-school-grads-fail-military-exam_n_799767.html?
( IQ) http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm
(SAT) http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
(MCAT) http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/even-in-medical-school-affirmative-action-rules/

Sorry to be the one to bring this info to light. But it is what it is. And once we all realize it, it will make American society perfectly understandable. We've put a group of people, who (a large chunk) are borderline ******ed into a regular society and expected them to function as normal people. It's sad really. Totally explains Baltimore, to relate it to modern news. Even James Watson (co-discover DNA genius) got in trouble for being a "race-realist" when everyone wanted to brand him a racist.

 

[That_Donkey]

No "right wing ideology".......just an ability to Google and read :

Blacks score less on EVERY kind of intelligence testing from military to SAT to LSAT to MCAT to IQ:

ASVAB (Military) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/high-school-grads-fail-military-exam_n_799767.html?
( IQ) http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm
(SAT) http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
(MCAT) http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/even-in-medical-school-affirmative-action-rules/

Sorry to be the one to bring this info to light. But it is what it is. And once we all realize it, it will make American society perfectly understandable. We've put a group of people, who (a large chunk) are borderline ******ed into a regular society and expected them to function as normal people. It's sad really. Totally explains Baltimore, to relate it to modern news. Even James Watson (co-discover DNA genius) got in trouble for being a "race-realist" when everyone wanted to brand him a racist.

Wow just wow. I'm lost for words.

 

[Winged Scapula]

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[Eokpar02]

No "right wing ideology".......just an ability to Google and read :

Blacks score less on EVERY kind of intelligence testing from military to SAT to LSAT to MCAT to IQ:

ASVAB (Military) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/high-school-grads-fail-military-exam_n_799767.html?
( IQ) http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm
(SAT) http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
(MCAT) http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/even-in-medical-school-affirmative-action-rules/

Sorry to be the one to bring this info to light. But it is what it is. And once we all realize it, it will make American society perfectly understandable. We've put a group of people, who (a large chunk) are borderline ******ed into a regular society and expected them to function as normal people. It's sad really. Totally explains Baltimore, to relate it to modern news. Even James Watson (co-discover DNA genius) got in trouble for being a "race-realist" when everyone wanted to brand him a racist.

You are correct about blacks scoring less but that isn't racial. If it were, blacks in Africa would score the same as blacks in America. This is obviously not the case. If you examine white countries, there are huge IQ gaps across borders even though they are the same exact race of people. IQ rose and fell standard deviations in countries like Ukraine and Ireland over very short periods of time. Don't believe me? http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/

Portugal's IQ fell 13 points over 8 years (1979-1987). Poland's fell by 14 points 10 years (1979-1989). In Ireland, IQ ROSE 11 points over a 7 year period. Also, if you look at the data, some white countries had or have IQs that are the same as American blacks. Don't believe me? In 1978, Thomas Sowell published data on 1920s IQ scores for southern and eastern Europeans immigrants. ALL OF THEM scored below American blacks: Slovaks at 85.6, Greeks at 83, Poles at 85, Spaniards at 78, and Italians ranging between 78 and 85 in different studies. Irish IQs rose with a correlation of 0.86 from 1972 to 2012! There are all white countries in Europe, (Albania, Bosnia, ) that have average IQs LOWER than the black American average. If truly the difference was racial, it would be uniform but there ARE HUGE differences among whites living a stone's throw from one another.

Blaming riots on IQ just shows you have a low one. I can show you videos of Ukrainians (white people) and Greeks (white people) burning down whole city blocks. You have be insanely uniformed to think only black people riot!






I can also show you whites killing each other by the tens of millions in World Wars and genocides. You are implying the low IQ of American blacks makes them more likely to be violent. If this were true I wouldn't be able to find a single instance of whites acting FAR WORSE. Do know anything about the all white USSR and their killing machine that killed 10s of millions? How about the all white Third Reich and their killing machine? Asians, who have higher IQs than whites have also created massive death machines as well. Mao Ze Dong, one of the gentile high IQ Asians killed 60 million people.

 

[Eokpar02]

Wow just wow. I'm lost for words.

His data is correct. Blacks score much lower on tests then other races. American blacks score much lower than their immigrants African brethren as well. Instead of saying "Wow" you could easily debate the issue.

 

[That_Donkey]

His data is correct. Blacks score much lower on tests then other races. American blacks score much lower than their immigrants African brethren as well. Instead of saying "Wow" you could easily debate the issue.

Nope not worth it. I just find it a little offensive to classify "a large chunk" as "borderline ******ed".

 

[Eokpar02]

Nope not worth it. I just find it a little offensive to classify "a large chunk" as "borderline ******ed".

Three reasons why there are few black doctors:

1. Since the 60s, the black family has been eviscerated. 75-85% of all black children in the year 1960 were born to a mother who was married to the baby's father. Today, 72% of all black children are born to single mother's. This has been the number one cause of 90% of all the problems you see among black people today but is easily correctable: end all welfare ASAP. Without welfare, women wouldn't be able to raise children by their lonesome and wouldn't receive benefits for having children out of wedlock.

2. Disastrous public schooling. Public schooling for many black kids leaves them functionally illiterate at graduation. My cure to this would be to end all public schooling altogether.

3. Stupid cultural meme that puts down education. Black kids are "shamed" by other black kids because of "acting white". Black Americans are woefully anti-intellectual and black men are the least intellectually interested men I have ever met in my life. In NYC, all the entrepreneurship meetups, science meetups, etc. are attended by white people and a few Asians. I am almost always the only black person there. The brain is a muscle and people display great neuroplasticity up until their 20s. Blacks are born in a country where they have great opportunities but squander them when they acquire a victim mentality.

 

[iave9963]

No "right wing ideology".......just an ability to Google and read :

Blacks score less on EVERY kind of intelligence testing from military to SAT to LSAT to MCAT to IQ:

ASVAB (Military) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/high-school-grads-fail-military-exam_n_799767.html?
( IQ) http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm
(SAT) http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
(MCAT) http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/even-in-medical-school-affirmative-action-rules/

Sorry to be the one to bring this info to light. But it is what it is. And once we all realize it, it will make American society perfectly understandable. We've put a group of people, who (a large chunk) are borderline ******ed into a regular society and expected them to function as normal people. It's sad really. Totally explains Baltimore, to relate it to modern news. Even James Watson (co-discover DNA genius) got in trouble for being a "race-realist" when everyone wanted to brand him a racist.

I sensed how you really were before you even responded to my post. Thanks for proving me right! I think this argument was finished by Eokpar02. It's a shame you live in such a close minded reality. You'll feel right at home here on SDN blaming all the other minorities (black americans) that stole "your" spot. For anyone reading this, if you honestly believe that africans, or any race for that matter, is genetically less intelligent you have some soul searching to do.

 

[Eokpar02]

I sensed how you really were before you even responded to my post. Thanks for proving me right! I think this argument was finished by Eokpar02. It's a shame you live in such a close minded reality. You'll feel right at home here on SDN blaming all the other minorities (black americans) that stole "your" spot. For anyone reading this, if you honestly believe that africans, or any race for that matter, is genetically less intelligent you have some soul searching to do.

He isn't wrong. Blacks DO score lower on every exam of scholastic ability. There is nothing close-minded about stating facts. I do think there are genetic differences between the races; sickle cell trait, Tay-Sachs disease, etc.. It isn't odd to think of intellect is one of these traits that differ.

 

[iave9963]

He isn't wrong. Blacks DO score lower on every exam of scholastic ability. There is nothing close-minded about stating facts. I do think there are genetic differences between the races; sickle cell trait, Tay-Sachs disease, etc.. It isn't odd to think of intellect is one of these traits that differ.

What's close minded isn't stating facts, it's the fact that he used specific examples which don't' take into account socio-economic factors along with things you yourself mentioned above for why you don't see a lot of blacks in medicine. No one is disagreeing about genetic difference between races, BUT all those are proven via controlled research. Show me controlled research (same upbringing, same schools, same economic factors, same parental mindset, alleles coding for intelligence, etc) that says blacks are genetically less intelligent. Until then I will keep with the assumption that people who use the "blacks are less intelligent because of genetics" line are full of **** and have some obvious misplaced hatred.

 

[Tippytoe]

What's close minded isn't stating facts, it's the fact that he used specific examples which don't' take into account socio-economic factors along with things you yourself mentioned above for why you don't see a lot of blacks in medicine. No one is disagreeing about genetic difference between races, BUT all those are proven via controlled research. Show me controlled research (same upbringing, same schools, same economic factors, same parental mindset, alleles coding for intelligence, etc) that says blacks are genetically less intelligent. Until then I will keep with the assumption that people who use the "blacks are less intelligent because of genetics" line are full of **** and have some obvious misplaced hatred.

Just because you deny facts doesn't make them incorrect. I repeat, without any racial animosity whatsoever, EVERY STANDARIZED TEST OVER THE PAST 80 YEARS SHOW BLACKS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN WHITES (BY 15 POINTS OR ONE STANDARD DEVIATION) AND ASIANS MORE INTELLENT THAN WHITES (BY ABOUT 5 POINTS. That is all. It is what it is. Cry racism if you want. I did not make up or administer the tests. I'm just the messenger. I'm sure I will be banned over this, though. It's not politically correct and might be 'hurting some people's precious feelings'. But facts ARE facts my friends. Look up the stats I post and prove me wrong if you can.

By definition if blacks average IQ is 85 that means 1/2 are less than that. Originally, one standard deviation below 100 (which is 85) was considered '******ed' level but that was changed to two standard deviations (70) when it was realized that, at 85, it would mean fully one half of blacks would be classified as '******ed'. So by changing it to 70, 'only' like 15% of blacks are officially labeled '******ed' but another like, 50%, are at 'borderline ******ed' levels. So that is what is meant by "a large chunk"-- (ie. 75% of American blacks are stupid). There is no other way to put it. This explains who so few blacks are in college, why so many are in jail and why cities turned over to blacks, like Detroit and Chicago have turned into 3rd world-like slums. Don't get me wrong-- Many whites are stupid too. And there are some VERY INTELLIGENT blacks, of course. It's just that the numbers don't lie. It's statistics. It's genetics. I love everyone. But I live in reality.

 

[dyachei]

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