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i would appreciate it if someone who is knowledgeable in this field could comment on the lifestyle of an anesthesiologist.

what are the typical hours (50-60 hrs a week)?

what is the average salary after residency($220,000)?

how stressful a stressful specialty would u say this is as compared to other specialties?

does an anesthesiologist need alot of malpractice coverage?

what would u say are the pros and cons of practicing as an anesthesiologist?

is there a particular part of the country with a demand or inadequate supply of anesthesiologists? (i.e. midwest or southwest?)

suppose an anesthesiologist works in a hospital. there are several deaprtments that require anesthesia for treatment (i.e. OB-GYN, surgery, etc.) is there a separate anesthesiologist for each of these departments, or does an anesthesiolgist rotate in each of these departments?

is there any aspect of anesthesiology that has made u regret going into this field? Is there anything that u wish u knew before u got into this field?

i would appreciate any feedback. thank you.

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Here's my 2 cents as a CA-1. They are good questions. I am putting my answers between the questions.

Originally posted by prominence
i would appreciate it if someone who is knowledgeable in this field could comment on the lifestyle of an anesthesiologist. Traditionally considered one of the best lifestyle specialties, esp. for the high pay. Usually, anesthesiologists work less than say internist or surgeons b/c we don't round on patients. All we do is work in the OR and as soon as your shift is over, then you go home. Even w/ the hard cases (i.e. CABG), an anesthesiologist can just give report to the next guy. There's never a need to stay over unless the ORs are short on help.

what are the typical hours (50-60 hrs a week)?
Most academic attgs have very good hours w/ many days off and vacation weeks. I would guess most academic attgs, in exchange for lower pay and teaching, get between 6-8 weeks off a year, assuming they are clinical and not research oriented. Most anesthesiologist generally work about 50-60 hours a week. That's probably for a 200-300K salary. If you want to make 500K, then of course you will have to work more. Community attgs generally work longer hours but make 1.5-3x as much.

what is the average salary after residency($220,000)?
the minimum for a full time attg is generally in the 200K's, even in doctor saturated states like California. This is partly due to the large shortage of anesthesiologist, quoted as being another "10 year shortage" (but who really knows?) according to some creditable studies, including a paper that came out a year or so from Mayo Clinic's anesthesia dept. Its not difficult to find a job w/ pays starting in the mid to high 300K's for new residents. You can easily imagine some community attendings w/ several years of experience making in excess of 0.5 million. But, in general, I would bet most attendings make 200Ks-350Ks. When you look at websites such as "gasworks", you must understand that sometimes, the salaries of "150,000" is just a "base salary". It doesn't include the very large year end pool of profit that the partners split up. So, an important point of contract negotiations for jobs is the ability to gain partnership.

how stressful a stressful specialty would u say this is as compared to other specialties?
This specialty is a classical example of where the water looks serene only on the surface. Meaning, the dangers are lurking aplenty in the water's depth. Most medical students never get a good idea of how dangerous anesthesiology can be. They rotate through it for 2 weeks if they are lucky and often times are shadowing the best attgs and seeing healthy patients. They are not always in the surgeries the whole time.
But in general, I would say that anesthesiology is stressful in its own ways. The lifestyle/hours are great. But, patients do "crash" in front of your eyes, usually at induction and emergence. The most common cause of death is hypoxia when the airway cannot be secured. Even the most great airway on examination can become difficult unexpectedly after you have pushed the tube of propofol and you find out that you just can't find the damn vocal cords. To make matters worst, you cannot mask ventilate. Oh my gosh...the O2 sat is dropping 90-80-70-60!!!! You can usually only appreciate this part of anesthesia as a resident. I would say I get a difficult awy about once a month. These are the times why anesthesiologists are paid more than say an internist. An internist would not have the skills to manage hypoxia and secure the awy. There are other examples.


does an anesthesiologist need alot of malpractice coverage?

what would u say are the pros and cons of practicing as an anesthesiologist?

is there a particular part of the country with a demand or inadequate supply of anesthesiologists? (i.e. midwest or southwest?)

suppose an anesthesiologist works in a hospital. there are several deaprtments that require anesthesia for treatment (i.e. OB-GYN, surgery, etc.) is there a separate anesthesiologist for each of these departments, or does an anesthesiolgist rotate in each of these departments?

is there any aspect of anesthesiology that has made u regret going into this field? Is there anything that u wish u knew before u got into this field?

i would appreciate any feedback. thank you.
 
prominence,

while i am certainly NOT an expert in the field or able to answer the majority of your questions, being as no one else has contributed, i thought i would share some interesting facts i came across.

1) Mean annual income after expenses and before taxes for anesthesiologists was $236K (High=Ortho@$331K; Low=Psych@$136K) [AMA: Physician Socioeconomic Statistics, 1999]

2) Average weekly work hours of anesthesiologists are 55.5 in patient care; 60.0 in all professional activities [AMA: Socioeconomic characteristics of Medical Practice, 1999-2000]

Hope this helps!

**Although your other questions are excellent as well, I'm guessing that the majority of visitors to this site are medical students or residents-to-be, and probably aren't qualified or don't have the life experience to answer them! If you (or anyone) finds an attending or senior resident that can fill us in, I'm sure we'd all be appreciative! :)
 
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The cost of insurance for anesthesiologists is in the middle, but probably above average. Lawsuits generally include everyone who is involved in an incident whether or not they were at fault, so if you are working with specialists who are highly sued then you may see some of that (neurogsurgery and OB). Trauma patients also sue very frequently and as an anesthesiologist you will be involved with their care.
The 2 most common reasons for either suits or settlements (I'm not sure which) are dental damage and peripheral nerve damage, usually due to patient positioning in surgery.

In big academic centers the anesthesiologists are more likely to have a specialty and focus on that. However, there are many docs that still cover other areas in these insititions. In smaller academic and community centers anesthesiologists often rotate and share the burden of some less interesting cases like sedation outside of the OR. A lot of institutions use CRNA's for some routine things like that. Of course, you can opt out of certain areas, like cardiac or peds for instance, if you don't like or feel competent enough in these areas.
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I worked with some anesthesiologists at a community hospital and one of them told me that his malpractice was around $10,000 a year. Their malpractice has gone down considerably over the years all due to the pulse ox. This malpractice amount is nothing compared to the $90,000-110,000 per year that some of the OB/GYN docs at the our teaching hospital pay.
 
Hi I was wondering if this was true... Recently I was shadowing a Pain Doctor who told me there are doctors making 1 to 2 million dollars year easy... also that many pain doctors are making 750000 starting... This was directly from a working doc in pain.... can someone please confirm these claiims....
thanks
 
Seriously doubt it, although I'm no guru on the subject. Remember, unless you are well connected after you get out, starting a private pain clinic can be fairly difficult depending on where you go. Even with great connections, it may take time to make partner. That being said... there are plenty of pain folks who make that kind of dough. For me.... I'm looking for that TEE certificate!
 
The originals posters question about what you like least about the field now that you are in it is a good one, anyone want to respond?
 
prominence said:
i would appreciate it if someone who is knowledgeable in this field could comment on the lifestyle of an anesthesiologist.

what are the typical hours (50-60 hrs a week)?

what is the average salary after residency($220,000)?

how stressful a stressful specialty would u say this is as compared to other specialties?

does an anesthesiologist need alot of malpractice coverage?

what would u say are the pros and cons of practicing as an anesthesiologist?

is there a particular part of the country with a demand or inadequate supply of anesthesiologists? (i.e. midwest or southwest?)

suppose an anesthesiologist works in a hospital. there are several deaprtments that require anesthesia for treatment (i.e. OB-GYN, surgery, etc.) is there a separate anesthesiologist for each of these departments, or does an anesthesiolgist rotate in each of these departments?

is there any aspect of anesthesiology that has made u regret going into this field? Is there anything that u wish u knew before u got into this field?

i would appreciate any feedback. thank you.

These are all great questions. Something you'll find about the specialty is that the answers to the questions is VERY variable, depending on your location and what group model you practice under.

I'd say most anesthesiologists work about 45-50 hours a week, but the distribution is variable day to day. I have 3 partners. 2 of us are on days during the week, one guy is on nights, and one guy is on vacation. So we work 2 weeks days, one week nights (which includes your 48 hour weekend call), then a week off.
During the week, one dude is late MWF, meaning he stays til 5pm when the night guy gets there. He is the "late" dude. The other MD stays until the late guy can handle the days occurrences in the OR and OB, typically until 1-3pm.
Our night week is long because it includes the weekend, but what we've done is consolidate our misery into one week, giving us 2 weeks of day work only, and the other week (in the 4 week cycle) is the off week.
How a group prefers to cover the hospital is limited only by your imagination. As long as everything is covered, your schedule is left up to you (meaning the doctors in the group). Do the MDs like to consolidate their work stretches, giving everyone bigger blocks of off time? Do you prefer to have a day off every 4 days but take less weeks of vacation? Again, a group can be creative.

Salaries are very varied. The lowest salary out of my anesthesia buddies is 270k, a friend of mine who is the sole MD at a 4 room surgery center. He is usually home by 2pm. No weekends, no call, no nights, no holidays.
The highest salary is 750K, a buddy of mine in a small town with 2 partners, he is on call every third night but his call nights are not bad. He works most post call days until around noon. He works every 3rd weekend, takes alot of night call (albeit from home and gets sleep most of the time).
Most anesthesiologists in the south are in the 350-400 range.

Its hard to answer your question about stress since I think this is largely personality based and dependent on how comfortable you are with your job. I remember working with an attending when I was a resident who had a high stress level no matter what the situation was (he's a chairman now :eek: ).
Anesthesia has "stressful" situations arise on a fairly regular basis...crash c sections, difficult airways, obese patients who desaturate in 10 seconds despite adequate oxygenation, procedures like IJs/subclavians/epidurals/regional blocks made difficult by the obesity thats prevalent in this country, etc etc. If you are comfortable with anesthesia, though, and deft with procedures, these situations are more of a pain in the ass than stressful. And as your career progresses, administrative/scheduling/intra-group conflicts become the most stressful stuff. Urgent/critical situations become just part of the job.
I'd rather deal with a CANT INTUBATE, CAN HARDLY VENTILATE situation over resolving a CRNA scheduling issue (Dialogue from one of our CRNAs:"Dr Jet, Janet decided to pencil herself out of the schedule on Friday...but it wasnt authorized...we cant have this happening....can you talk to her?") any day of the week. I know how to handle/resolve the former. I'm still searching for answers on the latter.
But referring solely to clinically stressful situations, its probably one of the more stressful specialties, compared to the primary cares, psychiatry, etc. But you learn to deal with situations and they become not stressful anymore.

The pros of being an anesthesiologist is that its a cool job, you take care of patients, you get to perform cool procedures regularly, you become deft at critical care (if your case load dictates) , and you not only become deft at hemodynamic manipulation, you can do it YOURSELF. Follow me on this, because this part of the job is VERY gratifying and often overlooked.
Lets take a pulmonary critical care doc, for example. Very smart dude. Knows pulmonary physiology, vent management, knows pharmacology. But you know what? Our medicine trained critical care colleagues dont know ANY of the technical aspects. They know how nitroglycerin works, and they know how to write an order that says "titrate NTG to 130 systolic"....and the ICU RN does the rest. Most medicine trained MDs know when a pt needs intubation, but they arent great at airway management; know when they need an A-line but arent great at placing them; know when they need a central line but arent great at them. Most medicine MDs can float a SWAN but its a big ordeal for them.
All the above can be done by an anesthesiologist while thinking of the recent stock run-up of Whole Foods, or daydreaming of his Robalo center console boat. Things that are stressful to medical trained MDs are knee-jerk actions to an anesthesiologist. Pt in the ICU is coding??? The medicine dude is either freaking out, or he is calmly waiting for support to arrive to carry out what he knows needs to be done. The anesthesiologist knows how to command the airway, slam in a TLC if central circulation access is paramount, and bolus drugs to manipulate the hemodynamics. All while thinking "I'm feeling like spaghetti for dinner tonite...".
How many times have you arrived in the ICU with a CABG and seen, say, a transient hypertensive episode? Medicine dude says to the RN "start a NTP infusion." No need for that if youre an anesthesiologist. Take a 10mL syringe, pull out a couple hundred mikes of SNP outta the bottle, and squirt it into the central line. Problem solved. NOW tell the RN she MAY need nitroprusside, so be ready if the BP rises again.
Point being, we not only know what needs to be done, but we can perform what needs to be done in seconds.

Other pros are salaries in the top 10% of all MDs, with a great lifestyle to boot.

The cons of being an anesthesiologist, in my opinion, is that your group provides 24/7 coverage, which means you work your share of nights, weekends, and holidays. Nights suck. Period.

Malpractice for anesthesiologists is reasonable. In my area its around 27-30K annually.

In academia, you may see specialists that do only hearts, OB, etc. This is not the norm in the private world. You are the jack of all trades, and depending on what day it is and where you are on the "list", you are the designated OB dude one day (usually in addition to handling some OR cases), you handle the big cases when you are call-dude another day (hearts, thoracotomies, etc), etc.

All in all, if you have to work for a living, being an anesthesiologist is a great job. The pros far exceed the cons.
 
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JPP,

Per usual, great post for all those who are struggling with the decision. Thanks for the 411!
 
AWESOME :thumbup: post jet, reading that will make waking up to day #36 of internship much much brighter for this future gas passer
 
AWESOME post jet, reading that will make waking up to day #36 of internship much much brighter for this future gas passer
 
longhorns4life said:
AWESOME post jet, reading that will make waking up to day #36 of internship much much brighter for this future gas passer
JPP - I also wanted to add my thanks for your informative post. I don't post on here as frequently as others, but I certainly follow posts like yours with keen interest. You, MilitaryMD, UTSW, and others who are "out there" give the rest of us great info for when we finish. I'm a CA-2 and have other buddies who are done and practicing, but it's great to gather info like this from as many different people as possible. Keep up the good work!! :thumbup:


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jetproppilot said:
These are all great questions. Something you'll find about the specialty is that the answers to the questions is VERY variable, depending on your location and what group model you practice under.
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OUTSTANDING post, Jet. I added it to the FAQ part 1 under the 'lifestyle' question. Your post sums up why so many of us love anesthesiology. By the way, I'm post-call and slept all night after finishing my last case at 11 pm. Beats the hell out of medicine call. I was actually disappointed I didn't get called for any stat intubations!
 
so, jetproppilot, do you work in a hospital, or a office? and which is a better place to work in?
 
jetproppilot said:
These are all great questions. Something you'll find about the specialty is that the answers to the questions is VERY variable, depending on your location and what group model you practice under.

I'd say most anesthesiologists work about 45-50 hours a week, but the distribution is variable day to day. I have 3 partners. 2 of us are on days during the week, one guy is on nights, and one guy is on vacation. So we work 2 weeks days, one week nights (which includes your 48 hour weekend call), then a week off.
During the week, one dude is late MWF, meaning he stays til 5pm when the night guy gets there. He is the "late" dude. The other MD stays until the late guy can handle the days occurrences in the OR and OB, typically until 1-3pm.
Our night week is long because it includes the weekend, but what we've done is consolidate our misery into one week, giving us 2 weeks of day work only, and the other week (in the 4 week cycle) is the off week.
How a group prefers to cover the hospital is limited only by your imagination. As long as everything is covered, your schedule is left up to you (meaning the doctors in the group). Do the MDs like to consolidate their work stretches, giving everyone bigger blocks of off time? Do you prefer to have a day off every 4 days but take less weeks of vacation? Again, a group can be creative.

Salaries are very varied. The lowest salary out of my anesthesia buddies is 270k, a friend of mine who is the sole MD at a 4 room surgery center. He is usually home by 2pm. No weekends, no call, no nights, no holidays.
The highest salary is 750K, a buddy of mine in a small town with 2 partners, he is on call every third night but his call nights are not bad. He works most post call days until around noon. He works every 3rd weekend, takes alot of night call (albeit from home and gets sleep most of the time).
Most anesthesiologists in the south are in the 350-400 range.

Its hard to answer your question about stress since I think this is largely personality based and dependent on how comfortable you are with your job. I remember working with an attending when I was a resident who had a high stress level no matter what the situation was (he's a chairman now :eek: ).
Anesthesia has "stressful" situations arise on a fairly regular basis...crash c sections, difficult airways, obese patients who desaturate in 10 seconds despite adequate oxygenation, procedures like IJs/subclavians/epidurals/regional blocks made difficult by the obesity thats prevalent in this country, etc etc. If you are comfortable with anesthesia, though, and deft with procedures, these situations are more of a pain in the ass than stressful. And as your career progresses, administrative/scheduling/intra-group conflicts become the most stressful stuff. Urgent/critical situations become just part of the job.
I'd rather deal with a CANT INTUBATE, CAN HARDLY VENTILATE situation over resolving a CRNA scheduling issue (Dialogue from one of our CRNAs:"Dr Jet, Janet decided to pencil herself out of the schedule on Friday...but it wasnt authorized...we cant have this happening....can you talk to her?") any day of the week. I know how to handle/resolve the former. I'm still searching for answers on the latter.
But referring solely to clinically stressful situations, its probably one of the more stressful specialties, compared to the primary cares, psychiatry, etc. But you learn to deal with situations and they become not stressful anymore.

The pros of being an anesthesiologist is that its a cool job, you take care of patients, you get to perform cool procedures regularly, you become deft at critical care (if your case load dictates) , and you not only become deft at hemodynamic manipulation, you can do it YOURSELF. Follow me on this, because this part of the job is VERY gratifying and often overlooked.
Lets take a pulmonary critical care doc, for example. Very smart dude. Knows pulmonary physiology, vent management, knows pharmacology. But you know what? Our medicine trained critical care colleagues dont know ANY of the technical aspects. They know how nitroglycerin works, and they know how to write an order that says "titrate NTG to 130 systolic"....and the ICU RN does the rest. Most medicine trained MDs know when a pt needs intubation, but they arent great at airway management; know when they need an A-line but arent great at placing them; know when they need a central line but arent great at them. Most medicine MDs can float a SWAN but its a big ordeal for them.
All the above can be done by an anesthesiologist while thinking of the recent stock run-up of Whole Foods, or daydreaming of his Robalo center console boat. Things that are stressful to medical trained MDs are knee-jerk actions to an anesthesiologist. Pt in the ICU is coding??? The medicine dude is either freaking out, or he is calmly waiting for support to arrive to carry out what he knows needs to be done. The anesthesiologist knows how to command the airway, slam in a TLC if central circulation access is paramount, and bolus drugs to manipulate the hemodynamics. All while thinking "I'm feeling like spaghetti for dinner tonite...".
How many times have you arrived in the ICU with a CABG and seen, say, a transient hypertensive episode? Medicine dude says to the RN "start a NTP infusion." No need for that if youre an anesthesiologist. Take a 10mL syringe, pull out a couple hundred mikes of SNP outta the bottle, and squirt it into the central line. Problem solved. NOW tell the RN she MAY need nitroprusside, so be ready if the BP rises again.
Point being, we not only know what needs to be done, but we can perform what needs to be done in seconds.

Other pros are salaries in the top 10% of all MDs, with a great lifestyle to boot.

The cons of being an anesthesiologist, in my opinion, is that your group provides 24/7 coverage, which means you work your share of nights, weekends, and holidays. Nights suck. Period.

Malpractice for anesthesiologists is reasonable. In my area its around 27-30K annually.

In academia, you may see specialists that do only hearts, OB, etc. This is not the norm in the private world. You are the jack of all trades, and depending on what day it is and where you are on the "list", you are the designated OB dude one day (usually in addition to handling some OR cases), you handle the big cases when you are call-dude another day (hearts, thoracotomies, etc), etc.

All in all, if you have to work for a living, being an anesthesiologist is a great job. The pros far exceed the cons.

Agreed w/everyone else on the informative stuff... Thanks man.

I can't help but ask, being a businessman myself, what did you do with the pencil-er? I ask b/c if you did reprimand/talk to her, then that means you'd prolly have to watch the tattler closely to make sure she's not using you as a means to an end... say to settle a score. Just curious.
 
This post by Jet should be saved in a safe place during your darkest intern moments. I am back on a medicine rotation today thinking of ways to kill myself. I love to reread what I will be doing someday. Thanks Jet Daddy, you got me through another day of rounding.

PS - Big props do all who grind through a medicine prelim year. I have a categorical year with only one month of medicine and a few sub specialties and barely can tolerate it. 2 months and 28 days left.
 
lvspro said:
Agreed w/everyone else on the informative stuff... Thanks man.

I can't help but ask, being a businessman myself, what did you do with the pencil-er? I ask b/c if you did reprimand/talk to her, then that means you'd prolly have to watch the tattler closely to make sure she's not using you as a means to an end... say to settle a score. Just curious.

It fixed itself. Our group of CRNAs are pretty "talkity", meaning they know everything about every conversation that takes place within five miles of the hospital by some unknown entity I call Verbal Conflagration Phenomenon.

So via VCP, or some other entity, "Janet" found out about our distaste of the situation, and she and/or anyone else did it again.
 
jetproppilot said:
It fixed itself. Our group of CRNAs are pretty "talkity", meaning they know everything about every conversation that takes place within five miles of the hospital by some unknown entity I call Verbal Conflagration Phenomenon.

So via VCP, or some other entity, "Janet" found out about our distaste of the situation, and she and/or anyone else did it again.

meant they NEVER did it again.
 
jetproppilot said:
yo jet..

did i mention how much I hate friggin flying planes!

I thought you said that when it's stormy, etc outside the skies are friendly. Definitely not the case yesterday.

i was flying in one of those smaller jets though. friggin insane man. thought i was going to die atleast 30 times. sympathetic discharge was going crzy. palms all sweaty.

dont know how you do it.
 
ThinkFast007 said:
yo jet..

did i mention how much I hate friggin flying planes!

I thought you said that when it's stormy, etc outside the skies are friendly. Definitely not the case yesterday.

i was flying in one of those smaller jets though. friggin insane man. thought i was going to die atleast 30 times. sympathetic discharge was going crzy. palms all sweaty.

dont know how you do it.

not when its stormy, bro. When its overcast alotta times the air, although obscured by multiple gray, cirrus layers, is smooth.

Circumvavigating thunderstorms can be pretty bumpy.

No big deal since whenever I get scared I just close my eyes. :D
 
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