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Why don't you just c**kslap me, Pritzker. A 12 year old Doogie Howser MD / PhD at U of C?

When it rains, it pours. For the article, go to www.chicagotribune.com

Gumshoe
 
ha ha, yesterdays news 😉 this was all the chatter over in the mudphud forum a few months back 😛
 
I remember people awhile back wondering what he got on the MCAT. From the article it looks like a 40 or 41. Pretty insane.

"Sho had perfect scores in the quantitative and analytical sections of the graduate school admissions test. His Medical College Admissions Test scores--at 13 or 14 out of 15 for each of the sections--make him among the best of the best."

Has anyone here met him yet?
 
There is a pair of 16 year old twins up in UMDNJ
Regards.
 
sigh, how do they do it?
 
Well, that's obviously great news for the kid, but I know I wouldn't have traded my 12-year old days spent watching football on weekends and Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on the weekdays for anything.

If I was this kid, I'd milk it. Snooze thru high school, get A's without studying, and chase skirts in the meantime. Come college, snooze and get more A's, and chase more skirts! And if I got bored with chasing skirts, I'd just load up on credits and graduate at 20.
 
can someone cut n paste that article? dont got a subscription to the chicago tribune


thanks,
rock
 
This is rediculous. What kind of life experience and/or maturity can you have at age 12. I'm disgusted.
 
I know it's one in a billion, but it is sort of a slap in the face that the doctors are all about having gone through a lot (maturity, etc. as Agent said) in order to become "worthy" of proving yourself and getting into a med school.

Sure this guy is smart. Perhaps he is "smarter" than I. But as we know (or are told) this doctor thing goes far beyond intelligence. One one level it's a joke; and I'm sure many doctors involved in thinking about admitting this kid said HELL NO to letting him in. But it is only one spot, and it's prestige.

We must remember that he is going for a MD / PhD which means he won't really be clinical. At least I hope not.

The other interesting thing is the cultural part of it. Obviously, Asians have a much different outlook on raising children. That's why they are so insanely obsessive with their kids grades, that they play violin from the womb, etc. Also, to be fair, clearly they aren't all like that. Most of what we see are the fortunate asians who were able to come to America and pursue a better life. Just like other groups, all their people aren't smart. Well, I just think it's ridiculous that you would even entertain that idea [going to med school at such an age], but I come from a different view point. To me, it's like raising a ROBOT ... "Small Wonder" type **** ..... Anyway, my thoughts...

Gumshoe
 
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Here's the article:

At age 12, it's off to medical school

After facing the demands of college as 9-year-old, prodigy prepares to attend University of Chicago

By Meg McSherry Breslin
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 1, 2003

Some said that at 9 years old, Sho Yano was too young for college. Then he graduated in three years. Summa cum laude. This June, the shy 12-year-old, who speaks barely above a whisper, will defy the skeptics once again when he becomes perhaps the youngest student to enroll in a medical school. He has been awarded a full scholarship to the University of Chicago.

The pudgy cheeks of his freshman year at Loyola University are gone, but there's still plenty of growing to do. He stands 5 feet 5 inches tall, his voice hasn't yet changed and his parents rarely allow movies that aren't rated G.

His application raised red flags at some of the nation's top medical schools, a fact that perplexes Sho.

"They said I was just too young," Sho said. "One person said he thought patients would be shocked."

University of Chicago medical school officials had similar concerns but overcame them after meeting what they saw as an amazing, gentle prodigy who answered tough questions with maturity and thoughtfulness. Sho will enter one of U. of C.'s most competitive programs, the medical scientist in-training program leading to both an MD and a PhD.

There have been reports of students as young as 14 entering medical school, but no high-profile cases of 12-year-olds. According to the Association of American Medical Colleges, less than 1 percent of medical school students are under 18.

Sho had perfect scores in the quantitative and analytical sections of the graduate school admissions test. His Medical College Admissions Test scores--at 13 or 14 out of 15 for each of the sections--make him among the best of the best.

But at the California school interviews--his mother prefers not to identify the school--one medical school administrator accused Sho's mom of using her son to set a world record.

After years raising an exceptional son, Kyung Yano is used to accusations that she's a pushy mom. Even if it was always Sho asking to advance, some outsiders figured mom was behind it all.

"From the beginning, some psychologists said he would be miserable all through his life," she said. "They'll say again how much he'll suffer."
The U. of C. admissions team had some of the same reservations about Sho that Loyola faced three years ago.

Could he handle the intellectual demands, the lack of sleep? Would he be ostracized by a group of students twice his age? Would he miss out on the normal pleasures of a 12-year-old's life?

Because of those concerns, Sho met with triple the number of U. of C. professors and students compared with typical applicants. The university's acclaimed child psychiatrist, Dr. Bennett Leventhal, evaluated him.

Medical school professors asked Sho a number of questions about working with patients. In each case, his answers showed a remarkable sense of empathy for patients and their families, said Dr. Lawrence Wood, dean of students and medical education at U. of C.

For example, they asked Sho what he would say to a severely ill mother who had just delivered newborn twins?

Sho paused for a long while, which is his style. The first words out of his mouth convinced Wood this demure child had the right stuff.

"She must be very scared," Sho told Wood that day.

The overwhelming feeling was that Sho should be welcomed, that U. of C. had a shot at enrolling a budding scientist with great potential.

But U. of C. also made some accommodations. Sho will earn his doctorate first, then complete medical school, not having regular interaction with patients until he's 17 or 18. The family will also move to Hyde Park.

Sho has read the Bible several times and talks about how his decision to enter medicine comes from a desire to help people.

He rarely watches television and has never played a Nintendo video game. There are no Britney Spears posters on the bedroom wall in his home on a quiet cul-de-sac in Glenview. Instead, there were only yellowed newspaper articles on genetics research.

Early achievements

A music prodigy who was playing entire Mozart pieces and composing his own music by 4, Sho spends most of his free time at the piano. He also finds time, though, for swimming and tae kwon do (he's a black belt).

Sho whizzed through Loyola, studying over the summers and earning a 3.9 grade point average. (He says he didn't deserve the one B, but doesn't want to get into the details.) After spending hours in a biology laboratory studying retroviruses in soybean plants, he presents research papers at campus symposiums with such titles as: "Structural and Functional Components of Putative Plant Retrotransposon Diaspora."

"We have to appreciate that he's 12 years old and he has completed college," said Michelle LeBeau, a U. of C. professor of medicine who leads the cancer biology program in which Sho hopes to study. "He's ready to move on to the next step of his education. It's not practical for him to stay at home. What do we expect him to do?"

That's the main question Sho's parents have been asking for years.

The Yanos are highly educated and bright. His mother is a Korean immigrant with a master's degree in art history. Sho's father, Katsura, is a U.S. business executive for a Japanese company who was a stellar student in his native Japan. But neither of his parents' talents ever matched their son's, nor those of their 6-year-old daughter, who seems to be on the same track as Sho.

As a small child, Sho's IQ measured around 200, well above the range for geniuses. Some elite primary schools said he was too bright for them. He spent several years at a California gifted school, but his mother often supplemented with lessons at home when he still soared beyond his peers.

Bigger challenges

By 9, Sho craved bigger challenges. He desperately wanted a university education.

"I just wanted to learn at my own pace," he said in his family living room as he chased his pet rabbit. "I don't see why I have to be held back."

Although Sho had the support of top leadership at Loyola, his family saw right away how the campus was divided over his admission.

"It was rocky, rocky, rocky," Sho's mom said of his first year.

Then a 4-foot-7-inch undergraduate who needed a stool to reach the laboratory microscopes, Sho was ridiculed by some students and faculty who thought he was too young for university life.

There was also a deluge of media coverage, including a front-page story in the Chicago Tribune followed by a feature on "60 Minutes II." He wrote a book for a Japanese publisher, an account of his first year at Loyola titled "The Diary of a Wonder Boy."

"People said it was a media circus and that we were trying to make a show," his mother said. Sho's mom was frustrated by the critics because she carefully limited the interviews, turning down many requests.

Over time, Sho's cadre of friends and supporters grew.

Many were impressed not only with his intellect, but with his ability to move quickly from a child's awkward concerns to the demands of university work.

"Socially, we treated him like a little brother," said classmate Erich Gerhardt.
"But academically, he was above us."

Sho doesn't speak a lot. He seems to prefer more formal communication, and leans toward e-mails over phone conversations.

"Sho is remarkably thoughtful and mature in his thinking. That's the key," said Loyola classical studies professor Gregory Dobrov. "He regularly can produce reflections on questions that you'd expect to only make sense to a middle-aged person or a fully-formed adult."

Sho is disciplined and diligent--he read an entire 800-page genetics textbook before the course even started. He says he never procrastinates. But he doesn't need to study much.

"People think I study all the time," Sho wrote in an e-mail, "but I sleep 9-10 hours a day and sometimes my mother and my little sister consider me too lazy."

Still a kid

Sho's brilliance makes it easy to forget he's still a kid, said Howard Laten, a biology professor and adviser to Sho.

But there were funny reminders. Sho grew impatient with fellow students, grabbing papers out of their hands when he wanted to move quicker. He sometimes left his work area a mess. His sweet-faced little sister, Sayuri, is known to frustrate him too, especially after she colored all the rabbits in his biology textbook in pink permanent marker. Sho worried classmates might think he colored the book, so he folded over the colored parts.

Laten also saw the ugly side to what Sho experienced at Loyola, especially in his first months. As Sho applied to medical school, Laten worried about attitudes he would confront there as well.

"It was really clear to me that wherever he went, the university should take it on as a personal responsibility and help him succeed," Laten said. "These issues will come up in spades. It's the nature of the medical profession."

Yet the boy himself doesn't see a need for special treatment. He would rather just dive in and ignore all the attention.

"People just need to know my talent is from God," he said in his quiet tone one day on campus, "and I will use it for other people as much as I can."

Then with his mom and sister by his side, he walked on in his determined way, his head held down.

Copyright ? 2003, Chicago Tribune
 
If an impatient 12 year old kid grabs papers out of my hand I'd stick his head in a snow bank and kick him in the A$$. I have doubts about how mature this kid might actually be, not in terms of schoolwork, clearly he's brilliant, but in dealing with others. I wish the kid the best if this what he really wants to do (not pushed by parents into this) and can effectively interact with adults (to be seen during PhD and clinical work). Time will tell. Peace.
 
At first I was shocked and somewhat angry. How could a 12 year-old have any type of life experiance? But as I thought about it more, I begain to feel really saddened by his story. In all honestly U of C is doing this boy a dis-service. Here is a normal 12 year-old boy (normal except he's really smart) and he is never going to experiance a normal life. He will never know the joys of being a child, the carefree summers when your only priority is to "play", building snowforts in the winter. He will probably never have the joy of his first crush, make-out sessions with girls when your parents aren't home, sneeking out in the middle of the night. My desire to be a physician overshadows all else, but I would never give up my childhood in its pursuit. I am afraid one day Sho will wake up and realize that he has lost an entire period in his life and there is nothing he can do to regain that lost time.
 
Shhhhh....The kid is probably assimilating this information as we speak and taking names. You're going to get us all killed by badmouthing him.:scared:
 
Originally posted by NE_Cornhusker1
If an impatient 12 year old kid grabs papers out of my hand I'd stick his head in a snow bank and kick him in the A$$. I have doubts about how mature this kid might actually be, not in terms of schoolwork, clearly he's brilliant, but in dealing with others. I wish the kid the best if this what he really wants to do (not pushed by parents into this) and can effectively interact with adults (to be seen during PhD and clinical work). Time will tell. Peace.

He'll probably turn out like a child actor.
 
Honestly, I have to sort of disagree that U of C is doing him a "disservice." I understand where everyone is coming from, but I think that it is a good thing that he is able to go there in the fall.

For one, he's going to be doing his Ph.D. first, so that by the time he hits the wards, he'll still be young, but at least at a presentable age (17 or 18). Obviously, if he was regular M.D. I would say it's ridiculous, but this way makes some sense.

Also, think about how crazily smart this kid is. He's 12, but every bit as smart as any of us. If he was going to savor a "normal life" for a few years this kid would be bored out of his mind!!!! He doesn't think that the things we thought were fun when we were 12 are fun. Going to grad school IS his fun. Also, if he's getting impatient with college students just think what his interactions with other 12 year olds are like.

Obviously, he has some growing up to do. His attitudes and behavior seem to still be pretty juvenile (how shy he is around adults, grabbing papers out of people's hands, telling people how amazing he is), and I'm pretty sure he lacks knowledge and experience of some of the more sensitive areas of adult life, but my impression is that by the time he enters the M.D. program most of that won't be too much of a problem.

So I don't know. If this is what the kid wants, I say let him have it.
 
I always thought Pritzker was a school that wanted to be better than it really is. This reminds of the nerd that got a tattoo(sp?) to stick out but just ended up with an expensive laser surgery for removal. I feel bad when that kid gets stuck behind a microscope because he is too awkward for patients.

U of C, know your role!
 
He stands 5 feet 5 inches tall, his voice hasn't yet changed and his parents rarely allow movies that aren't rated G.

how's this guy going to be able to discuss personal/adult issues with his patients? i would have been freaked out at the age of 12 about the prospect of having to discuss std's, drug use, impotentce, etc...
 
man, this is some weird stuff...i am especially interested in the fact that the U of C interviewers made such a bfd about his answer when asked about the terminally ill woman with kids, and him saying "she's probably be very scared"...no **** sherlock. man, if that's what passed for a child prodigy nowadays...seriously, though, that's the kind of answer i WOULD expect a 12 year old to give--simplistic and obvious. he may be smart as all heck, in which case him getting a PhD does make sense, but, if this recent med school admissions process has taught us anything, grades and test scores do not necessarily a good doctor make. in that respect, this kid sounds like a self-important, socially maladjusted 12 year old (i mean, tearing papers out of people's hands because the "peons" don't understand it...what a little POS), not a mature adult. i mean, how can a kid who isn't even allowed to see PG movies going to counsel a couple about their sexual issues? if i were in U of C's mudphud program, i would definitely have some problems with this.
 
Originally posted by Dr Chooch
Here's the article:

his voice hasn't yet changed and his parents rarely allow movies that aren't rated G.

He rarely watches television and has never played a Nintendo video game. There are no Britney Spears posters on the bedroom wall in his home on a quiet cul-de-sac in Glenview. Instead, there were only yellowed newspaper articles on genetics research.


yikes, NEVER PLAYED A NINTENDO VIDEO GAME?! I don't know what my childhood would have been like if nintendo wasn't around!
 
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This has been discussed in the MSTP forum as well. The first question the director there asked me when I interviewed in January was "You know, the 12 year old applicant is coming here, it's a done deal. Do you have a problem with that?" Honestly, I don't, and I did get accepted to the U of C, but I didn't like the MSTP.

http://www.studentdoctor.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58312

He interviewed at all the top MSTPs, but I think they all treated him as a novelty item. At the U of C, the director pretty much rules exclusively and he liked him, so the kid was in. There was alot of internal dissension from the interviewers and faculty on that one.
 
Sho says his mother once told him the story of another child prodigy whose IQ registered 220. As the child grew into a man, he did nothing with his gift and was never heard from again.
"I don't really like to think of myself as a genius. I'm, I'm gifted. I got my gifts from God, and I got some more than other people, so...
Sho says the key to his intelligence can be found in his DNA and in his familial surroundings
He is rarely alone on campus, and his mother or an adult friend is always close by. Generally, he does not attend campus social events or socialize with fellow students outside of class

lol he cracks me up. i admire his genius but he looks like anakin skywalker from star wars episode I, too young. He's never gone out to social events in college and was always followed by his mother. If he has little patience with college students, then what can you expect from him when he is a doctor. Not all patients are geniuses like him so I wonder how his patience will hold up to all the people he will have to interact with in the profession. Patience is something that takes effort to learn and not something a 12 year old can experience just from being a bookworm.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/12/05/60II/main254786.shtml

http://www.luc.edu/publications/loyolamag/winter2001/genius.htm
 
I have to disagree with the majority of comments made so far. This kid is a real life Will Hunting, minus the horrific past. I don't think it's fair to judge his fitness for medicine the same way you would judge a normal person. He's not a normal person, he's a true prodigy. None of us can fully appreciate how he understands the world. Sure, it may be weird thinking about his interactions with patients, but it seems he should do at least as well as most adult medical students, based on the maturity he exhibits.

Don't weep for his lost childhood- he was never destined to experience growing up the way normal children do. I don't see evidence that anything is being forced on him- he wants the stimulation he's getting in school. We should feel lucky that mutants like him are born every so often. He has a better shot at positively affecting more lives than any of us due to his raw ability. Maybe he'll cure cancer, or CAD, or perhaps double our lifespans. Perhaps we should be grateful he's not going into physics, where he could do some real damage.
 
Originally posted by HitokiriX
Sho says his mother once told him the story of another child prodigy whose IQ registered 220. As the child grew into a man, he did nothing with his gift and was never heard from again.
"I don't really like to think of myself as a genius. I'm, I'm gifted. I got my gifts from God, and I got some more than other people, so...
Sho says the key to his intelligence can be found in his DNA and in his familial surroundings
He is rarely alone on campus, and his mother or an adult friend is always close by. Generally, he does not attend campus social events or socialize with fellow students outside of class

lol he cracks me up. i admire his genius but he looks like anakin skywalker from star wars episode I, too young. He's never gone out to social events in college and was always followed by his mother. If he has little patience with college students, then what can you expect from him when he is a doctor. Not all patients are geniuses like him so I wonder how his patience will hold up to all the people he will have to interact with in the profession. Patience is something that takes effort to learn and not something a 12 year old can experience just from being a bookworm.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/12/05/60II/main254786.shtml

http://www.luc.edu/publications/loyolamag/winter2001/genius.htm

This is very interesting. I'm 32 and still in residency. This kid is going to be 20 and doing residency. I feel lame now because I've NEVER read an 800 page genetics textbook before the course.

This kid works hard and is a genius. However, many studies have shown that it takes more than a high IQ to do well in life. Children and adults with high Emotional IQs do better than those with a high IQ. It would be interesting to see how this kid scores on the Emotional IQ scale.

On the other hand, according to the article, he was evaluated by psychologists during his interviews and proved to be emotionally mature. He'll have time to mature too because he's doing his PhD first before starting medical school. Perhaps this kid will turn out to be a great physician. 🙂
 
I'm really shocked at how negative and nearsighted so many of the responses have been. Maybe when, in say 10 years, the kid finds a cure for cancer, heart disease, or AIDS you'll all be quite thankful that he spent his teenage years getting an MD/PhD instead of siiting around playing Nintendo.
 
Originally posted by robinhudster
I'm really shocked at how negative and nearsighted so many of the responses have been. Maybe when, in say 10 years, the kid finds a cure for cancer, heart disease, or AIDS you'll all be quite thankful that he spent his teenage years getting an MD/PhD instead of siiting around playing Nintendo.

my response was negative, but i am not against this guy going to med school. i don't have an issue with it really. if that is what he wants to do with himself, then science and the medical profession are fortunate to have him. however, i do have some concerns about him actually practicing medicine when he is not yet an adult. if he wants to use his knowledge for research, that's great. if he wants to practice medicine when he's 16 or even 18. hmm.. maybe he'll be good at dealing with all the issues doctors have to deal with and feel comforable enough with himself and other people to do so, but i would not have been when i was that age.
 
i was concerned by the "he speaks barely above a whisper" line... or whatever the direct quote was.

i have no doubts that this kid is brilliant... however, i wonder if any of us had gone to interviews (even with a 41MCAT and 3.9ugrad GPA and research under our belts) and whispered and acted shy, how would we have fared? i believe he'll go on to do great things, but i would be concerned about his ability to interact, to relate and to discuss more touchy medical issues with his patients at age 17, being not too socially adjusted.

*shrug* time will tell, i guess. i also think u of c is not doing this solely b/c they think he'll make a great, highly qualified doctor... i think they're kinda in it for the press, too. but who am i to say? maybe he'll prove us all wrong. 🙂
 
I wish people would stop hating on this kid. Your average medical student, while intelligent, is nowhere near this kid. He has the potential to accomplish something great. And that is precisely why Pritzker is taking a chance on him. The pros far outweigh the cons. He has the ability, and more importantly the drive, to use his talent to try and improve the world in whatever way he sees fit. As someone mentioned earlier, who knows what a great mind like this may achieve when given the proper environment. Who the hell are we to hold him back? And for what reason? All that stuff about him missing out on his childhood is overrated. This kid has already missed out on it. He never knew it to begin with. He is not interested in video games, chasing skirts, or what have you. What a waste of potential if he did do that. Why should we expect others to always conform to what the majority deems normal? No one is forcing him into this. The sky is the limit for this kid. Cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers.. .who knows? I applaud Pritzker. They made the right choice!
 
1) How many people really become truly great when they are 12? Plenty of child actors who are taken away from their natural setting become unruly or bitter when they have grown up. Why do you think this person will be different?

2) The comparison to Good Will Hunting is fitting. Good Will Hunting has his own emotional problems as well.
 
Are you serious? Aids? Cancer? Being a genius does not produce great research. Maybe in physics where progress is far less experimental, but not in the biomedical sciences. Most breakthroughs depend a large part on luck. Many insights come from reading a particular article unrelated to your own research and applying the idea to your field.

This kid is extremely smart, but that does not guarantee that 1) he will make a great clinician or 2) he will make a great researcher. Intelligence, if you will, "is necessary but not sufficient."
 
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Originally posted by NUcat
Are you serious? Aids? Cancer? Being a genius does not produce great research. Maybe in physics where progress is far less experimental, but not in the biomedical sciences. Most breakthroughs depend a large part on luck. Many insights come from reading a particular article unrelated to your own research and applying the idea to your field.

This kid is extremely smart, but that does not guarantee that 1) he will make a great clinician or 2) he will make a great researcher. Intelligence, if you will, "is necessary but not sufficient."
I'm not saying he will cure all these things. but who are we to stop him from trying? He already plans on studying under some cancer biology professor. Something tells me that he won't have any problems getting grant money should he decide to devote his life to medical research.
 
Originally posted by NUcat
Are you serious? Aids? Cancer? Being a genius does not produce great research. Maybe in physics where progress is far less experimental, but not in the biomedical sciences. Most breakthroughs depend a large part on luck. Many insights come from reading a particular article unrelated to your own research and applying the idea to your field.

This kid is extremely smart, but that does not guarantee that 1) he will make a great clinician or 2) he will make a great researcher. Intelligence, if you will, "is necessary but not sufficient."

I have to agree with you. Think of how many serendipidous discoveries were made in science. Penicillin is a good example. In fact, the reasons Watson and Crick came up with the double-helix structure 50 years ago were: Crick did his PhD on helical diffraction theory, Pauling's son was working with them, Maurice Wilkins and Rosalind Franklin were in the same city, Franklin showed Crick her x-ray of B-DNA.

If you look at most Nobel Prize winners, you'll see they got their prizes for work they started in grad school (or post-doc) under an advisor or PI.

To quote Isaac Asimov, "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ..."

It takes intelligence to put the clues together where nobody can. It was Watson and Crick who were bright enough to put Chargaff's rule together with Franklin's X-ray pics (and Jerry Donuhue little lesson on tautomers of the nitrogenous bases) to come up with the double helix.
 
I feel sorry for this kid for two reasons:

First, he's going to encounter a lot of obstacles during his clinical years even at 17-18 years of age. There will be patients who just don't want some teenager performing a rectal or gynecological procedure on them at that age. At 23, I had to swear on my life to several patients that I would in fact be going to medical school next fall, just so they'd let me observe their procedures while shadowing a local FP doc.

Second, studies have shown that the surgical residents that pick up laproscopic procedures the fastest are those that grew up with Atari and Nintendo. He may have an IQ of 200, but he's going to be humbled by the peons on this one.😀
 
I feel sorry for the kid because so many of you are willing to consign him to failure before he has even started. Maybe he won't be ready for clinical work at 17, maybe he will be great, who knows? I'd say it is hard to judge his future maturity, lots of things in life make a person mature faster than normal, you know, like being head of a family at 14- not an uncommon thing in much of the world. Maybe med school will do this for this kid, or maybe he'll feel so different from everyone that he withdraws and doesn't develop socially. Who knows?

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though, he sounds like a good kid.
 
I think we should be more positive about this talented young boy.

I was so amazed that so many people would jump into some biased conclusions based on very little information.

Before you critisize this boy or his family, please ask yourself if you are just jealous, if he reminds you of some very smart kid in your class that you dislike, if you are stereotyping a certain race, and, how much you really know about him.

Some people seem so 'sad' that he doesn't have a normal childhood. You are talking about a childhood normal to you, a normal person. But Sho is not a normal person. Playing toys, watching cartoons, or chasing girls might be fun to you, but not fun to Sho. He says the worst punishment to him is to take his books away! He's on a much higher intelligence level, and he needs more knowledge - that's fun to him! So please stop trying to think from your own stand point, try to think in his shoes.

He has a lot of fun in life. He plays classic piano, he composes, he writes, he has a very supportive family, and most importantly, he enjoys learning!

I liked to learn a lot when I was a child. When other kids were watching some silly cartoons, I was in my room making a microscope and reading "we love science" magazine. That was fun to me! So please stop worrying about him having no childhood. He is living an amazing and fun childhood. It'll be really sad if he's just goofing around and wasting his talent!!

Let's be positive.
 
I know this has been touched upon, but I thought it should be emphasized again that this kid is not going to medical school to be a CLINICAL doctor. Sure, he could change his mind at some point, but I'm guessing he won't. He will spend his life heavily into research. His contact with patients will be at a minimum, as his residency will most likely be research based. Sure, he will have to do clinical rotations in medical school, like everyone else, but at that time he will be 17. While this may sound young, when I was 16, I was volunteering tons of hours in the hospital and shadowed a multitude of doctors, being present at death beds, neurosurgeries, births, and general check-ups. No one ever said, "what is that kid doing here?" They saw the white coat, it was a teaching hospital, I handled myself in a mature fashion, and they just didn't question it. Obviously there is a difference between being a volunteer or a student shadow and being a medical student, but I don't think this kid's age will pose such a huge problem at that point. I think people would like to be treated by "the genius." Plus, who is to say that the maturity of someone at 17 is so different than that of a 24 year old. Lots of 17 year olds don't even look much different than 24 year olds. Plus, we all know the types who got into medical school that we are just hoping stop acting like they are 12 before they get to their rotations 🙂
I think the reason for the negativity in lots of these posts is that we are all a little jealous of those people who are so brilliant that we can't really understand them. Most people applying to medical school consider themselves intelligent and to have someone so much younger blow us out of the water and seemingly acheive something so easily that we worked so hard for definitly causes a little frustration. Just keep in mind that this kid is at a different life place and going into medicine for a different reason. I have a feeling he is more focused on the material he will learn in medical school than being a physician.
 
Well said, MichiMO.
 
look, i didn't mean to sound glib earlier. it is entirely true that this kid could end up curing cancer, in which case i would certainly eat my words. further, i don't necessarily think that he is missing out because he's not "playing nintendo." that said, however, i still basically pity him, in as much as that he IS a genius, and he does not fit into normal society. almost by definition, people like this are anamalous, and unfortunately, often do not go on to do great things because they do often have serious psychoemotional issues to work through--this has been bourn out by studies that have looked at the lives and social development of one time child prodigies. this kid has a serious catch-22 to contend with: on the one hand, it's not fair to not allow someone obviously intelligent to use his or her gifts, and on the other hand, he will be ostracisized by most people for using them. i still maintain, though, that u of c is by no means acting in this kid's best interest. and i also maintain that, his research aside, even when he is on the wards, i would not want him as my clinical physician
 
I can't speak for others, but I am in no way jealous of this kid. If I were offered his intelligence, I would refuse it EVEN given my older age and presumably greater ability to handle it maturely. Seriously, doing so would mean giving up most of my friends and acquaintances just as Sho clearly has none.

Spending the rest of my life being referred to as a genius, and being looked at in awe instead of as a peer and possible friend... no thanks.
 
I'm a current MSI at Pritzker, and I have said from the first day that I heard about the 12 year old that I am strongly against his coming here. My biggest objection is that we don't know what's going to happen when puberty hits, and all of a sudden he finds he IS interested in girls and that his studies are not as important as they once were. He is going to change so much during the next 10 years of his life, so how can he POSSIBLY know that medicine is his calling? I am just worried that at 16 he's going to flip out and completely rebel against the school and the world, and that he's going to show up one day with 50 piercings and a tatoo across his face.

On the one hand, I understand how it isn't fair to him to hold him back. Really, what is he supposed to do now that he's finished college? As long as he doesn't participate in anything clinical for at least 4 years, I can deal with it. He is clearly a genius on a level that I can't comprehend, so I'm sure the coursework will be no problem and that he will be an excellent researcher. I just have that fear in the back of my head of teen rebellion. Also, I'm afraid that he will not develop the social skills that are necessary to be a good physician. Who will he interact with on a social level to learn those skills? It sounded from the article, and from people I've talked to, that he is very quiet and he is not the best at interacting with others. We'll see. I'm sure he's going to be almost like a circus freak next year, at least for the first few weeks or so, because everyone is going to want to see what this kid is really like. I just hope that I'm completely wrong and that he will have nothing but success and will become a great representative of our school.
 
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Originally posted by Schubie
On the one hand, I understand how it isn't fair to him to hold him back. Really, what is he supposed to do now that he's finished college? As long as he doesn't participate in anything clinical for at least 4 years, I can deal with it. He is clearly a genius on a level that I can't comprehend, so I'm sure the coursework will be no problem and that he will be an excellent researcher. I just have that fear in the back of my head of teen rebellion. Also, I'm afraid that he will not develop the social skills that are necessary to be a good physician. Who will he interact with on a social level to learn those skills?
"It isn't fair to hold him back"- that's something I've seen several people write. Well, life isn't fair, and getting into medical school, as many of us have seen, most certainly isn't either. What seems pretty basic is that for those of us on this board, social skills have played a big part in our acceptances or rejections. I've had many chances to bitch about being unfairly held back. Those experiences contributed to where I am- socially and otherwise- today, because they taught me how to "play the games" involved with living LIFE.

Let the kid into a Ph.D. program so he can continue his studies. But M.D.? From what I read, I cannot imagine that he has anywhere near the social skills necessary for patient interaction. Is it acceptable to admit people into schools with the assumption that they'll have done enough growing up by the time clinicals roll around??? Most of the growing up process is about how we understand and relate to other people, not about books.
 
I say let the kid go! Let him in and see what he can do. Screw that "normal childhood" bull$**t that a lot of you seem hung up on. Not everyone had an "idea"l childhood complete with building snow forts, and surreptitious makeout sessions when the parents weren't home. A lot of kids have miserable childhoods, and others just have tolerable ones. Who's to say that this kid's childhood is any better or worse than anyone else's? It's arrogant and naive to think that your wonderful childhood is somehow intrinsically better than this kid's just cause he is doing things differently.

It's clear that this is what he wants. When you were 12 you wanted a Vanilla Ice CD. This kid wants a PhD. Granted, it's hard for us mere mortals to understand that, but he may just be that different.

Plus, I am curious to see what kind of work this kid can do. He will be around 18 when he finally sees patients so he will probably be no more "immature" than some of the BS/MD kids, or in my case, some of the older students at my medical school. It's not like you have to be a 40 year-old career changer to be an empathetic medical student.

It's SHOtime BABY!!!!!
 
Originally posted by HouseHead
"It isn't fair to hold him back"- that's something I've seen several people write. Well, life isn't fair, and getting into medical school, as many of us have seen, most certainly isn't either. What seems pretty basic is that for those of us on this board, social skills have played a big part in our acceptances or rejections. I've had many chances to bitch about being unfairly held back. Those experiences contributed to where I am- socially and otherwise- today, because they taught me how to "play the games" involved with living LIFE.

Let the kid into a Ph.D. program so he can continue his studies. But M.D.? From what I read, I cannot imagine that he has anywhere near the social skills necessary for patient interaction. Is it acceptable to admit people into schools with the assumption that they'll have done enough growing up by the time clinicals roll around??? Most of the growing up process is about how we understand and relate to other people, not about books.

I think an important point that needs to be made is that just because YOU (or anyone) can't imagine him having the social skills needed to interact with patients, doesn't mean he doesn't have them. Have you met him? Remember, we're not talking about an ordinary 12 year old. This kid learns at a pace far beyond you or I.

Besides, I haven't been that impressed with most of my adult colleague's social skills with patients anyway. They're great at acing tests though.

I think a lot of the negativity toward this kid stems from jealousy. We're all in a career where your success is largely determined by your mental horsepower, and this kid was born with 100X the ability most of us have. I think a little jealousy is natural, but you should act like a grown-up and acknowledge it. I know I wish I had a little of what he's got. Rather than denigrate him under the false pretense of "social skills", we should celebrate his ability and be proud to have him among us.
 
Originally posted by Celiac Plexus

It's clear that this is what he wants. When you were 12 you wanted a Vanilla Ice CD. This kid wants a PhD.

i NEVER wanted a vanilla ice CD! no way, uh uh... i mean, well, maybe i did. ok, ok, i did. and i wanted Snow, too.

:laugh:
 
I have read all the responses on this thread . . . I posted one also on the MD/PhD forum concerning this super whiz-kid.
I can say that some of the negatives regarding this Sho kid are unfounded. Think of it . . . this guy is not normal. True, some of us get into undergrad at 15/16(quite young) and finish at 19/20, but the truth is that this guy has been extremely blessed by God, and God's blessings are full, all areas are balanced out. This kid is abnormal, but for good; we have to admit it!
So, I am confident about this kid and expect to hear great things concerning him in the future. How many people attain the kind of test scores he attained. With respect to this kid, age is meaningless. He has the ability, he has been evaluated on all scales and considered fit. Who ever has a problem withhim has a problem with him/herself.
 
So if you were one of his patients, you'd be comfortable being seen by a doctor you consider to be "abnormal?" Intelligence does not equal emotional intelligence. There's no doubt that he's brilliant and could probably do great things in research, but smarts aren't everything when it comes to clinical work. Who wants to be seen by a doctor that they feel can't relate to them? "But he's brilliant!" Yeah, well, if Martians were really smart, do you think they'd automatically make good doctors? Personally, I would feel more comfortable with someone who has lived a normal life and has a "normal" intelligence level than with someone who was a genius but has lived on a pedastal all their lives.

I agree with Househead. If the kid doesn't want to sit around and watch cartoons, then let him get a couple of Ph.Ds, but keep him out of med school until he's at least big enough to fit into a white coat. 🙄

And to the people who cry jealousy: Think about it. We ALL wish we were a little smarter, just like we all wish we were a little thinner or more beautiful. But that doesn't mean that we're criticizing this situation just because we're jealous of Sho. He has to have a security guard walk around with him wherever he goes. Did you catch Conan last night? He was joking about how this kid wants to go into med school so he can "look at some boobies." Who wants to live a life under that level of scrutiny?
 
Originally posted by lola
how's this guy going to be able to discuss personal/adult issues with his patients? i would have been freaked out at the age of 12 about the prospect of having to discuss std's, drug use, impotentce, etc...
:laugh: That made me laugh.. im telling you --> child actor.
 
Originally posted by HouseHead
"It isn't fair to hold him back"- that's something I've seen several people write. Well, life isn't fair, and getting into medical school, as many of us have seen, most certainly isn't either. What seems pretty basic is that for those of us on this board, social skills have played a big part in our acceptances or rejections. I've had many chances to bitch about being unfairly held back. Those experiences contributed to where I am- socially and otherwise- today, because they taught me how to "play the games" involved with living LIFE.

Let the kid into a Ph.D. program so he can continue his studies. But M.D.? From what I read, I cannot imagine that he has anywhere near the social skills necessary for patient interaction. Is it acceptable to admit people into schools with the assumption that they'll have done enough growing up by the time clinicals roll around??? Most of the growing up process is about how we understand and relate to other people, not about books.

I think we're confusing the meaning of the term 'social skills.' As we well know, the way one interacts with a patient is not how one interacts with one's friends. Sho may not know how to act if I were to, say, ask for his phone number (not that I would; that?d be cradle robbing), but the article claims that he's 'accustomed to formal communication' (or something like that) so I suspect he would hold up well when interacting with patients or fellow physicians.
Besides, isn?t it obvious that whatever concerns we might arrive at in our discussion here (and think them novel) have most definitely already been scrutinized by the adcom at U of C? I mean, he even had a psychologist evaluate him. I honestly cannot confidently say I would still get into the med schools I got into if I'd been asked to see a psychologist (to prove my maturity, no less!) on top of going through the usual torture of interviews. so i think we should cut the kid some slack and just wait and see how things turn out for him.
 
Originally posted by agent
:laugh: That made me laugh.. im telling you --> child actor.

I hope you are not this mean in real life. I wouldn't want you to be my doctor if you are so mean and negative about other people. I'd rather having a very intelligent, humble, positive doctor who's willing to learn all the new advanced techs in medicine to find the best way to treat my illness if I'm really very sick. I don't care if he's that young. You know, some 40 years old act like 10 year old!! You see that everywhere.

Stop trying to figure out his future, he's a real genius, far beyong your imagination...

Let's help make this site more positive.
 
Originally posted by Curci
So if you were one of his patients, you'd be comfortable being seen by a doctor you consider to be "abnormal?" Intelligence does not equal emotional intelligence. There's no doubt that he's brilliant and could probably do great things in research, but smarts aren't everything when it comes to clinical work. Who wants to be seen by a doctor that they feel can't relate to them?

The reason I see jealousy is because of comments like this about the kid's "emotional intelligence." In short, it sounds like BS. First, you're assuming he isn't emotionally intelligent when he may be well beyond you and sense far more than normal people. Even if he is of average, or even less developed emotional intelligence, that certainly shouldn't prohibit his becomming a doctor. I know plenty of a**holes who are med students and doctors, and are not sensitive to people's emotional needs. Second, it seems UChicago was pretty impressed with his emotional intelligence as info in the posted articles demonstrates. Third, he won't be doing anything that involves serious patient interaction for at least 4-6 years. As for patients thinking it's weird to be treated by such a young medical student, I think some will find it amusing, and others can just request to be seen by someone older. I don't think that will be a serious problem for him.
 
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