A 12 year old at Pritzker!

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I question this kid's and his mom's motives. I think this kid has no clue what being a doctor is like, how could he? He has no experience in a social setting?

This program should not have accepted him. If he is so interested in science, let him do a couple of PhDs, and then in a few years come back and apply to medical school.

Being an MD is a LOT more than just smarts. You must be able to work with people and this kid cant do that yet. Maybe he will someday, so let him come back and apply again during that time.

I think this kid just wants the "prestige" of the MD, his mother probably also. I dont think this kid has any real idea whether he wants to be a doctor or not, and doenst have good reasons for the combined MD/PhD program.

His application to grad school would be excellent, but for medical school, he is too immature at this point in time.
 
This kid's mother only lets him watch G-rated movies. This implies a certain degree of immaturity in itself, even if it is the mother who is actively restricting. In the preclinical years of medical school, the material covered is hardly G-rated. How is he going to deal with this?
 
Things said by Sho:

"I don't really think IQ matters," he says. "It matters how much you work hard."

"In mice, cell phone radiation one hour a day caused tumors," says Sho about his research.

'OK, they say men aren't rodents but then every other experiment uses mice, such as how DNA was found out.'"

"OK, somebody says something mean to me. I walk away, and I think to myself, 'Yeah maybe some people are mean,' and I usually forget about it by the time the day ends."

"I have a goal," he says. "And I think the worst thing to do in life is fall short."


So, what does his grammar indicate?
 
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I think this little kid is more mature than most of the lunatics on this forum that are incredible arrogant and think they are top **** because they are going to some rinky dinky do medical school.

As i posed earlier lets see some original creative thought.
 
Originally posted by geldrop
I think this little kid is more mature than most of the lunatics on this forum that are incredible arrogant and think they are top **** because they are going to some rinky dinky do medical school.

As i posed earlier lets see some original creative thought.
:laugh:

see, why did you have to go into ad hominem attacks, oh mister non arrogant/pyschotic geldrop? the obvious retort to this comment might be "rinky dinky do school of medicine" beats reapplying 🙄
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
I question this kid's and his mom's motives. I think this kid has no clue what being a doctor is like, how could he? He has no experience in a social setting?


I don't always agree with MacGyver, but I certainly do here. This individual would be unacceptable as a medical student, independent of any academic credentials. I would be surprised if this individual successfully completed a PhD program, let alone an MD/PhD. It takes stamina, it takes social aptitude, empathy, emotional maturity, discipline, personal wisdom.... without these acquired virtues, they are setting this kid up for failure.
 
posted by carrigallen This individual would be unacceptable as a medical student, independent of any academic credentials. I would be surprised if this individual successfully completed a PhD program, let alone an MD/PhD. It takes stamina, it takes social aptitude, empathy, emotional maturity, discipline, personal wisdom.... without these acquired virtues, they are setting this kid up for failure.

I disagree here. I've met a few very strong PhD students who were completely lacking in social aptitute, emotional maturity, etc. Being very smart and working very hard is enough to complete a PhD program. And judging from Sho's success in college, he won't have any trouble.

As for his success as an MD, as I've said before, its too early to tell. His maturity level at present is not adequete I agree. UChicago is certainty taking a risk, because Sho in 8 years will change a lot more than your typical MSTP applicant will, and its hard to predict exactly how he will change. I hope he matures into a decent adult and a good doctor. History, I believe, is on his side. All child prodigy doctors I could find on google did well, sometimes extraordinarily well (see my previous post).

Please, I'm sick of everyone saying how sorry they feel for Sho. Pity is such a condescending emotion. Not only that, from the article he appears to be a happy kid. Personally I think gifted people like Sho add to the wonder of the world-- its just cool that there are people THAT much smarter than the rest of us (except sluox, who apparently is smarter than Sho).
 
Originally posted by geldrop
I think this little kid is more mature than most of the lunatics on this forum that are incredible arrogant and think they are top **** because they are going to some rinky dinky do medical school.

As i posed earlier lets see some original creative thought.

I hope you didn't mean "rinky dinky DO medical school" cause thats gonna upset a lot of people.

J/k

~lubdubb
 
You guys are ignoring the fact that he hasn't proven himself the way other premeds have. Imagine that you haven't been accepted into medical school (even if you have). You and Sho are the last two people to be considered for acceptance for one remaining spot at an American school. Now, instead of swooning over him like you all are, you're competing directly against him. Your application against his. One of you goes on.

Sho's application:
3.9 GPA from regional University (this isn't MIT)
37 MCAT
Student organizations: none
Clinical experience: NONE
Other volunteering: none
Research: minimal, no fellowship type research, or spent multiple years in a lab. no publications


Your application:
your GPA and MCAT
A MULTITUDE of experiences that people have had on here (tons of research, shadowing, various organizations, working in foreign countries, peace corps, americorps, tutuoring, club sports, worked as emts).

Has everyone forgotten what they've accomplished to get to medical school? Many of you have posted that the reason 4.0 45T applicants get rejected is because they have nothing else to show. They haven't done anything to demonstrate their motivations.

Some have written that Sho would be bored if he were held back. NO - he could have gotten a PhD first and then applied to medical school. Well, you say, he is getting a PhD first anyways. YES - but he has already been admitted MD. The point is that any PERSON ON HERE applying for an MD with his application (two nice numbers) with nothing else would be flatly rejected.
 
As sad as this may sound, MD/PhD is less about ECs and more about numbers. I don't know exactly what his research experience entailed, but because UChicago isn't a top MSTP, I could imagine someone older getting in with similar stats.

Publications often don't happen for undergraduates, so people get into top MSTPs without publications. It's just a matter of having years of quality (or being able to BS quality) experience. I have met others who have gotten into MSTP without clinical experience, but that depends on the school.
 
Looking to historical precedent in this scenario can help us to see that while this young man is indeed very talented, his future is far from bright. There has been considerable literature written about prodigies like him; most do not end up distinguishing themselves in the way that people might think.

The current consensus among psychologists/psychiatrists on this issue is that the temporal disparity between intellectual and emotional growth ends up causing a lot of psychodynamic maladjustments later in life.

My prediction: in 15 years he will be bald and overweight working in a skateboarding shop on Venice Beach.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Lawyer
Looking to historical precedent in this scenario can help us to see that while this young man is indeed very talented, his future is far from bright. There has been considerable literature written about prodigies like him; most do not end up distinguishing themselves in the way that people might think.

The current consensus among psychologists/psychiatrists on this issue is that the temporal disparity between intellectual and emotional growth ends up causing a lot of psychodynamic maladjustments later in life.

My prediction: in 15 years he will be bald and overweight working in a skateboarding shop on Venice Beach.

:laugh: seriously though, i think the kid's gonna turn out alright. its pretty hard to judge other people just be reading newspapers. he seems to have a supportive family and i think that's gonna take him a long ways. this dude might end up bald and overweight because he doesn't set aside enough time for anything but scholarly activity; however, he'll prob be stuck in some lab finding a cure for male baldness.
 
I understand your point Neuronix. But based on the articles about him, I have to wonder if he even brings a comparable research background that you MSTPs have. It seems like the MSTPs I know have spent several school years and summers doing research. With Sho's accelerated track, could he have done what other MSTP applicants have accomplished? Even without publications, everyone seems to have done posters, given presentations, traveled to national conferences, etc. Has he even had time to do these things?

Also, though MSTPs applicants usually need higher numbers, and GPA/MCAT is more important, the students I know still did have backgrounds beyond their research. They're research focused, but they've done other things. To me, if you're going to admit a 12 year old, he shouldn't just be meeting the basic requirements (good numbers) for your program.
 
I thought of something funny while reading this thread. It's entirely possible that Sho has read everything we've said. However, he can't respond to any of the things that have been said about him because he's too young to register at SDN! (US Federal law says that websites aren't allowed to obtain personal information from anybody under 13.) As Johnny Carson used to say, this is wild stuff.
 
I remember when I was 8 years old...my sister's friend and her sister would come over to our house.

Me and the older sister, she was at least 11, would sneak off to my room and make out for an hour underneath my bed and act like soap opera stars.

😀

During that time my best friend's sister would come over to play with us. When my friend went to the restroom I would have his sister pull down her pants and give me "anatomy" lessons. 😉

While this kid was in college I was learning how to "play the game"....shakin off all the haters.

"He use to be smart as a monkey. Now, he's dumb as a chimp" Abe "Grampa" Simpson
 
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Originally posted by NUcat
Even without publications, everyone seems to have done posters, given presentations, traveled to national conferences, etc. Has he even had time to do these things?

I never did 🙁 My first lab was very small and had no funding and my second lab hasn't been very supportive of my professional growth. Regardless, I have had some success in my second lab, but it all came too late for the admissions process.

I do see your point and you may be right about him. I did still dedicate alot of time to my research (about 2 years), even if the only things I had to show for it was LORs.
 
As smart and as talented as Sho is, I think he may take the road traveld by many a childhood actor. Being very young and very successful is a dangerous combination. Sure, he may be the smartest kid in the world (remember these are book smarts), but he in no way, shape or form possess the emotional tools or maturity to deal with real world, adult situations.

He may excel at research, he may even become a great physician, but at some point in his life he will run into some life problem: relationship, family, work related etc..., since he was never allowed to grow and mature "normally" he won't know how to deal with it. All the brain power in the world will not solve a complex crisis, these types of problems superceed any rational inteligence. Once a problem arises he will simply hit the downward spiral and continue digging himself further and further down.

My prediction: he will find a woman, marry her, he will be so engrossed in hs work that he will take her for granted, never be home to spend time with her, treat her as if she is intellecually inferior, which will cause strife, he will spend more time at work in an effort to avoid her naggin/ fighting (as this is the only adjustment tool he knows), she will leave him, he will become even more engrossed with work spending ungoddly amounts of time working, he will eventuall get burned out (a racecar can only run in the redline for so long), he may take to drinking to ease the pain and stress, viola the story of every young succesful person in america.
 
Originally posted by heelpain
In order to register on this site, one does not need to show proof of age. It won't be difficult for him to find a way.
True, but if they find out he lied, he would still get banned. Not that Sho seems like the type of kid to do that anyway, of course.
 
quote by Dr. Lawyer The current consensus among psychologists/psychiatrists on this issue is that the temporal disparity between intellectual and emotional growth ends up causing a lot of psychodynamic maladjustments later in life.

I have never heard of such consensus. Where is your data? In fact, research supports the choices that Sho's parents have made. Below I post an article from the British Medical Journal (Volume 307(6912) 30 October 1993 pp 1088-1089)

Some highlights:

What happens to gifted children when they grow up? Terman and Oden, who followed up 1,528 children from the age of 12 to mid-life, concluded that "the superior child, with few exceptions, becomes the able adult, superior in nearly every aspect to the generality. The superiority is greatest in intellectual ability, in scholastic accomplishments, and in vocational achievements" [14]. Furthermore, their findings favoured rapidly promoted children.

Several reviews of research and specific empirical studies have shown the value of accelerated teaching for gifted and talented children for both short term and long term accomplishments [15,16,17]. Other research attests to the short and long term benefits of grouping gifted students together so that they can work with able and challenging peers [18].


The whole article:

The main sign of giftedness is precocity. Young people are regarded as gifted when they show intellectual, artistic, or motor behaviour characteristic of people several years older. Their precocious development might be in linguistic, logical mathematical, spatial, bodily kinesthetic, musical, interpersonal, or intrapersonal intelligence or ability, as delineated by Gardner [1], or in analytical, synthetic, or practical intelligence, as defined by Sternberg [2]. Precocity and intellectual prowess may be the basic signs of giftedness, but many lists have been published of other characteristics of gifted children [3,4].

Tannenbaum suggested that giftedness in childhood should be viewed purely as potential for development. He argued that the complex called "giftedness" consisted of five features: superior general intellect, specific talents or aptitudes, a set of non-intellective traits, a challenging and facilitative environment, and good luck at crucial times in life [5]. Dweck and Leggett also suggested that it was preferable for a child and parents to see giftedness as incremental or emergent rather than as an entity already possessed [6]. Such an attitude leads to the child being better motivated to learn and develop his or her talents.

Gifted children have special needs [7]. Those most commonly identified are, firstly, that the curriculum and instruction should be set at an appropriately challenging pace, level, and richness to facilitate academic growth and sustain motivation to learn. Secondly, gifted children need supportive and nurturing parents, teachers, peers, and mentors who help them develop long term goals and self esteem. And, thirdly, they need to understand their special talents, aptitudes, and personal characteristics and develop a capacity for self direction. Unfortunately, the schooling given to gifted children is often unsatisfactory and unproductive. Kroll and I found that gifted children are often bored at school - partly because of the low level and slow pace of the instruction and partly from having to spend much time being taught what they already know [8]. Gross and I documented the inappropriate handling of gifted children in school as well as the occasional hostility directed at them [9]. Galbraith's survey of gifted children found the following complaints: school was too easy and boring; the children were expected to be perfect; peers teased them about being smart; they felt different, alienated; they worried a lot about world problems; and people didn't understand them [10].

School services for gifted children at the elementary level in the United States and many other countries have often taken the form of supplementary instruction - in spare rooms after school and on Saturdays and in summer programmes [11]. Full time classes with all instruction in a single classroom are also often used. At the secondary level gifted children may be placed ahead of their age and given special classes [12]. Sometimes they are put into contact with leaders in a subject or given counsellors to help them with personal and social problems, psychological testing to help them understand their special talents and aptitudes, and tutors to work with them on advanced, special, or enriched learning material. The best instruction for gifted children is tailored to their needs and is diagnostic-prescriptive in orientation [13]. That means that their current skill or knowledge is assessed, and new learning tasks are then selected to be appropriately challenging.

What happens to gifted children when they grow up? Terman and Oden, who followed up 1,528 children from the age of 12 to mid-life, concluded that "the superior child, with few exceptions, becomes the able adult, superior in nearly every aspect to the generality. The superiority is greatest in intellectual ability, in scholastic accomplishments, and in vocational achievements" [14]. Furthermore, their findings favoured rapidly promoted children.

Several reviews of research and specific empirical studies have shown the value of accelerated teaching for gifted and talented children for both short term and long term accomplishments [15,16,17]. Other research attests to the short and long term benefits of grouping gifted students together so that they can work with able and challenging peers [18]. While less effective than accelerated teaching and grouping, enrichment programmes also seem to benefit gifted and talented learners, although the benefits may be mainly short term [17].

Parents are probably the most important influences in the development of talent or giftedness. Family sacrifices may be needed [19], and parents have to make a long term commitment to help their gifted children develop their talents to the highest level [9]. Parents provide all of the early teaching - in acquisition of language, mathematical operations, and thinking skills. Later, by monitoring children's progress in school and helping them get special teaching programmes in and out of school, they provide the resources for higher development [20]. Finally, it is the parents who help gifted children formulate long term, high level goals and develop the motivation, learning styles, attitudes, and strategies to achieve them.
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That article doesn't deal with people like Sho. The kids in the study were "gifted and talented" but not "genius" level. There were surely not 1000+ people like Sho available at that time and a lot of people on this board would have probably been qualified for their study.
 
Originally posted by macdown
As smart and as talented as Sho is, I think he may take the road traveld by many a childhood actor. Being very young and very successful is a dangerous combination. Sure, he may be the smartest kid in the world (remember these are book smarts), but he in no way, shape or form possess the emotional tools or maturity to deal with real world, adult situations.

He may excel at research, he may even become a great physician, but at some point in his life he will run into some life problem: relationship, family, work related etc..., since he was never allowed to grow and mature "normally" he won't know how to deal with it. All the brain power in the world will not solve a complex crisis, these types of problems superceed any rational inteligence. Once a problem arises he will simply hit the downward spiral and continue digging himself further and further down.

My prediction: he will find a woman, marry her, he will be so engrossed in hs work that he will take her for granted, never be home to spend time with her, treat her as if she is intellecually inferior, which will cause strife, he will spend more time at work in an effort to avoid her naggin/ fighting (as this is the only adjustment tool he knows), she will leave him, he will become even more engrossed with work spending ungoddly amounts of time working, he will eventuall get burned out (a racecar can only run in the redline for so long), he may take to drinking to ease the pain and stress, viola the story of every young succesful person in america.

You seem to have the perfect mathematics of predicting qualitative things. You have so much foresight.🙁
 
That article doesn't deal with people like Sho. The kids in the study were "gifted and talented" but not "genius" level. There were surely not 1000+ people like Sho available at that time and a lot of people on this board would have probably been qualified for their study.

I agree, most of the kids in the study were probably not at Sho's level. Nevertheless I think it suggests that Sho and his parents are doing the right thing by challenging him, and that he is likely to be successful.
 
Two of my best friends from high school have been accepted this year. One of them, just by chance, went to Loyola for his undergrad (haven't had a chance to hear anything from him firsthand on this topic). When I think back to the things that we did when we were 12, I cannot imagine this kid having anything to do with my own care. I don't care how smart he is or how much he loves studying. Neither of the guys that I am speaking of really did all that much in high school. One of them barely graduated! He handed in a chem test junior year after ten minutes with "I don't care" written on it. We were average kids from an average little mining town who worried about little league, raced bikes, played Tecmo Bowl and Ninja Turtles, had food fights, pulled pranks and generally had a blast. Even when we were back on college breaks, we chased girls, tried to scam beer underage, drove aimlessly around the woods, and hung out in ratty old freezing deer camps every night. None of us were supergeniuses, we just had the ability to turn it on when we saw our future goals, and were able to play hard on the side. Who would I rather have as my doctor? Maybe as a pre-dent, I don't fully understand, but I would take guys like this any time. I am glad the kid is going into research. Maybe his genius extends past regurgitation, and if he has some ability for analytical and critical thinking he may someday make a breakthrough. From a clinical perspective, when I am going through some of my life's most trying times, I want the understanding and empathy of someone who has seen real life on the way to the "rarefied air" of medicine.
 
No arguments here on the fact that they're challenging him and pushing him hard. Rather, it's the speed and intensity. Surely he could have spent a year or two doing an NIH predoc fellowship or something along those lines to polish off his achievements and show the level of dedication that other MSTPers have by. I guess what I'm saying is if you lined up his cv aginst other people at these programs, blinded people to ages of the applicants, would he compare favorably?


Originally posted by JlazyMD
I agree, most of the kids in the study were probably not at Sho's level. Nevertheless I think it suggests that Sho and his parents are doing the right thing by challenging him, and that he is likely to be successful.
 
adult mind trapped in a kid's body; problem is - he doesn't have the life experiences to accompany his incredible "book" smarts. my question is... will the gap remain between his intelligence and that of his peers 10, 20, or 30 years down the road? obviously, his IQ will always be high, but every human mind has the ability to gather tremendous amounts of knowledge/facts/etc. seems kind of like the kid who had facial hair at 10, or the kid who was really "big" for his/her age. (yes, these might be bad comparisons). eventually, everyone else catches up. will that be the case with sho? it truly is a fascinating story and only time will tell. i just don't think we can underestimate the importance of life experiences. but what do I know? i'm not a genius!
 
I would really like to know what mother in their right MIND will let him deliver their babies when hes a 17-18 year old during OBGYN clinicals....I KNOW I WOULDN'T!!!!!!!

geez there should be a LAW as far as an AGE LIMIT for getting admitted into med school!!!!!

as far as snatching papers outta ppls hands because the "peons" didnt understand them......He's cruisin' for a major bruising!!!!!!!:laugh:


I sure as hell wouldnt want him as a medical student or resident if I was gonna have any surgery!!!!!(during his surgery rotation)...there's gonna be some objections to that!!!!!!! I'd like to see how long he LASTS...face it...his age is against him!!!!!
 
youre talking about a kid who hasnt had his first kiss.....let alone his first sexual experience...i mean come ON!!! most guys are NOT virgins by the time they hit med school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by OwlMyste
I would really like to know what mother in their right MIND will let him deliver their babies when hes a 17-18 year old during OBGYN clinicals....I KNOW I WOULDN'T!!!!!!!

geez there should be a LAW as far as an AGE LIMIT for getting admitted into med school!!!!!


I have no problem with people stating opinions, that's what SDN is all about... but why?

WHY wouldn't mothers let him assist in a delivery? WHY should there be a law for age admittance?

Obviously he was admitted because he met the qualifications, just like any 20, 30, 40, or 50 year old student.

Why shouldn't he be able to participate just like those students? He's capable or he wouldn't be there.

Now, SDN moderators, they should have an age limit for those... 😀
 
Originally posted by robinhudster
I'm really shocked at how negative and nearsighted so many of the responses have been. Maybe when, in say 10 years, the kid finds a cure for cancer, heart disease, or AIDS you'll all be quite thankful that he spent his teenage years getting an MD/PhD instead of siiting around playing Nintendo.

It's basically a result of jealousy.

It's pretty pathetic.
 
Originally posted by OwlMyste
youre talking about a kid who hasnt had his first kiss.....let alone his first sexual experience...i mean come ON!!! most guys are NOT virgins by the time they hit med school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me? Where do you come up with this statement? Is it just the guys you know?
 
Originally posted by JHawk623
problem is - he doesn't have the life experiences to accompany his incredible "book" smarts.

How the hell do you know what kind of "life experiences" this kid, myself, or any other poster on this forum has had?!

What exactly does "life experience" mean? Hardship? Maturity? Days of life?

There's plenty of people from my undergrad who don't have "life experiences" as a result of material wealth. A child growing up in a poor nation has significantly greater "life experiences" than a child of the same age in the States.

Nobody has the same "life experiences," and it's audacious to claim that you know somebody's simply because of age.
 
This kid rules..I hope he stays strong in the LORD (He is a Christian), and goes on to kick butt as he should....I just hope he doesnt fall to the BS "progressive" or "liberal" stances I know that abound at UC, especially Pritzker. God Bless him....
 
how the hell is he gonna be able to give advice about sexual disorders, etc. to people?!?!?!

it'd be like someone who never tasted wine in their entire life being a wine critic......if they never tasted wine before, how will they know what is best and what is not??.....get the point??

they gotta have some experience with it if they're ever gonna give advice about it!!!!!



Originally posted by ItsGavinC
What the HELL does being a virgin have to do with medical school?

You are obviously confused (again).
 
Yo, 4th year here at the U of C. I heard about this kid and his "crazy" parents. Supposedly, he's not as bright as the media wants him portrayed to be. He's above average, but not genius. His mom was told by Columbia or Penn (not sure) when he was interviewed that only because his mom had called and nagged their office so much each day, they finally relented and decided to interview him.
 
dun be stupid. Could you get a 1500 SAT when you were 8? And he is probably "just above average" as medical students go... but he's 12!!! Give him 12 or so more years and he'll be a genius by anyone's standards.
 
I knew Sho at Loyola....he's quite amazing....it's pretty humbling to have someone so bright in all your classes! And if you think he's just scientifically talented, you should hear him tickle the ivories (play piano...) :clap:
 
Originally posted by OwlMyste
how the hell is he gonna be able to give advice about sexual disorders, etc. to people?!?!?!

it'd be like someone who never tasted wine in their entire life being a wine critic......if they never tasted wine before, how will they know what is best and what is not??.....get the point??

they gotta have some experience with it if they're ever gonna give advice about it!!!!!


I think you've been watching way too much loveline. Not every doctor will have to give sexual advice in their careers. It may come up, but then again it may not. Not only that, but who said you need to have sex to know about it. Get a book, and read about it from someone who knows more than you. I'm willing to bet that 95% of the teenagers who have sex don't know anything about contraception, STDs and their affects, or sexual dysfunctions. You don't learn about these by having sex; you learn about them by reading. It's like saying "You need to get HIV in order to give medical advice about it."
 
Originally posted by doctalaughs
dun be stupid. Could you get a 1500 SAT when you were 8? And he is probably "just above average" as medical students go... but he's 12!!! Give him 12 or so more years and he'll be a genius by anyone's standards.

Agreed. This child is not just above average. He is unique, very likely the next great researcher in medicine.
 
Originally posted by OwlMyste
how the hell is he gonna be able to give advice about sexual disorders, etc. to people?!?!?!

it'd be like someone who never tasted wine in their entire life being a wine critic......if they never tasted wine before, how will they know what is best and what is not??.....get the point??

they gotta have some experience with it if they're ever gonna give advice about it!!!!!

Lame reasoning. I've never had an MI, but I sure as hell know how to counsel people regarding lowering their chances of such occuring.

It's not at all like being a wine critic. The key difference is that a wine critic MUST taste wine. That much is inherant in the job title. A physician doesn't have to experience anything personally to be effective.
 
Originally posted by danwsu
Has this kid started school yet?

The UChicago MD/PhD program is odd in that it begins very early. Something like the end of June. Their idea of integration is getting the MD/PhDs together for a summer program in anatomy and something else so they have more time to do research during medical school.

I think it's weird that it's only recently that he's been getting press for having started. I figure it's because this is about the time he *should* be starting at any other school, so the press didn't want to notice it until now.

So the direct answer is, yes, and he's now been in classes for about 2 months.
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
Lame reasoning. I've never had an MI, but I sure as hell know how to counsel people regarding lowering their chances of such occuring.

It's not at all like being a wine critic. The key difference is that a wine critic MUST taste wine. That much is inherant in the job title. A physician doesn't have to experience anything personally to be effective.
i dunno know what you're talking about. i've already started injecting myself with malaria and ebola virus samples in preparation for my ID fellowship 😎
 
I feel bad for this kid.

He obviously was born with academic gifts. Smarts alone would not make for a good doctor... Maybe for a good scientist. Life experience and the total package ought to be the most important.
 
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oh God! behold the downfall of medical school admissions!! heres the new way to get interviews!!!! screw that you may have good grades, an excellent personal statement, and references out the wazoo,.....just get Mommy to harass the hell outta the admissions/Interviewing committee!!! I swear it thats probably what got him into U of C in the firstplace. Mommy's relentless nagging. if thats the case, then this kid, I don't care HOW smart he is, should be kicked out!!!!!!!!!!!

GEEZ when you apply to Medical School, your grades, MCAT, etc. should be the deciding factor, not because Mommy harassed the living hell outta the Admissions and Interviewing Committees!!!!! This Thing was definitely RIGGED!!!!!!!

which would you rather have working on your healthcare? a doctor who says: "I got into medical school on my own, with no outside help."

or a doctor that says:

"I got into medical school because Mommy relentlessly nagged the admissions committee until they finally relented and let me in."

(I know that Drs have to get good grades to get into med school, but thats beside the point in the above scenario, since its a given known factor.)


Originally posted by Freakingzooming
Yo, 4th year here at the U of C. I heard about this kid and his "crazy" parents. Supposedly, he's not as bright as the media wants him portrayed to be. He's above average, but not genius. His mom was told by Columbia or Penn (not sure) when he was interviewed that only because his mom had called and nagged their office so much each day, they finally relented and decided to interview him.
 
Originally posted by flyingillini
Agreed. This child is not just above average. He is unique, very likely the next great researcher in medicine.

Alot of smart people do not so great research. People are building this kid up too much. Theres no reason to believe that he will do any better than his classmates with similar scores. Under your logic nontrads must make horrible researchers since they took so much longer to get to the same place as a 22 year old.

20 years from now he'll probably be like any other MD/PhD except that he'll have alot more experience for his age.
 
to owlmyste...

i really believe sometimes that you're the most naive person i've ever come across in these boards....your opinions and thoughts seem to always resonate the ideas of someone who has no clue what the hell is going on....

he graduated with a 3.94 from a respectable university along with scoring a 37 on the freakin MCAT.....his only "low" score was a 10 on verbal. As previously discussed in MD/PHD forum several months ago, a 10 on verbal especially at the age of 10 yrs old (when he took it) is somewhere comparable to scoring a 18 on that section - which means he basically scored so high it's immeasureable.....

no way was his parents ever pushy or strict...in fact, he's the one pulling them along. kids like that are pushed by their own motivation to learn....he wants to know everything there is to know about medicine because it actually interest him...he has a gift that literally allows him to be anything he wants to be - and right now, he's using his talent to fulfill his dream
 
I look forward to meeting Sho. It is amazing he has accomplished more than anyone else has done at such a young age. All of you "life experiences" people need to realize he is STILL growing, it is not like he will stop maturing...THAT aging will only strengthen the great man he will become.

Boo ya haters, there's nothing you can do anyways! I find it funny some people belittle waht he has done with "I could get a higher MCAT" or "he needs more research experience." HA! What MCAT score wer you getting at age 12? How many publications did you have at age 12, or yet 16? Truth is JEALOUSY is rampant in SDN as this thread shows, and he will succeed whether you agree with this or not.

As for what kind of doctor/researcher he will become; that depends on how he matures in these next few years, but his internal DRIVE seems strong and hopefully constant. Has anyone wondered WHY he has such an interest in CANCER RESEARCH? How do you know a close friend/family member was not affected and this motivates him? You cannot judge this kid so easily as lacking "life experiences." He seems to be living more than one life's worth of experiences as it is.

Again, Boo ya all you haters! This kid is exceptional and his application is unique. PERIOD. 😀