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Okay, I've finally sat down to write up a test review. It's on the late side, so it may not help many, but I know there are a handful of you still studying hard, so hopefully a little of my feedback will be good. I took my exam on the 1st, but have been traveling around California and had a long list of other stuff to finish up that I had procrastinated on until my test was over. I guess better late than never.

I tend to be longwinded, so this may go for a while.

My scores are off to the left under my name in my predents profile. Just trying to show Pdizzle a little love, cause I think that his site is very well put together.

Okay, all in all, the test was not too bad. But I cannot stress enough how bad your nerves can affect your performance. During biology I was a complete mess (actually during the entire test) and I really felt like my entire mind was running blank. This is where the importance of knowing information down really, really good is important. At a time when you are very stressed like that, the better you know the info, the better you will recall it even when your system is pumping adrenaline.

For me, I thought it made a huge difference banging music VERY loudly the whole way to the center. Really, really try to psych yourself up. I was damn near spinning doughnuts on the way to the center just trying to get into the mood. The test REALLY ISN'T THAT BAD! But the mental battle is tough. So try to just be aware of this and do whatever you can to help get in the groove.

I spent the entire day before going over Destroyer one last time. I wouldn't say to try to cover a ton of new material the day before, but since I had been through Destroyer twice before, it was a way to reassure myself that I knew the material. And some of the bio is nice to have fresh in my mind. There were at least 2 exact bio questions from Destroyer on my exam, but these were also VERY easy questions, that any one of you would have undoubtedly got with or without Destroyer.

In the middle of biology, all the computers in the center froze and we had to wait for an hour in order for them to restart them. They started right back off where we left. During that entire break I tried to calm my nerves, which was slightly helpful, but not really. I really almost left during the break and just rescheduled because I would have been allowed to do that, I figured. For whatever reason, I decided to stick it out.

Bio

This section isn't THAT bad. I can't stress enough that there are MANY, MANY very straightforward questions. Or stuff that requires a little reasoning, but still aren't difficult. There will be a few or five or seven questions that are out there. But you've read this numerous times, so just be prepared to see them. There is nothing I can say that I would have studied, not even all of Campbell, that would have prepared me for the oddball questions. The very best thing you can do for these questions is to narrow down your answer choices. I wouldn't recommend trying to study for these questions. Instead focus on the high yield topics that are likely to show up, cause you will get these questions, and you don't want to miss them.

I used Destroyer, ExamKrackers Bio, Schaums, Cliffs AP Bio, and Campbell. I never opened Kaplan Bio. For any one book, I would say that Cliff's is by far the most helpful, IMO. It addresses the high yield topics in such a well thought out and eloquent way. Many of the topics I felt like I was understanding for the first time as I read through Cliff's even though I am a biology major and have heard it before. I spent a lot of time with Cliff's AP. I read through and made a flashcard for almost the entire second half of the book. The trick to flashcards is that you have to revisit them to keep the stuff semi-fresh in your head. I had easily over 1000 flashcards, and towards the end it was such a pain to keep going through them, but the only way to really cement the stuff. I kept the flashcards organized in piles by what chapter they were in Cliff's, that way if I didn't have time for the entire stack (an hour or three), then I could go through just a chapter. This was helpful.

As I was reading through Cilff's, I would also frequently read through entire chapters of Campbell. While this is overkill, I really think that hearing stuff from more than 1 source helps you think about it in new ways and all the topics begin to click. Stuff that perhaps I wouldn't understand reading through Cliff's would make much more sense in Campbell, and vice versa. I probably read through about 10 full chapters in Campbell as well as a variety of miscellaneous chapters that I would skim through as I read through other sources, such as Destroyer.

At this point, I read through Destroyer. I could answer a lot of the questions already. I thought it was good, but definitely not a guarantee 20+ score. The stuff in Destroyer is just too half way explained. I needed something with more substance to understand what is referred to in the solutions. What Destroyer was good for, however, was so that I could know what to focus on in my other readings. There were many, many topics that I sort of just glanced over in Cliff's or Campbell and then I saw they came up in Destroyer. This was good so that I could go back and have a better grasp on what exactly the high yield DAT topics were. Destroyer was also good in the sense that it provided yet another way to read a the same topic and would help contribute to an understanding in that way.

After going over this stuff, I spent some time with Schaum's Bio. I read through and highlighted almost every chapter in the book, I believe, all but two. However, Schaum's is written HORRIBLY, IMO. I would have been totally lost had I not spent so much time with Cliff's. That would be my advice to anybody: first read Cliff's and memorize it, then start on Schaums. Otherwise, Schaum's is just too dense. After reading through Schuam's once, I read through it a second time, and many of the ideas begin to stick during a second reading that did not really stick during the first. There were also a handful of chapters that I read through and rewrote. I wish I would have done this to more chapters because I really thought it was helpful and far less time consuming than making flashcards, although flashcards are really helpful as well.

EK Bio is really good especially for systems. It is very pretty and well written, but can't really be used as a stand alone guide for Bio. It leaves out way too much. However, there are also many topics in EK that I didn't see elsewhere, which I thought was nice. I read through all of EK once, and much of it a second time, however, I didn't highlight or rewrite or make flashcards. Pay special attention to stuff about bones in EK, since I really didn't see this in any other guide (not even Campbell) except Destroyer. It wasn't on my exam, but I still thought it was good.

As far as the actual bio section, just make sure not to waste TOO much time on the tough questions. There will be a lot of gimme questions that you don't want to rush through. I went ahead and skipped every tough question after quickly picking the best choice. This worked out because I had about 20 mins extra time after I finished science section.

Gchem:

This section really wasn't too bad at all. Like many, many other have said, it was very heavy in conceptual problems. By this, I mean stuff like qualities about ideal gas (not calculations, but stuff like: the molecules have no volume, and elastic conditions), general qualities about different groups on the periodic table (metals are malleable, not an actual question, just an example), periodic trends. When you are studying and have a problem that requires zero calculation, that is an example of a conceptual question. So pay special attention. Although, others have had an exam VERY heavy on calculations, it seems like most have had a conceptual based gchem section.

There were a couple tricky problems that I was stumped on. I knew how to approach it, but my answer just didn't make sense. The rest were not too bad, but may require a slight stretch of what you had previously learned.

There were about 5-10 calculation problems, like others have said, they were set up, I didn't have to solve for numbers. Expecting this, during my last time through Destroyer Gchem I only set up the answer, then checked the solution. I thought this was a good idea to help you get used to seeing stuff only set up.

Okay, for Gchem I started this by reading Kaplan VERY in depth. I made a flash card for just about everything that I didn't know as common sense. This was probably another 500 flashcards. I made sure I had this stuff down pat. Kaplan gchem is good, and it covers most everything you need to know. It doesn't explicitly cover every question, but it does cover every topic.

I also spent A LOT of time reading through my gchem textbook. I probably read through close to the entire book and also worked a lot of the example problems as I would read. Many chapters I read more than once. This was probably overkill, but for me, was really helpful. There was at least 1 question on the DAT that I would have really struggled with (although it was doable) if I had only used other sources without my textbook.

At some point after going through Kaplan gchem, I began working Kaplan subject tests and Destroyer. Both are VERY good. I want to say that you will be set with just Destroyer, but I saw some very good questions in Kaplan, that I really thought were helpful. Not worth 1000 dollars, mind you, but still worth bothering every single person you know for copies of the subject tests.

Orgo:

Straightforward, as many others have said. I got a fair mix of conceptual ones and ones that were just reactions. There was an easy naming one that I screwed up because I didn't study naming very good and another one that kinda stumped me, but shouldn't have been too tough.

I started out with Kaplan for this subject as well. Made another 500-700 flashcards that I went through MANY, MANY times. It would take me an hour or more to get through them, but by the end, I really felt stuff clicking that I didn't even realize that I was foggy on before.

As others have said, Destroyer is good prep for this section. It's good at getting you to notice stuff that is easy to miss when you read through the first time. Kaplan subject tests are also good. But not the end of the world if you don't have them. IMO, it would be better to spend 160 on Destroyer than to drop 1000 on Kaplan, BY FAR.

I also used my textbook heavily for ochem. I think its mainly good for looking over the basics at the beginning of the textbook. The core concepts such as nuclephilicity, base strength (and therefore, acid strength), E1 vs. Sn1, E2 vs. Sn2. This stuff is good to read out of a textbook, IMO.

One other tip, courtesy of fancymylotus, was to photocopy all the destroyer roadmaps. But somehow blank out all the reagents. Then I would make sure I could name the reagent, the entire thing and all the details. This was very helpful. Many times when I see a rxn, I would wonder if having that acid at the end would affect the product or something along those lines. If you know the reagents really well, then you won't have to wonder about that stuff, you will already know it.

PAT:

I was all panicked during this section as well. Worse, I was worried about my science section during PAT! Not good at all. Don't be like me, its those nerves, once again, that make this exam difficult.

The section, all in all was not too bad.

I used CrackPAT. I bought the 10 test edition. I only made it through five of them. My scores were along the lines of 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 25. Something like that. I don't have my computer, so I can't see exactly what they were.

I feel part of the reason that they began improving is because of using Achiever. Achiever is good for practicing and there review section of the PAT is WAY better than anything else on the market. Just don't be like me and spend TOO much time going over your mistakes. Look stuff over, but don't waste time. I would have been better off doing an extra Crack or two rather than spending two hours looking over every single Achiever question way in depth.

Topscore for PAT is garbage, IMO. There are too many mistakes in my opinion to even make it worthwhile. I did 1 test, but then just said forget it, and didn't do the rest. My score was a 19 and it felt easy, plus you can't check their answers, so it just leaves you wondering.

For keyhole, this section is a bit tougher than Crack. Not quite as hard as Achiever, but it requires you to look and find one little aspect of the answer choice that is different from others. I would definitely say to look at ALL the choices, don't just go with your first choice. Because you will often look through the rest of the choices and be like, "wait a minute, these two are identical." However, after looking a bit closer, there will be one small side that has a chanfer or something you didn't notice at first. That's why, in this respect, it was tougher than Crack. On Crack, I would almost always get 15/15. On Achiever, I was never that good. First test I missed like 7, next couple I missed around 5.

For TFE, I think that the shapes were VERY simple. Much simpler than things you will see on either Achiever or Crack. I got most of these correct on Crack and Achiever, and I don't really have a good technique. I would look at all the answer choices first and try to determine what was different about each of them. Then I would approach the given sides and only try to look for what I need to in order to distinguish the difference between two of the answer choices. Occasionally, counting lines would help accomplish this goal.

I can't really say if counting lines would or would not work on the real exam. I'm sure it would help narrow down your answer choices, however. But on some of them, you are going to need to distinguish between if it is a dashed line or solid line. Overall, however, the shapes just weren't that bad on the real exam.

For angles, I would say these are very close to both Crack and Achiever. There were a few that were easy for me and many that were tough. My biggest advice for this section is to lean WAY back in your chair. It's also helpful to pull in REAL close and then pull way, way back (thanks jigabodo for this tip). I would also look at the answer choices and then just focus on determining which angle of two is the largest. Always narrowing down your answer possibilities.

The other tip for this section: MOVE QUICKLY. Don't waste time on this section. Just move quickly and use that time for other sections where the time is actually going to help you get the right answer. With angles, you could sit there for an hour, literally, and still it will be a toss up. So move quick. Go with your gut instinct. No more than 30 seconds per, try to get most of them in 15 seconds. This helped me, I think, as I would often have a bit of time left over.

For hole punches: It is easier than Crack in this sense: if the fold is very, very tough, then the hole will generally be easy (not a half hole, not two holes). If the fold is very easy, then there will usually be two holes. I can't remember any half holes, but there may have been some that I am forgetting.

One thing for this section that helped me on Crack was to write out a 4x4 grid and mentally unfold the paper, putting the correct holes on your grid. After doing this for the first few Crack tests, I didn't need to use the whiteboard, except for a few. On the real exam, I had drawn out a bunch of grids during my tutorial and didn't end up needing one of them.

The other tip for this section that I really found helpful was that I needed to start at the completely unfolded paper and go forward fold by fold. This was a huge help when I started working backwards to unfold the paper. In other words, it was much harder for me to jump in and begin unfolding the paper, instead first try watching it fold up, and ONLY THEN begin to unfold it.

Cubes: VERY, VERY easy. No crazy illusion cubes like in Crack (I hated that about that program, such a dumb idea). My only advice is to make sure you get ALL of these correct. Slow down if you have to. I had to slow WAY down since I was almost always missing two of them during my practice tests. This is the 1 section you can get them all correct, so take advantage of that, even if it means an extra 60 seconds. I used Barron's method for this section.

Folding: This section was probably a tad bit harder than Crack. There were a couple I was stumped on for a bit, and took me a while to fold up. There were also a fair amount of easy ones. Achiever is WAY WAY too hard for this section and would drive me nuts. I was usually getting around 13-15 correct on Crack for this section.

For PAT, I had Barron's book and it was good. Probably worth the money for the PAT alone. I didn't use the book for anything else, at all except PAT, way at the beginning of my studying.

Man, I just realized this is like 6 pages, not double spaced on a Word document that I am typing it up on. I'll let you read this over, and make some comments. I'll finish writing it up tomorrow. I'll try to ramble a little less, sorry about how long it is, you'll have to pick through what you think is helpful advice. In the meantime, I promise to finish up and post tomorrow about reading, QR, Achiever scores and whatever else I start to drone on about.🙂
 
Haha. I've said it before, but I am gonna say it again: you owned the DAT!!!!! With that combination of DAT and GPA, I would be very surprised if you weren't offered interviews from any of the schools you applied to.

This is a very nice and detailed analysis about the breakdown of DAT. I read the whole thing and thought the information on bio and PAT were especially great. I am sure it would be a very useful tool for kids that are taking DAT in the future.

Either way, I wish I am in your boats right now. That combination of GPA and DAT will be hard to resist even for the most discriminating adcoms. I actually think you may have a decent chance at Harvard if you applied there.

Congrats!!!!!!!!!! Job well done!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
 
WOW! I am so impressed! You did a great job explaining all of this! I am taking the DAT on Sept. 17th... think you'll have a chance to post RC and QR before then? (Please?!?!?)

Congrats on your scores! You obviously deserved them! 🙂
 
WOW! I am so impressed! You did a great job explaining all of this! I am taking the DAT on Sept. 17th... think you'll have a chance to post RC and QR before then? (Please?!?!?)

Congrats on your scores! You obviously deserved them! 🙂

No prob. I will tomorrow at around noonish (when I wake up) pacific time.

to jigabodo:
Thanks man You've been a huge help throughout the process, can't even tell you how much of a help.... I appreciate the kind words, hopefully being on the late side doesn't hinder me too much.🙂
 
No prob. I will tomorrow at around noonish (when I wake up) pacific time.

to jigabodo:
Thanks man You've been a huge help throughout the process, can't even tell you how much of a help.... I appreciate the kind words, hopefully being on the late side doesn't hinder me too much.🙂

Your interview might be a bit late for the schools that have started already, but you are right on track for those schools that are just about to extend the interview processes.

Dont stress too much. For those schools that get more selective as the process goes, you are exactly the type of applicant that they are looking for.
 
thanks sacjumpman for the advices. I'm taking it on september the 26th and your breakdown really helped.
 
Okay, thanks for all the comments thus far. Hopefully, my rambling helps a few of you studying. I loved to read these threads religiously before taking my exam. Especially people that would take it and say it wasn't that bad. Phraud, RyanF…haha… I read both of these guys posts the morning of my exam, just to try to relax. They both insist that the test REALLY isn't bad, which I also found to be the case. It just sucks that something I could so easily reason through on a practice test was 10x harder on the real thing, simply due to the nerves.

Okay, where did I leave off?

Reading Comprehension

I've really given a lot of thought to my score in this section. I can't really say why I did so well. I don't have some amazing method that really helps. I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here: I think a big part of my success here is that I read A LOT for my classes. I really learn best by reading, just as many people learn by doing, others are auditory learners, I find for me that reading the material helps a lot. Even when others in my class insist that reading is not at all necessary for some class, I'm still the one that will likely read through the material once before class, then go to lecture, review notes, make flashcards, and then read through it again during finals week.

That's really the best thing I can figure that RC went well. Throughout the whole thing I was a panicked mess. I couldn't really focus, my mind was wandering horribly bad: thinking, "oh boy, I'm screwed. This is TOUGH." And all those thoughts. Naturally, my mind never wandered that bad during my practice exams. So, my advice, I've mentioned to one member in a PM, is during any of the sections: if you think that you screwed up, just remind yourself that I felt the exact same way during EVERY section of this test. I was thinking I got rocked horribly after every section. So just because you may have felt like you didn't do well, don't sweat it, you are probably blowing things out of proportion. If you felt like you did well, then that's great, you probably did, don't worry about that section if you've moved on.

I took a ten minute break of the 15 and when I got back, I had about 4 minutes left. I sat down and wrote down 1-16 on all my sheets of whiteboard. My plan was something that Nemetrazol had brought to my attention: for every paragraph, read it, then write down a title. I still think this is an excellent idea. You will save time finding the details and will have a better grasp of the tone questions. But it didn't go as planned. I never practiced this method, cause I learned about it the day before and didn't have time to. So I just figured I'd go for it on the actual exam. But about half way through article 1, I pretty much panicked and abandoned that method. But I must note, that for the questions that pertained to the first half, I think it WAS helpful to have that "table of contents" style notes, I just wasn't level headed enough to stick to it.

So, I pretty much switched it up and started digging for details. If there was a question that was a tone questions, I read through it, and read through the answers. The MOST important thing for these questions is to eliminate the wrong answer choices. I insist that some of those choices for the tone questions will just seem obviously wrong. Hopefully you can narrow it down to 2 of them, then pick one. But I moved quickly because I hadn't really read the whole article, so there was no point in wasting time on questions that I wasn't too sure about anyways. But even after reading through the entire article, there were at least 2 or 3 tone questions that I couldn't just pick out the correct answer. Instead, the only way I determined the correct answer is because the other choices just seemed too wrong.

So after quickly answering the tone questions and marking them, there was a good amount of detail questions sprinkled in there. At least half were detail questions. I would just read through until I found the answer. During this reading, I was able to get a much better grasp on the article as a whole. For a couple questions, I would flip back a few questions to better answer the tone questions. However, for most of the tone questions, I would instead just wait til the end and review my marked question.

So after I got through the first article, I begin the second article and read through about half of it without taking any notes. When my mind was wandering too much to stay focused, I just moved on to the questions, taking the same approach. Answering the non-detail based questions quickly the best I could and marking and reading through the article until I found the detail question answers.

Also extremely important is to watch your time. You must move on after 20 minutes. I went through the first article in about 17 minutes, the second one in about 20, and then had about 8 minutes left when I finished the third article. I needed this time because, remember, I rushed through some of the trickier questions. And these weren't just "tone" questions. There were ones such as: if you were to do an experiment with the species in this article, this would most likely be the result… These type of questions were tricky. There were also ones such as, the tone of this article is best described as: with all one word answer choices.

I insist though, that these questions weren't too hard, in retrospect, due to being able to eliminate incorrect choices. At the time, however, I was freaking out. It was helpful to skip through some of them quickly just to not panic too much and realize that there are a lot of detail questions that aren't too hard to find the answers to.

Also, as far as the set up to RC. It starts out with the article on the whole screen and then when you press next it starts on the questions. It is similar to Achiever, except the big difference: the question takes up about ¾ of the screen. This means that only a quarter of the screen has the passage, which really isn't a lot of room and was annoying while reading. So just don't be surprised. Also, every time you go to the next question it goes back up to the top of the passage, like in Achiever. My mouse also had a scroll wheel, which I thought was nice.

I thought Nemetrazol had a good idea of always skipping straight to the next screen with the questions, even if you plan on reading the passage first. Then when you read the passage it will appear the same as when you are answering questions. That way it will look a little more familiar when reading through it.

For Achiever and Topscore, I took 2 practice tests, I believe. I also took the three practice tests out of Kaplan white book. I can't really say which is best, but you should do at least a few practice tests just to get a feel for it. The time moves quick. My first Kaplan was a disaster, but I was doing good on the last one. Then I took a Topscore and got a 21, I believe (sorry don't have my scores). The next one I took was Achiever and got a 25. I would have liked to do more, but just didn't have time.

Which reminds me: if I were to do it again, I would not waste ANY time reading through answer explanations, except ones I got wrong. I wasted WAY WAY too much time on Kaplan reading through the answer explanations, which I could have used that time to finish the rest of my Achiever/Topscore RC tests.

QR

Well, since I started studying in mid June, I've been seeing the very rough scores for QR, and I was worried. I was keeping a log of all the hours that I put into studying every day since I have a tendency to get distracted. For math, I would specifically try to spend 2 hours a day. However, much of this time was wasted, reading over answer explanations and stuff like that. It would have been better spent doing more problems and reading fewer explanations.

I used Kaplan to start out, which I thought was pretty good, actually. In my opinion, the Kaplan QR subject tests are WAY too tough compared to the real exam. It has some good ideas though and shouldn't be ignored. However, I don't feel they are a must have. I spent HOURS on each practice test and still couldn't answer some of them. They were tough.

But Destroyer is too easy. You will see many similar word problems in both Destroyer and Kaplan, but they are on opposite ends of the spectrum in difficulty. So just realize that you need to know how to approach these classic word problems. Rate problems, ratios, age problem (not exactly, but essentially it was the same setup), similar triangles; I saw all of these on my exam. Know how to do these problems down pat. You have to be able to set up the problem while reading it, this will save you time.

In my opinion, and I know many others may disagree, but the QR really wasn't that tough. I was expecting all sorts of out of the world problems that I had no idea how to approach but this really wasn't the case. Most of the problems I had seen something very similar to before.

I used a couple extra resources: "How to Solve Math Word Problems On Standardized Tests" Look for this book on amazon. Definitely not a must have, but I think it was helpful overall, anything for extra practice. I also used "Kaplan GMAT and GRE Workbook." This is a good book as well, but may be a bit on the easy side. Also, the entire book isn't applicable because there is some problem types that are on the GMAT and GRE that the DAT doesn't test on. I went through both of these books in their entirety (except the nonapplicable sections in the Kaplan GMAT book).

The more math you do, I noticed, the faster I was able to do simple stuff like quickly cancelling out fractions, multiplication, long division (I didn't have to do any long division on the real test), and other basic stuff. When you multiply a number like 35,000; know to drop the zeros and then worry about them later, stuff like that. Simple really, but takes practice to do without thinking about it.

The absolute best advice for this section is to go through and do all the ones you know how to do first. There will be a lot of gimme questions, get those easy points first. I did this and found myself doing a bunch of the word problems as well because they were approachable, IMO. I got to the end and had about 15 minutes with about 12 problems marked. I ignored a couple trig ones cause those always take me forever. I actually started checking my answers for the last few minutes instead of doing those trig ones because I knew I was weak in trig.

And as everyone always says, make sure to choose an answer and mark it. NEVER skip something cause time can run out quick, so you want to be able to have at least something marked, even if it's a guess.

Purplemath.com had some helpful techniques for solving some of the classic word problems, which I used since I read about them and I would recommend it. Another random thought: the probability was very straightforward that I had. I only had two of them and one wasn't really a probability problem, more of an algebra problem in disguise. The other one was straightforward ( I probably still got it wrong cause I'm horrible in probability), something about drawing marbles from a bag. It was actually VERY similar to a Destroyer QR question.

I'm really not a great math student. It's definitely my least favorite "science" subject and I really feel that if I could do okay, then anyone can, just spend lots of time doing problems, your speed will begin to pick up doing simple arithmetic which will allow you more time to actually solve the problems. And know how to do those ‘classic' word problems because you will see some of those and they aren't all crazy, but quite doable.

Achiever QR was 22, 21, 21 but that's not 100% accurate because there were a few problems that I had seen before while reading on here and knew how to approach. Topscore was 19, 21, and low twenty, I can't remember exactly.

All in all, this entire test prep process was very, very, very draining. I was MISERABLE. I studied for 2.5 months, from June 15 til the day before my Sept 1st test. I took maybe 4 or 5 days off and the rest I timed myself to study for 8 hours. The clock wouldn't run unless I was studying. This was good to keep my on task, I wanted to get my hours done for the day. Some days I would sit on the computer too long and wouldn't get my 8 hours but that wasn't too often.

If you are coming up to your test and freaking out, its all good. I was so stressed the entire month before my exam. My skin broke out, I was so stressed. I wasn't eating well, which isn't good, and I recommend trying to take care of yourself, it will only help overall. I abandoned the gym for an entire month and I've been going religiously for 3 years. This is not what I'd recommend doing, but my point is that if you're freaking out, its all good. I really feel that EVERYONE gets pretty freaked out coming up to their exam, so you're not alone.

I wanted to postpone SO SO SO bad, but didn't cause I also wanted to have a month of summer left to relax just a little. I cancelled my summer school to extend my test, so I figured I may as well enjoy a little of the time. Just remember the test isn't THAT bad, people remember the worst parts. I'm the same way, I remember the chem questions that I was stumped on clear as day, but I also realize there are a lot of very fair questions, so you have a very fair chance of doing well.

My Achiever scores in case you wanted to know. I can't remember topscore for the life of me, but they were all 20+. These aren't that accurate though, cause again, I've seen a fair amount of Achiever questions while studying all summer. I took my practice exams about two weeks before the test.

Achiever sciences
Bio / Gchem / Ochem
#1: 24 / 28 / 19
#2: 20 / 18 / 21
#3: 21 / 19 / 28


I mentioned the RC and QR scores up above. Achiever is WAY WAY harder than anything you will see on the real test (for sciences). The difference is that real test has a majority of very reasonable/easy problems and a 3-5 tougher ones. Whereas Achiever seemed like it had A LOT of very tough problems, which was good to teach, but not good for estimating scores. So keep that in mind, and don't let Achiever results freak you out. There are many people who didn't rock Achiever, but KILLED the real test.

Oh boy, I think that just about covers it. Some of this stuff I've talked about in some of my more recent posts and if I have anything to add, it will likely be in response to someone's thread. Often times, people's questions will spark a reminder of something I wanted to mention and I can talk about it for a while.

Good luck and thanks poc91 for answering a bunch of my chem questions, mstooth, fancymylotus for a ton of help J, nemetrazol, and jigabodo for helping me and everyone with A LOT of questions.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'll do my best to help you out.
 
Out of great curious, sacjumpman, what is your AA and TS? I don't know how to search it on predents.com. =X
 
i got through the first post...i dont think i have your dedication, you have a lot of will to sit and write that. Anyway your scores are amazing and they reflect your study habits, but anyway your first half of your post is really motivating.
 
My gosh! Ask for a thread and get a whole book. :laugh:

Seriously though, thanks for writing that all out. Now go get drunk or something.
 
Your scores still amaze me- GEEZ! Great review, thanks, it definitely helps narrow down what to study since there's so much out there.

I am studying Destroyer right now going through it for the first time and I don't know the answers to all the questions, it stresses me out- should I know all the answers the first time around to be able to make a 20 on the DAT? Im planing on using as a study guide for what else to go over....
 
wow! your scores are amazing! good luck in dental school cuz i know you will get in:hardy:
 
How many hours did you put into studying each day and for how many weeks did you study before you took the dive?
 
Your scores still amaze me- GEEZ! Great review, thanks, it definitely helps narrow down what to study since there's so much out there.

I am studying Destroyer right now going through it for the first time and I don't know the answers to all the questions, it stresses me out- should I know all the answers the first time around to be able to make a 20 on the DAT? Im planing on using as a study guide for what else to go over....

I wouldn't worry about it much at all if you are going through Destroyer and are getting some wrong. I got alot wrong as well. But you should understand the explanations very clearly. If not, then refer back to your textbook.

Use Destroyer more as a study aide, not so much as a test.
 
sacjumpman you owned the science section so hard that you caused all the computers to crash!

I agree with you completely about destroyer. Their standalone explanations are terrible and you NEED to look them up in either your text book or cliffs/schaums even wikipedia maybe.
 
sacjumpman you owned the science section so hard that you caused all the computers to crash!

I agree with you completely about destroyer. Their standalone explanations are terrible and you NEED to look them up in either your text book or cliffs/schaums even wikipedia maybe.

Thats funny.

I think he owned the test in general though. I have yet to see a RC score like that in this cycle!!!!!!!

Hey mark, since you did so well on the exam, are you planning to do the teach for kaplan thing? I heard they pay pretty darn well.
 
Thats funny.

I think he owned the test in general though. I have yet to see a RC score like that in this cycle!!!!!!!

Hey mark, since you did so well on the exam, are you planning to do the teach for kaplan thing? I heard they pay pretty darn well.

You know, probably not. I could use the money, but I already committed myself to being a TA for the next quarter, so for now, I'll have to hold off...

Have you considered it? You got the next year off, it seems like it could be worth it as part time? I swear there's not that many great jobs you can get out of school with a bachelor's these days.
 
You know, probably not. I could use the money, but I already committed myself to being a TA for the next quarter, so for now, I'll have to hold off...

Have you considered it? You got the next year off, it seems like it could be worth it as part time? I swear there's not that many great jobs you can get out of school with a bachelor's these days.

I am thinking about it. Most likely I will at least attempt to apply and see if they take me or not. The thing is, different kaplan centers have slightly varied policies when it comes to this. The hardest ones that I've heard of require 90 percentile on every single section, and if thats the case then my RC won't cut it...

TA is fun. I've tried being a proctor, which is kinda like an undergrad TA. I got to know a lot of people and thouroughly enjoyed teaching.
 
Hey Sacjumpman.... Thanks again for posting this! I am planning on taking the DAT in November and I had a quick Q for you....

For Bio... I took the Kaplan course (1.5 years ago), and I bought Destroyer and Cliffs. Is ExamKrackers worth the price??? If so, I have no probelm with spending the money, but I just want your honest opinion as to whether it is worth it or not.

You said "At this point, I read through Destroyer. I could answer a lot of the questions already. I thought it was good, but definitely not a guarantee 20+ score. The stuff in Destroyer is just too half way explained. I needed something with more substance to understand what is referred to in the solutions." So my question is... your next step was to go to Schaumms. Was reviewing Schaums the "tipping point" in pushing your score into the mid-20's?

Thanks!
 
Hey Sacjumpman.... Thanks again for posting this! I am planning on taking the DAT in November and I had a quick Q for you....

For Bio... I took the Kaplan course (1.5 years ago), and I bought Destroyer and Cliffs. Is ExamKrackers worth the price??? If so, I have no probelm with spending the money, but I just want your honest opinion as to whether it is worth it or not.

You said "At this point, I read through Destroyer. I could answer a lot of the questions already. I thought it was good, but definitely not a guarantee 20+ score. The stuff in Destroyer is just too half way explained. I needed something with more substance to understand what is referred to in the solutions." So my question is... your next step was to go to Schaumms. Was reviewing Schaums the "tipping point" in pushing your score into the mid-20's?

Thanks!

Those are good questions. I do think EK was worth the price, but if you have the time, and it sounds like you may, then try to order it used and save some money. It is definitely not a must have, however, many others have had great scores without even looking through EK.

Honestly, I would say the tipping point was more just reading numerous sources. I really think that the more times I was exposed to something in slightly different explanation really helped me get a better overall picture.

So, the material in Schaum's wasn't necessarily stuff I saw verbatim on the test, like some others have said. Instead, it went over much of the material that I also saw in Destroyer and in Cliff's. After seeing it a few times it finally started to click. I kept thinking to myself, "ohhhh, now I get that," as I was reading towards the end of my studying.

And the more I read, the less I had to really work on memorizing hardcore, like with flashcards. Instead, it just made more sense. Even stuff with the phylums such as annelids with closed circulatory systems. This stuff is normally just what you have to memorize. But after reading a few sources it sticks so much better.

I hope that kinda answers your question. But for EK, only buy it if you really think you have time, I thought it was a good book, but like any of the guides, it alone won't make a huge impact, IMO. If you really get through and understand alot of Schaum's and all of Cliff's, I'd say you're pretty damn well prepared.
 
Those are good questions. I do think EK was worth the price, but if you have the time, and it sounds like you may, then try to order it used and save some money. It is definitely not a must have, however, many others have had great scores without even looking through EK.

Honestly, I would say the tipping point was more just reading numerous sources. I really think that the more times I was exposed to something in slightly different explanation really helped me get a better overall picture.

So, the material in Schaum's wasn't necessarily stuff I saw verbatim on the test, like some others have said. Instead, it went over much of the material that I also saw in Destroyer and in Cliff's. After seeing it a few times it finally started to click. I kept thinking to myself, "ohhhh, now I get that," as I was reading towards the end of my studying.

And the more I read, the less I had to really work on memorizing hardcore, like with flashcards. Instead, it just made more sense. Even stuff with the phylums such as annelids with closed circulatory systems. This stuff is normally just what you have to memorize. But after reading a few sources it sticks so much better.

I hope that kinda answers your question. But for EK, only buy it if you really think you have time, I thought it was a good book, but like any of the guides, it alone won't make a huge impact, IMO. If you really get through and understand alot of Schaum's and all of Cliff's, I'd say you're pretty damn well prepared.

Thanks for the update.

Well, I have been preparing all summer... but I also work full time, so I am not able to give 8 hours a day for 2.5 mos... I have to put in 3.5-4 hours a day for 5-6 mos. Some people may say this is over kill... but whatever it takes, right?!?!

I was actually scheduled to take the DAT on 9/17... but I have to be honest... something you said really hit home with me... "Okay, all in all, the test was not too bad. But I cannot stress enough how bad your nerves can affect your performance. During biology I was a complete mess (actually during the entire test) and I really felt like my entire mind was running blank. This is where the importance of knowing information down really, really good is important. At a time when you are very stressed like that, the better you know the info, the better you will recall it even when your system is pumping adrenaline."

I have been known to go into panic mode before a big test like this and I just felt like I didn't have as strong of a grasp on the material to walk in there and "own the test". So I pushed it back. Unfortunately, that means I won't apply until the May 2008, for the 2009 entry class... but I really don't want to have to take this test again! So I am okay with it.

Anyway... thanks for the update. Your thread had really been helpful!!

Good luck with dental school!
 
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