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So- I am a 29 yr old female and would like to go to med school. I have recently made a career transition and am in a post bac program. I will be taking the MCAT in Jan 2011. Should I try to make the osteopathic deadlines of LECOM and PCOM for a fall 2011 start date, April 1 and Feb 1 respectively, or should I wait and apply to MD schools for a start date of 2012? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
 
I think it would be helpful if you gave us a bit more details..what are your stats (GPA, MCAT anything else important), that will us, random people online, decide the course of your life.
 
ha- wow, i asked for advice not someone to decide the course of my life...

Here are my stats and the schools I am interested in:

undergrad degrees:
Spanish
Economics
GPA:3.0

post bac pre med cert:
anticipated gpa: 3.1

worked as a financial advisor for 4 yrs
proficient in Spanish and Italian languages
have not taken MCAT yet as I mentioned in the above post.

LECOM
PCOM
Commonwealth College of Medicine

please let me know if you need anything further.
 
I don't believe any allopathic schools accept a January MCAT for the cycle beginning the previous June (seems like you knew that). I know that at least some osteopathic schools accept it, but I understand that applying late in their cycle with less than optimal stats puts your application at a considerable disadvantage. Considering how stressful an application cycle will be, it might be best to do it all at the same time.

The PreMed-Osteopathic Forum would be another resource where you can ask your question and get a more knowledgeable answer about your specific DO school targets.
 
I think the reason your stats were asked is so that you could get a fair opinion. Since you are not takng the MCAT until next year you could try to improve the GPA, but it will be difficult especially in that time frame. I would apply to DO with those stats they are not bad considering you are a nontrad, and a nonscience major.

Good Luck
PS the DO schools that you choose have good matches

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you could try to improve your GPA next year and then apply.

Good luck on whatever you decide. 👍
 
Due to your stats, I would go DO. No worries though, you can still go into the same areas of medicine.
 
I would apply to DO with those stats they are not bad considering you are a nontrad, and a nonscience major.

I don't see what either one of those has to do with this.
 
If your intent is to get into an osteopathic school, then I see no reason why you shouldn't apply for matriculation in fall of 2011. However, I think you might find better advice in the pre-osteopathic forum. Those posters will know far more about the DO-application process than many posters in this forum.

Your chances will be better at DO schools. Note, I am not saying that you have no chance at MD school, but if you would be happy with acceptances to PCOM, LECOM, etc...then I see no reason to delay your application.
 
Thanks for all the great replies.
I would like to take the MCAT sooner than Jan, however, because I am taking my final physics pre-req this fall and an MCAT prep course at the same time, I will not prepared until Jan. I do have the option of entering a MPH program this fall too. I dont know if that would only prolong my entrance into med school or help me in the long run. I basically have the options of:
1. taking the rest of my pre-reqs and then the Jan MCAT and trying to apply for DO school for the 2011 cycle.
or
2. Entering an MPH program this fall and using that time to stregthen my record. However, I dont know if a MPH program would help an already low GPA and make me a candidate for an MD school or a better candidate for a DO school....
I did post a similar post to this in the DO forum and the concensus was somewhat mixed. Many people feel that a MPH does indeed help, while others feel that it is unnecessary for my situation.
Please weigh in, because you opinions are greatly appreciated.
 
Due to your stats, I would go DO. No worries though, you can still go into the same areas of medicine.

People, that isn't the question she asked!!!!

OP, you need to wait and do it right. Don't waste money when you're not going to get in with such a late application. The published deadlines aren't the "real" deadlines. By January, more than half the class has been selected.
 
People, that isn't the question she asked!!!!

OP, you need to wait and do it right. Don't waste money when you're not going to get in with such a late application. The published deadlines aren't the "real" deadlines. By January, more than half the class has been selected.

How is that not what she asked? It may have been in a round about way, and not directly, but she was asking whether to apply to DO or MD. I thought I was being helpful, because frankly she won't get into an MD with those stats. However, I do agree that it is probably best to just wait and do it right...to DO school that is. I guess she could apply to MD, but it would be a waste of $.

Cheers
 
Just Joshin is correct. It's not worth it to go through the whole process and not do it right. I suggest you stick it out for one more year. That will give you time to write a kick-ass PS (without having to also think about physics) and just prepare your application in general. You probably have a decent chance at interviews, but why shoot yourself in the foot with a late application? Then again, if you've got money to burn, I guess you could always reapply.

Good luck with whatever you decide. And, as someone else suggested, you should check out the pre-osteopathic forum -- they might be more helpful.
 
2. Entering an MPH program this fall and using that time to stregthen my record. However, I dont know if a MPH program would help an already low GPA and make me a candidate for an MD school or a better candidate for a DO school....

An MPH will not help you in the least. First of all, that GPA is entirely separate from your undergrad GPA. Second, an MPH isn't indicative of your academic capabilities in medicine because the curriculum is too different. Don't do an MPH. Take a year and get your application in order. It's unlikely that you'll get many bites for the class entering in 2011 by the time your MCAT comes in March.
 
How is that not what she asked? It may have been in a round about way, and not directly, but she was asking whether to apply to DO or MD. I thought I was being helpful, because frankly she won't get into an MD with those stats. However, I do agree that it is probably best to just wait and do it right...to DO school that is. I guess she could apply to MD, but it would be a waste of $.

Cheers

My mistake. I re-read it and you're right. I apologize. I thought she was asking about timing only. I now realize there was more to her question.
 
An MPH will not help you in the least. First of all, that GPA is entirely separate from your undergrad GPA. Second, an MPH isn't indicative of your academic capabilities in medicine because the curriculum is too different. Don't do an MPH. Take a year and get your application in order. It's unlikely that you'll get many bites for the class entering in 2011 by the time your MCAT comes in March.

I may be mistaken, but I thought that AMCOAS (unlike AMCAS) actually did combine undergraduate and graduate GPAs?
 
It may not be my place to disclose this info, but on her osteo thread she stated her GPA was 2.7 and hoping to raise it to 2.9 by the fall.

If anyone is going to give her useful advice, this is important.
 
It may not be my place to disclose this info, but on her osteo thread she stated her GPA was 2.7 and hoping to raise it to 2.9 by the fall.

If anyone is going to give her useful advice, this is important.

Interesting, on this thread it was 3.0 and 3.1. At any rate, it may be a good idea to do a postbac...??
 
That is her GPA in the post-bac...

Oh, I see. The 3.1 was the anticipated GPA. Hmmm, that's a bit of a pickle. I'm not sure what the average is for DO, but I would imagine it is a little higher than that.
 
Oh, I see. The 3.1 was the anticipated GPA. Hmmm, that's a bit of a pickle. I'm not sure what the average is for DO, but I would imagine it is a little higher than that.

3.5/28 is around the average.
 
I may be mistaken, but I thought that AMCOAS (unlike AMCAS) actually did combine undergraduate and graduate GPAs?

You are mistaken.

What AACOMAS does that AMCAS doesn't is count re-takes. If you take English Lit and get a D in it and then re-take it for an A, they'll still see the D, but the A is what they'll use for GPA calculation. AMCAS will count both the D and the A for GPA.

OP, if I were you, I'd spend some time re-taking classes that you did poorly in to raise your undergrad GPA. The caveat to that is, YOU MUST GET A's. If you're re-taking a class, nothing less than an A is acceptable. But if you can do it, I would. With a GPA of 3.0 and a post-bacc of only 3.1, you're fighting an uphill battle.
 
An MPH will not help you in the least. First of all, that GPA is entirely separate from your undergrad GPA. Second, an MPH isn't indicative of your academic capabilities in medicine because the curriculum is too different. Don't do an MPH. Take a year and get your application in order. It's unlikely that you'll get many bites for the class entering in 2011 by the time your MCAT comes in March.

Actually, thats not entirely correct JustJoshin. I posted below a cut out of my AACOMAS application, it does show my undergrad GPA seperate from my Graduate GPA, however under both GPAs it shows an overall GPA which is calculated from adding credits for both undergrad and grad school.

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Now, that being said, I dont know how much the differnt schools look at the overall GPA as opposed to just looking at UG alone. I do know, when I interviewed at LECOM-Erie, that they did talk to me about my graduate work and my undergraduate work and told me that they have no doubt that I could handle medical school material due to my graduate work. On the otherhand, when I interviewed at an allopathic school and spoke with an admissions counselor there, they told me that I will be mainly judged on my undergrad work - however my graduate work showed that I could handle medical school level material. My graduate work was in a hard-science (Microbiology), so that may be why they stated it was a good indicator of my abilities; I do not know anything about an MPH program, so wont speculate if that would be a good indicator or not.

My piece of advice for the poster, since your interested in DO, specifically LECOM (where Iv been accepted and likely be starting this Fall), would be to take your MCATs as soon as you feel ready for them, and not a second earlier, but keep in mind that the sooner you apply, the greater your chances of an acceptance. I can personally say this is true because I applied around January last year and didnt even get looked at by any of the schools. This year, I applied a month into the application cycle, and magically got an interview invite two weeks later.
I would not go into a Masters program unless you really, really wanted to. The reason I did a masters was because I was considering pursuing a PhD and decided against it. The biggest downfall of graduate school, while it gives you oppertunities to teach and do research, it can take an extremely long time to finish depending on your program. Like I said above, I am not sure what an MPH entails, but in the sciences I know if your research takes a turn for the worst it could tack on a few extra years/semesters to your studies...this happened to me, hence why I ended up applying to schools very late in the cycle last year...I do know, however, that many medical schools (not sure about LECOM) have programs that allow you to pursue your medical degree and a MPH at the same time. I would consider this before doing a seperate program if you are really into getting that degree. Also, I do not know what your ECs are like, but trying to get ECs under your belt can be difficult when you are devoting 100% of your time to grad school.
 
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The AACOMAS application lists undergrad and grad GPAs separately, then calculates them together into an overall grand total.

An MPH would not reassure adcomms that you can succeed in a science-heavy curriculum. It could be helpful in other ways, like providing research or teaching opportunities, but it isn't going to improve your chances of getting into allopathic med schools. And you can teach and do research in other ways.
 
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