Canadian accreditation programs

hi..ur info s really helpful...nice comparison...i was looking for some info abt canadian uni.
nice u started this thread!!
..so do u hav any idea regarding which are considered the top universities??how is there rating..? and which ones r easy to get into?
will be kind of u to reply....and what abt the other 4 dental uni in canada..do not they offer QP for foreign trained dentists..?..

can u tell more abt the clinical and interview process?
what do they ask in the clinical exam...and what abt the interview??

Hi Hanan,
Thanks for starting a great thread.
Nkhalid

i heard that university of toronto and western ontario are among the top uni.
....
UBC s also good but pretty hard to get into...
but according to ur data the EE and toefl requirements r higher for dalhousie and alberta i think....so what do u say ..!!?
i wonder if all these 6 uni offer clinical tests for admission....

nkhalid said:

Hi Hanan,
Thanks for starting a great thread.
Nkhalid

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hi nkhalid...do u hav any info regarding candian uni. ...have u given ur EE??

youre right alberta and dalhousie require moree in ee i think anything under 85 doesnt have too great a chance i got no call from dalhousie at 84 and 297/300 in toefl ALBERTA TOO DIDNT CALL ME WITH THE SAME MARKS THEY BOTH DO HAVE PRAC TESTS THOUGH TO BE HONEST DALHOUSIE AND TORONTO DONT PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO YOUR PRAC HAND I THINK IN DAL ITS MARKS AND IN TORONTO YOUR INTERVIEW BC I THINK MIGHT ACTUALLY GIVE PREF TO BCIANS BUT IM NOT SURE WESTERN ONT HAS A FIVE DAY PRAC TEST AND YOUR HAND MUST BE EXCEPTIONAL TO GET IN AND MANITOBA TOO HAS A FIVE DAY PRAC TEST BUT IT ALSO HAS A THEORY TEST AND INTERVIEW I THINK YOUR COLLECTIVE PERF COUNTS THOUGH YOUR MARKS DONT COUNT ONCE YOU GET AN INTERVIEW CALL

aps said:

youre right alberta and dalhousie require moree in ee i think anything under 85 doesnt have too great a chance i got no call from dalhousie at 84 and 297/300 in toefl ALBERTA TOO DIDNT CALL ME WITH THE SAME MARKS THEY BOTH DO HAVE PRAC TESTS THOUGH TO BE HONEST DALHOUSIE AND TORONTO DONT PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO YOUR PRAC HAND I THINK IN DAL ITS MARKS AND IN TORONTO YOUR INTERVIEW BC I THINK MIGHT ACTUALLY GIVE PREF TO BCIANS BUT IM NOT SURE WESTERN ONT HAS A FIVE DAY PRAC TEST AND YOUR HAND MUST BE EXCEPTIONAL TO GET IN AND MANITOBA TOO HAS A FIVE DAY PRAC TEST BUT IT ALSO HAS A THEORY TEST AND INTERVIEW I THINK YOUR COLLECTIVE PERF COUNTS THOUGH YOUR MARKS DONT COUNT ONCE YOU GET AN INTERVIEW CALL

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thanks for adding on to the thread..
what was ur gpa..ur toefl score s great! and did u hav any dental work experience?..is there any uni which does not take a clinical test..?
did u get any other call?
thanks doc.

hi in canada i didnt get my gpa scoring done i got a call from manitoba wpg and no in canada there are about 65 70 seats among 6 dental schools and all schools take a practical exam the exams are not that hard in themselves and with guidance you can really prepare for them by practising at home almost everybody at the interview i went to had a home setup and had practised alot

So dont they see ur gpa for canada?

As for the prac, do the uni tell beforehand what prep they will ask us to do?
......and what r these prep..?

have u already been selected?

it s so nice to see ur posts on this thread ..it s like u keep it going!
thanks doc....waiting for ur reply...

what does the 5 day clinical exam include?

Hii Hanan
u started a great thread!
do get back to it sometime please..!!
and there ll be so many others with info abt diff universities ...plsss contribute...

hanan said:

I would like to start this thread so all of us could share the info which will help us make better decision in choosing the "right school".
This is the information I gathered (thanks to our helpful ancestors )about canadian universities.
One should know that in Quebec, an accreditation could be given by l'ordre des dentistes du quebec (kind of state board there) without attending an accademic program...for more info, please read the thread:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=162787
Good luck

Stats Format : Seats/Degree/Years/EE/MinToefl or IELTS /Citizenship/Fee/instr/ Contact Info/ Deadline

University of Toronto (Toronto):
Stats: 25/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 70%/Toefl(CBT)>250, IELTS >6.0/ Citizen or PR/50.000$CAN/? / http://www.utoronto.ca/dentistry July 30th

University of Western Ontario (London):
Stats: 12/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 60%/Toefl(CBT)>230, IELTS >6.5/ Citizen or PR/?/? / http://www.fmd.uwo.ca/dentistry March 31st

University of Dalhousie (halifax):
Stats: 8/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 80%/Toefl(paper)>580, IELTS >6.5-7/ Citizen or PR/80.000$CAN/25.500$CAN / http://www.dentistry.dal.ca September 1st



University of British Columbia (Vancouver):
Stats: 10/ DMD/ 2 Yrs/ 60%/ IELTS >6/ ?/ 120.000$ CAN/? / http://www.dentistry.ubc.ca/ june 1st

University of Manitoba (Winnipeg):
Stats: 7/ DMD/ 2 Yrs/ 65%/ IELTS >6.5/Immigration documents ?/ 60.000$CAN/14.000$CAN / http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/dentistry/ August 30th

University of Alberta (Edmonton):
Stats: ?/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ 70%/Toefl(CBT)>250, IELTS >6.5/ Citizen or PR/83.000$CAN/25.500$CAN / http://www.dent.ualberta.ca November 1st


Author is not responsible for any incorrect info here. Please do your own research to make your decisions

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hi everyone,
i am new to the canadian situation, please tell me,the univ of british columbia and manitoba do not require canadian citizenship or PR?I am a US PR, i hope this can help?
also how many times in a year this EE exam is offered?please reply?thanks

hi
can anyone throw some more light on the practical exam held at the different universities

hi yes this year i was lucky to get into the univ of manitoba and yes thee was a practical exam they ahd given us what they wanted us to prepare beforehand there were class 3's class 2's mods amagam composites inlays crowns amalgam fillings temp crown preps all in all we had a chance to practise beforehand the faculty was really nice and helpful and they gave us two days to practise and get used to their systems however just because all of us has so much riding in the test there was stress involved there was a theory test and an interview basic stuff only this is winnipeg in halifa i know that gag whos on here sometimes got in this year she says there was a practical test but lower jaw only they dont tell you what teeth to prep but apparently you can pretty much guess as thay repeat the preps every year there are two preps i think a crown and a class two there is also a english test they take and a interview in toronto there interview is wierd also pychological stuff friend had aids what will you do kind of stuff i hate to say this but rumour has it they prefer girls western ontario is the hardest no idea what theyll give everything usualy from three fourth crowns to tunneling preps its hard very hard i heard they call over 100 people for the interview and frankly i dont agree with that that leaves two unis alberta and bc i dont know much about either however if you go to acfd sites a link will get in the college profiles which are really good and give you a really good idea whats going on by the way about permanent residents and stuff your best bet is to call unis phone nos are posted on the acfd site this is canada so everybody is like really user friendly anyway let me know if theres any other info you might be interested in and ill get bak to you best of luck

Hi godbless
EE is offered 2 times a yr...in may and in sep...
pls check www.acfd.ca....u ll get all the info u want..exam dates etc.

Hii APS
Thanks for replying.First of all congratulations.So hav u already joined the uni??
Which uni were u talking abt while talking bat gags..where u said they take a weird interview and prefer girls...is that uni of toronto..?/
abt ur university of manitoba...i was seeing there website//they also take ur autobiographical sketch..any tips abt that?..do they also need a curriculum vitae..?
and during the clinicals they hav OSCE station type test....can u tell more abt that...i saw one OSCE sample test online...but that was for those who had completed there QP...so is this of that same level..??
..i mean do they ask for treatments and diagnosis of tumours etc...??..
.and do we need to know the drug names as in candian brands??

aps said:

hi yes this year i was lucky to get into the univ of manitoba anyes thee was a practical exam they ahd given us what they wanted us to prepare beforehand there were class 3's class 2's mods amagam composites inlays crowns amalgam fillings temp crown preps all in all we had a chance to practise beforehand the faculty was really nice and helpful and they gave us two days to practise and get used to their systems however just because all of us has so much riding in the test there was stress involved there was a theory test and an interview basic stuff only this is winnipeg in halifa i know that gag whos on here sometimes got in this year she says there was a practical test but lower jaw only they dont tell you what teeth to prep but apparently you can pretty much guess as thay repeat the preps every year there are two preps i think a crown and a class two there is also a english test they take and a interview in toronto there interview is wierd also pychological stuff friend had aids what will you do kind of stuff i hate to say this but rumour has it they prefer girls western ontario is the hardest no idea what theyll give everything usualy from three fourth crowns to tunneling preps its hard very hard i heard they call over 100 people for the interview and frankly i dont agree with that that leaves two unis alberta and bc i dont know much about either however if you go to acfd sites a link will get in the college profiles which are really good and give you a really good idea whats going on by the way about permanent residents and stuff your best bet is to call unis phone nos are posted on the acfd site this is canada so everybody is like really user friendly anyway let me know if theres any other info you might be interested in and ill get bak to you best of luck

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Hi Hanan
Could you or someone else elaborate on this ..
Which universities give more weightage to which factor out of....
gpa, Ee score, toefl or ielts score, experience, your biodata including extracurricular activities, clinical performance, interview and your residency in that state....??
Can somebody comment on that plss.??

helllooo
anybody thereee!!

inquest said:

helllooo
anybody thereee!!

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Hi Inquest,
here is some info that you might find intesting
I can only comment on UManitoba....
here they are very picky on hand skills...
the 5 day interview process conist of 2 days of practice sessions ( during which time they will interview you for 30 min)
2 days of psycomotor skills ( crown preps and restorations on maniquins)
and half day of OSCE ( theory - consisting of slides, radiographs, cast and models - testing your theoritical knowledge)
It varies from year to year but in general the clinical portion accounts of 50% of your marks, OSCE accounts for 30% and interview accounts for the remaining 20%
Slection for the interview is based on various factors...
-ee scores
-past experiences ( eg they seem to give bonus points if you have experience as a dental assistant or hygeinst)
-ielts scores should be at least 7
-good references is always an asset
- in general the feel that they get from your resume

I hope this clears some of the doubts you have at least with Uof M
all the best for your application process
I know the road is hard but not impossible

Hi WcL

Thanks a lot for your reply...i see that u hav been giving some real good advice....so ur in Manitoba ....hows is the actual DDS?

Did u appear just for the Manitoba interview?And do you hav any idea about UBC..not many people talk much abt it...is it that they prefer BC residents?

Could you advise about EE preparation...which subjects to concentrate on more ..?How much time to give?any other tips...thanks.

All the best to you.
Thanks.

Hi wcl,
U had mentioned that the uni. values exp. as assistant or hygienist..but can we practice as a hygienist in Canada..i guess we need a licence for that!....?
Thanks.

Hii wcl
When considering recommendations...can these be from a canadian DDS..does that help?..besides of course the ones from your college dean or profs..?
sorry for so many ques. ..but u r sooo good at answering..no wonder u must hav been good at your interviews!! cos u r so clear with your answers.
Thanks Doc.

Hi inquest,
I have a pretty strong fealer that Uof M looks for experience in a candidate. what I mean is that they would prefer a candidate who knows his way around in a north american clinical setting. As the IDDP students will be directly integrated with the regular batch, it is helpful if one has north american experience. I met a few candidates who had experience as d hygenist or d assistant. so it is my general belif that this is one aspect that they are looking for.
regarding the ee prep solve past ee questions and dental decks. a score of 80 and above is the minimum that is needed.
recommendations could be from anyone... i had a recommendation from a physician... as long as you can back your self in the interview and not appear that you made up your resume you should be fine. Yes they do discuss your resume with you during the interview.
all the best... IF I COULD DO IT .... ANY ONE CAN

hi wcl are you in at u of manitoba if so which batch by the way youre right u of m does look for some sort of exp in their candidates either as assistants or receptionists or observers in the dental field i dont know how much weightage they give to candidates with exp out of north america i feel its a fair shot once you have an interview i think they give everybody the same opportunity based on their performance at the interview

Hii
Thanks for replying.
I do have some d assisting exp.and will add on to it..
Will a research assistant exp in dental related deptt be helpful??...so i may try for it..pls guide....
Presently my main aim is the perfect EE score.....will hav to crack it in 1 attempt..dont hav a choice..circumstances dont allow much flexibility to me...!..do hav much time till may...pls can u guide me more on that...
like u mentioned ..from where can i get the past EE papers...??
r there any tutoring centers for this type of exam...even in india...cos i can avail of indian facilities while i m here....??
how shud i go about my studies for the perfect score..??pls help!..it s the only thing on my mind ..in my life at present...
thanks a lottt..god bless u all....

[hi
i would like to add little bit more info to it:
dalhousie is 9 seats
western ontario.......15
and few more things ab clinical eaxm of toronto and halifax[dal]
for toronto,its pass or fail.they don'nt have any scale to grade u'r preps.but i wonder people still fail that exam.i guess they have some hidden criterias to pass`or fail a candidate in psychomotor skills.

about dal,u won't get an interview call with a low ee score.i know fewcandidates with 90 and above who came to dal for interview and did'nt get into and there are people with 84% or lower in dal this time bec is not only u'r high score that will get u into dal.its a combination of factors required to be there:

any academic achievments like some medals ,distinctions etc

u'r clinical skills bec after getting interview` call and thats the major factor for getting into the programme.u'll get to know ab what preps they 'll be asking in the exam along with u'r interview call.generally,its a class ii and agold crown on lower quadrants and the time u get for those preps is arround 1.5 hours.

there is an interview [just to determne u'r communication skills]and u have towrite a little essay on some genral topic eg marijuana

in case someone needs more info, u can pm me ab toronto manitoba and dal as these r the places i have been or u can serach for the thread ''canadian ee candidates must read this one.'' i tried to add fair amoun of info ab clinical prep in that thread.

and ab canadian released exams...i have few of those questions and exams and i can send it to u FOR FREE. send me u'r email id if u r intrested.

hanan said:

I would like to start this thread so all of us could share the info which will help us make better decision in choosing the "right school".
This is the information I gathered (thanks to our helpful ancestors )about canadian universities.
One should know that in Quebec, an accreditation could be given by l'ordre des dentistes du quebec (kind of state board there) without attending an accademic program...for more info, please read the thread:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=162787
Good luck

Stats Format : Seats/Degree/Years/EE/MinToefl or IELTS /Citizenship/Fee/instr/ Contact Info/ Deadline

University of Toronto (Toronto):
Stats: 25/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 70%/Toefl(CBT)>250, IELTS >6.0/ Citizen or PR/50.000$CAN/? / http://www.utoronto.ca/dentistry July 30th

University of Western Ontario (London):
Stats: 12/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 60%/Toefl(CBT)>230, IELTS >6.5/ Citizen or PR/?/? / http://www.fmd.uwo.ca/dentistry March 31st

University of Dalhousie (halifax):
Stats: 8/ QP/ 2 Yrs/ 80%/Toefl(paper)>580, IELTS >6.5-7/ Citizen or PR/80.000$CAN/25.500$CAN / http://www.dentistry.dal.ca September 1st



University of British Columbia (Vancouver):
Stats: 10/ DMD/ 2 Yrs/ 60%/ IELTS >6/ ?/ 120.000$ CAN/? / http://www.dentistry.ubc.ca/ june 1st

University of Manitoba (Winnipeg):
Stats: 7/ DMD/ 2 Yrs/ 65%/ IELTS >6.5/Immigration documents ?/ 60.000$CAN/14.000$CAN / http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/dentistry/ August 30th

University of Alberta (Edmonton):
Stats: ?/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ 70%/Toefl(CBT)>250, IELTS >6.5/ Citizen or PR/83.000$CAN/25.500$CAN / http://www.dent.ualberta.ca November 1st


Author is not responsible for any incorrect info here. Please do your own research to make your decisions

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Hi,

I am a non-international graduate of western ontario... here is a link to their QP.
http://www.fmd.uwo.ca/dentistry/QualifyingProgram/QP/FeesDeadlines.html

important points:
$1450 fee for taking week-long practical exam, includes prepping manikin teeth for operative and crowns. Also recommend taking restorative review course at the school (~$1800 for 1 week) because it is taught by the same instructors who grade the practical exam. Note that 12 students were chosen out of 103. Doing well is not sufficient... you must do better than 90 other dentists.

tuition: Year I: $50,145.00; Year II: $34,645.00

reapplying: very difficult, many new applicants every year and you will be at bottom of their list.

Thanks for taking time n adding on....
Could you pls tell ..when is this practice session held..in which month? and in which month do they take the actual clinical test?
and what is the application deadline?..eg if we r giving EE in may when do we take the practice session?
seems pretty tough!!!

inquest said:

Thanks for taking time n adding on....
Could you pls tell ..when is this practice session held..in which month? and in which month do they take the actual clinical test?
and what is the application deadline?..eg if we r giving EE in may when do we take the practice session?
seems pretty tough!!!

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Restorative Dentistry Review May29-Jun4 2006 (sorry have to apply 2007!)
http://www.fmd.uwo.ca/dentistry/cde/Restorative_Dentistry_Review-updated.pdf

The clinical test has varying times, contact the QP program at UWO for details. Last year two sessions were held in August.
http://www.fmd.uwo.ca/dentistry/QualifyingProgram/QP/AdmissionProcedure.html

I was working in school when they had the clinical exam the last 2 years, approximately 25 people are chosen for an interview after the clinical exam. From that pool, half are selected for next year's class. I must recommend that you take the RDR prior to applying! The plastic tooth preps must be made exactly according to the specifications they describe. I think that in general, the interview is not as important as the clinical exam... as long as your conversational english is ok and you are a pleasant person.

Just want to add some thing that UWO number of seats are 12 instead of 15 . 15 is only for the present year as they had some international seats vacant which they filled up.

I thought that the grade for the eligibility exam was marked on a curve....but someone said that it is the exact percentage that you got on the exam...does anyone know how the exam is marked for certain?????

I am not even sure ACFD does know

ya pls cud anyone say as to how is EE marked..is it the exact percentage..?
cud it be percentile by any case???

Hii docs pls tell me if u get selected in a US school and a canadian school as well.....which one would u join?>?

inquest said:

Hii docs pls tell me if u get selected in a US school and a canadian school as well.....which one would u join?>?

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I would definitely choose a Canadian school in a heart beat because it's in my home country and the tuition fee is less than that of an American school in general, for the same quality of dental education.

Thanks a lot for replying....i hope i get some more replies on that....!!!!
what else r the benefits in choosing a canadian dental school besides of course u can get a loan if u r a canadian and its cheaper here...?
and after getting DDS from canada...can we practice in US??
Thanks again...

cheer_up said:

I would definitely choose a Canadian school in a heart beat because it's in my home country and the tuition fee is less than that of an American school in general, for the same quality of dental education.

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inquest said:

Thanks a lot for replying....i hope i get some more replies on that....!!!!
what else r the benefits in choosing a canadian dental school besides of course u can get a loan if u r a canadian and its cheaper here...?
and after getting DDS from canada...can we practice in US??
Thanks again...

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You're welcome.
Yes, you can because all of the Canadian schools are accredited by the ADA. All you have to do is take the region exam of the state in which you want to practise. Everyone has to take this exam, including those graduating from the US dental schools.

Hie Gag ,
My e mail id is [email protected] UFT have a clinical exam ?? Pls guide me what to study for canadian exams.
Thx
Shriya

hi everyone! can anyone pls ans my query, if you fare badly in ur september 2006 ee and u wish to reappear in the may 2007 ee and u do really well , will the univs interview board have a prob with ur sept06 low score i mean do they have a policy on reappearing candidates for the purpose of improving marks and would it be wise to try to give it one shot only.

hi everyone! can anyone pls ans my query, if you fare badly in ur september 2006 ee and u wish to reappear in the may 2007 ee and u do really well , will the univs interview board have a prob with ur sept06 low score i mean do they have a policy on reappearing candidates for the purpose of improving marks and would it be wise to try to give it one shot only.

Yes U can appear as many times as u wat & ur fresh scores will be considered.

docgurlz said:

hi everyone! can anyone pls ans my query, if you fare badly in ur september 2006 ee and u wish to reappear in the may 2007 ee and u do really well , will the univs interview board have a prob with ur sept06 low score i mean do they have a policy on reappearing candidates for the purpose of improving marks and would it be wise to try to give it one shot only.

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Pheonix said:

Yes U can appear as many times as u wat & ur fresh scores will be considered.

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As far as I understand, only your highest score will be considered, and that score may not be your latest score. The E.E. is not like the American boards whereby only the latest scores will be considered.

Farah said:

Aps congats and Welcome to Winnipeg. Do you anyone been accepted at UofM less than 82%. I got 81% and worked as an observer in PA, USA for few months. And being Manitoba Residents, do you see my chances at Uof Manitoba.

Looking forward to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
Farah

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It's really hard to tell whether you'll have a chance or not. This is because the applicant pool changes from year to year, especially this year, considering the E.E. was harder than last year's and therefore, the average has gone down quite a bit (by 10% compared to last May's E.E.). So the best bet is to just apply and see. I think your score is good enough to apply. I don't think being a Manitoba resident will give you any extra advantage over the other Canadian or permanent resident applicants, though. Good luck.

Ya Cheer_up is right..ur being a manitoba resident wont help with ur admission..as I got it confirmed thru a mail from them..a few days before..anyways best of luck..
can anyone say what exactly do they prefer in successful candidates...?

cheer_up said:

It's really hard to tell whether you'll have a chance or not. This is because the applicant pool changes from year to year, especially this year, considering the E.E. was harder than last year's and therefore, the average has gone down quite a bit (by 10% compared to last May's E.E.). So the best bet is to just apply and see. I think your score is good enough to apply. I don't think being a Manitoba resident will give you any extra advantage over the other Canadian or permanent resident applicants, though. Good luck.

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hi cheer_up thanks for the info but my doubt is would they have a problem with my appearing twice do they prefer people who have done well in the first try only?sorry for being repetitive thanks in advance

are u currentlly studin in some canadian dent school i wud luv to knw ur firsthand experience for gettin admission

docgurlz said:

hi cheer_up thanks for the info but my doubt is would they have a problem with my appearing twice do they prefer people who have done well in the first try only?sorry for being repetitive thanks in advance

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No problem docgurls . As far as I know, it doesn't really matter how many times you've taken your exam as long as you have a competitive score. Very, very few people have to only take it once. The majority of people take it as least twice or more. But of course, it's always best if you only have to take it once and get a great score, because it will save you a lot a money spending on taking E.E.