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Just for the hell of it, I checked GasWork.com; there are over 1000 jobs posted. That is insane! Still lots of work out there for those just entering residency.

Any thoughts on how long this will last? My thoughts are that this will continue for at least the next 10 years.
 
The_Sensei said:
Just for the hell of it, I checked GasWork.com; there are over 1000 jobs posted. That is insane! Still lots of work out there for those just entering residency.

Any thoughts on how long this will last? My thoughts are that this will continue for at least the next 10 years.
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i hope for more than just 10 years! 😀
 
Yes there are tons of jobs out there for anesthesia providers. I thought the CRNA's were taking them all?
 
there might be jobs. but, look at what they paid about say 2 years ago and then look at what's out there now. Also, it's BS that 'CRNAS' are good cuz they will work in more rural areas. Not true. These CRNAs are trying to work in the same metropolitan areas that you and I want to work in. A lot of those job listings are for podunk, USA....where you wont find an anesthesiologist or CRNA to work. I've seen the listings too. But to be able to mk what anesthesiologists made in the past >400k easily, in a major city is hard.
 
The many CRNA's that you speak of practicing in large urban areas largely are employed by your associates man. Take houston. There is 1 credible CRNA only group and they deal more with locum placement more than anything. The majority of the rest work in ACT practices.
 
ThinkFast007 said:
there might be jobs. but, look at what they paid about say 2 years ago and then look at what's out there now. Also, it's BS that 'CRNAS' are good cuz they will work in more rural areas. Not true. These CRNAs are trying to work in the same metropolitan areas that you and I want to work in. A lot of those job listings are for podunk, USA....where you wont find an anesthesiologist or CRNA to work. I've seen the listings too. But to be able to mk what anesthesiologists made in the past >400k easily, in a major city is hard.
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Think, I respect you and your opinions.

But alotta the banter thrown around this forum is done by people who arent even in the biz yet who disseminate erroneous info.

I've been in the biz ten years this coming July.

Major city incomes are UP current day compared to the last ten years. Hence my decision to live in podunct USA for most of the past ten years.

In May 04 I moved to a major city (if you consider new orleans a major city) for an income NEARLY TWICE what it was five years ago. I looked here five years ago and despite pressure from my boss, said f uck that. Hire someone else. I've gotta good gig.

Times have changed for the better, in metropolitan areas, at least in the southeast.
 
The jobs are definitely out there. But the ones that are really paying "Loot" are not on gasworks. Those are places that have been looking for some time. I found my first job by word of mouth and it paid more than any job on gasworks by far. Things changed and I wanted lifestyle more than $$ so I started looking again. I found my next job again by word of mouth and it wasn't on gasworks.
Jet is right about metropolitan areas. They are looking hard these days and paying more. I found that many of them are going "all MD" as well. Not as prevalent inthe south, however.
 
Thanks for the head up Noyac and Jet

I guess maybe it's different in the south from what you guys are saying. I'm just a little biased cuz i'm thinking more of the midwest. in the midwest, atleast from teh data i've seen it's different.

i mean come on isnt the south podunct? :laugh:


seriously though, i'd be interested in finding out more about the accurate earnings in the midwest if someone has any info. I'm just relaying from what i've read on gasworks and ppl i've talked to in the midwest.
 
ThinkFast007 said:
Thanks for the head up Noyac and Jet

I guess maybe it's different in the south from what you guys are saying. I'm just a little biased cuz i'm thinking more of the midwest. in the midwest, atleast from teh data i've seen it's different.

i mean come on isnt the south podunct? :laugh:


seriously though, i'd be interested in finding out more about the accurate earnings in the midwest if someone has any info. I'm just relaying from what i've read on gasworks and ppl i've talked to in the midwest.
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I always thought that the midwest paid really well. I mean, who the hell would want to live there? :laugh:
 
Noyac said:
I always thought that the midwest paid really well. I mean, who the hell would want to live there? :laugh:
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If it wasnt for the Garmin 530 gps units in the birds I fly, I wouldnt even know where the midwest was. 😀
 
I came from Ohio.....that's why I'm in the south now. Good jobs are really by word of mouth.....


There are still groups out there right now that make there bucks by skimming from new grads....watch out for those.

I offered a contract to someone 6 months ago...he declined....going to a "better" group....he's back looking at us again....BUT....I've since offered the contract to someone else....someone better.....

So...when you look...look carefully.
 
Jet - time to step up to the G1000 big guy...

Maybe in that new mooney acclaim...~240kts with 8 hours endurance....
 
Koil Gugliemi said:
Jet - time to step up to the G1000 big guy...

Maybe in that new mooney acclaim...~240kts with 8 hours endurance....
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Hadnt even heard og the acclaim so I searched it....pretty sweet!

1600 nm range at 200 ktas...wow...bring a foley...
 
UTSouthwestern said:
You claim the south is backward yet use the term "podunct"? Weakkkkkkkkkkkk 😀
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Yes the appropriate term to mock would be podunk, y'all.

And I go to a deeply southern school- our boys wear loafers, bowties, seersucker suits on occasion, and they look dashing. Plus they remember to hold the door for you, when they aren't falling down drunk :laugh:
 
FL250 without pressurization...better bring an ET tube too.
 
Speaking of Gaswork, did anyone see the offer for a Pain doc in Logan Utah paying 140K a year with no partnership track? I've been through Logan and it's a nice little town, but not exactly exciting. I can't believe a fellowship trained M.D. would work for this amount - a CRNA does better than this. If the amount is accurate, anyone taking this position is doing a disservice to the profession.

Is it just Utah? Do they have anesthesiologists coming out of their ears? It is the only posting for that state.



In May 04 I moved to a major city (if you consider new orleans a major city) for an income NEARLY TWICE what it was five years ago. I looked here five years ago and despite pressure from my boss, said f uck that. Hire someone else. I've gotta good gig.

Times have changed for the better, in metropolitan areas, at least in the southeast.[/QUOTE]
 
Lasvegas said:
Speaking of Gaswork, did anyone see the offer for a Pain doc in Logan Utah paying 140K a year with no partnership track? I've been through Logan and it's a nice little town, but not exactly exciting. I can't believe a fellowship trained M.D. would work for this amount - a CRNA does better than this. If the amount is accurate, anyone taking this position is doing a disservice to the profession. .
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That is not a real job. Read my post on your other thread.

That add is epidemic of the problem of predatory employers who want to pay next to nothing for anesthesiologists.


Good jobs are hard to find. Look at gaswork or talk to any recruiter and 80% of the jobs you hear about are B.S. where you are going to get screwed. Good jobs where you work for straight hourly income or get to bill for your own cases are rare. Most jobs force you to take call and work late for little or no extra compensation.

Too many jobs offer “partnership income from day one” but will be paid thru the imaginary bonus plan. I.E. work for 6 month to a year at 150K per year and be fired for demanding to be paid your bonus. OR You could slave away (80 hour per week at 150K) for two to five years to make partner, then be fired just before you make partner to be replaced by a new graduate or learn that the group is loosing money and partner make little or nothing.

If you take call or stay late you should be rewarded, with additional pay in your next pay check and not just in the form of and empty promise of partnership or the promise of an imaginary bonus in 12 months. With every job I have had that is a radical Idea whose mere mention could get me fired or placed on the non partner tract.

The other problem I have with most jobs on gasworks is the problem of deferred compensation is ripe for abuse. The employers of Anesthesiologists know that it cost about 100K to sue someone so they fee free to steal 100K per employee with little fear of reprisal.
 


That is not a real job. Read my post on your other thread.

That add is epidemic of the problem of predatory employers who want to pay next to nothing for anesthesiologists.


Good jobs are hard to find. Look at gaswork or talk to any recruiter and 80% of the jobs you hear about are B.S. where you are going to get screwed. Good jobs where you work for straight hourly income or get to bill for your own cases are rare. Most jobs force you to take call and work late for little or no extra compensation.

Too many jobs offer “partnership income from day one” but will be paid thru the imaginary bonus plan. I.E. work for 6 month to a year at 150K per year and be fired for demanding to be paid your bonus. OR You could slave away (80 hour per week at 150K) for two to five years to make partner, then be fired just before you make partner to be replaced by a new graduate or learn that the group is loosing money and partner make little or nothing.

If you take call or stay late you should be rewarded, with additional pay in your next pay check and not just in the form of and empty promise of partnership or the promise of an imaginary bonus in 12 months. With every job I have had that is a radical Idea whose mere mention could get me fired or placed on the non partner tract.

The other problem I have with most jobs on gasworks is the problem of deferred compensation is ripe for abuse. The employers of Anesthesiologists know that it cost about 100K to sue someone so they fee free to steal 100K per employee with little fear of reprisal.[/QUOTE]

Man, Ket, you may need to change your networking avenues.

Right here, right now, I know of SEVERAL jobs that are PARTNERSHIP jobs,,,that are legit...good starting salary (300K +) with higher partnership salaries (450-600K).

Sorry, I dont agree with your paid-by-the-hour philosophy.

I believe in the partnership model, albeit a fair partnership model (Mil has alluded for you new grads to watch out for groups that use new grads for profit).

You won't get rich working by the hour.

Ooops, I misspoke.

You wont get rich and have 8-13 weeks vacation by working by the hour.

BTW, at this point in my career, my time off is just as important as the C-notes.

Nope, that ain't right.

My time off is MORE important than the C-notes.
 
jetproppilot said:
Right here, right now, I know of SEVERAL jobs that are PARTNERSHIP jobs,,,that are legit...good starting salary (300K +) with higher partnership salaries (450-600K).

Sorry, I dont agree with your paid-by-the-hour philosophy.

I believe in the partnership model, albeit a fair partnership model (Mil has alluded for you new grads to watch out for groups that use new grads for profit).

You won't get rich working by the hour.

Ooops, I misspoke.

You wont get rich and have 8-13 weeks vacation by working by the hour.

BTW, at this point in my career, my time off is just as important as the C-notes.

Nope, that ain't right.

My time off is MORE important than the C-notes.
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Are any of these “SEVERAL jobs” good jobs on gasswork, and if so how might one tell them from all the rest of the garbage jobs on that site.

Mil claims to have made partner in less than a month, that sound fair but unfortnatly that is the exception not the rule. One year is usually the shortest tract to partner and three years being the average with five years not uncommon.

The whole time you are hoping to make partner you are venerable to abuse. You will inevitably have to take more call and get paid less until you make partner.

Why should you have to accept this abuse? Why can’t you get paid for what you do from day one and not have to take the abuse? So unless you make partner almost immediately you are getting screwed.

While billing your own cases is the ideal unfortunatly some payers will not pay much. IL medicaid payments are so low that most billing agencies don’t even bother to submit a claim. $11 dollars for four hours of anesthesia paid by IL medicaid or $150 per hour guaranteed by the hospital is not much of a choice. Some places the payor mix is so bad, the turnover so slow, or the cases are so rare that a guaranteed hourly rate is only way to make a fair wage.
 
Theres a group that works the socal hospital I'm rotating through. You start off as a partner day 1 and you eat what you kill. Kinda like an er model of a group. They seem to like it but most of them work pretty hard. The flip side is that they make bank >350k/year w/a pretty good amount of call
 
yes lets all quit anesthesia and go into plastics 😴
 
toughlife said:
Sucks for residency programs with high number of medicare patients.
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The residency programs can take the hit without feeing it at all. They pay their residents 35K-40K then get 100K or more per resident per year from the government. The teaching attending are paid far less than private practice attendings. So their costs are much lower than a private group for the same cases. The program directors are the only ones making any serious money often making well in excess of a million per year.
 
ketamine said:
The residency programs can take the hit without feeing it at all. They pay their residents 35K-40K then get 100K or more per resident per year from the government. The teaching attending are paid far less than private practice attendings. So their costs are much lower than a private group for the same cases. The program directors are the only ones making any serious money often making well in excess of a million per year.
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But what about the programs that rely heavily on medicare dollars to hire new faculty, midlevels to cover for residents and do research? Where will the money come from if they have a low private pay/medicare patient ratio?
 
ketamine said:
The residency programs can take the hit without feeing it at all. They pay their residents 35K-40K then get 100K or more per resident per year from the government. The teaching attending are paid far less than private practice attendings. So their costs are much lower than a private group for the same cases. The program directors are the only ones making any serious money often making well in excess of a million per year.
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do program directors really make more than everyone else, even more than program chairs? how is that possible?
 
TheSandMan said:
do program directors really make more than everyone else, even more than program chairs? how is that possible?
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Knowing the salaries of several chairmen and program directors, that salary is rare, if it exists at all. $300-$500K for chairmen and less for PD's is what I have seen.
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Knowing the salaries of several chairmen and program directors, that salary is rare, if it exists at all. $300-$500K for chairmen and less for PD's is what I have seen.
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In my program the program director and the chairman was the same person. So I guess the chairman is more appropriate to describe the head of an academic anesthesia department.

The program, that I graduated from lost its chairman and while they wanted recruit a new one at about $500K per year. They were unable to get any quality applicants since all the good candidates wanted double that which would have seriously cut into the teaching attending salaries.

I serously doubt your chair Dr. J. is working for only 300K to 500K per year; you could ask him but doubt he would give you an answer.
 
ketamine said:
In my program the program director and the chairman was the same person. So I guess the chairman is more appropriate to describe the head of an academic anesthesia department.

The program, that I graduated from lost its chairman and while they wanted recruit a new one at about $500K per year. They were unable to get any quality applicants since all the good candidates wanted double that which would have seriously cut into the teaching attending salaries.

I serously doubt your chair Dr. J. is working for only 300K to 500K per year; you could ask him but doubt he would give you an answer.
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I know what his salary is. It isn't over $500K. Same for the PD, CV chair, pain management chief, VA chief, and head of Parkland.

Your program must have more issues than just the pay scale for hiring a new chairman. $500K is the high end for academic chairs.
 
ketamine said:
The residency programs can take the hit without feeing it at all.
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Most residency programs are loaded with red ink - I don't know where you get that concept from.
 
UTSouthwestern said:
I know what his salary is. It isn't over $500K. Same for the PD, CV chair, pain management chief, VA chief, and head of Parkland.

Your program must have more issues than just the pay scale for hiring a new chairman. $500K is the high end for academic chairs.
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The San Francisco chronicle published the total compensation for the top paid University of California Employees in this link.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/special/pages/2005/ucsalary/

Both Ron Miller(UCSF) and Patricia Kapur (UCLA) get about 400k. Chairs at other campuses get about 300k. Of course this is just the UC compensation and does not include honoraria, royalties, etc.

The highest paid folks included a couple of dermatopathologists(UCSF), UCLA liver transplant director, and of course a couple of head football coaches😱
 
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