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Hi guys,
My close friend is debating b/w WVSOM and SGU. Both are very expensive (SGU = 240k, WVSOM = 300k). What do you think? please give him some thoughts.
Thanks
 
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DrBMX said:
Hi guys,
My close friend is debating b/w WVSOM and SGU. Both are very expensive (SGU = 240k, WVSOM = 300k). What do you think? please give him some thoughts.
Thanks
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Sorry dude,...but man, what kind of a question is this?!!!!!! :laugh:
 
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McGrill,
Are you a DO student? could you tell us a bit about DO school? thanks
 
DrBMX said:
McGrill,
Are you a DO student? could you tell us a bit about DO school? thanks
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No this guy says he's going to a caribbean MD school, but feels the need to continually trash and put down his own choice. Kinda Pathetic. SGU is an excellent choice, though you'd probably do slightly better with the more competitve residencies coming from a DO school.
 
I am sorry to se that you are so insecure about your decision that you feel that you have to insult a total stranger in order to make yourself feel better, I will say a little prayer to GODzilla for your soul.

On to the original question, no, I am not even in med school yet but if I were in the US (and not Canada) I would be opting for the DO route for several reasons including less red tape and more-or-les better opportunities in terms of residency placements.




vtrain said:
No this guy says he's going to a caribbean MD school, but feels the need to continually trash and put down his own choice. Kinda Pathetic. SGU is an excellent choice, though you'd probably do slightly better with the more competitve residencies coming from a DO school.
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About time someone put him in his place.
McGill goes to Ross by the way and posts on the ValueMD.com site all the time.
 
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Alright alright.. calm down folks...

vtrain although your psychoanalysis was fun i think psychoanalyses are generally greatly overated and presumptuous. If all our psyches correlate to our names then i'd be perceived as a high-kicking WillandGrace-watching prissy gay dude who dreams of a future in interior design... and CrackaMD would be a wigger with aspirations of becoming the first MD/rapper to go double platinum during their residency in psychology of all things. But he's not.. he probly chose the name because it sounds catchy and i chose my name cuz my first choice was taken and this randomly came to mind being a Canadian. As for MgGillGrad... i dont think you can really get alot outta a name.

Though i disagree with the admittedly slightly derisive "You got rejected from a DO school, huh?" comment (btw maybe it was meant to be sarcastically jocular), the totality of what ive read from MgGillGrad on both SDN and ValueMD has been a pretty consistent; with a balanced view on the benefits and shortfall that comes with the carib.

Just thought i'd add my 2¢ ($ 0.0175545 USD)
 
Wow, that is quite a big response. I am flattered by all of the attention. I must have touched a nerve. Please do not allow other people to control your emotions so easily. It will hurt you in the future.



vtrain said:
Haha...I have ZERO insecurities about the school I go to. You however do (by the way, what you're doing right now is what's called in psychology as 'projection' - whereby you attempt to see your own insecurities in others). It pisses me off to no end people like you who have grossly evident inferiority complexes who overcompensate by being narcisisstic jackasses. Ive been reading ur posts and you intend to go to a carib school, am I right?? Obviously you are since you post on this site often. I also noticed that you put your schools name, McGill, in your name which suggests a number of things - ie you are proud of the school you go to and names/prestige mean something to you (McGill afterall is one of the BEST universities in Canada). However, you can't bear to be associated with a caribbean school, even though you know you will be one day because you couldn't get into an LCME school. Because you dont want to be associated with caribbean schools, you continually put down people who go to these schools (ie your last statement, "You got rejected from a DO school, huh?" when someone said that they prefer SGU (by the way, I went there for one year before I transferred to an LCME school). By continually spinning a negative light on these schools like SGU, you portray a superior attitude, that is quite frankly, as I've said before, pathetic. Your "I'm not one of them" attitude is sad because YOU ARE. Get a life - no one likes the guy who goes to a soup kitchen, complains/bad mouths the food, only to wait in line for his helping.
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CrackaMD said:
About time someone put him in his place.
McGill goes to Ross by the way and posts on the ValueMD.com site all the time.
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No, I do not go to any medical school. Like I have stated in countless posts, I will be applying this summer. Reading is FUNdamental. 😉
 
CanCan said:
Though i disagree with the admittedly slightly derisive "You got rejected from a DO school, huh?" comment (btw maybe it was meant to be sarcastically jocular), the totality of what ive read from MgGillGrad on both SDN and ValueMD has been a pretty consistent; with a balanced view on the benefits and shortfall that comes with the carib.

Just thought i'd add my 2¢ ($ 0.0175545 USD)
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Thank you for the kind words.

I think that people get defensive all too easily these days. Is it really that difficult to accept that different people have different opinions?

My drive-by comment about being rejected by a DO school was meant to instigate a defensive response of the author's choice. I wish someone would have asked me to elaborate on my initial one word response. I would have stated that WVSOM is rated in the top 10 in certain specialties.

I have no qualms about going to a Caribbean medical school and proudly announcing it. The issue that gets people's goat is that when given a choice, I would choose DO if I were American.

I do not know why that annoys vtrain, who is Canadian and who is in the Caribbean because it does not apply to him. Trying to control other's opinions is not a healthy pastime:laugh:
 
I actually specialize in a form of hip-hop treatment (very complicated and many years of residency). Don't laugh because I'm not much different than a DO! We don't take the USMLE, we take the MChammerM&M steps.
 
DrBMX said:
Hi guys,
My close friend is debating b/w WVSOM and SGU. Both are very expensive (SGU = 240k, WVSOM = 300k). What do you think? please give him some thoughts.
Thanks
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First off, I think the $60,000 difference is a relatively trivial consideration in such a major decision.
With that said, there are many good arguments to be made for and against both schools. Ultimately, only your friend will have to decide which option is a better 'fit' for them.
As I see it, the benefits to going the osteopathic route are:
1. An LCME school and all the benefits contained therein
2. A degree well regarded and recognised within the US and a number of other countries worldwide
3. Oppurtunity to compete for allopathic and osteopathic residencies
4. The 'convenience' of not having to uproot to another country
5. Many ( esp. primary care physicians ) value the osteopathic approach to evaluating and treating patients
The following should also be considered when considering the osteopathic
route:
1. Many ( unfortunate, but undeniably true) are unaware of the D.O. degree and question the D.O. physician about their qualifications. After residency few question MDs as to their medical school. Once a D.O. however, always a D.O., and many will continue to ask for explanations regarding what exactly it is a D.O. does ( please do not interpret this as a derogatory comment on D.O.s or their training)
2. While the D.O. degree has great acceptance in the U.S. and a good number of countries internationally, it is not as well recognised generally as the MD/ MBBS. To many, this consideration is only slight, as they feel assured that they will never immigrate beyond the 50 states and its territories. For me, this however, was a major deterrent in evaluating the D.O. route.
I think both options are quality routes for your friend. Interestingly, a recent thread in the anesthesiology forum posed the question about preferential hiring of a Harvard grad versus another grad in private practice. The reply of one of the most respected attendings who frequents the Board was quite telling. In it , the attending wrote that he would sooner hire a Ross grad who could work with people than a Harvard grad who had people skill problems. When another poster asked if this was true of all fields of medicine, another attending in private practice attested to the fact that it was. I guess what I am attempting to get at is that if you go to either of these schools with the above considerations in mind, and are personable, you should go far. I would suggest your friend peruse the DO forum for the ubiquitous DO vs. MD threads. I would also suggest they take a look at residency placement lists for the past number of years. Take care.
 
bulletproof said:
As I see it, the benefits to going the osteopathic route are:
1. An LCME school and all the benefits contained therein
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DO schools are not accredited by the LCME. They are accredited by the AOA.
 
D.O is recognized nower days in many, many countries, esp in the civilized World. Having an MD from either USA or the Caribbean does not automatically put you at the advantage of practicing medicine abroad. If you go to practice medicine abroad you are an FMG (for that country). My suggestion is if you really want to go to,let's say, Europe, you just may be better off entering some domicile program in the country of your choice. But keep in mind, that many countries have a significant surplus of the physicians, and you may never be able to practice medicine over there as an FMG. But if given an opportunity, your U.S D.O degree could be evaluated. And what do the find? 😉 You've guessed it...everything that MD education has + OMM. And if you want to work for the US interests abroad, then D.O wins hands down. Also it's not uncommon to see the title " Joe Blow, MD,DO or ,DO,MD"
D.Os often buy MD degree form some banana republic, but practice and bill as D.Os. With so many graduates, and new D.O schools opening up, to me ppl who still live in the cave and don't know what D.O means is not an issue. If somebody has a real choice U.S vs Foreign, then it's really ideotic not to take an advantage of the education at home,IMHO.
 
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guys,

Thanks so much for your inputs. After couple days doing "research" in both SGU and DO, I found more things to ask


1. It seems like WVSOM has better 2 basic science years b/c smaller class size, 24/24 access to anatomy lab, support from faculty, etc.v...v and living conditions are better in the first two years compare to SGU. However, I'm not sure if WVSOM has better clinical rotations than SGU. According to WVSOM website, year 3 students rotate thru community centers and rural medical offices. I'm not sure about year 3 at SGU in NY or NJ? Also, DOs school seems to have problems with clinical rotations since they're doubling class size. Year 4 at WVSOM, a student is almost by his/her own. Could anyone tell me about SGU year 4?


2. I read "why should not attend a DO school" at SDN, a very helpful thread. Their main concerns are lacking of residency spots as well as questionable quality of DO residencies? What do you think about this? Does anyone have any ideas DO residencies have any problems of finding jobs?


Thanks so much for your help.
 
Most DOs do not do DO residencies they do MD residencies.
 
vtrain said:
Haha...I have ZERO insecurities about the school I go to. You however do (by the way, what you're doing right now is what's called in psychology as 'projection' - whereby you attempt to see your own insecurities in others). It pisses me off to no end people like you who have grossly evident inferiority complexes who overcompensate by being narcisisstic jackasses. Ive been reading ur posts and you intend to go to a carib school, am I right?? Obviously you are since you post on this site often. I also noticed that you put your schools name, McGill, in your name which suggests a number of things - ie you are proud of the school you go to and names/prestige mean something to you (McGill afterall is one of the BEST universities in Canada). However, you can't bear to be associated with a caribbean school, even though you know you will be one day because you couldn't get into an LCME school. Because you dont want to be associated with caribbean schools, you continually put down people who go to these schools (ie your last statement, "You got rejected from a DO school, huh?" when someone said that they prefer SGU (by the way, I went there for one year before I transferred to an LCME school). By continually spinning a negative light on these schools like SGU, you portray a superior attitude, that is quite frankly, as I've said before, pathetic. Your "I'm not one of them" attitude is sad because YOU ARE. Get a life - no one likes the guy who goes to a soup kitchen, complains/bad mouths the food, only to wait in line for his helping.
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hey just a qs, im applying to carib as i dont think i have a chance in US schools now... but wud like to transfer to the US the way u did....atleast hoping i can... wht r ur chances of transferring if one is not american?
 
DrBMX said:
1. It seems like WVSOM has better 2 basic science years b/c smaller class size, 24/24 access to anatomy lab, support from faculty, etc.v...v and living conditions are better in the first two years compare to SGU. However, I'm not sure if WVSOM has better clinical rotations than SGU. According to WVSOM website, year 3 students rotate thru community centers and rural medical offices. I'm not sure about year 3 at SGU in NY or NJ? Also, DOs school seems to have problems with clinical rotations since they're doubling class size. Year 4 at WVSOM, a student is almost by his/her own. Could anyone tell me about SGU year 4?
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WVSOM has enough clinical rotation sites for the class size. They have already worked out the number of spots that they need for the student numbers.
So there are no problems with clinical rotations.
Also, 4th year students are not on their own. Simply they can chose where they want to go 4th year, but the school is there to help us. So I will be going to any places that I am considering applying to residency to so I can check them out.
 
DrBMX said:
Hi guys,
My close friend is debating b/w WVSOM and SGU. Both are very expensive (SGU = 240k, WVSOM = 300k). What do you think? please give him some thoughts.
Thanks
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WHAT DO I THINK? go to hell, that is what i think..
 
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