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McGillGrad · Oct 20, 2006

It amuses me to hear this line of reasoning by supposedly intelligent people. Why on earth would information regarding Caribbean medical schools be restricted to those who attend them (except, of course, information that pertains to personal experiences, thereof)?

Anyone can read the websites and look up state licensing information. You would be missing a few brain cells to assume that being in Canada equals knowledge about a school that is openly listed on websites and informational publications.

In respect to my "misinformation", please list/cite them or refrain from lying in order to slander someone whom intimidates you, intellectually.

I expect a complete response with details within 24 hours. That is an order!

SabaMed said:
I was just curious how you became an expert of caribbean schools but you haven't been to any of them. Can I become an expert of McGill University without ever setting foot in Canada? See my point. In reading alot of your posts I would say a great amount of the information you have posted is incorrect or flat out wrong. I know that seems like a pretty bold statement but you seem to be off alot here and there and it adds up. I would hate to see someone interested in going to the Caribbean read your posts and actually believe you.

oldpro · Oct 20, 2006

Ok I'll bite ( hey I always bite) I think that those of us at a School or have been at (God help you )2 or more schools have some good perspectives but and a big but, unless we have ( and I have for years) done lots of research then being at a school does not make you a "Caribbean Expert" thats like saying your a Doctor because you were sick. Not all these schools are the same, some are set up legit IE: to teach Medicine and in some cases make Money and others are set up only to make money. I hope most of these schools are for the first case.

SabaMed · Oct 20, 2006

McGillGrad said:
It amuses me to hear this line of reasoning by supposedly intelligent people. Why on earth would information regarding Caribbean medical schools be restricted to those who attend them (except, of course, information that pertains to personal experiences, thereof)?

Anyone can read the websites and look up state licensing information. You would be missing a few brain cells to assume that being in Canada equals knowledge about a school that is openly listed on websites and informational publications.

McGill, this is a similar view I share on learning anatomy. My opinion is that future doctors can never fully understand and learn anatomy completely unless they have worked on a cadaver nor do I think someone can fully understand and know what's going on at these schools without every being there. If you want me to break down errors of each and every post I could probably give you a stack that would rival the library of Congress.

McGillGrad · Oct 20, 2006

SabaMed said:
If you want me to break down errors of each and every post I could probably give you a stack that would rival the library of Congress.

In other words, you do not have any posts to back up your false assertion and you are avoiding the subject to try to save face.

Hyperbole only weakens your position, so I would use it carefully.

oldpro · Oct 21, 2006

SabaMed said:
McGill, this is a similar view I share on learning anatomy. My opinion is that future doctors can never fully understand and learn anatomy completely unless they have worked on a cadaver nor do I think someone can fully understand and know what's going on at these schools without every being there. If you want me to break down errors of each and every post I could probably give you a stack that would rival the library of Congress.

Funny cause I have done both, Cadavers and fresh living and I think you dont know anatomy till you do fresh living, organs and tissues are different in looks size and texture in living. (I did 2 years surgery tech, 17 as an RN) I think cadavers are nice but not nessary and so do some US medschools too now, they are going to stop having cadavers at some schools so I hear. :idea:

erichaj · Oct 21, 2006

McGillGrad said:
It amuses me to hear this line of reasoning by supposedly intelligent people. Why on earth would information regarding Caribbean medical schools be restricted to those who attend them (except, of course, information that pertains to personal experiences, thereof)?

Anyone can read the websites and look up state licensing information. You would be missing a few brain cells to assume that being in Canada equals knowledge about a school that is openly listed on websites and informational publications.

In respect to my "misinformation", please list/cite them or refrain from lying in order to slander someone whom intimidates you, intellectually.

I expect a complete response with details within 24 hours. That is an order!

As an IMG I feel I can comment on this.

You are right. You can get most of the information you need about these schools by searching the internet or calling the state medical boards.
This information will allow you to have some degree of success in making you decision.

However, If you have never attended one of these school you don't REALLY know what they are like. Its kind of like reading all about driving a porsche and being able to explain it on paper, but if you have never driven one, you can't really explain the feeling of it. So, since you did say "except information about personal experiences" I would have to agree with what you have said.

As long as you stick to the FACTS, then you will be OK. The minute you start school there, you will be able to comment on the bull s**t that goes on there.

erichaj · Oct 21, 2006

oldpro said:
Funny cause I have done both, Cadavers and fresh living and I think you dont know anatomy till you do fresh living, organs and tissues are different in looks size and texture in living. (I did 2 years surgery tech, 17 as an RN) I think cadavers are nice but not nessary and so do some US medschools too now, they are going to stop having cadavers at some schools so I hear.

I think you need cadavers, you just don't need 50 of them. You can preserve 5 to 6 of them and use them to teach the appropriate anatomy.

Six people cutting on one cadaver is counterproductive. Most of them don't know what they are doing and many times cut through some important tissue like nerves and arteries that they must learn.

If you have a pro cut prepare the few cadavers, then you will spend less time in the lab and learn more. things will be clearly pointed out and outlined.
Another thing that helps is animated programs that isolate certain anatomy, you can use these programs with the prepared cadavers and the learning curve improves.

jackbnimble · Oct 21, 2006

McGillGrad said:
It amuses me to hear this line of reasoning by supposedly intelligent people. Why on earth would information regarding Caribbean medical schools be restricted to those who attend them (except, of course, information that pertains to personal experiences, thereof)?

on that we agree. i guess he/she reasons one has to have had cancer to become an oncologist.

---the plural of anecdote is not data.

jackb

suscsicisi2000 · Oct 21, 2006

Mcgill, I dont question you, I think you are just really annoying. You talk down to everyone and you claim to know everything. Maybe in reply you could list where you are studying, your goals, and your background. Just to head this one off... no I wont do a search. If you can tell me why everyone should listen to your "hyperbole," then great. If not you should make your time more productive, you seem to be on here a lot spewing a ton of garbage. Are there not any book clubs, dance clubs, anything that would be more interesting?

McGillGrad · Oct 21, 2006

suscsicisi2000 said:
Mcgill, I dont question you, I think you are just really annoying.

Why do people always have to resort to insults? It is the lowest common denominator of language and it says more about the insulter than the insulted.

It seems that you are latching onto this thread without any background of me or what I have posted over the years, so how is it that you presume to judge the situation when you are ignorant of most of the facts?

McGillGrad · Oct 21, 2006

erichaj said:
As an IMG I feel I can comment on this.

However, If you have never attended one of these school you don't REALLY know what they are like. Its kind of like reading all about driving a porsche and being able to explain it on paper, but if you have never driven one, you can't really explain the feeling of it. So, since you did say "except information about personal experiences" I would have to agree with what you have said.

That is why I included that last sentence. I do not comment on island life or experiences in class or with the admin because I have no idea. I may say that "I have read on the boards that..." but that is as far as it goes.

As long as you stick to the FACTS, then you will be OK. The minute you start school there, you will be able to comment on the bull s**t that goes on there.

I have spent a 2 years researching the schools and all I know about are the sterile facts that the schools, or the school's reps, have been giving us. I may add my opinion about why I would choose one over the other but opinion is not the same as misinformation. That is where some people get upset. I do not agree with their opinion and they call it misinformation.

McGillGrad · Oct 21, 2006

jackbnimble said:
on that we agree. i guess he/she reasons one has to have had cancer to become an oncologist.

---the plural of anecdote is not data.

jackb

Good metaphor.👍

SabaMed · Oct 22, 2006

suscsicisi2000 said:
Mcgill, I dont question you, I think you are just really annoying. You talk down to everyone and you claim to know everything. Maybe in reply you could list where you are studying, your goals, and your background. Just to head this one off... no I wont do a search. If you can tell me why everyone should listen to your "hyperbole," then great. If not you should make your time more productive, you seem to be on here a lot spewing a ton of garbage. Are there not any book clubs, dance clubs, anything that would be more interesting?

I agree more than half his posts are literally "garbage"

McGillGrad · Oct 22, 2006

SabaMed said:
I agree more than half his posts are literally "garbage"

I love the avatar!!

:laugh:

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