*** Official NYCOM Class of 2010 *** pt. 2

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Also having trouble with movies site and noodle. 🙁 Was planning on streaming stuff today.
 
To everyone, especially my fellow streamers, I suggest everyone stick around after DPR on thursday & attend the class meeting @ 12pm. If you read thru the e-board meeting notes that were emailed to us this week, you'll notice the school has created a committee to look into what to do about streaming. They have found a correlation that the highest board scores in the class are from streamers, but also the lowest board scores as well. The people that attend class generally score in the middle. They have not said anything about what they are going to do, only that they have created a committee to look into it. To my fellow streamers out there who do not want this method taken away, now is the time to voice our opinion and let them know we want streaming to remain.
 
PlasticMan said:
To everyone, especially my fellow streamers, I suggest everyone stick around after DPR on thursday & attend the class meeting @ 12pm. If you read thru the e-board meeting notes that were emailed to us this week, you'll notice the school has created a committee to look into what to do about streaming. They have found a correlation that the highest board scores in the class are from streamers, but also the lowest board scores as well. The people that attend class generally score in the middle. They have not said anything about what they are going to do, only that they have created a committee to look into it. To my fellow streamers out there who do not want this method taken away, now is the time to voice our opinion and let them know we want streaming to remain.
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Bump. Is anyone coming tomorrow? 🙂
 
JasonUD said:
I was two spots in line away from the last peice of pizza. Almost had it.
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Originally the meeting was scheduled for the Mollie auditorium, so the pizza was delivered there. Once the pizza was delivered there, the 2nd years started wolfing it down, although they were told it's really for our class meeting. We may have had just enough if they hadn't finished off the couple of pies they did.
 
Do you think they will get rid of the streaming? Or modify it in a way to encourage students to attend?
If NYCOM didn't have streaming would it affect your education dramatically?
 
docem said:
Do you think they will get rid of the streaming? Or modify it in a way to encourage students to attend?
If NYCOM didn't have streaming would it affect your education dramatically?
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It is ultimately up to the school as far as I know. The only way to enforce students to attend is by having pop quizzes included in the curriculum since they probably don't have a decent system for taking attendance for every lecture. Do I trust the clicker when I have it? I think streaming videos was one of the key elements to seperate itself from other schools in the NE.

There are some recent technology changes i won't get into but NYCOM is about technology AND they need to either embrace it or or reject it.

would it affect your education dramatically?
yes.
 
Here's what I say: If most of the class is choosing not to attend, but rather stream. What does that say? As a whole, we prefer it. What is wrong with that? Many of us stream the lectures at double speed and use the extra time to spend memorizing or reading more in depth in books. More efficient = better educated = better doctors. One of the complaints is "NYCOM becoming a web based school." If that is more efficient and better, WHY NOT? Just b/c the other schools aren't doing it doesn't make them better. NYCOM needs to keep embracing this technology (as they have been so far) and lead the way foward. Even with the streaming, all of us still have to go to school for required labs, etc. so we're still at school quite often.

I love streaming and not going to class. So far, I am very happy with my education. I feel like I have learned more in the last 5 months than all the years of undergrad. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I highly doubt they would take away the streaming from us; it is an invaluable tool. I really think they are just trying to look into the kids that are streaming and failing.
 
I started off as a lecture goer but I'm finding streaming much easier to study with. It really allows me more time to learn the material at my own pace. (Granted I'll be going to class the week before the exam only because lectures aren't posted till night.)

Wouldn't a simple solution to NYCOM's streaming problem be that you don't have to stream as long as you're passing. The minute you fail a test you should be required to attend 90% of the next thread's lectures. This would mean signing a form in the back of the room at the beginning of every lecture but it would only apply to students who failed a previous test. This way if streaming is working you should be allowed to continue streaming but if it's not working than nycom should be allowed to make kids go to class.

One problem with clicker quizzes is what happens if someone leaves the class to go to the bathroom or something. I mean, even in mandatory labs students are allowed to go to the bathroom. The logistics behind it would be crazy. They really should just keep things the way it is.
 
anyone get a chance to download Dr Segan's PDF from the Stroke, Seizures, Headache, Sleep Disorder lecture? He mentioned it is on his website but the files were removed and they are not on Noodle. Thanks!
 
HunterGatherer said:
anyone get a chance to download Dr Segan's PDF from the Stroke, Seizures, Headache, Sleep Disorder lecture? He mentioned it is on his website but the files were removed and they are not on Noodle. Thanks!
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The PDF's are on his website, u have to click on core curriculum and their there.
 
PlasticMan said:
To everyone, especially my fellow streamers, I suggest everyone stick around after DPR on thursday & attend the class meeting @ 12pm. If you read thru the e-board meeting notes that were emailed to us this week, you'll notice the school has created a committee to look into what to do about streaming. They have found a correlation that the highest board scores in the class are from streamers, but also the lowest board scores as well. The people that attend class generally score in the middle. They have not said anything about what they are going to do, only that they have created a committee to look into it. To my fellow streamers out there who do not want this method taken away, now is the time to voice our opinion and let them know we want streaming to remain.
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They are out of their minds with this committee idea. Streaming is not a problem (or solution!) It's a neutral medium. My approach isn't pro-streaming, it's anti-class. I don't attend class, but I don't stream. I've found better things to do with my time than listen to someone read a powerpoint -- whether its live or a streamed video recording.

They should investigate WHAT'S being streamed (ie, taught), rather than who's doing the streaming. But that's the irony, for that to happen the "committee" would have to investigate ITSELF. FYI, streaming is so ubiquitous now that many major medical centers (hopkins, harvard) have streamed lectures (from grand rounds, etc) by physicians, residents, and post-graduate fellows that are publically available and tons more educational/entertaining.

So I'm curious... someone spill the beans on what was said in the meeting.
 
Book Recommendation:

Neuroanatomy Through Clinical Cases

By Hal Blumenfeld MD PHD

I wish someone at NYCOM had seen this book. It should have been a required text. The author actually makes all of this stuff readable and at the end of each chapter he goes in depth through various clinical cases that help solidify everything. He also gives a ton of mnemonics to help memorize stuff. Not only does this book help memorize neuroanatomy, it teaches the science behind it and is probably the best preparation we can get for the boards since it's all clinically based.

It may be too late for this test but I definitely recommend picking up a copy before exam 3 and for boards studying. At the very least, read it from front to cover over the summer.
 
I agree this is a solid book. Wish this one of the texts for our course. Maybe it is too clinical and board relevant for NYCOM's taste.

ISBN-10: 0878930604

gobiggreen said:
Book Recommendation:

Neuroanatomy Through Clinical Cases

By Hal Blumenfeld MD PHD

I wish someone at NYCOM had seen this book. It should have been a required text. The author actually makes all of this stuff readable and at the end of each chapter he goes in depth through various clinical cases that help solidify everything. He also gives a ton of mnemonics to help memorize stuff. Not only does this book help memorize neuroanatomy, it teaches the science behind it and is probably the best preparation we can get for the boards since it's all clinically based.

It may be too late for this test but I definitely recommend picking up a copy before exam 3 and for boards studying. At the very least, read it from front to cover over the summer.
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gobiggreen said:
Book Recommendation:

Neuroanatomy Through Clinical Cases

By Hal Blumenfeld MD PHD


GREAT BOOK.

Two reasons that it is not the required text are volume and the multi-disciplinary nature.
It is true that we now have an integrated cirriculum, but only so much can be digested at a give time.

Incidentally, some lecutres have pulled slides from the textbook.
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Was anyone aware that we were going to have a pharm lecture at 11 today?? It really pisses me off that we were never told and still now, 6 hours later, there's been no email notification to tell us to be sure to stream. I even checked noodle this morning to be sure that it was just the optional review so I wouldn't miss any class if I didn't go and it wasn't posted until after the lecture had taken place.
 
JasonUD said:
Was anyone aware that we were going to have a pharm lecture at 11 today?? It really pisses me off that we were never told and still now, 6 hours later, there's been no email notification to tell us to be sure to stream. I even checked noodle this morning to be sure that it was just the optional review so I wouldn't miss any class if I didn't go and it wasn't posted until after the lecture had taken place.
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ROTFL! You're joking, right? I haven't checked noodle today, but I never saw anything else besides the ICC review. I wonder if anyone showed. :laugh:
 
I went to the ICC review, glad I have the test next week with such good notice.

Pharm lecture? You've gotta be kidding, great communication as usual :laugh:

Oh and btw the gym is opening! However, the hours stink since someone has to chaperone you working out...
 
Heard you guys had some crazy fun after the bodies exhibit... jealous 🙁
 
Anyone (including me) who thought they were moving the gym to make it bigger and better, looks like we were wrong. They've made it smaller and worse. There is NO mat area, so stretching and rolling are out. Looks like they moved it to use the bigger space they had for offices. 🙄

Now that we can't use those mats, I'm going to begin visiting MMA places in the area - Ray Longo's, Panza's and Serra's place to name a few. If anyone is interested in joining a place with me and/or trying to get a NYCOM group discount, PM me.
 
PlasticMan said:
Anyone (including me) who thought they were moving the gym to make it bigger and better, looks like we were wrong. They've made it smaller and worse. There is NO mat area, so stretching and rolling are out. Looks like they moved it to use the bigger space they had for offices. 🙄
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what's up with the ping pong table in the hallway?
:laugh:
 
I was sick yesterday and couldn't attend the class meeting. As the meeting notes have not been emailed out yet, could anyone fill me in? I was told by a friend that they ARE going to change streaming - either taking it away during day time hours or making you swipe your card upon entering class in order to be given access to the videos?! Also, what is going on with retakes? Are they gone too? Someone please give me the details! I love how they keep changing the curriculum right in the middle of our year! 👍
 
PlasticMan said:
I was sick yesterday and couldn't attend the class meeting. As the meeting notes have not been emailed out yet, could anyone fill me in? I was told by a friend that they ARE going to change streaming - either taking it away during day time hours or making you swipe your card upon entering class in order to be given access to the videos?! Also, what is going on with retakes? Are they gone too? Someone please give me the details! I love how they keep changing the curriculum right in the middle of our year! 👍
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The notes from the meeting are actually posted on the webboard on their site.
 
JasonUD said:
The notes from the meeting are actually posted on the webboard on their site.
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Please refresh my memory how to access. I haven't used in a long time...
 
The webboard info was posted before the meeting and Dr. Scandalis basically rehashed what was mentioned in it.

Retakes are DEFINITELY gone for EVERYONE starting Fall 2007. They want to increase the number of exams for each Thread so there is no longer just one exam for some threads.

Streaming will DEFINITELY change although not 100% sure. Possibilities:
-streaming given only to those that attend lectures.
-streaming only in the last week or two before exams (loud protest from class on this one)
-streaming locked during class time.
-mandatory attendance with everyone swiping. not sure if this was just merely an example of what other schools do or a possibilty for us.

Changes of streaming/attendance may take affect as early as the last 2 months of this school year so we may transition into the system easier. Otherwise it will start in Fall of 2007.
 
I sent you a PM on how to get in.

Click on "+" symbol next to "class of 2009" that is where this week's meeting was mistakenly placed.

read the other minutes for class of 2010. there are some minutes there with interesting info (we did not receive via email) such as Board scores, COMLEX, anatomy lab, etc.


PlasticMan said:
Please refresh my memory how to access. I haven't used in a long time...
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HunterGatherer said:
I sent you a PM on how to get in.

Click on "+" symbol next to "class of 2009" that is where this week's meeting was mistakenly placed.

read the other minutes for class of 2010. there are some minutes there with interesting info we did not receive via email.
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Thanks, HG. Wow, they really are intent at pissing us off! :laugh: If NYCOM wants to make sudden drastic changes to policies which are going to drastically change our education, why don't they do it only to incoming classes instead of in the middle of our education? Students should know what they're getting themselves into, rather than having the educational carpet pulled out from under their feet all the time. Here's a quote to rattle everyone: "students are not embracing the physicians-in-training lifestyle, by acting more like college students, holding jobs, or streaming so they can watch children instead of coming to class." What happened to those of us who stay home and stream, so 1) we can stream at double speed and use extra time for reading robbins, board review books,etc. and 2) so we don't get run down by having to be there everyday at 8am. Not to mention, maybe the streaming is the reason why many of the students chose NYCOM, especially the EPP people, who are older and have families at home they must attend to. If NYCOM doesn't want these type of people at school, they should have made the changes before the school year started, not halfway thru.

Does NYCOM have a history of not listening to their student body and making drastic changes in the middle of the year, which greatly affect what happens with our education??? If so, I finally see now why NYCOM always had a bad rap here on SDN. Normally, whenever I see someone bashing NYCOM on here, I jump in mid-thread and defend it saying how I like my education so far and feel like I'm learning alot; instead I may join in the bashing... Tis a sad day for NYCOM. Up until now, I really had no major complaints, but I really am disappointed with the latest developments 🙁
 
PlasticMan said:
Thanks, HG. Wow, they really are intent at pissing us off! :laugh: If NYCOM wants to make sudden drastic changes to policies which are going to drastically change our education, why don't they do it only to incoming classes instead of in the middle of our education? Students should know what they're getting themselves into, rather than having the educational carpet pulled out from under their feet all the time. Here's a quote to rattle everyone: "students are not embracing the physicians-in-training lifestyle, by acting more like college students, holding jobs, or streaming so they can watch children instead of coming to class." What happened to those of us who stay home and stream, so 1) we can stream at double speed and use extra time for reading robbins, board review books,etc. and 2) so we don't get run down by having to be there everyday at 8am. Not to mention, maybe the streaming is the reason why many of the students chose NYCOM, especially the EPP people, who are older and have families at home they must attend to. If NYCOM doesn't want these type of people at school, they should have made the changes before the school year started, not halfway thru.

Does NYCOM have a history of not listening to their student body and making drastic changes in the middle of the year, which greatly affect what happens with our education??? If so, I finally see now why NYCOM always had a bad rap here on SDN. Normally, whenever I see someone bashing NYCOM on here, I jump in mid-thread and defend it saying how I like my education so far and feel like I'm learning alot; instead I may join in the bashing... Tis a sad day for NYCOM. Up until now, I really had no major complaints, but I really am disappointed with the latest developments 🙁
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He said he see's there is a problem and that he cannot stand by and have nothing be done about it and let our education suffer....+pity+

MANY of us sent him emails, he told us to at the meeting when he ran out of time, one more can't hurt!! (so long as he really reads them)
 
I don't understand Scandalis he says he wants us to become more active in our learning but I feel by taking away streaming and making class mandatory that just puts more emphasis on lecture then it does actually picking up a book and learning. I think a lot of it has to with studying rather than attending lecture, b/c I study alot and don't attend lecture and I haven't come close to failing yet.

I understand his reasoning behind the retest but I don't see his evidence for why streaming should be taken away. Also wasn't the system based appraoch started last yr, he hasn't even seen how this approach effects board scores but he's ready to change things. But I too have begun to understand why some people say NYCOM isn't a good school, maybe b/c its getting close to test time and I'm just mad at the world but I think the adminstration and our lectures need a lot of work.
 
Perhaps without so many students failing every exam there'd be less reason for admins to make desperate changes. Had to be said and you know it.

Forget streaming, it's growing so fast now that you can stream other school's lectures. Apply pressure to keep attendance voluntary.
 
beastmaster said:
Perhaps without so many students failing every exam there'd be less reason for admins to make desperate changes. Had to be said and you know it.

Forget streaming, it's growing so fast now that you can stream other school's lectures. Apply pressure to keep attendance voluntary.
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I mean thats true a lot of people fail, but if you take out retest then those kids will fail out of school and if they fail out they won't be able to take the boards which means theres a greater chance of the average rising. I could see just taking out the retest working, but man the streaming is too much.
 
lilzelda said:
I mean thats true a lot of people fail, but if you take out retest then those kids will fail out of school and if they fail out they won't be able to take the boards which means theres a greater chance of the average rising. I could see just taking out the retest working, but man the streaming is too much.
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And also look at the differences between our exams and last years!! 2009's tests were CAKE compared to ours!! They want to know why so many of us are borderline passing...look at our exams...they do not test what we know, they're a random sampling of facts and most questions are not clinically based.
 
JasonUD said:
And also look at the differences between our exams and last years!! 2009's tests were CAKE compared to ours!! They want to know why so many of us are borderline passing...look at our exams...they do not test what we know, they're a random sampling of facts and most questions are not clinically based.
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Don't get stressed out. That is not neccessarily an indicator of how well you'll do on step 1. Many of us spend time reading other books such as 1st aid, robbins, step-up, etc. in order to prepare for the boards, rather than spending 100% of our time memorizing powerpoints (especially some of the random facts from clinical professors that you may need to know during residency or wards, but never for step 1). Therefore, although not honoring, we are exposing ourselves to a wider range of information that may be tested on the national boards although not neccessarily tested on our exams. For example, one of the fellows told us he was always borderline passing on all the exams, but scored I think 96% or 98% on COMLEX step 1 b/c he focused on reading other books. 👍
 
You just need your ID to swipe in, thats it
 
HunterGatherer said:
what are anatomy lab hours on sat/sun? besides having my ID is there anything I need to know to get in the building? Thanks!
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24 hour access. Go at night alone....but beware!!! Muuuhuuuawahaha.
 
Soooo... how is this gonna affect DPC kids? 😳 I'm guessing it wasn't mentioned.. some of us like to stream lectures that are relevant to our cases. It'll be interesting how our exam schedule will be affected.
 
hey guys. i swear i did a search, and i did talk to the financial aid lady at NYCOM, but approx. what are you guys actually left with for living expenses after tuition, books, health ins, etc.??

i'm going over all my living options, and trying to see what i'll realistically have a month to put towards rent or a mortage if i get in!

thanks 🙂 sasha
 
supersash said:
hey guys. i swear i did a search, and i did talk to the financial aid lady at NYCOM, but approx. what are you guys actually left with for living expenses after tuition, books, health ins, etc.??

i'm going over all my living options, and trying to see what i'll realistically have a month to put towards rent or a mortage if i get in!

thanks 🙂 sasha
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I wanna say ~$23k ?
 
Figured I'd add my 2 cents about the retake policy... I agree with Scandalis in part...its ridiculous to have students taking exams 3 and 4 times (including summers), or using the retake for every single exam... However, I don't think complete elimination is the answer... I'd like to suggest a 1 retake per student, per year policy.. this way, exceptions are made for students who generally do well, but may have had the flu, family issue they had to attend to, or just a bad day...plus, the administration wouldn't have to "police" which excuses are valid and which aren't...everyone gets ONE second chance..

including written and practicals, we take about 20 exams per year.... failing 10 of those is not acceptable... failing 1 is human...

next year, if we have to remediate a whole course in may because of one failure, our board scores may be detrimentally effected... thats certainly not in the best interest of nycom..
 
christinejane19 said:
Figured I'd add my 2 cents about the retake policy... I agree with Scandalis in part...its ridiculous to have students taking exams 3 and 4 times (including summers), or using the retake for every single exam... However, I don't think complete elimination is the answer... I'd like to suggest a 1 retake per student, per year policy.. this way, exceptions are made for students who generally do well, but may have had the flu, family issue they had to attend to, or just a bad day...plus, the administration wouldn't have to "police" which excuses are valid and which aren't...everyone gets ONE second chance..

including written and practicals, we take about 20 exams per year.... failing 10 of those is not acceptable... failing 1 is human...

next year, if we have to remediate a whole course in may because of one failure, our board scores may be detrimentally effected... thats certainly not in the best interest of nycom..
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. If I'm really sick and can't concentrate for a test next year, I'm gonna have to remediate the course in the summer when I'm supposed to be studying for Step 1 ? 😱
 
If I Fail Omm And Have To Retake A Course I'll Freaken Flip.....
 
Well if you fail OMM you have to retake anatomy which doesn't make any sense either :laugh:

From what I understand we will have multiple tests per system and they are averaged together. So failing 1 does not mean you fail the course.
So it won't be the same as the way our neuro system is.
 
Dave C said:
Well if you fail OMM you have to retake anatomy which doesn't make any sense either :laugh:

From what I understand we will have multiple tests per system and they are averaged together. So failing 1 does not mean you fail the course.
So it won't be the same as the way our neuro system is.
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So do we have multiple practicals during the system too? I don't get how they're handling practicals
 
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