Fellowships (the Facts Only Please)

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This is a new thread as the one prior to this degenerated. I wanted to gather info about the interventional programs out there. On the following link you will find a semi-recent list of the interventional spine fellowships out there. Just wanted to get feedback on te strengths, weaknesses, particular focuses, and which might be better at certain aspects.

http://www.painrounds.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=33

I am especially interested in hearing about RIC, HSS, and emory's programs...

Thanks...🙂
 
This list on pain rounds is quite dated:

RIC has two fellowships: one is pain (acgme accredited) the other sports & spine.

Gerard Malanga fellowship is not affiliated with UMDNJ or Kessler.

Brian Krabak left Hopkins, have not heard if the institution continuing the fellowship.

If you are focused on ACGME accredited programs:

http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/
click list of programs by specialty
then look under anesthiology and physical medicine and rehabilitation.

For physiatry programs in general. PASSOR generates a yearly decriptive list.
 
This is a new thread as the one prior to this degenerated. I wanted to gather info about the interventional programs out there. On the following link you will find a semi-recent list of the interventional spine fellowships out there. Just wanted to get feedback on te strengths, weaknesses, particular focuses, and which might be better at certain aspects.

http://www.painrounds.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=33

I am especially interested in hearing about RIC, HSS, and emory's programs...

Thanks...🙂

RIC has two fellowships like njdevil said. One is ACGME pain w Dr. Stanos - in conjunction w Northwestern Anesthesia. The fellow will spend time w anesthesia doing inpt pain, procedures, and getting the anesthesia related requirements for ACGME during the time w Anesthesia (i.e. blind epidurals, intubations, etc.)

The other fellowship is through SSRC w Dr. Plastaras as the fellowship director. The number of fellows RIC takes varies year to year depending on the other fellowships at RIC (spinal cord, brain injury/stroke, peds, etc.) The fellowship directors meet and decide who will take how many each year depending on quality of applicants. Next year, SSRC will have two fellows. The SSRC fellowship is more MSK/sports focused w interventional exposure to primarily spine procedures. Fellows have exposure to MSK ultrasound, sports events, and EMG if they want. They also help teach our anatomy and sports and spine course.

Both fellowships are excellent and will prepare you for whatever career you want. The SSRC fellowship in particular is great for ppl with academic interests - they have graduated many fellowship directors and other prominent academic phyisatrists.
 
RIC has two fellowships like njdevil said. One is ACGME pain w Dr. Stanos - in conjunction w Northwestern Anesthesia. The fellow will spend time w anesthesia doing inpt pain, procedures, and getting the anesthesia related requirements for ACGME during the time w Anesthesia (i.e. blind epidurals, intubations, etc.)

The other fellowship is through SSRC w Dr. Plastaras as the fellowship director. The number of fellows RIC takes varies year to year depending on the other fellowships at RIC (spinal cord, brain injury/stroke, peds, etc.) The fellowship directors meet and decide who will take how many each year depending on quality of applicants. Next year, SSRC will have two fellows. The SSRC fellowship is more MSK/sports focused w interventional exposure to primarily spine procedures. Fellows have exposure to MSK ultrasound, sports events, and EMG if they want. They also help teach our anatomy and sports and spine course.

Both fellowships are excellent and will prepare you for whatever career you want. The SSRC fellowship in particular is great for ppl with academic interests - they have graduated many fellowship directors and other prominent academic phyisatrists.

Hey Axm; is it also true that SSRC fellows staff the multidisc. pain program? I heard that through the grapevine. I think it's moot anyways, I don't think I fit the bill re; "academic interests" :laugh:
 
Hey Axm; is it also true that SSRC fellows staff the multidisc. pain program? I heard that through the grapevine. I think it's moot anyways, I don't think I fit the bill re; "academic interests" :laugh:

no, I don't think that SSRC fellows staff the multidisc pain program. As far as I saw this year, only the pain fellow staffed the multidisc pain program. The two programs are in the same building right now but on separate floors. The pain program has its own therapists, psychologists, social workers, voc rehab, nurses, and physicians.

rehab_sports_dr can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I think Windsor's fellowship in Atlanta is the best one in the country for outpatient practice preparation. 3 offices, 3 ASC's. No peds, light on cancer, no hospitals, no ER's, no addiction medicine consults (DRusso).

I hear Lobel is an awesome attending as well. A little cocky, though.😉
 
I think Windsor's fellowship in Atlanta is the best one in the country for outpatient practice preparation. 3 offices, 3 ASC's. No peds, light on cancer, no hospitals, no ER's, no addiction medicine consults (DRusso).

I hear Lobel is an awesome attending as well. A little cocky, though.😉

Dude, I don't know what you're talking about. If it weren't for my addiction medicine rotation I wouldn't understand the fine distinction between "colon rolling" and "booty-bumping." I'm still a little iffy about the whole "Royal Flush" concept, but I think after DP's bachelor party next week that will make sense too...
 
Is Harvard's/Spaulding's fellowship a pain fellowship or a spine fellowship, I assume the pain, but curious...
 
According to KUMeds site, they are going to have an interventional spine and MS fellowship within the next year or so.

Don't know if that helps.....but there you go. 🙂

with smiles,
wifty
 
Great interview there. That should be made a "sticky" as Dr. Furman does a good job at dispelling alot of myths out there.

These points especially:

So is ACGME accreditation really important?
Training at an ACGME accredited fellowship implies that your PROGRAM meets a given set of standards. The misinformation out there is that if you don't get trained at an ACGME-accredited program, you can't do procedures, and that is not accurate. Individual hospital credentialing committees are the ones who determine whether or not you can perform procedures. A lot of these committee members don't care about ACGME accreditation. They just want to know that you are well trained.

Another concern some residents have voiced is whether ACGME accreditation matters in a malpractice type situation.
First of all, you hopefully won't have a bad outcome, because in a fellowship, you'll get a lot of experience and learn how to avoid the common pitfalls. I think as long as you have the experience to do a procedure, and you trained in a fellowship, the accreditation status of the fellowship doesn't really matter. Where you will get in trouble is if you don't do a fellowship or you just go to a weekend course, and the first patient you perform a procedure on has a bad outcome.

There seems to be a lot of emotion and confusion among residents about this topic. Not many residents seem to know all the factors you talked about.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of Web-based forums that put out too many opinions of a few very prolific individuals that may or may not be right. There are things on those forums that are totally based on hearsay. Examples include unsubstantiated listings of the "best" residencies or fellowships. When I'm asked about fellowships, I only know about the one I personally went to and the one I run. You really need to speak to the current and past fellows who trained there and more importantly make sure that they are trained to do what they (or you) want to do. I know people who had to do more than one fellowship, because after their initial fellowship, they realized that they weren't trained to do what they wanted to do.

There's a perception among some of the residents that the leaders of the specialty of PM&R has "missed the boat" on this whole ACGME pain issue and that the leaders are really not in touch with our needs. How do you feel about that?
The subject of ACGME pain fellowships becoming multidisciplinary was discussed at the recent Residency Review Committee (RRC) meeting. The four RRCs (Anesthesiology, PM&R, Neurology, Psychiatry) made the changes in the subspecialty training requirement with the Anesthesia RRC being the driving force. Although this was an ACGME activity, the three boards (ABPMR, ABA, and ABPN) were informed and agreed. I acknowledge that I, personally, was disappointed by the recent move that may potentially make it harder for physiatrists to get pain training. But I would suggest that everyone go out and get the best training they can so they can provide the patients with outstanding care, whatever care the people reading this article want to provide.

Your Academy's Board consists of many individuals who are much younger and "in touch" than people perceive. There are also many members of our board who at one point were PASSOR Board members. What we are struggling with right now is actually the perception by some Academy members that we are moving too quickly towards more emphasis on musculoskeletal care. We want to represent all Academy members. We're trying to be a quality organization for all physiatrists and their patients with disabling conditions, and those disabling conditions can be acute, subacute, and/or chronic, musculoskeletal, or neurorehabilitation. We are trying to be proactive and not reactive.




The internal strife within Physiatry.

Looks like Dr. Furman is on board.

Not unexpected considering he's a "spine/MSK" guy.
 
Excellent article... It really covers a solid amt. of the underlying themes that I have seen on this forum and heard from residents over the past couple years
 
Here's a novel idea,

What if the standard PM&R residency curriculum consisted of 4-6 months EMG training, 6-8 months procedural training, 12 months (spine/sports/MSK/O&P clinics/ultrasound/elective), 3 months TBI, 3 months SCI, 2-4 months general inpt rehab and associated clinics, 2 months Peds.

Those who wanted to do academic SCI, TBI or Peds could do fellowships.

Physiatrists would no longer work as "hospitalists" for multiple inpt units. Instead, a Physiatrist would take a job as medical director and superivise a team of PAs,NPs, etc. Graduating residents interested in this line of work would do an administrative/clinical inpatient rehab fellowship for 12 months. Overall, inpatient units would save money on payroll. One problem, how long before the midlevels would want to practice independently of the Physiatrist.

With healthcare reform, I see this as being the model of the future.

Of course, to make it feasible for academic PM&R departments, the appropriate midlevels would have to be hired/trained and the financial focus would have to shift to building succesful/voluminous spine/MSK components to the department, within the politcal environment of university hospitals. So, yes, it would absolutely take a strong commitment from the academic chairs and PDs.

Comments?
 
1) Residents are cheaper than mid-levels, so why hire mid-levels?
2) Residents are not considered employees so are not subject to the same kind of protections and termination procedures as are mid-levels, so why bother with mid-levels when you can get 80 hours per week from a resident and have great latitude for terminating with or without cause?
3) The vision, discipline, and will for what you propose simply does not exist in the ranks of physiatric training programs.

...other than that it sounds like a great idea!
 
I guess I'm speaking from the idealistic view point that if anybody actually cares about seeing the specialty grow/prosper, it would be the academicians.

True, residents are cheaper than mid-levels. The proposed model would make more sense financially to some of the large rehab corporations I've seen that hire alot of new grads and run them around to multiple inpt units, sub-acutes and community hospitals doing consults and writing notes all day.

The way it could become financially feasible for a university program would be to keep the same volume or grow the inpt unit where midlevels oversee things like daily notes, discharge papers, fielding calls from nurses, calling consults, etc. The residents could do admits, consults and run team conferences. When they're not doing that they could be generating revenue with EMGs, epidurals, seeing new clinic patients, etc. The PD, chairman and other faculty could be on hand to supervise, teach and could spend the rest of their time on budgets, research, etc.

Of course, this would require creation of a strong MSK/Spine/EMG presence at each program, possibly risking offending other deparments in the university center.

Alas, as you stated, the vision, discipline and will do not exist in our training programs. It did take 10-15 years for things to progress to where they currently are. So, perhaps by 2017-2022 when universal healthcare is in full swing. Personally, I would be willing to help out someday as a PD or asst PD at a program for half the typical stipend were I given the leeway to do things as I saw fit.


Pipe dreams?

We'll see👍
 
I am in just in the infancy of my administrative phase of life, so I am mostly conjecturing ...

Disciple, I think the plan you have in place would perhaps be more appealing for many residents.

I think there are a couple of logistic barriers:
1. Resistance within the ABPM&R and other accrediting agencies. I think these fights are winnable and worth pursuing
2. Funding of resident positions. This, as far as I can tell, is the far more challenging battle.

Internal medicine has faced very similar struggles, as have many other specialties. There is a clear inpatient bias in all aspects of GME, and as best I can tell this is driven by the need to fund the training positions. Heme/Onc fellows would love to spend more of their time in the outpatient office rather than covering complications on the wards, but they still have to fund their positions. Same thing with cardiology, etc.

Do you have any creative solutions to help cover the costs of the residents? I would love to create a more outpatient focused resident training experience in the future, but I am not sure how you best fund it.
 
I don't think it's a matter of "funding the positions." Hospitals receive approximately $120K per resident in accredited ACGME or AOA training programs. They turn around around pay house-staff about $40K. The remainder is used to pay the "indirect costs" of resident medical education. Right...

I think its a matter of service economics. Again, why pay a mid-level to do something that a resident who can be more tightly controlled can do cheaper?

As for "creative solutions," maybe physiatry has something to learn from dermatology--a similarly sized specialty with a similar number of residency training programs--about creatively financing graduate medical education. Perhaps, private dollars could be used to "buy out" resident FTE's on inpatient services or fund electives that university programs don't have the money or resources to develop and support. Allergan, are you listening?? 😉


Virtual Mentor. 2006; 8:509-511.

Pharmaceutical support of dermatology residency electives: slippery slope or synergy?

by Alfred T. Lane, MD

The mission of the Department of Dermatology at Stanford University is "sustained leadership in scientific investigation, patient care, and in training future leaders of our specialty in an environment that fosters creativity and synergy." To fulfill this mission we have always tried to offer our residents an opportunity for at least one month-long elective to stimulate their interest in a new area of investigation. We expect that funding from hospitals for clinical dermatology training will eventually be earmarked for residents' clinical activity only, a circumstance that could destroy our elective training opportunities.

One of our creative residents developed a well-organized and supervised elective at Connetics Corporation, Palo Alto, Calif., a local pharmaceutical company that specializes in producing drugs for skin diseases. His elective focused on product development and organization of clinical dermatological trials in an industry environment. The resident described the experience as outstanding, saying that it gave him broad exposure to clinical trial design and implementation. The pharmaceutical company indicated that having an enthusiastic dermatology resident on site greatly improved their employees' motivation and helped them to connect with the patient-focused side of drug development.

As a result of that elective experience we began discussions with Connetics requesting that they fund one resident position so that we could always afford to offer a resident elective. From the very beginning, both the Department of Dermatology and Connetics clearly understood that no resident would be required to spend the Connetics-funded elective time at the company.

The dermatology department vigilantly maintained the integrity of its actions throughout the entire process. The independence and control of the Stanford Residency Program was maintained. At the time of the initial discussions the dean of the school of medicine was a founder and active member on the company's board of directors. For that reason, although he was informed of the dermatology department's plans to examine the possibilities of an industry-funded elective, the dean was neither consulted nor asked to give an opinion on the arrangements.

Principles of residency funding

From the department's point of view, this was an opportunity to develop a totally new type of educational program. The guiding principle was that the funding be given as a gift with no controls attached. It was designed to cover the full salary and benefits of one resident position for three years. Matching and selection would be done by the program according to the method we already had in place. Although the funding would allow our program to accept one more resident, no position would be specifically designated as the industry-funded one, and the industry donor would have no involvement in the selection process. The elective position would operate like other training at our institution, with 11 months of work each year and one month for vacation and academic meeting time.

The elective month was to be offered equally to all of the residents in the dermatology program. During the elective month the resident could undertake any research project approved by a faculty mentor and our residency program director. The project could be associated with the gift-giving pharmaceutical company, any other pharmaceutical company or another academic institution. The goals and objectives for the elective at the pharmaceutical company were structured to produce a deeper appreciation and understanding of the drug development and approval process. The educational goals and objectives were approved by the Stanford residency program director.

As chair of the Department of Dermatology and residency program director at the time, I took full authority and responsibility for developing this program. I had no consulting, contracting or other financial relationship with Connetics at that time or subsequently. The program was approved by the Stanford Graduate Medical Education Review Committee and Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education. In September 2001 Connetics sent a letter committing support for one dermatology resident position from July 1, 2003 through June 30, 2006. An initiating gift of $100,000 was received before December 31, 2001, and the new position was assigned during winter term 2002. Subsequently additional unrestricted gifts were given and a new agreement promised to continue the program through June 30, 2009.

Since the start of the new elective, residents have spent 33 months in the program: fourteen one-month electives were spent at the pharmaceutical company; five one-month electives were spent at an academic medical center other than Stanford and the remaining 14 months were taken at Stanford-affiliated facilities.

Twice a year, staff members from Connetics attend resident educational conferences. During one of the conferences early in the academic year, these company representatives present the goals and objectives of the educational elective program to our residents. At the end of the year the pharmaceutical company's staff dermatologists are invited to a conference at which all residents present a review of their elective activities for the year. All participating residents are supervised by a board-certified dermatologist. In July 2005, one dermatology graduate resident was hired as a full-time senior medical director of the pharmaceutical company, after having been pursued by many other pharmaceutical companies. Each resident who participates in the pharmaceutical company elective signs a waiver which protects the intellectual property of the pharmaceutical company.

Results of the industry gift program

We believe that the industry gift has enabled a much-desired elective program to become a reality. The residents who have taken the pharmaceutical elective praise it as a unique learning opportunity. Residents who have used their elective to explore other areas believe that the small periods of specialized focus motivates them toward academic careers. Five of our six graduating dermatology residents this year will continue in full-time academic pursuits while the sixth will take a part-time academic position.

We have completed the first three years of funding, and to date we have not found that our residents or faculty are indebted either "in subtle or in very direct ways" [1]. The positive experiences that our residents have reported during the pharmaceutical company-sponsored elective definitely directed them to greater academic pursuits and better understanding of dermatological drug development. We are aware of the risks of this type of an experience, but have not seen that our residents are "conditioned … to prescribe that company's products preferentially" [1] since we focus on the use of generics in our residency program. This innovative program offers our residents supervised experiences in the pharmaceutical industry as well as in other areas of academic dermatology.

As a result of the successful funding of this program and a recognized need for additional dermatologists, the American Academy of Dermatology has used pharmaceutical donations and other funds to support 10 residency positions throughout the United States. The 10 positions were selected with a goal of generating additional dermatologist positions in programs that have a potential to develop physicians who would practice in underserved areas.

Reference
1. Kuehn BM. Pharmaceutical industry funding for residencies sparks controversy. JAMA. 2005;293:1580.
 
We actually have quite a few "endowed" residency positions (i.e. Medicare only funds a certain number and these "named" resident positions pay for the rest of the positions-I forget the exact number but I think it's 2 positions per year = 6) and "endowed" or "funded" fellowship positions from private donations at RIC.
 
Guess who's paying for 6 fellows next year with no state or federal assistance?

A fellow can be had for under $75k with salary, benefits, and med-mal.
If they see a minimum number of patients and each only do 4 procedures a day they more than pay for themselves in income for a private practice.

Back before docs drove big Mercedes there was a certain romance in medicine, where the doctor cared for the patient above all else, and the student would spend hours seeing patients and staying up all night to read about the next days cases. Conversations surrounding the advent of RF and the history of the epidural injection would lead to a review of the literature, a few beers, and last to the wee hours.

Fellows are apprentices, and they are there to do the work as secondary to do the learning. THen along comes the ACGME, EBM, politics, and money- the whole thing goes to hell. Fellows want out at 3PM, they know it all from the second month on and focus on their fiance's, shopping, their contracts, where they will live, etc- and forget about the patient thy left crying in my exam room.

Vent off.
 
As for indirect costs.....

I've been on both sides of the discussion. As a resident, I remember wondering why every residency program decried the cost of funding residents.

now that I am easing into administration, I am starting to see the other side.

What are some of the indirect costs:
- malpractice insurance. This can be especially expensive for some of the outpatient electives, since resident activity at private outpatient offices don't fall under a universities blanket policy
- administrative support staff. This is a non-trivial cost. In addition to covering the adminstrative time of the program director, there are usually 1 or more full time staff appointees that deal with ACGME compliance. There is lost productivity of the chair, program director, etc, during site visits.
- resident recruitment. This is especially expensive in a day and age of medical students judging programs based on the quality of the lunches provided 🙂 . The biggest cost of resident recruitment, which is a hidden cost, is the lost clinical revenue during interview days- figure 3 or more clinical half-days lost per medical student interviewed.
- didactic cost. Again, this is a hidden cost. Most programs have something approaching 1 to 2 clinical half days dedicated to didactics. That is time 1/2 day of clinical productivity that is lost from a revenue generating physician

As for clinical productivity of patient care .... My sense is that for most clinical practices, this is about break-even. Some attendings definitely ramp up there clinical productivity when they have a resident, but other residents definitely slow things down.

The one main exception is call, where the resident is basically doing the work of a physician extender. But then, for most physician extenders, there clearly is far less indirect cost. You don't have anywhere near as much regulatory work, didactic coverage, or recruitment costs as you do for residents. You don't have to provide malpractice insurance for physician extenders so they can do electives outside the university

I mention this just to justify that residency programs do have legitimate indirect costs, and it is not a case of residency programs all collectively colluding to cry wolf.

That said, I think that residency programs should make every effort within their limitations to provide optimal training for their residents.

As to whether that educational balance should include 200 epidural injections, well .... I think that is a matter of debate. For various reasons posted on this and other threads, I think PM+R has to be careful not just to chase a hot market sector, and make sure that the educational goals reflect the long term interests of the field. Epidurals play some part in that, but I think it is perhaps overemphasized by many residents at the expense of many of the other aspects of comprehensive musculoskeletal care.
 
For the typical University PM&R department, if one exists independently, the main source of revenue is the inpatient unit, driven by volume. So, it makes sense for a resident to be used for inpatient coverage. During my residency training, other facilities paid our department a certain amount per resident to provide inpatient coverage at their facilities during off site inpatient rotations. Outpt rotations generate nothing in revenue unless they are performed within the department. So, unless the department has created a strong MSK/EMG/etc. component/volume driven clinic (few of these around), there is no revenue to be generated. Academic PM&R departments have supported a high volume approach in the inpt units, but I have not seen the same approach taken in the outpt clinic, where follow up visits may take anywhere from 30-45 minutes.

Residents performing high volume EMGs, peripheral joint/fluoroscopically guided injections and outpt new evals/consults in addition to inpt work assisted by midlevels could increase revenue tremendously. It all depends on what the departmental philosophy is. During residency, while on inpt rotations, if I called for f/u on a Neurosurg or Ortho patient, who showed up? The NP or PA. Sometimes the intern, rarely the resident and almost never the attending. The Gen Surg intern manned the Ortho floor and the Neurosurg PGY-2 covered the Neuro ICU. PGY-3s and above spent their time operating, doing consults, clinics, etc. If we called an Optho consult, the patient was generally transported up to their clinic. Derm consults, same deal.

So, creating better training experiences for PM&R residents requires a change in philosophy and a willingness to shift away from the inpt unit as the major source of revenue. First and foremost would be the recruitment of the appropriate faculty (many programs now attempting this). What it also requires is the willingness to step on the toes, if need be, of other departments who may provide the same services. Physicians tend to get along better in the private sector, but I don’t think that interdepartmental compromises within the university setting are out of the question with the appropriate diplomacy/negotiations.

In the latest issue of “The Physiatrist” there is an interesting editorial by Dr. Braddom in which he compares the 17 specialties that participate in the NRMP based upon USMLE scores and % of medical students matched with AOA membership. He makes it a point that PM&R ranks last in both categories while listing Derm with the highest AOA percentage at 49%. Dr. Braddom ends the article by stating “How about setting a goal of 50% of our residents having AOA membership by the year 2017?” Are we to take this to mean that Dr. Braddom would like PM&R to supplant Dermatology as “king of the mountain” within the next 10 years? There is no mystery as to the reasons why Dermatology ranks highly in these categories. To be PC I will not list them here. Personally, I’m more interested in seeing Physiatrists becoming the undisputed experts in musculoskeletal care, but if Dr. Braddom’s goal is to be taken seriously, it is clear what must be done. The question is, do we have the will to take action.
 
Dude, I don't know what you're talking about. If it weren't for my addiction medicine rotation I wouldn't understand the fine distinction between "colon rolling" and "booty-bumping." I'm still a little iffy about the whole "Royal Flush" concept, but I think after DP's bachelor party next week that will make sense too...

Caught you red handed. Closet Journal *****

Pain Medicine Vol8, No2, 2007. Inciardi, JA et al. Mechanisms of Prescription Drug Diversion Among Drug-Involved Club and Street Based Populations.

And you were trying to pass yourself off as having street cred.
I hope you do better at DP's bachelor party.
 
As to whether that educational balance should include 200 epidural injections, well .... I think that is a matter of debate. For various reasons posted on this and other threads, I think PM+R has to be careful not just to chase a hot market sector, and make sure that the educational goals reflect the long term interests of the field. Epidurals play some part in that, but I think it is perhaps overemphasized by many residents at the expense of many of the other aspects of comprehensive musculoskeletal care.


In the above referenced article/interview with Dr. Furman, he advocates fellowship training as a safeguard from a medicolegal standpoint. On the other hand, the PASSOR interventional procedure workshops have been established for several years now and have proven to be well structured and in high demand. Now, I know that PASSOR and other cadaver courses have disclaimers that the workshops are not a substitute for proctored training, however, it is foolish to think that many Physiatrists are not performing procedures after attending these workshops and that there are enough fellowships to accommodate everybody. As stated above, there are some negative opinions/uncertainty regarding the consistency and technical competency of “Interventional Physiatrists”. Why not provide proctored training during residency and ensure that this problem is eliminated? Even if epidurals fall out of favor, there will always be new procedures to replace it, whether it be injecting restorative biologicals into the disc or the latest method of percutaneous disc decompression. The important thing is to establish a consistency in the expected minimum technical competency amongst Physiatrists.

Neurologists generally do fellowships if they plan on making electrodiagnostics a significant portion of their practice. Physiatrists do not, yet, in general there is no prevailing attitude that Neurologists are vastly superior to Physiatrists when it comes to EMG/NCS. How would we be perceived if the majority of Physiatrists were performing EMGs with no training other than AANEM workshops? More than likely, Neurologists would look at us the same way we look at Chiropractors or even other Physicians (outside of Neurology and Physiatry) who perform or attempt to interpret EMG/NCS. Can you blame Anesthesiologists and other physicians from questioning our technical competency? The solution is simple, it just needs support and then implementation.
 
The WLA VA/UCLA PMR pain fellowship has 4 funded positions. It is fully acredited for pain. The advantage of an ACGME program is that you can sit for the anesthesia pain board recognized by the ABPMR. The program teaches most aspects of pain medicine with a true multidisaplinary approach. The fellow will learn surgical procedures (pumps and stims), all spine procedures, peds, facial pain, EMGs, Joint injections, peripheral nerve blocks, and palliative care. The program takes pride in its fellows and hope to give them the skills to be a successful PMR pain medicine physician.

Please see the website for details.

http://www.spinecenter.ucla.edu/Programs/default.asp
 
Defphiche- regarding UCLA - VA,
1. what do you see as the future for the program with the new ACGME requirements?
2. Will it continue under the guidance of PMR or is there any suggestion that this program would be combine with either anesthesia or neuro?
3. Will it continue to maintain its ACGME accreditation status?

thanks for your helpful insight...
 
The UCLA WLA VA Program for PM&R Pain Medicine is a VA based program. At UCLA there can only be one Pain program which is run by anesthesia. Since the PM&R program is based out of the VA, there is no issue with two programs in one location. The fellow will continue to spend 6 months at UCLA. The program has always been a multidisciplinary structure with Neurology, Anesthesia, PM&R, Psychology, Psychiatry, and Palliative Care; therefore, the new guideline changes will not affect the program. It will continue to be run by the PM&R service. The ACGME status is up for review in 2007 and anticipation is to have continued accreditation as the last review was in 2005. The reason for an updated review is to keep the pain program in line with the parent rehabilitation program.
 
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