Best States to be a resident in...

Mississippi, and vermont and west virginia

Louisiana and I say that with a smile.

Seriously I would have to say Louisiana and Ohio give you the best chances being from in-state.

Everywhere except California!

howdy2u said:

Everywhere except California!

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Agree

LikeClockWork said:

Denial

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I'm surprised someone from the (not so) great state of Texas hasn't chimed in yet.

VA would be a top state if the schools didn't let in so damn many OOS (I'm looking at you in particular UVA).

NC maybe????? Mostly just because of ECU and UNC

OCallag said:

I'm surprised someone from the (not so) great state of Texas hasn't chimed in yet.

VA would be a top state if the schools didn't let in so damn many OOS (I'm looking at you in particular UVA).

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Definitely Texas.

BUbot said:

Definitely Texas.

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Ohio, TX, NC, FL (though god only knows what Crist is going to do with the budget).

BUbot said:

Definitely Texas.

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O-ver-RA-ted!

I mean the state in general, not for med school. I really wish I were a Texas resident right now.

Texas.

1) 7 med schools (few states have more).
2) All med schools show in-state preference.
3) All public med schools must take 90% in-state (Baylor does 75% in-state by their choice).
4) Not all "extremely" competitive schools like California (relatively speaking).
5) Applying to all 7 schools only costs $195 ($85 if you feel A&M and Tech aren't for you)
6) Baylor & UTH have Texas Medical Center.

and the best of all?

7) Tuition is the cheapest anywhere ($10,000 per year) PLUS living expenses are cheap too!

Do I really need to go on?

Indiana University Medical School has a 45.2% acceptance rate if you are interviewed and are an Indiana Resident. To get an an interview you need a 3.2 and a 24 mcat.

Just curious, why are so many Texans down on A&M and Tech? Is there like a stigma against them or something?

Didmybest said:

Indiana University Medical School has a 45.2% acceptance rate if you are interviewed and are an Indiana Resident. To get an an interview you need a 3.2 and a 24 mcat.

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In other words...Don't get sick in Indiana! LMAO

Florida and Texas are up there. Florida will be in a dead heat with Texas in about a year or two. I think?

OCallag said:

Just curious, why are so many Texans down on A&M and Tech? Is there like a stigma against them or something?

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Aggies are dumb and Lubbock sucks.

No, I don't know why.. I guess they're just not as highly rated as some of the other TX schools, like UTH, Southwestern, and Baylor.

But Lubbock really does suck.

It has to be Texas.

armybound said:

Aggies are dumb and Lubbock sucks.

No, I don't know why.. I guess they're just not as highly rated as some of the other TX schools, like UTH, Southwestern, and Baylor.

But Lubbock really does suck.

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Oh, it all makes sense now. The same thing goes in in VA with EVMS and, from what I can tell, in TN with ETSU. If I had to guess, I think about half of UVA premeds will only apply to UVA and MCV because EVMS used to have a bad reputation (or at least that's what my uncle and his other doctor friends say). Whatever. Foolish is the person who doesn't apply to all of his state schools. Just makes it better for the rest of us. Besides, EVMS is sweet.

TheRealMD said:

3) All public med schools must take 90% in-state (Baylor does 75% in-state by their choice).

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In so far as I know, this is not by Baylor's choice. It's because Baylor receives state-funding and in return agrees to take X% in-state residents. Kind of a sketchy deal but that's how it goes. This is also why for a top 10 (PRIVATE) medical school, Baylor has cheap cheap tuition.

howdy2u said:

Everywhere except California!

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And Oregon and Washington, which both generally have lower instate acceptance rates than CA. Delaware has no state school, and their residents get very marginal preference at Jefferson, I think. Maine also has no state school, and the only thing they get is a guaranteed interview at UNECOM. Pennsylvania's not too hot either. And who knows about Rhode Island or D.C.. So, yeah, CA sucks, but it's not the worst ever.

Oklahoma and Arkansas are both good. In both states, 50-60% of instate applicants get accepted. As mentioned above, Mississippi and West Virginia both seem to have unusually good odds, too.

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But Lubbock really does suck.

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Ah, come on -- who doesn't love brown, flat, quasi-dry places?

Speaking of that, how dry is Lubbock now? I noticed they had a microbrewery, which seemed really odd.

Maryland is not too great. For the number of applicants, only two medical schools is not that good. Hopkins obviously could care less, and barring last year UMD does not have that sweet a deal.

Doctor Bagel said:

Ah, come on -- who doesn't love brown, flat, quasi-dry places?

Speaking of that, how dry is Lubbock now? I noticed they had a microbrewery, which seemed really odd.

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I'm here isnt that dry and flat.....haha well the people here make the surroundings look alot nicer..not that aspiring to go to tech's med school

Techmed07 said:

I'm here isnt that dry and flat.....haha well the people here make the surroundings look alot nicer..not that aspiring to go to tech's med school

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I meant booze with the dry thing. My parents went to school there, and my dad has all these stories about going to Mexico to buy alcohol.

OCallag said:

Just curious, why are so many Texans down on A&M and Tech? Is there like a stigma against them or something?

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Most people prefer the big city atmosphere (or being in driving distance to it). Lubbock and College Station really aren't that. It's nothing against the schools personally, just the environment.

I like big cities because they tend to have a much more diverse patient population and more resources. It just happens to be that way.

The only thing with Texas is that they may have more schools but they also have more applicants so it kind of balances out. The thing that makes Texas attractive, in my opinion, is the personalized application service which makes it easier and cheaper to apply.

Well Tech didn't do so well on their Step 1 from what I hear. When I was in Lubbock, the admissions lady purposefully sidestepped our questions about their pass rate and scores. That could be a reason it's not so favored as a med school.

what about the states with no med school, like wyoming - i heard that if you're from there, you get in-state preference in like 10 states or something?

How about Michigan? three medschools with wildly expensive OOS tuition.

what about NY? there are 4 state schools here and then a bunch of private ones too.

Panda Bear said:

Louisiana.

Hands down. No contest.

When I applied (back in 2000) there were only around 800 applicants for about 300 spots in LSU New Orleans and Shreveport. If you subtract the people who applied and had no chance as well as those who either went to Tulane or out of state, you see that your odds were pretty good if you were half-way decent as an applicant.

LSU does not interview out of state applicants.

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Why would you subtract the people who went to Tulane?

Eyeraki said:

Why would you subtract the people who went to Tulane?

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He's talking about his chances to get into LSU.

Hopefully Washington. Does anyone know how long after submitting a secondary to UW they will contact the applicant regarding an interview?

Wisconsin is not a bad state. It has two in state schools, a low population with few med school applicants, and one of the schools is very highly ranked but has very strong in-state preference. Acceptance percentages aren't quite in the ballpark of some of the other states, but I don't think there are that many complaints.

Atleast no one has said PA.

If you look at the number of seats vs. the state population, here's the top ten:

State..#schools..#seats..state.pop..%of.pop.served
VT.......1.........107.....623908......0.0171%
NE.......2.........244....1768331......0.0138%
LA.......3.........452....4287768......0.0105%
ND.......1..........62.....635867......0.0098%
MA.......4.........618....6437193......0.0096%
WV.......2.........173....1818470......0.0095%
PA.......6........1135...12440621......0.0091%
NY......12........1738...19306183......0.0090%
IL.......7........1141...12831970......0.0089%

14.OH....6.........911...11478006......0.0079%
25.TX....7........1296...23507783......0.0055%
42.CA....8........1065...36457549......0.0029%

And worst with a state school:
AZ.......1.........110....6166318......0.0018%

Actually WA is tied for last since it serves AK/ID/MT/WA/WY:
WWAMI....1.........182....9991952......0.0018%

These are 2006 numbers, btw.

If you really wanted to do this analysis you would need to look at the actual number of applicants from each state. It's not always going to correlate completely with population. CA has a disproportionate amount of applicants even given its high population, which very likely has to do with the extremely high Asian population.

DrMidlife said:

If you look at the number of seats vs. the state population, here's the top ten:

State..#schools..#seats..state.pop..%of.pop.served
VT.......1.........107.....623908......0.0171%
NE.......2.........244....1768331......0.0138%
LA.......3.........452....4287768......0.0105%
ND.......1..........62.....635867......0.0098%
MA.......4.........618....6437193......0.0096%
WV.......2.........173....1818470......0.0095%
PA.......6........1135...12440621......0.0091%
NY......12........1738...19306183......0.0090%
IL.......7........1141...12831970......0.0089%

14.OH....6.........911...11478006......0.0079%
25.TX....7........1296...23507783......0.0055%
42.CA....8........1065...36457549......0.0029%

And worst with a state school:
AZ.......1.........110....6166318......0.0018%

Actually WA is tied for last since it serves AK/ID/MT/WA/WY:
WWAMI....1.........182....9991952......0.0018%

These are 2006 numbers, btw.

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TheRealMD said:

He's talking about his chances to get into LSU.

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excuse my slowness...still a bit confused, do people who go to Tulane have no chance at LSU med school because Tulane has a med school (which gives other in-staters a higher chance of being accepted)? I was confused as Pandabear put Tulane students and out-of-state students in the same category

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If you really wanted to do this analysis you would need to look at the actual number of applicants from each state. It's not always going to correlate completely with population. CA has a disproportionate amount of applicants even given its high population, which very likely has to do with the extremely high Asian population.

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If I really wanted the analysis to say something I'd need the data on # OOS per school, by-state, and fudge it back through so that per-state seats is relevant. That data's not available.

But AAMC has per-state applicants, and no, CA is not disproportionately high, it's right in the middle. Please hold for data, one moment please.

armybound said:

But Lubbock really does suck.

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Haha apparently it has one of the highest rates of STD occurrence in the nation for the 20-29 age group as well.

States with highest proportion of applicants vs. population.


Rank...State...#schools...#seats...#apps...state.pop...apps.vs.pop
1........ND.......1.........62.......134......635867.....0.02107%
2........LA.......3........452.......886.....4287768.....0.02066%
3........UT.......1........102.......488.....2550063.....0.01914%
4........SD.......1.........51.......142......781919.....0.01816%
5........HI.......1.........62.......214.....1285498.....0.01665%
6........NE.......2........244.......291.....1768331.....0.01646%
7........MD.......3........451.......913.....5615727.....0.01626%
8........KS.......1........175.......434.....2764075.....0.01570%
9........NJ.......2........335......1358.....8724560.....0.01557%
10.......MN.......2........264.......761.....5167101.....0.01473%
11.......IL.......7.......1141......1844....12831970.....0.01437%
12.......NY......12.......1738......2702....19306183.....0.01400%
13.......TX.......7.......1296......3279....23507783.....0.01395%
19.......OH.......6........911......1485....11478006.....0.01294%
23.......CA.......8.......1065......4452....36457549.....0.01221%
29.......PA.......6.......1135......1423....12440621.....0.01144%


I left out DC. Applicant data is from http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/state-re-app2006.htm

And one more: seats per applicant by state.

Rank.....State...#schools...#seats...#apps...state.pop...seats.vs.apps
1..........VT..........1.......107......87......623908..........1.230
2..........RI..........1........91......80.....1067610..........1.138
3..........MO..........4.......492.....568.....5842713..........0.866
4..........NH..........1........82......97.....1314895..........0.845
5..........NE..........2.......244.....291.....1768331..........0.838
6..........PA..........6......1135...1,423....12440621..........0.798
7..........WV..........2.......173.....241.....1818470..........0.718
8..........MA..........4.......618.....897.....6437193..........0.689
9..........NY..........12.....1738...2,702....19306183..........0.643
10..........IL..........7.....1141...1,844....12831970..........0.619
11..........OH..........6......911...1,485....11478006..........0.613
30..........TX..........7.....1296...3,279....23507783..........0.395
43..........CA..........8.....1065...4,452....36457549..........0.239


What have we learned tonight, children? (Oh yes, you can assume I'm old enough to be your mother. Old enough to be RealMD's grandmother.) We've learned that you can't blame Asians for California being difficult. We've learned that formatting data is time-consuming and the results are insufficiently interesting.

DO data should be included here, since several states fund DO seats as equivalent to MD seats.

I should probably mention that I used the '07-08 MSAR (with 06 data) and Wikipedia's state pop numbers for 2006.

your stats about the number of seats are taking into account private schools which actually show very little state preference.

Cali is pretty rough for a student like me.
I think NY (a lot schools with lesser competition than Cali) and TX(IS preference) are pretty awesome.

I know that private schools all over the country are pretty open to CA residents b/c they know how tough it is for us. Do you guys know the chances for CA resident getting into state/public schools of other states?

howdy2u said:

In other words...Don't get sick in Indiana! LMAO

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The IUSM Class of 2009 just took Step I, they put up an average score of 230. 98% pass rate. National average is around 215.

This is from the second biggest medical school in the country. For some reason I think patients in Indiana are doing ok.