What do pre-allos think of DO's

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Just curious what pre-allos thought of DOs..so what do u guys think of them? It seems like a very vague question..any thoughts would be appreciated
 
Ok, this could be fun. Let's wager on how long until this thread is locked. I give it 37 seconds.
 
Still open🙂

Pre-meds are the only ones that care, for the most part. The general public could care less if the "doctor" they see is an MD, DO, RN, PA or any other letter combination as long as they get better.
 
Am I the only one going through deja vu right now?
 
How does it go...something like


"in before the lock"
 
kami333 said:
Still open🙂

Pre-meds are the only ones that care, for the most part. The general public could care less if the "doctor" they see is an MD, DO, RN, PA or any other letter combination as long as they get better.
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I have a rescue squad mentor that always tells patients and family members on scenes that I'm a future physician. I was on a call recently where they apparently didn't hear him exactly right. On my way out, they were all shaking my hand and saying, "Thanks, Doc! Thanks, Doctor!" etc...

So sometimes you don't even need to be a Doctor at all! :laugh:
 
I think they're professionals who've been accepted to and finished medical school, making them leaps and bounds more qualified than me in every way.

I feel like this is asking Mrs. Smith's 11th grade Art class what they think of Rembrandt.
 
I think they are superior to MD's due to their holistic approach to treating the patient and not just the symptoms.
 
I think DOs are awesome. I would've applied if I had the extra money.
 
abadri421 said:
Just curious what pre-allos thought of DOs..so what do u guys think of them? It seems like a very vague question..any thoughts would be appreciated
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Good job with your original thread!

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lol some funny comments out there..i will tell you the reason I have posted this thread. I have met many pre-allos that have said very demeaning things about DOs. I believe they are very ignorant. So i figured SDN contains less of an ignorant population than the people I personally know, my classmates, so i was hoping for honest answers...Im not tryin to start any conflicts between DOs and MDs..In fact I prefer if pre-osteo students dont reply becuase they will give biased responses..
 
abadri421 said:
lol some funny comments out there..i will tell you the reason I have posted this thread. I have met many pre-allos that have said very demeaning things about DOs. I believe they are very ignorant. So i figured SDN contains less of an ignorant population than the people I personally know, my classmates, so i was hoping for honest answers...Im not tryin to start any conflicts between DOs and MDs..In fact I prefer if pre-osteo students dont reply becuase they will give biased responses..
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or...you could've used the search feature.
 
D.O.s are doctors.

I don't understand why anybody would say anything otherwise. They just have different letters on their degrees. Otherwise, they get almost identical training to an M.D.

Frankly, people who do say derogatory things about D.O.s probably just have inferiority complex going on. 🙄
 
The way I take it is that DO's have to pass the same boards exams, go through the same residencies, and they have the same pressures to preform as an MD. Now some will argue that they are not as competitive for specialty residencies, but it seems to me that a lot of people sincerely interested in general medicine specialties go to DO school, so perhaps there is just more interest in those fields. However, AZCOM visited my school and showed us a list of their residency matches; it looked a lot like many of the MD schools I have been interviewing at. Of course, I don't see how a person who does well on the boards, gets great experience in medical school, and is a great applicant for a residency won't get taken, regardless of the school he or she went to.
 
The general public could care less if the "doctor" they see is an MD, DO, RN, PA or any other letter combination as long as they get better.
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Ummmm PA, RN are not "doctors"....
 
HickMD said:
The way I take it is that DO's have to pass the same boards exams, go through the same residencies, and they have the same pressures to preform as an MD. Now some will argue that they are not as competitive for specialty residencies, but it seems to me that a lot of people sincerely interested in general medicine specialties go to DO school, so perhaps there is just more interest in those fields. However, AZCOM visited my school and showed us a list of their residency matches; it looked a lot like many of the MD schools I have been interviewing at. Of course, I don't see how a person who does well on the boards, gets great experience in medical school, and is a great applicant for a residency won't get taken, regardless of the school he or she went to.
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see thats some great input..thank you..i tried using the search feature but it wasnt helpful..
So if you have two applicants, one DO and the other MD, for lets say an orthopedic surgery residency position. Both have very similar statistics and btw its an allopathic residency, is there any bias towards the DO in this regard?
 
They are different, learn about the differences and you'll have your own opinions of each.
 
abadri421 said:
see thats some great input..thank you..i tried using the search feature but it wasnt helpful..
So if you have two applicants, one DO and the other MD, for lets say an orthopedic surgery residency position. Both have very similar statistics and btw its an allopathic residency, is there any bias towards the DO in this regard?
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Bias towards the DO? No. Bias towards the MD, more than likely. At least subconciously.

And before everyone yells at me, don't assume I hate DOs.
 
abadri421 said:
see thats some great input..thank you..i tried using the search feature but it wasnt helpful..
So if you have two applicants, one DO and the other MD, for lets say an orthopedic surgery residency position. Both have very similar statistics and btw its an allopathic residency, is there any bias towards the DO in this regard?
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I am not totally sure, I don't suppose so, I have met many DOs in competitive residencies, which means they beat out a large group of MDs. I spoke with a DO anesthesiologist who told me that at his school they had some students who performed very well in residency and sort of "greased the skids" for other students graduating from his school. He said they placed students in those residencies every year. I have also been told that if you are choosing the DO route, be very mindful of the school because some schools focus heavily on primary care.
 
abadri421 said:
see thats some great input..thank you..i tried using the search feature but it wasnt helpful..
So if you have two applicants, one DO and the other MD, for lets say an orthopedic surgery residency position. Both have very similar statistics and btw its an allopathic residency, is there any bias towards the DO in this regard?
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Of course the DO would be favored. Orthopedics deals with bones and DO's are experts being doctors of osteopathy. Since osteo means bone and pathy means disease, I think.
 
Ahaydt- Your posts are confusing me, I am not going to lie. Was I supposed to be offended that you said I am not a doctor? It is just a matter of time for me anyways since I am starting in August...

as for the bias question abadri asked, I think he meant will DOs be looked down upon by the residency programs...
 
More important question:

Why do you care what pre-meds think about DO's? They have a skewed view on things...

In practice, both types of physicians work together and there is basically no difference between the two. There is mutual respect. A minorty of DO's will practice OMM regularly, but that's pretty much it--the only distinguishing factor.
 
Of course the DO would be favored. Orthopedics deals with bones and DO's are experts being doctors of osteopathy. Since osteo means bone and pathy means disease, I think.
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You are being sarcastic?
 
sexyman said:
Ummmm PA, RN are not "doctors"....
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They are "doctors", in the sense that when someone talks about "going to the doctor's office", they rarely distinguish whether they are being seen by an MD or DO, or an PA/RN/etc.
 
gotcha
 
abadri421 said:
So if you have two applicants, one DO and the other MD, for lets say an orthopedic surgery residency position. Both have very similar statistics and btw its an allopathic residency, is there any bias towards the DO in this regard?
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Well, if it's an ACGME residency, in general, who do you think is going to be favored??

Of course you shouldn't make any hard and fast rules. Look at each AGCME program individually and their history with DO's.

BTW, things are rarely equal between applicants. If the program has had DO's in the past and you've spent time rotating there and they like you, they will prefer you. It's sort of like applying for a job. They'll most likely take those they know they like working with.
 
Sexyman, is that you or Christian Bale in your picture? If it's you, have you thought of being a double?

As for favoritism question, there are politics in everything. I assume that in residencies there are politics as well. I think it is safe to say that if one is a solid applicant, they stand a pretty good chance of getting into a residency of their choice. Perhaps there are some schools that prepare one better or were one fits in better and would preform, but that is what we are trying to figure out. Blah, blah, we all know that.
 
It is Bale from American Psycho ha
 
kami333 said:
Pre-meds are the only ones that care, for the most part. The general public could care less if the "doctor" they see is an MD, DO, RN, PA or any other letter combination as long as they get better.
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Not true at all. It doesn't matter only if the patient doesn't know. Do you think a patient would choose a Dr. from Johns Hopkins or the caribbean? It's no different. If the training is equivalent and the only difference is philosophy, then why do so few people who have the choice of becoming an MD or DO choose DO?
 
kami333 said:
They are "doctors", in the sense that when someone talks about "going to the doctor's office", they rarely distinguish whether they are being seen by an MD or DO, or an PA/RN/etc.
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Most normal (read: non-pre-health) people that I know distinguish between them. They're like, "I went to the doctor's office, but I only got to see the PA so I'll probably try to get a second opinion from an actual doctor." You could argue that they're not like the majority general public, but they're still part of it.
 
thoffen said:
Not true at all. It doesn't matter only if the patient doesn't know. Do you think a patient would choose a Dr. from Johns Hopkins or the caribbean? It's no different. If the training is equivalent and the only difference is philosophy, then why do so few people who have the choice of becoming an MD or DO choose DO?
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Because it's self-perpetuating. People feel like DO's are less respected and like they had an easier time getting into med school (even if the actual curriculum is just as good, which I believe it is), and so they choose to take the route they know that everyone will automatically respect... thus perpetuating those ideas.
 
Spin said:
Most normal (read: non-pre-health) people that I know distinguish between them. They're like, "I went to the doctor's office, but I only got to see the PA so I'll probably try to get a second opinion from an actual doctor." You could argue that they're not like the majority general public, but they're still part of it.
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I think they are the majority of the public actually. Most people are pretty knowledgeable these days about the different degrees of medicine. Everyone I know, myself included, get a little annoyed when you don't actually get to the see the MD when you go to a doctor's office and only get to see the PA. Even in the case of a DO, there is a public, subconscious awareness that sort of makes you think, "What does this guy think? He's just a DO...he couldn't even get into med school." Whether or not people on this board agree or not, that is public sentiment.
 
CGuy07 said:
Even in the case of a DO, there is a public, subconscious awareness that sort of makes you think, "What does this guy think? He's just a DO...he couldn't even get into med school." Whether or not people on this board agree or not, that is public sentiment.
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I'm sure there are exceptions, but by-in-large, the public can give two hoots about MD vs. DO. Honestly, in a busy ER, you have no clue which is which, nor should you be focusing on that. You introduce yourself as a physician and wear a white coat and act like a doctor, by golly, that's how you'll be perceived. 🙄
 
In before the lock? SIIIIICK!
 
endocardium said:
I'm sure there are exceptions, but by-in-large, the public can give two hoots about MD vs. DO. Honestly, in a busy ER, you have no clue which is which, nor should you be focusing on that. You introduce yourself as a physician and wear a white coat and act like a doctor, by golly, that's how you'll be perceived. 🙄
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Well, it definitely does make a difference if you're getting second, third opinions. I've personally seen cases where people have come to an MD because they were not satisfied with the opinion given to them by a DO regarding whatever illness it was they had (in the cases I'm talking about, it had to do with allergies.) And granted, most of the time the MD comes to the same diagnosis/treatment, but I have seen cases where the MD says something different, and the patient is much more inclined to listen to the MD. I'm not trying to bash DO's...I'm just saying there is definitely public awareness and it's pretty naive to think otherwise.
 
Yea CGUY i think your wrong on this one. When someone says "hi I'm doctor so and so" that is what matters in my opinion.
 
Pinkertinkle said:
Of course the DO would be favored. Orthopedics deals with bones and DO's are experts being doctors of osteopathy. Since osteo means bone and pathy means disease, I think.
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....? Ya, that doesn't really make any sense, but whatever. If you want to be an Orthopedist, then do well in school, do well on your boards, and get to know the people who decide who enters into their residency slot. Simple as that. The letters at the end do not mean a damn thing.

/you being ignorant
 
CGuy07 said:
Well, it definitely does make a difference if you're getting second, third opinions. I've personally seen cases where people have come to an MD because they were not satisfied with the opinion given to them by a DO regarding whatever illness it was they had (in the cases I'm talking about, it had to do with allergies.) And granted, most of the time the MD comes to the same diagnosis/treatment, but I have seen cases where the MD says something different, and the patient is much more inclined to listen to the MD. I'm not trying to bash DO's...I'm just saying there is definitely public awareness and it's pretty naive to think otherwise.
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I'm sure that happens, but with that sort of patient, I think it isn't at all related to MD vs. DO. They can pick anything to justify... Some just happen to focus on degree. Oh well.

Frankly, if that's what he or she wants to do, then good for them. I hope they get the right treatment and aren't just looking for what they want to hear, or basing their treatment on something silly like degree.
 
^ they will most likely choose who seems to be more confident/well informed and who they think is the best doctor. I dont think I am being naive to think this at all.
 
Yah me thinks it was supposed to be a joke/sarcasm..... at least I thought it was funny.:laugh:
 
I don't know Christian Bale...a lot of people do care what kind of doctor you are. Anyone see the Seinfeld episode where Elaine is dating a podiatrist? Perfect example.
 
BCLumas said:
....? Ya, that doesn't really make any sense, but whatever. If you want to be an Orthopedist, then do well in school, do well on your boards, and get to know the people who decide who enters into their residency slot. Simple as that. The letters at the end do not mean a damn thing.

/you being ignorant
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O, sounds like you have some experience applying to orthopedics residencies?
 
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