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Hi CrazyLikeAFox, I'm new to SDN/Post Bach program too but I'm so happy you posted this thread. I wanted to get to know the HES/HCP people in the forum too.

I started this Fall ('07) at Harvard Extension School (only took 1 class Bio, did well) so now in the Spring I'l be taking Math and Bio while working full time. (currently trying to figure out volunteer opportunities where I can interpret since I've done it for 8 years in RI and CA)

I'm a low GPA person, went to an Ivy league (where my poor HS background destroyed by undergrad GPA) trying to battle back in the Pre-Med GPA game like MaxPrime. I hope to get to know others like Maxprime so we can rally together and kick HES-HCP butt 🙂

Are you moving to Boston or are you already here?
 
Hi CrazyLikeAFox, I'm new to SDN/Post Bach program too but I'm so happy you posted this thread. I wanted to get to know the HES/HCP people in the forum too.

I started this Fall ('07) at Harvard Extension School (only took 1 class Bio, did well) so now in the Spring I'l be taking Math and Bio while working full time. (currently trying to figure out volunteer opportunities where I can interpret since I've done it for 8 years in RI and CA)

I'm a low GPA person, went to an Ivy league (where my poor HS background destroyed by undergrad GPA) trying to battle back in the Pre-Med GPA game like MaxPrime. I hope to get to know others like Maxprime so we can rally together and kick HES-HCP butt 🙂

Are you moving to Boston or are you already here?


I am moving to boston, i have visited and enjoyed my time there. I am currently trying to find "cheap" housing. I am considering leaving my car behind if i can find a place on the T
 
So, anyone in the program or completed it willing to talk about how well the program prepared you for the MCAT? thanks!
 
So, anyone in the program or completed it willing to talk about how well the program prepared you for the MCAT? thanks!

I think the program prepared me extremely well. I hadn't taken any of the pre-reqs before and cranked out a 40Q last September after finishing up classes in August. I know a few classmates did pretty well (one guy supposedly got a perfect score) - but there is obviously no published data available and YMMV.

More generally, I think any post-bacc will prepare you pretty well for the MCAT. The pre-reqs are the same almost everywhere - EXCEPT for bio. Dr. Fixsen teaches to the MCAT extremely well. I think that I wouldn't have scored as well on BS if it weren't for that class.
 
I think the program prepared me extremely well. I hadn't taken any of the pre-reqs before and cranked out a 40Q last September after finishing up classes in August. I know a few classmates did pretty well (one guy supposedly got a perfect score) - but there is obviously no published data available and YMMV.

More generally, I think any post-bacc will prepare you pretty well for the MCAT. The pre-reqs are the same almost everywhere - EXCEPT for bio. Dr. Fixsen teaches to the MCAT extremely well. I think that I wouldn't have scored as well on BS if it weren't for that class.


Congrats on the score!
Did you take a kaplan course or anything?
 
Congrats on the score!
Did you take a kaplan course or anything?

I'll second Maxprime's vote of confidence on HES. I took all my premed classes there and scored very well (although not quite as high as Max) on the MCAT.

Fixen does a great job on bio. I'd also say that Dr's Tucci, Logan (Logan Notes) McCarty, and Rueckner are all very strong instructors for the other prerequs - after a few years of less-than-stellar Orgo professors, I think the Extension School really has a fantastic lineup now.

(I took Kaplan's classroom course, and I'm glad I did. It didn't teach me anything I hadn't already gotten from HES, but it organized my review and studying. It provided a timeline for me to stick to, so I didn't have to do that planning and scheduling work for myself.)
 
The classes do prepare you well, but that said, you can't just walk into a testing center and expect to do well. You really need to review what you've learned and practice test taking. I self-studied for the MCAT after doing all my prereqs at HES and hit the high 30's (98th percentile). I bought myself a huge 1 year wall calendar and planned out how I was going to study for the test and followed it, but for those who need a little more structure, a course is probably a better idea.
 
Congrats on the score!
Did you take a kaplan course or anything?

The majority of the work I did was the Princeton Review books and practice exams. The classes are good for tricks on what to learn (ex. being that you only need to know IR absorption frequency for 2 groups instead of the 15 they teach you in orgo). I'll happily take credit for Physics, but blame my gen chem and bio success on my HES profs. Your Verbal score is assigned to you at birth. Aside from that first practice exam that makes you crap your pants, I don't think I ever scored below a 10 or above an 11. I have serious respect for people who do well on Verbal. Practice all you can on it, but check what your percentiles are and allocate your time to maximize your numerical score.

Has anyone ever considered reading random journal articles for Verbal? I've read the Economist and the WSJ since high school and I don't think they helped one bit. Thinking back, it seems like clumsily reading through an odd journal article for the first time is the most similar to how I felt on the Verbal section.

BTW, Does anyone know where Israel went?
 
The classes do prepare you well, but that said, you can't just walk into a testing center and expect to do well. You really need to review what you've learned and practice test taking. I self-studied for the MCAT after doing all my prereqs at HES and hit the high 30's (98th percentile). I bought myself a huge 1 year wall calendar and planned out how I was going to study for the test and followed it, but for those who need a little more structure, a course is probably a better idea.

+1 - that's a good point that's rarely brought up in "how did you study" discussions. You have to set yourself a timetable and stick to it.

Also, another pearl of wisdom. Buy MCAT review books and go through them during your courses - you'll do better in courses and the MCAT. Thinking ahead to starting M1, everyone is preaching to me that I should go through USMLE books with class.
 
What are the requirements for the program? I didn't see it listed on the Harvard site.

Also, do you have to interview to get accepted?

And do you have to be a student of Harvard in order to get in?
 
What are the requirements for the program? I didn't see it listed on the Harvard site.

Also, do you have to interview to get accepted?

And do you have to be a student of Harvard in order to get in?

See this post by usethe4ce for everything you ever wanted to know about HES/HCP.
 
See this post by usethe4ce for everything you ever wanted to know about HES/HCP.

Very informative, thanks..


So it looks like you have to select your classes manually and their isn't a curriculum students HAVE to follow.. how would a program like this compare to one at Bryn Mawr as far as receiving good MCAT scores?
 
Has anyone done the upper level sciences through the HES instead of the pre-reqs? I am going to attend a local post-bac here for the basics, but due to my low GPA, I'll have to do some more repair and I'm thinking of HES for the upper level sciences. I am thinking of taking Biochem, Genetics, plus four or five more classes (about 24-28 credits in one year, including summer).

What classes have you taken, how did you find their difficulty and quality, and how did you find the support for HES in terms of sponsorship and your luck in the app process?

(For reference, if I do HES upper level sciences, I'll have a 3.55 overall and a 3.2 science when I start, with the hope to bring that 3.2 up to a 3.5, and my 3.55 up to a 3.6 by the end of that HES year).
 
Has anyone done the upper level sciences through the HES instead of the pre-reqs? I am going to attend a local post-bac here for the basics, but due to my low GPA, I'll have to do some more repair and I'm thinking of HES for the upper level sciences. I am thinking of taking Biochem, Genetics, plus four or five more classes (about 24-28 credits in one year, including summer).

What classes have you taken, how did you find their difficulty and quality, and how did you find the support for HES in terms of sponsorship and your luck in the app process?

(For reference, if I do HES upper level sciences, I'll have a 3.55 overall and a 3.2 science when I start, with the hope to bring that 3.2 up to a 3.5, and my 3.55 up to a 3.6 by the end of that HES year).

I've taken 3. Biochem was cool. Very middle of the road competitively on the curve, full of premeds, which unexpectedly was great because I'm in the mode of getting done with u-grad and moving on so this course was directly relative to my waning interest in science not related to medicine.

The other two and here's the rub with the extension school, were immersions into specific fields wherein there are a lot of graduate students who are passionate about the material. I never thought I would come to miss the mercenary company of premeds--but what that does is it ensures a certain format that we're used to where we're not expected to be passionate about west african spotted toads or something of that sort. And I'm the kind of person who can get interested in most things--I just have limited capacity to be competitive about things that don't interest me.

So this is an intensely personal review except that you can take from it the fact that if you venture out of the premed zone there you are confronted with real scientists who's butts squeek with joy over the nuances of a particular field--not my cup of tea.
 
I've taken 3. Biochem was cool. Very middle of the road competitively on the curve, full of premeds, which unexpectedly was great because I'm in the mode of getting done with u-grad and moving on so this course was directly relative to my waning interest in science not related to medicine.

The other two and here's the rub with the extension school, were immersions into specific fields wherein there are a lot of graduate students who are passionate about the material. I never thought I would come to miss the mercenary company of premeds--but what that does is it ensures a certain format that we're used to where we're not expected to be passionate about west african spotted toads or something of that sort. And I'm the kind of person who can get interested in most things--I just have limited capacity to be competitive about things that don't interest me.

So this is an intensely personal review except that you can take from it the fact that if you venture out of the premed zone there you are confronted with real scientists who's butts squeek with joy over the nuances of a particular field--not my cup of tea.
How is the curve? Are getting As possible if you work pretty hard? I know some schools set the curve at C+ or so, it's really backstab city there.
 
How is the curve? Are getting As possible if you work pretty hard? I know some schools set the curve at C+ or so, it's really backstab city there.

I think the curves were set around there, yes.
 
I think the curves were set around there, yes.
Very interesting, because the pre-req courses aren't really curved - and those that are, only help you. The upper level classes have a worse curve then?
 
I read the informative post about the HES program but I wasn't sure about the requisites to get into the Health Careers Program. My GPA isn't so great (which is the reason I'm wanting to take more classes) so I was wondering about what they look for in an applicant when they admit into the Health Careers Program (upward trend?)
 
Very interesting, because the pre-req courses aren't really curved - and those that are, only help you. The upper level classes have a worse curve then?

I am sorry. Look I guess I never thought of it in terms of what the curve exactly is. I just judge how much my balls are gettin busted for an A- or above. In biochem I was cool. In Ecology and Protein Structure I was out of my league in terms of interest and couldn't get my science erection happening. But i'm gettin older you know so....

When I started out it was about self-expression and being in a place where I was being limited it could've been NASCAR it just happened to be science, but now science it like a f'd up relationship that i wonder how and why I got here.

The academicians in this area take themselves quite seriously. It seemed a marked difference between the class populated with more bloodthirsty guns for hire like me than in the midst of science acolytes....dedicated, somber, reverent in regards to their masters. I felt like spicole. I should have just ordered a pizza in lecture. Harvard Square has the best Sicilian pizza on Earth--Pinochio's. Other than that it's Hype squared.

I learned one thing. I want to be as far away research and science as i can get, unless it helps me pull down the medical gig I want and then only as your pulling my teeth.

Good luck.
 
From someone who's taken all the prereqs as well as biochem:

The only classes that are curved are biology and biochem. The curves aren't set around a C+, but around the B range. Fixsen, in particular, will adjust the curve as he feels is necessary to put grade ranges in line with his past classes. As for biochem, it was the prof's first time teaching, so who knows where she'll go if she continues. Personally, I would avoid biochem like the plague; you learn little above what you'd learn from Fixsen's bio class. The other basic science classes aren't curved and do 15 pt grade intervals (i.e., 70-85 is B range, 86-100 is A range), and while the classes are rigorous (particularly bio, probably the most difficult class I've ever taken, considering it covered everything we did in biochem in about two weeks and includes a lot of work in genetics and microbio), the grading is pretty fair. Just beware that on gen chem and organic exams, there'll be one question each time that is damn near impossible to answer.

As for entrance, I don't really know. My GPA wasn't spectacular, but wasn't a total disaster either (if you want to know more specifics, my mdapps is #8148). If you look at that, you can see that the classes prepare you extraodinarily well for the MCAT, since out of my friends that have taken it, I'm not an outlier in any way. I also can't comment on the advising, since I used my alma mater to do my med school application, but I've heard very good things.
 
I am sorry. Look I guess I never thought of it in terms of what the curve exactly is. I just judge how much my balls are gettin busted for an A- or above. In biochem I was cool. In Ecology and Protein Structure I was out of my league in terms of interest and couldn't get my science erection happening. But i'm gettin older you know so....

When I started out it was about self-expression and being in a place where I was being limited it could've been NASCAR it just happened to be science, but now science it like a f'd up relationship that i wonder how and why I got here.

The academicians in this area take themselves quite seriously. It seemed a marked difference between the class populated with more bloodthirsty guns for hire like me than in the midst of science acolytes....dedicated, somber, reverent in regards to their masters. I felt like spicole. I should have just ordered a pizza in lecture. Harvard Square has the best Sicilian pizza on Earth--Pinochio's. Other than that it's Hype squared.

I learned one thing. I want to be as far away research and science as i can get, unless it helps me pull down the medical gig I want and then only as your pulling my teeth.

Good luck.

Very interesting perspective. I appreciate your thoughts.
 
Very interesting perspective. I appreciate your thoughts.

Sure thing. I was thinking about our conversation as I was falling asleep last night and I just wanted to pull back from the self-indulgent exuberance of my generalizations with the intention of being useful to you.

As I understand it, you are considering traversing the country with the idea of picking up science classes ala carte and maybe their endorsement after you take the core classes at your location. Verdad?

I tried to give you enough personal excrement so that you would be able to transpose my biases effectively against my observations. So to be clear my ideal educational experience if I could do it over would be: Chico State University on the 6 year plan while getting my paramedic license and playing bass in a reggae band on weekends while eeking out a 3.5 and then pour it on for the MCAT to land coveted state of california-2nd tier school followed by residency and practice in Cali.

In Boston/Cambridge what you have is the heavy hitters in science. You've got MIT nerds designing the stuff for the Pentagon that will be consumer products in 30 years, you've got one of the biggest names in hospitals in the country, a huge medical/research/industrial complex second to none in funding or prestige, and series of prestigious universities with her majesty's sense of destiny to rule.

So what this means for you, is that your colleagues in upper division classes are mainly grad students who work in labs during the day or something of that sort and whereas premeds at your local school are almost invariably the stiffest competition here your competing against people who's knowledge base will be bigger than yours and who take this **** deadly serious, as they want to follow in the footsteps of the phd's writing the tests. Some of these people are wicked smart not s=just people like me who have learned just the necessary moves to make the grade in premed stuff.

So that changes the game. I was not prepared for this shift. I was in my last semester of undergrad, recovering from a major surgery, and ready to be moving onto other things. But you may be right for this climate. And if you want to mix it up with the academic world you'd be in the right place to do it concurrently.

The curves after some thinking about it must have been such that most of the grad students were in the B/C range if not higher because I don't think they get credit for less than a B. Not sure. But it's also key to note that htese classes are tough A's. At my old school i knew all the players and could sit at the right tables for my hand. Here I was blind. And I wandered into science nerd death matches quite by accident.

This is why i take the time to describe to you in detail. Because if you're like me and trying to recover from previous gpa transgression the lay of the land is essential as errors at this point are too costly. For me at this point my gpa is not moving but I still would have liked to finish with all A's and not one A a B+ and a B. But c'est la vie.

Good luck and let me know if I can be of any more use to you. Not that I presuming usefulness at this point.

Good luck.


P.s. In processing my review...keep in mind I'm not in the least a slacker. I like working hard. It's just my view of education at these levels is that it is capricious and arbitrary. I will be a diligent student in medical school--the professional educational goal makes sense to me. Otherwise I tend to my own education as I see fit. So following syllabi are just mechanical hoops that eventually tire me. OK back to MCAT.
 
Thank you - that's very helpful. Basically, as far as I see it, I'll need upper level courses and I have two choices: Penn Special Science & Harvard HCP, each for a year (due to lowish GPA). I consider myself a hard worker and I feel I can hold my own, but


I don't want to get flung into an uber science crowd unless I have to (considering I would ideally want all As). I was ready to go to Harvard, but your first hand experience has made me think about if that is a wise choice. The courses sound interesting, but if I am going to get thrown into them with all grad students and people like that, it might be better to re-analyze that decision.
 
Thank you - that's very helpful. Basically, as far as I see it, I'll need upper level courses and I have two choices: Penn Special Science & Harvard HCP, each for a year (due to lowish GPA). I consider myself a hard worker and I feel I can hold my own, but


I don't want to get flung into an uber science crowd unless I have to (considering I would ideally want all As). I was ready to go to Harvard, but your first hand experience has made me think about if that is a wise choice. The courses sound interesting, but if I am going to get thrown into them with all grad students and people like that, it might be better to re-analyze that decision.

I see. My sample size is n = 3. So perhaps bags of salt are in order. But I said what I would have liked to know if I was electing to come here for the reasons you indicated. Bushy tailed and bright eyed you can do well in these classes, but the competition is rigorous.

I think the premed stuff would've been fine as many here have indicated. But in your case, and this is a subtlety that most of your respondents have been missing, I think a harder look is in order. You want the crap beaten out of you to get ready for the MCAT. You don't went it comes to proteomics--something for a small subset of scientists. That perhaps is my only point.

Again good luck bro.
 
Are you planning on taking more courses in the Spring?
 
Are you planning on taking more courses in the Spring?

I am not and am ecstatic because of it. You?

By the way your other option is an Ivy league science school too right so maybe this is a 2-tailed coin.
 
I am not and am ecstatic because of it. You?

By the way your other option is an Ivy league science school too right so maybe this is a 2-tailed coin.
Haha, yes. I am doing another post-bac atm, but looking forward to next spring when I'll still need some further improvement to my GPA and I am trying to pick where to go. The only downside I see to picking an informal post-bac (which I might end up doing if I keep hearing horror stories 😉), is that you don't get sponsorship letters.
 
Haha, yes. I am doing another post-bac atm, but looking forward to next spring when I'll still need some further improvement to my GPA and I am trying to pick where to go. The only downside I see to picking an informal post-bac (which I might end up doing if I keep hearing horror stories 😉), is that you don't get sponsorship letters.


Yeah. I've heard people rave about the sponsorship thing. I can't say that I get it, but then I am for Kucinich and I thought this was our year man....he had the runway model girlfriend, no longer looking like the 60 year old virgin, I thought we had it in the bag man.....my finger is so on the pulse of the American zeitgeist...it's uncanny.

Yeah so maybe there's something to putting that on resume that really is worth it. At least if you do come here you'll heed my warning and come ready to rumble. Do that and it'd be all good for you I should think.

Let me know how it all goes down for you. Man....we hijacked the **** out of this thread...sorry op...😳
 
Yeah. I've heard people rave about the sponsorship thing. I can't say that I get it, but then I am for Kucinich and I thought this was our year man....he had the runway model girlfriend, no longer looking like the 60 year old virgin, I thought we had it in the bag man.....my finger is so on the pulse of the American zeitgeist...it's uncanny.

Yeah so maybe there's something to putting that on resume that really is worth it. At least if you do come here you'll heed my warning and come ready to rumble. Do that and it'd be all good for you I should think.

Let me know how it all goes down for you. Man....we hijacked the **** out of this thread...sorry op...😳
So are you taking classes somewhere else in the spring?
 
So are you taking classes somewhere else in the spring?

No. I took my last semester at the extension school to get my undergraduate degree awarded from my home institution. My wife is here on a scholarship for a master's program otherwise I wouldn't be here.

My u-grad gpa repair has reached the point of diminishing returns, so it's time to apply and see how it goes after sitting for the MCAT. I may consider an SMP if I don't make it in--not looking forward to that prospect though. Nothing else I can do at this point and I'm in worse shape than you except my science gpa is high by the factor of my previous failures were not in science.
 
No. I took my last semester at the extension school to get my undergraduate degree awarded from my home institution. My wife is here on a scholarship for a master's program otherwise I wouldn't be here.

My u-grad gpa repair has reached the point of diminishing returns, so it's time to apply and see how it goes after sitting for the MCAT. I may consider an SMP if I don't make it in--not looking forward to that prospect though. Nothing else I can do at this point and I'm in worse shape than you except my science gpa is high by the factor of my previous failures were not in science.
Considering in some of the others, I'm not in too horrible a shape. I'll have a 3.55 overall and 3.2 science (or thereabouts) after post-bac. And after one more year of upper levels I'll have a 3.60 overall and 3.50 science, which should make me competitive for medical school GPA wise. I really don't want to do a SMP either, unless I have to.
 
Considering in some of the others, I'm not in too horrible a shape. I'll have a 3.55 overall and 3.2 science (or thereabouts) after post-bac. And after one more year of upper levels I'll have a 3.60 overall and 3.50 science, which should make me competitive for medical school GPA wise. I really don't want to do a SMP either, unless I have to.

No way. You won't need it. You'll be in fine shape.
 
i was looking into HES, but was interested in the Harvard Health Careers program. is it too late for me to apply to this for the fall 2008?

Also, from searching around the website, i kinda figured that the major pre req post bacc science classes dont have a seat limit, is this true?
 
It's definitely not too late.

You are correct. No seat limit.
 
i was looking into HES, but was interested in the Harvard Health Careers program. is it too late for me to apply to this for the fall 2008?

Also, from searching around the website, i kinda figured that the major pre req post bacc science classes dont have a seat limit, is this true?

They have rolling admissions and no deadlines as far as I know. Yes, the basic science classes are only limited (I suppose) by the number of seats in the largest auditorium.
 
well thats good, but is it too late to apply for the health care program at HES. the reason im asking is b/c it says that for he HCP, You must apply no later than September 28 of the year preceding application to medical school.

im thinking about doing this, starting this summer 2008
 
I'm confused by your two posts and exactly what you are asking.

If you are planning on applying to medical school this summer for matriculation in 2009, then, yes, it is more than likely way too late to get accepted to HCP. Contact them directly to see if they will grant you an exception. With that stated, if you haven't taken any HES classes, though, how/why would they recommend you?

If you are planning to begin classes at HES this fall and want to apply to HCP for application in the summer of 2009 for matriculation in 2010, then no you are not too late.
 
yeah sorry for the confusion.... thanks for clearing it up for me. i am going to take extension classes for probably 2years, and in my second year i will apply to med/DO schools.

With that said, now i know im not late for HCP program. By the way, what stats or people do they reject for the HCP program? its too plain spoken and sounds way to easy to get in.
 
Staying in is the challenge.
 
Wow, everyone moved on to 2008 and I never noticed.

I'll second Maxprime's vote of confidence on HES. I took all my premed classes there and scored very well (although not quite as high as Max) on the MCAT.

And I'll third it. The prereqs are awesome! I can also tell you from personal experience that it is possible to beat MaxPrime's MCAT score upon finishing this program. 🙂

As for biochem, it was the prof's first time teaching, so who knows where she'll go if she continues. Personally, I would avoid biochem like the plague; you learn little above what you'd learn from Fixsen's bio class.

I heard terrible things from everyone about biochem this fall, but I do recommend biochem in the summer with Dr. Viel.

Your Verbal score is assigned to you at birth. Aside from that first practice exam that makes you crap your pants, I don't think I ever scored below a 10 or above an 11. I have serious respect for people who do well on Verbal.

BTW, Does anyone know where Israel went?

Israel said he finally got a real job in consulting. I also heard a rumor that Logan is not teaching orgo next year. Anyone know? I heard the same thing about Gregg last year and he was like, "No! I don't know where everyone is getting that!"

I always felt that verbal was 80% just reading the passage and taking careful note of what it actually says, then 20% coping with the test-writers' ambiguity, with normally distributed random results.

Q. Which one of the following is blue?
A. The sky.
B. The United Nations flag.
C. A funeral mourner.
D. The second full moon in a month.
 
so im going to get a small headstart on my prereqs and start HES in the summer 2008. Im going to take biochem since tuition is fair and no lab. Meanwhile im gonna apply to the HCP program so i can get in by fall 2008.

I think summer registration starts march 3rd.

By the way, do i need to send my transcripts to HES so that they know I have the pre reqs for most of the classes i'll be taking?
 
Can anyone out there gimme some tips on 2nd semester Fixsen bio? There is sooo much more stuff this semester and its kinda overwhelming with all of these terms. How did yall figure out a way to organize the material for his class and also for mcat?

-anyone else taking 2nd semester bio? anyone else thankful that some TFs aren't back....

Also, what's the deal with the gen chem prof? any rumors that he might not be around this fall? I heard he's really great.
 
so im going to get a small headstart on my prereqs and start HES in the summer 2008. Im going to take biochem since tuition is fair and no lab. Meanwhile im gonna apply to the HCP program so i can get in by fall 2008.

I think summer registration starts march 3rd.

By the way, do i need to send my transcripts to HES so that they know I have the pre reqs for most of the classes i'll be taking?

Actually in the summer biochem does have lab. Three for the semester, no big deal. I seem to recall some med schools specifically wanting that lab.

HES doesn't care about your transcripts and doesn't check prerequisites. The HCP application will require your transcripts, though.
 
To those of you that have applied to HCP and have been accepted for this coming Summer or Fall: How long did it take for them to get back to you? How did they inform you of their decision? Thanks -
 
hello!

i'll be starting at HES this fall as well and am absolutely pumped! i'm currently abroad but am hoping to move to boston by august. anyone looking for a roommate? 🙂

other than that, i'm completely new to this... and i was wondering if anyone had any recommendation for a possible 2-year course plan? i haven't taken any science classes and i'm kind of in the dark as to what classes i should take first and how many.

any input would be great!

thanks!
 
I received acceptance by mail. I think it took 3-4 weeks. I think it depends on the time of year and their workload.

For a two year program, follow HCP's recommendation: Year 1: Gen Chem and Physics Year 2: Oragnic Chem and Bio.
 
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