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Hi CrazyLikeAFox, I'm new to SDN/Post Bach program too but I'm so happy you posted this thread. I wanted to get to know the HES/HCP people in the forum too.
I started this Fall ('07) at Harvard Extension School (only took 1 class Bio, did well) so now in the Spring I'l be taking Math and Bio while working full time. (currently trying to figure out volunteer opportunities where I can interpret since I've done it for 8 years in RI and CA)
I'm a low GPA person, went to an Ivy league (where my poor HS background destroyed by undergrad GPA) trying to battle back in the Pre-Med GPA game like MaxPrime. I hope to get to know others like Maxprime so we can rally together and kick HES-HCP butt 🙂
Are you moving to Boston or are you already here?
So, anyone in the program or completed it willing to talk about how well the program prepared you for the MCAT? thanks!
I think the program prepared me extremely well. I hadn't taken any of the pre-reqs before and cranked out a 40Q last September after finishing up classes in August. I know a few classmates did pretty well (one guy supposedly got a perfect score) - but there is obviously no published data available and YMMV.
More generally, I think any post-bacc will prepare you pretty well for the MCAT. The pre-reqs are the same almost everywhere - EXCEPT for bio. Dr. Fixsen teaches to the MCAT extremely well. I think that I wouldn't have scored as well on BS if it weren't for that class.
Congrats on the score!
Did you take a kaplan course or anything?
Congrats on the score!
Did you take a kaplan course or anything?
The classes do prepare you well, but that said, you can't just walk into a testing center and expect to do well. You really need to review what you've learned and practice test taking. I self-studied for the MCAT after doing all my prereqs at HES and hit the high 30's (98th percentile). I bought myself a huge 1 year wall calendar and planned out how I was going to study for the test and followed it, but for those who need a little more structure, a course is probably a better idea.
What are the requirements for the program? I didn't see it listed on the Harvard site.
Also, do you have to interview to get accepted?
And do you have to be a student of Harvard in order to get in?
BTW, Does anyone know where Israel went?
See this post by usethe4ce for everything you ever wanted to know about HES/HCP.
Has anyone done the upper level sciences through the HES instead of the pre-reqs? I am going to attend a local post-bac here for the basics, but due to my low GPA, I'll have to do some more repair and I'm thinking of HES for the upper level sciences. I am thinking of taking Biochem, Genetics, plus four or five more classes (about 24-28 credits in one year, including summer).
What classes have you taken, how did you find their difficulty and quality, and how did you find the support for HES in terms of sponsorship and your luck in the app process?
(For reference, if I do HES upper level sciences, I'll have a 3.55 overall and a 3.2 science when I start, with the hope to bring that 3.2 up to a 3.5, and my 3.55 up to a 3.6 by the end of that HES year).
How is the curve? Are getting As possible if you work pretty hard? I know some schools set the curve at C+ or so, it's really backstab city there.I've taken 3. Biochem was cool. Very middle of the road competitively on the curve, full of premeds, which unexpectedly was great because I'm in the mode of getting done with u-grad and moving on so this course was directly relative to my waning interest in science not related to medicine.
The other two and here's the rub with the extension school, were immersions into specific fields wherein there are a lot of graduate students who are passionate about the material. I never thought I would come to miss the mercenary company of premeds--but what that does is it ensures a certain format that we're used to where we're not expected to be passionate about west african spotted toads or something of that sort. And I'm the kind of person who can get interested in most things--I just have limited capacity to be competitive about things that don't interest me.
So this is an intensely personal review except that you can take from it the fact that if you venture out of the premed zone there you are confronted with real scientists who's butts squeek with joy over the nuances of a particular field--not my cup of tea.
How is the curve? Are getting As possible if you work pretty hard? I know some schools set the curve at C+ or so, it's really backstab city there.
Very interesting, because the pre-req courses aren't really curved - and those that are, only help you. The upper level classes have a worse curve then?I think the curves were set around there, yes.
Very interesting, because the pre-req courses aren't really curved - and those that are, only help you. The upper level classes have a worse curve then?
I am sorry. Look I guess I never thought of it in terms of what the curve exactly is. I just judge how much my balls are gettin busted for an A- or above. In biochem I was cool. In Ecology and Protein Structure I was out of my league in terms of interest and couldn't get my science erection happening. But i'm gettin older you know so....
When I started out it was about self-expression and being in a place where I was being limited it could've been NASCAR it just happened to be science, but now science it like a f'd up relationship that i wonder how and why I got here.
The academicians in this area take themselves quite seriously. It seemed a marked difference between the class populated with more bloodthirsty guns for hire like me than in the midst of science acolytes....dedicated, somber, reverent in regards to their masters. I felt like spicole. I should have just ordered a pizza in lecture. Harvard Square has the best Sicilian pizza on Earth--Pinochio's. Other than that it's Hype squared.
I learned one thing. I want to be as far away research and science as i can get, unless it helps me pull down the medical gig I want and then only as your pulling my teeth.
Good luck.
Very interesting perspective. I appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you - that's very helpful. Basically, as far as I see it, I'll need upper level courses and I have two choices: Penn Special Science & Harvard HCP, each for a year (due to lowish GPA). I consider myself a hard worker and I feel I can hold my own, but
I don't want to get flung into an uber science crowd unless I have to (considering I would ideally want all As). I was ready to go to Harvard, but your first hand experience has made me think about if that is a wise choice. The courses sound interesting, but if I am going to get thrown into them with all grad students and people like that, it might be better to re-analyze that decision.
Are you planning on taking more courses in the Spring?
Haha, yes. I am doing another post-bac atm, but looking forward to next spring when I'll still need some further improvement to my GPA and I am trying to pick where to go. The only downside I see to picking an informal post-bac (which I might end up doing if I keep hearing horror stories 😉), is that you don't get sponsorship letters.I am not and am ecstatic because of it. You?
By the way your other option is an Ivy league science school too right so maybe this is a 2-tailed coin.
Haha, yes. I am doing another post-bac atm, but looking forward to next spring when I'll still need some further improvement to my GPA and I am trying to pick where to go. The only downside I see to picking an informal post-bac (which I might end up doing if I keep hearing horror stories 😉), is that you don't get sponsorship letters.
So are you taking classes somewhere else in the spring?Yeah. I've heard people rave about the sponsorship thing. I can't say that I get it, but then I am for Kucinich and I thought this was our year man....he had the runway model girlfriend, no longer looking like the 60 year old virgin, I thought we had it in the bag man.....my finger is so on the pulse of the American zeitgeist...it's uncanny.
Yeah so maybe there's something to putting that on resume that really is worth it. At least if you do come here you'll heed my warning and come ready to rumble. Do that and it'd be all good for you I should think.
Let me know how it all goes down for you. Man....we hijacked the **** out of this thread...sorry op...😳
So are you taking classes somewhere else in the spring?
Considering in some of the others, I'm not in too horrible a shape. I'll have a 3.55 overall and 3.2 science (or thereabouts) after post-bac. And after one more year of upper levels I'll have a 3.60 overall and 3.50 science, which should make me competitive for medical school GPA wise. I really don't want to do a SMP either, unless I have to.No. I took my last semester at the extension school to get my undergraduate degree awarded from my home institution. My wife is here on a scholarship for a master's program otherwise I wouldn't be here.
My u-grad gpa repair has reached the point of diminishing returns, so it's time to apply and see how it goes after sitting for the MCAT. I may consider an SMP if I don't make it in--not looking forward to that prospect though. Nothing else I can do at this point and I'm in worse shape than you except my science gpa is high by the factor of my previous failures were not in science.
Considering in some of the others, I'm not in too horrible a shape. I'll have a 3.55 overall and 3.2 science (or thereabouts) after post-bac. And after one more year of upper levels I'll have a 3.60 overall and 3.50 science, which should make me competitive for medical school GPA wise. I really don't want to do a SMP either, unless I have to.
Maybe. I don't have any state schools that look favorably upon IS students.No way. You won't need it. You'll be in fine shape.
i was looking into HES, but was interested in the Harvard Health Careers program. is it too late for me to apply to this for the fall 2008?
Also, from searching around the website, i kinda figured that the major pre req post bacc science classes dont have a seat limit, is this true?
I'll second Maxprime's vote of confidence on HES. I took all my premed classes there and scored very well (although not quite as high as Max) on the MCAT.
As for biochem, it was the prof's first time teaching, so who knows where she'll go if she continues. Personally, I would avoid biochem like the plague; you learn little above what you'd learn from Fixsen's bio class.
Your Verbal score is assigned to you at birth. Aside from that first practice exam that makes you crap your pants, I don't think I ever scored below a 10 or above an 11. I have serious respect for people who do well on Verbal.
BTW, Does anyone know where Israel went?
so im going to get a small headstart on my prereqs and start HES in the summer 2008. Im going to take biochem since tuition is fair and no lab. Meanwhile im gonna apply to the HCP program so i can get in by fall 2008.
I think summer registration starts march 3rd.
By the way, do i need to send my transcripts to HES so that they know I have the pre reqs for most of the classes i'll be taking?
Wow!Thats so exiciting!Good Luck!😀Hello!
I will be starting the program this coming fall. I look forward to meeting everyone..... So introduce yourselves.