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Hey everyone!

I had an interview with a LECOM-Erie faculty member. During our interview he mentioned that there will a new branch opening up "soon" in Pennsylvania. He didn't give a time frame, although he acted within a few years. He also couldn't say more than that it would be in Pa. Thought I would pass the news along!
 
I heard they're going to finish it this year and transfer people who are the wait list there. *just being sour* 😛
 
Okay, so here is a rumor

The medical director for my EMS company, stationed in Greensburg, is the medical director for Seton Hill University Physician Assistant program, also in Greensburg. Rumor has spread down the chain, staring from him, that the new LECOM branch is going to be here in Greensburg, Pa...approximately 30 miles south of Pittsburgh and affiliated with Seton Hill University.

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That's one of several change requests up for discussion at the April 26-27 COCA meeting in DC:

"At this time, there are three substantive change requests to be reviewed: additional location/class size increase - Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine at Seton Hill University (Greensburg, PA); additional location/class size increase - Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine at Macomb College (Clinton Township, MI) and at Detroit Medical Center (Detroit, MI); and, class size increase – Oklahoma State University-College of Osteopathic Medicine (Tulsa, OK)."

For the meeting notice:
http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=acc_predoc
 
Is it going to be PBL like LECOM-B? it would be nice if they would transfer the people on the waitlist there lol :laugh:
 
Saw this today:


Erie, PA – April 30, 2008 - Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (LECOM) has received preliminary approval to open an additional campus at Seton Hill University in Greensburg, Pennsylvania. LECOM will accept 104 students at this campus taking LECOM Erie to 354 students with another 150 students located at LECOM Bradenton, a branch campus in Florida. LECOM at Seton Hill University will open for the 2009 academic year.
 
Medical schools are popping up like hot cakes. The allo schools have 13 more in the pipe line as well. I wonder if this'll drive down the competitiveness of admissions in the future, like from crazy insane competitive to just crazy competitive.
 
I would love for a new DO school to be affiliated with a "real" university, such as Seton Hall, Colorado State, etc.. Definitely, would look make the new schools look a lot better to prospective applicants.
 
nlax30 said:
Saw this today:


Erie, PA – April 30, 2008 - Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (LECOM) has received preliminary approval to open an additional campus at Seton Hill University in Greensburg, Pennsylvania. LECOM will accept 104 students at this campus taking LECOM Erie to 354 students with another 150 students located at LECOM Bradenton, a branch campus in Florida. LECOM at Seton Hill University will open for the 2009 academic year.
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So will the first class be 2013? I apply this cycle and am curious now...
 
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Seton Hall is not the same as Seton Hill, which is not the same as Seton Health Care (the hospital network I work for)
 
nlax30 said:
Yea, maybe they're banking on name confusion.... In this case it's Seton Hill.... not the Seton Hall in Jersey.
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TexasTriathlete said:
Seton Hall is not the same as Seton Hill, which is not the same as Seton Health Care (the hospital network I work for)
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Right. I was aware of that, but my post wasn't exactly clear. I was trying to imply that a Seton Hill affiliated DO school means nothing to most people, however a Seton Hall affiliated school would look pretty good.
 
BobBarker said:
Right. I was aware of that, but my post wasn't exactly clear. I was trying to imply that a Seton Hill affiliated DO school means nothing to most people, however a Seton Hall affiliated school would look pretty good.
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I'm curious as to how being affiliated with a large university would help the students?
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Mo money mo money mo money
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The only reason I ask this is cost of education. The private universities such as UNECOM, NYCOM seem to be the most expensive where LECOM seems one of the cheapest private institution. Does the extra money drag if you will of a large university provide something else that I am missing?
 
I'm not sure it would be beneficial to send DO students to an area of PA that is already saturated with PA students. Pennsylvania is second only to New York in PA programs...where do they all train? I came from Oregon where we didn't even HAVE a PA program until a decade ago, and now in SC where there is only one. I wouldn't want to compete with all these students for rotations in a small geographic area.
Just my .02.
L.
 
Gold 5 said:
I'm curious as to how being affiliated with a large university would help the students?
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Hmm.. let's compare two conversations.

'Where do you go to medical school?'
----"Seton Hall"
'That's a good school!'

or

----"Seton Hill"
'Don't you mean Seton Hall?'
----"No, it's Seton Hill."
'Hall H-A-L-L. Hall.'
----"No, Hill, H-I-L-L. As in not as tall as a mountain, but still an elevation above the general topography of the area."
'I think you're confused. The name of the university is Seton Hall, not Seton Hill. Are you feeling well?'
----"That's another school. I go to Seton Hill."
'Riiight.. whatever you say.'


Being affiliated with a recognized univesity puts to rest most of the qualms people have against a new school opening up. LECOM has only been around for like 15 years, they have low admission standards, and they keep increasing class size and adding new campuses. Doesn't look very good. When a new school is affiliated with a well-recognized university no one thinks "diploma mill" where they might with "Seton Hill".
 
Greensburg is 35 miles east of Pittsburgh and is the home of the golfer Rocco Mediate. Greensburg is 12 miles west of Latrobe, PA the home of Arnold Palmer. If the people in Greensburg are all as nice as Rocco and Arnie, it can't be all bad.

You may recall that Robert Morris University in Pittsburgh was going to start a DO program but couldn't get it funded. LECOM is stepping into the breach. I think LECOM has this gig figured out. Don't do much research, teach the students to pass the boards, don't subsidize rotations and keep down tuition. This is not all bad if we need to crank out clinicians and qualified students are having a nightmare of a time getting accepted. Good for LECOM!
 
Here's the opening three paragraphs from WIKIPEDIA's blurb about Seton Hill:

Seton Hill University is a small Catholic liberal arts university in Greensburg, Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh. Formerly a women's college, it became a coeducational university in 2002.

The school was founded in 1883 by the Sisters of Charity. It is named for Elizabeth Ann Seton (1774–1821), who founded the Sisters of Charity, and who after her death was canonized as the United States' first native-born saint. (Both Seton Hall University and the College of Saint Elizabeth in New Jersey are also named after Elizabeth Ann Seton.)

During the 1980s, men were regularly admitted to many programs at Seton Hill College, including music and theater. After president JoAnne Boyle formalized the school's new status as a university, the school's nickname was changed from "Spirits" to "Griffins," and several men's athletics teams were added, including American football. In 2006, Seton Hill announced it was transferring to NCAA Division II and joining the West Virginia Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WVIAC). They had belonged to the NAIA.
 
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BobBarker said:
I would love for a new DO school to be affiliated with a "real" university, such as Seton Hall, Colorado State, etc.. Definitely, would look make the new schools look a lot better to prospective applicants.
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Amen, I'd love one with either Colorado State or University of Wyoming, but since I live in the area, I'm biased.
 
Oneida said:
Amen, I'd love one with either Colorado State or University of Wyoming, but since I live in the area, I'm biased.
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I'm a WYO boy myself. I recently spoke with my pre-med advisor and she said, A DO school tried to open up here at the U of WYO a few years back, but was put to a halt for a bunch of different reasons (many of which included money and politics). So they are trying.
 
I dont know about you but the place looks nice, and is probably full of rich catholic girls 👍
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Gold 5 said:
The only reason I ask this is cost of education. The private universities such as UNECOM, NYCOM seem to be the most expensive where LECOM seems one of the cheapest private institution. Does the extra money drag if you will of a large university provide something else that I am missing?
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The students at UNECOM have been asking where our very expensive tuition money goes for several years. We have never received an adequate response (previously it's been "we can't tell you that"), but the general theme this year is that its going to building stuff. We have a biomedical research building that should be open by fall this year (I think). The one thing a bigger university gives you is other health professionals to interact with generally. Not at UNECOM - the COM students are on one campus while the PA, OT, pharmacy, and nursing students are all on the Westbrook campus. Yeah, we don't get that one either. Again, one of our gripes.

We figure that for the most part, most of our money goes to support the undergrad expansion and the marine biology program (all tuition monies go into the general fund - not a separate COM budget, but a general budget).

The one thing a bigger university really does give you is a bigger communication problem. It should give the students a bigger voice in the community as a whole -- at UNECOM this is saved for the undergrads or other programs. COM students are pretty much too busy to get any kind of voice in anything, and often aren't even included in discussions. This has been starting to change however, and we have hopes the new Dean will continue that change.

If you have a choice and the ONLY THING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS MONEY - go to the cheapest place.
 
Gold 5 said:
I'm curious as to how being affiliated with a large university would help the students?
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More resources. If you look at the schools that are bigger, you have more resources. LECOM's library and resources pale to some other schools I've seen and been apart of that are part of bigger universities. Also LECOM is newer than other schools which might have a few decades on them.

Just something I have noticed.

Shyrem brings up some of the downsides I'd agree with with being associated with a larger university. My experience? I don't see OSU-COM/UMDNJ like that, mainly b/c its a separate campus but the resources at pale in comparison that I've seen at other schools.

All aside, at least there are more seats available for next year's applicants. :thumsup:
 
ShyRem said:
The students at UNECOM have been asking where our very expensive tuition money goes for several years. We have never received an adequate response (previously it's been "we can't tell you that"), but the general theme this year is that its going to building stuff. We have a biomedical research building that should be open by fall this year (I think). The one thing a bigger university gives you is other health professionals to interact with generally. Not at UNECOM - the COM students are on one campus while the PA, OT, pharmacy, and nursing students are all on the Westbrook campus. Yeah, we don't get that one either. Again, one of our gripes.

We figure that for the most part, most of our money goes to support the undergrad expansion and the marine biology program (all tuition monies go into the general fund - not a separate COM budget, but a general budget).

The one thing a bigger university really does give you is a bigger communication problem. It should give the students a bigger voice in the community as a whole -- at UNECOM this is saved for the undergrads or other programs. COM students are pretty much too busy to get any kind of voice in anything, and often aren't even included in discussions. This has been starting to change however, and we have hopes the new Dean will continue that change.

If you have a choice and the ONLY THING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS MONEY - go to the cheapest place.
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Thanks Shy, please guys don't think I am putting down either NYCOM or UNECOM. I have been to both and not only do they both produce good doctors but they have beautiful campuses. I have a feeling that one of the underlying reasons for their high tuitions is the maintenance of that nice, expansive campus 😛
 
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as a student of this now-turned "non-profit" medical school corporation, LECOM, I would encourage anyone looking to come to LECOM ask tough questions on their interview, knowing that LECOM is opeing up a new branch. currently, the department (clinical education) that sets up 3rd and 4th year rotations appears to be understaffed. there are 3 people working in the department covering all 3rd and 4th years medical students on rotations. they handle rotation information, paperwork, and correspondence between LECOM and hospitals, which leaves little to no time for students who want questions answered. I would ask the administration how they plan on accommodating 104 additional students throughout western pennsylvania and providing a quality clinical education. With the addition of this new school, I would anticipate rotations sites in western pennsylvania filling up even faster than they already are, and there is a very likely possibility that you'll be left scrambling 3rd and 4th year for rotations. not to mention, there will be some kind of rivalry between campuses trying to access hospitals. at the moment, it seems that LECOM seems to be outgrowing its resources. instead of focusing on quality medical education, for example, by building up their local community hospital into a true "teaching medical center" the family (we all know who) that owns the school seems to be more interested in exploiting the never-ending supply of pre-med students eager to become doctors. it's a great business. proceed with caution.
 
skipperDO said:
as a student of this now-turned "non-profit" medical school corporation, LECOM, I would encourage anyone looking to come to LECOM ask tough questions on their interview, knowing that LECOM is opeing up a new branch. currently, the department (clinical education) that sets up 3rd and 4th year rotations appears to be understaffed. there are 3 people working in the department covering all 3rd and 4th years medical students on rotations. they handle rotation information, paperwork, and correspondence between LECOM and hospitals, which leaves little to no time for students who want questions answered. I would ask the administration how they plan on accommodating 104 additional students throughout western pennsylvania and providing a quality clinical education. With the addition of this new school, I would anticipate rotations sites in western pennsylvania filling up even faster than they already are, and there is a very likely possibility that you'll be left scrambling 3rd and 4th year for rotations. not to mention, there will be some kind of rivalry between campuses trying to access hospitals. at the moment, it seems that LECOM seems to be outgrowing its resources. instead of focusing on quality medical education, for example, by building up their local community hospital into a true "teaching medical center" the family (we all know who) that owns the school seems to be more interested in exploiting the never-ending supply of pre-med students eager to become doctors. it's a great business. proceed with caution.
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ouch, well it is an inexpensive school 😳 .
 
This LECOM expansion crap is getting insane. Pretty much every non-University (Pitt) hospital is hosting LECOM-Erie, LECOM-Bradenton and PCOM students already. This is not even including Physician Assistant programs, which are all throughout western PA too.

I've been to Seton Hill a few times and it is OK at best. I was actually offered a baseball scholarship there and have a couple of friends that go there. It is a small catholic liberal arts school. Back when I was applying to colleges ALL of their classes were in that one big building you see in the picture. Yes a college with 1 classroom building. Thats changed since then but still.

Though it is an ancedote, a few of the ATCs where I work are planning on applying to PA school and most of the senior ATCs/ PAs say "Apply eveywhere around Pittsburgh. They are all good, except Seton Hill."

Just what the osteopathic world needs, another school with an already substandard reputation for its graduate programs. LECOM seems to not care about their reputation as long as they are pocketing the big bucks and can make the claim that they are the largest medical school in the country.

This will probably push me over the edge to drop my LECOM acceptance/ deposit. Enough is enough.
 
skipperDO said:
as a student of this now-turned "non-profit" medical school corporation, LECOM, I would encourage anyone looking to come to LECOM ask tough questions on their interview, knowing that LECOM is opeing up a new branch. currently, the department (clinical education) that sets up 3rd and 4th year rotations appears to be understaffed. there are 3 people working in the department covering all 3rd and 4th years medical students on rotations. they handle rotation information, paperwork, and correspondence between LECOM and hospitals, which leaves little to no time for students who want questions answered. I would ask the administration how they plan on accommodating 104 additional students throughout western pennsylvania and providing a quality clinical education. With the addition of this new school, I would anticipate rotations sites in western pennsylvania filling up even faster than they already are, and there is a very likely possibility that you'll be left scrambling 3rd and 4th year for rotations. not to mention, there will be some kind of rivalry between campuses trying to access hospitals. at the moment, it seems that LECOM seems to be outgrowing its resources. instead of focusing on quality medical education, for example, by building up their local community hospital into a true "teaching medical center" the family (we all know who) that owns the school seems to be more interested in exploiting the never-ending supply of pre-med students eager to become doctors. it's a great business. proceed with caution.
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I like the way you put "non-profit" in quotes because you're trying to make people think that Lecom is in it for the money only. But, I've got news for you. If Lecom was in it for the money they would be charging more than $25,900 for tuition in 2008/2009 and they wouldn't be the least expensive private osteopathic school in existence. You just can't have a "great business" and charge less than everyone else does.

As for rotations, there won't be any rivalry at all. The Pittsburg school will get the first shot at the rotations in that area and the Erie kids will get the first shot in their area. As for the other areas....well, if you're a student then you must have seen the rotation site list. There are a crapload of unfilled rotation spots at the moment all over the place.

I'm sorry that the staff doesn't have time to answer your questions. I can't speak much for the folks in Erie, but they're great down in Bradenton. I'm sure that the school will take into account the addition of 100 extra students and the office will make the necessary adjustments. It wouldn't surprise me if they hire someone just to take care of the new students-- someone in Pittsburgh, perhaps.

I guess the thing new applicants should be thinking now is that if you have your heart set on rotations in Pittsburgh, then don't go to the Erie campus. Obviously, you should ask questions about the clinical years, but like in any new school there will be some glitches at first. That happens everywhere. It's one of the pitfalls of choosing a new campus. Yet, Lecom has a pretty good backbone in place from all the students that have gone through it before. So, they should be able to handle any problems adequately. I just can't see the doomsday scenario happpening.
 
scpod said:
You just can't have a "great business" and charge less than everyone else does.
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I dont think this is true at all. Not a perfect analogies but look at WalMart... Cheaper prices, multi billion dollar corp. Look at UPMC, they have taken over pretty much every hospital in Pittsburgh that is not losing money under WestPenn. UPMC also claims this is to lower healthcare costs. Hmmm What do you generally do when you expand. You make more money. How much do the admins of UPMC make per year, millions. Wonder how much those infamous admins at LECOM are pocketing every year. Pretty nice proportion for a school that owns one "teaching" hospital that is laughable to even put in the same sentence as teaching.
 
DoubleBundle said:
....Though it is an ancedote, a few of the ATCs where I work are planning on applying to PA school and most of the senior ATCs/ PAs say "Apply eveywhere around Pittsburgh. They are all good, except Seton Hill."...
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You can look at anecdotes or look at facts. The facts are that Seton Hill has a small PA program, accepting only 26 students per year. They had 130 graduates take the Physician Assistant National Certification Examination in the last 5 years. 2 failed on their first attempt. They later passed for a 100% overall pass rate. I find it hard to believe that a pass rate like that could come from a program that wasn't "good."
 
nlax30 said:
Saw this today:


Erie, PA – April 30, 2008 - Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (LECOM) has received preliminary approval to open an additional campus at Seton Hill University in Greensburg, Pennsylvania. LECOM will accept 104 students at this campus taking LECOM Erie to 354 students with another 150 students located at LECOM Bradenton, a branch campus in Florida. LECOM at Seton Hill University will open for the 2009 academic year.
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talk about a for profit medical education system - why don't they open up a ****ing campus in philadelphia as well to compete with the other schools there?
 
scpod said:
You can look at anecdotes or look at facts. The facts are that Seton Hill has a small PA program, accepting only 26 students per year. They had 130 graduates take the Physician Assistant National Certification Examination in the last 5 years. 2 failed on their first attempt. They later passed for a 100% overall pass rate. I find it hard to believe that a pass rate like that could come from a program that wasn't "good."
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You, as a past medical school applicant, should know better than to say high pass rate = good program. How many more factors go into the quality of ones education? When you chose LECOM Bradenton did you base this on the fact LECOM Erie has had a very high COMLEX pass rate in the past? Not many people would say LECOM is such a great school cause 90 some percent passed the boards last year.
 
DoubleBundle said:
I dont think this is true at all. Not a perfect analogies but look at WalMart... Cheaper prices, multi billion dollar corp....
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You're right. It's not a good analogy and I'll tell you why. You're not considering corporations of equal size. To find out if one company is making a lot of money you have to compare apples to apples.

Take for example two similar sized DO schools-- NYCOM and LECOM. In the 2005-2006 school year NYCOM had 1176 students and received a total tuition of about 45.4 million dollars. Lecom (Erie and Bradenton combined) had 1208 students and received 30.2 million in tuiton-- 15 million less. If they were in it for the money they would be charging more. Obviously the market can handle it.
 
scpod said:
You're right. It's not a good analogy and I'll tell you why. You're not considering corporations of equal size. To find out if one company is making a lot of money you have to compare apples to apples.

Take for example two similar sized DO schools-- NYCOM and LECOM. In the 2005-2006 school year NYCOM had 1176 students and received a total tuition of about 45.4 million dollars. Lecom (Erie and Bradenton combined) had 1208 students and received 30.2 million in tuiton-- 15 million less. If they were in it for the money they would be charging more. Obviously the market can handle it.
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How do you make money by charging less? A question faced by businesses everywhere. You cut costs in other areas. Might explain how Millcreek is not even close to competitive with other hospitals in Erie, how LECOMs library is a joke, having 0 research (does NYCOM have research?), or how they put no money towards clinical rotations.
 
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DoubleBundle said:
You, as a past medical school applicant, should know better than to say high pass rate = good program. How many more factors go into the quality of ones education? When you chose LECOM Bradenton did you base this on the fact LECOM Erie has had a very high COMLEX pass rate in the past? Not many people would say LECOM is such a great school cause 90 some percent passed the boards last year.
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I chose my school based on a lot of things. But, I knew that I could receive a good education no matter which school I picked because ultimately it's up to me. However, you show me a school with a 98.5% pass rate on any board exam and I'll guarantee you that you are getting a pretty darned good education there. Show me a "poor" school with results like that. They don't exist.

I agree that pass rate should not be the most important thing you look at in choosing a school of any kind. But, it's one of the best ways to compare programs on paper. You don't do that well without doing something right.
 
DoubleBundle said:
How do you make money by charging less? A question faced by businesses everywhere. You cut costs in other areas. Might explain how Millcreek is not even close to competitive with other hospitals in Erie, how LECOMs library is a joke, having 0 research (does NYCOM have research?), or how they put no money towards clinical rotations.
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Millcreek is a separate entity that existed long before Lecom did. No tuition money goes to fund Millcreek. Tuition also doesn't pay for research. That comes from grants. And, for the record, most DO schools don't pay for rotations. That's been the trditional model for DO schools since they began. Lecom does, however, pay some hospitals-- just not many.
 
scpod said:
I chose my school based on a lot of things. But, I knew that I could receive a good education no matter which school I picked because ultimately it's up to me. However, you show me a school with a 98.5% pass rate on any board exam and I'll guarantee you that you are getting a pretty darned good education there. Show me a "poor" school with results like that. They don't exist.

I agree that pass rate should not be the most important thing you look at in choosing a school of any kind. But, it's one of the best ways to compare programs on paper. You don't do that well without doing something right.
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I never claimed they dont do anything right. My claim is that expanding to Seton Hill is based on the cash. Plain and simple. Why dont they take these millions of dollars and make Millcreek competitive with the other, better, hospitals in Erie. Having a large teaching facility of one's own can only improve the education leaps and bounds. The problem is that it would take too much out of the pockets of the shady admins because hospitals, in general, tend to lose money.

Also, Seton Hill is not a strong academic institution. This is fact. Starting a MEDICAL SCHOOL at a small liberal arts college can in no way be beneficial.
 
DoubleBundle said:
.... My claim is that expanding to Seton Hill is based on the cash. Plain and simple....
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No way. They've already proven that they aren't out for cash by charging so much less than comparably sized schools. They have a history of branching out into areas where there has been a need. Take Bradenton, for example. Few people remember that there was a COM with COCA pre-approval planned for Tarpon Springs, FL. It was called the Florida College of Osteopathic Medicine (FCOM). But, the financing fell through. When Lecom began expanding they looked first in the Tarpon Spings area, but got a better deal on land and taxes with a newly developing planned community in Bradenton, not too far away. It saved them a bundle and the area had already shown a need for a new school and had community support.

You can argue that PA is saturated with medical schools but there was another medical school that wanted to open up in Pittsburg a couple of years ago. When that deal fell through, Lecom stepped in and is filling that gap too. You can argue all you want about how they are out for profit but the "facts" don't point to that. All comparable schools charge more. It's that simple.
 
scpod said:
Millcreek is a separate entity that existed long before Lecom did. No tuition money goes to fund Millcreek. Tuition also doesn't pay for research. That comes from grants. And, for the record, most DO schools don't pay for rotations. That's been the trditional model for DO schools since they began. Lecom does, however, pay some hospitals-- just not many.
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Um do you actually know how you get grants? Pay professors that are actually capable of getting grants enough money to come to the institution. Again, cutting costs.

What is the point of having an affiliated hospital if you wont fund the hospital to actually be decent? That is the entire point of having affiliations with a community based hospital, with the LECOM name stamped right one it.

On a side note, LECOM has been playing radio and TV commercials in the Pittsburgh area for a good while now. I never heard a media add for a medical school. Interesting recruitment method for a medical school in my opinion.

I cant argue about this any more. My mind isnt going to change. In my opinion, LECOM is Rocky Vista disguised with a non-profit tax status. My gripe with this is that the admins always end up getting way too much of the profits, same holds true for giants like UPMC and Cleveland Clinic. I find it funny that even the lesser admins make more money than some of their top notch surgeons.
 
LECOM may be pretty easy to get into, but that just means we've got the hottest chicks and the toughest guys. 👍 Don't take my word for it, come for a visit.
 
I find it amusing that every time a new medical school opens up the applicants who have not yet been admitted are thrilled and current medical students and physicians are disappointed. One more demonstration that where you stand depends on where you sit!

People should bear in mind that we are facing a shortage of physicians in this country because of the aging of baby boomers and the fact that physicians don’t want to work 3,500 hours per year anymore. See the front page article in yesterdays Wall Street Journal.


I see absolutely no reason why medical students should have to bear the costs of improving hospitals or subsidizing research. The benefits of research and improved hospitals reach everyone not just students. Students have been stuck with these costs only because med schools have had a monopoly. If LECOM can train physicians at $30,000 per year, that is just fine with me.

I did my undergrad on a campus of 38,000 students and my daughter goes to a college with 1,400 students. She is receiving an undergraduate education that is infinitely better than mine. The prejudice I see among some posters against small liberal arts colleges is just pure nonsense.
 
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