oh my god. what is up with loma linda's application (vent)

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to all those considering Loma Linda. Be Aware

Why is the application process for this school so absurd!? Not only do they have a 7 essay questions (mostly about faith) there is observation hours forms, official transcripts directly to the school (AADSAS not good enough), letter from a clergy, AND a $45 background check on top of the $75 fee! Of course they only tell you all this AFTER you submit the application fee.

Man if i knew I had to do all this I would never have applied. this is ridiculous.

-venting complete-
 
haha apparently there is no mention of the $45 background check yet so ill hold off on that. because I will now need to wait a few more days (weeks maybe) for my priest to write a letter for me.

And their website is extremely unorganized. Im finding all these hidden requirements from inside links within links.

I am so frustrated with this school already hahah
 
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to all those considering Loma Linda. Be Aware

Why is the application process for this school so absurd!? Not only do they have a 7 essay questions (mostly about faith) there is observation hours forms, official transcripts directly to the school (AADSAS not good enough), letter from a clergy, AND a $45 background check on top of the $75 fee! Of course they only tell you all this AFTER you submit the application fee.

Man if i knew I had to do all this I would never have applied. this is ridiculous.

-venting complete-

Loma Linda did this last year also although I do not remember the $45 background check fee. Their website said nothing about the clergy letter and the mandatory observation hours. I sent in my $65 AADSAS fee not knowing this... and I abandoned my application because I didn't have any clergy member to write it for me. I was the only one I knew who was annoyed by it last year 😡

Anyway, good luck on your applications 👍
 
the clergy letter and the mandatory observation hours. 👍

So clergy letter is mandatory? I'm seriously considering a withdrawal...
I will probably check with the school tomorrow and withdraw if this is still true.
 
Research schools before applying - chances are, if an institution has mandatory weekly Mass attendance, they are keen on spiritually involved individuals. If you have no contact or relationship with a spiritual leader of any kind that can say a few words about you and don't do your research beforehand ... well, you really have only yourself to blame. If you're smart enough, you just learned a greater than $100 lesson.
 
Research schools before applying - chances are, if an institution has mandatory weekly Mass attendance, they are keen on spiritually involved individuals. If you have no contact or relationship with a spiritual leader of any kind that can say a few words about you and don't do your research beforehand ... well, you really have only yourself to blame. If you're smart enough, you just learned a greater than $100 lesson.


I knew those stuff, but I thought I heard somewhere that the clergy letter is only recommended not mandatory.
 
Can someone explain the observation hour thing to future applicants. Thanks.
 
I knew those stuff, but I thought I heard somewhere that the clergy letter is only recommended not mandatory.

Unless they changed the format of the secondary application, I don't think they were just throwing out a clergy letter as a possible idea. It was a requisite portion to send in, along with the shadowing hour verification sheet.
 
I got their email for secondary and bla bla........ but I made my descision already. I am withdrawing from this school. thats ok just waste of 65 dollars in AADSAS. but in other hand LLU is a privet school and they can have their own regulation. I had to research before choosing this school.
 
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Every year there are several threads about the LLU secondary, and every year people complain about the same stuff.

Have any of you seen UCLA or UCSF's secondaries? They are almost as detailed as the AADSAS app., plus they require their own set of transcripts plus your HIGH SCHOOL transcript (at least UCLA). Talk about ridiculous...

LLU is a Seventh Day Adventist institution, and therefore all of their schools are founded upon that religion, which plays a very important role in their administration and their approach to education. There is mandatory weekly church attendance (note: this is not the same as participation), and yes, there are a number of questions that ask about the role of religion/spirituality in your life.

If you are not religious, your chances are slimmer but they still exist. You need to be able to show that you are respectful of religion in general, and especially the philosophy behind their mission. If you're a tolerant and respectful person who can get on board with their mission statement, even without subscribing to the "God" aspect of it, then you have a much better chance than someone who thinks that religion is some sort of fairy tale and thinks religious people are messed up in the head.

Every year people complain about the "required" letter from a pastor. Use your head, people. If you don't have a pastor because you are not religious, then obviously you can't provide that. So, being the (hopefully) smart future dentists that you are, you find something that will be an acceptable substitute, such as the person in charge of some volunteer work that you did, or community service activity. Basically, this person needs to attest to your value system, just as a co-worker would attest to your work ethic, and a professor would speak for your studiousness.

Stats and numbers are not the top priority for the adcom at LLU. Just as some schools out there (like ASDOH) are well known for wanting applicants with interest and experience in public health, LLU wants people who can look at the patient as a whole, as a person, and heal from a whole person perspective, while, of course, healing the oral malady. It's difficult to explain from a non-religious perspective, but for someone who believes in God (especially Christians), it's about viewing the patient as a child of God, made in His image and likeness, and therefore is deserving of your respect and the best care you can give, from every angle.

Instead of complaining about how much work the application is (which is NOTHING compared to the work you will have to do once in dental school), you should sit down and think about why they might want certain things, and what you can do if you don't exactly fit their profile to make yourself an outstanding applicant.

But then again, if you really don't want to go through with it, there are plenty of applicants out there who would be more than happy to see you drop out of contention for the school they really want.


Observation hours = required 20 or 30 (not sure what it is now for LLU) hours spent shadowing/observing a dentist.
 
So clergy letter is mandatory? I'm seriously considering a withdrawal...
I will probably check with the school tomorrow and withdraw if this is still true.


Myth...

They said a clergy/pastor LOE is required...but its not really. I didn't have a clergy/pastor LOE and I still got an interview. It's more of a "strongly recommended".
 
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Myth...

They said a clergy/pastor LOE is required...but its not really. I didn't have a clergy/pastor LOE and I still got an interview. It's more of a "strongly recommended".

Really? I will still call and ask them tomorrow, but if what you are saying is true, I won't withdraw. 😉

I guess it's similar to Columbia's 3 letters from science professors requirement.
 
That Guy,

I'm sorry to hear about that, but your post's attitude put a smile on my face. Thanks.
 
Really? I will still call and ask them tomorrow, but if what you are saying is true, I won't withdraw. 😉

I guess it's similar to Columbia's 3 letters from science professors requirement.

Yes, really. Last year I just answered the essay questions and mailed it back. Within 2-3 weeks I received a package in the mail inviting me to an interview.
 
Myth...

They said a clergy/pastor LOE is required...but its not really. I didn't have a clergy/pastor LOE and I still got an interview. It's more of a "strongly recommended".



FACT:
"Letters of recommendation submitted to AADSAS will meet this requirement. One letter from a clergy/spiritual leader is required."
from the supp. website. Cindy said that once you are interviewed and further evaluated, then the clergy LoR is used. so maybe its only required after an interview?

anyway, its not a big deal, i have a pastor who will write it for me. what ticks me off is how we find this out AFTER we start the supplemental application. there is no telling how long it will take my non-american pastor to write a decent letter for me.

you need at least 20 hours (10 in general) but most of you should have 100s so asking a few dentists to sign shouldnt be a problem

and Lemon, I havent asked about the 45$ drug test fee (ive bothered the admissions ladies enough in the last 2 days) but after submitting the application there is a website with instructions on how to file for and submit a pee test. it's probably for after you are accepted

Anyway, im just saying how deceiving the application process is for LLU. I was angry the other day because of all the running around i had to go through just for LL's application. now that it is done. im cool. off to play some golf
 
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FACT:
"Letters of recommendation submitted to AADSAS will meet this requirement. One letter from a clergy/spiritual leader is required."
from the supp. website. Cindy said that once you are interviewed and further evaluated, then the clergy LoR is used. so maybe its only required after an interview?

anyway, its not a big deal, i have a pastor who will write it for me. what ticks me off is how we find this out AFTER we start the supplemental application. there is no telling how long it will take my non-american pastor to write a decent letter for me.

you need at least 20 hours (10 in general) but most of you should have 100s so asking a few dentists to sign shouldnt be a problem

and Lemon, I havent asked about the 45$ drug test fee (ive bothered the admissions ladies enough in the last 2 days) but after submitting the application there is a website with instructions on how to file for and submit a pee test. it's probably for after you are accepted

Anyway, im just saying how deceiving the application process is for LLU. I was angry the other day because of all the running around i had to go through just for LL's application. now that it is done. im cool. off to play some golf


guess maybe im the exception then. i didn't submit a clergy/pastor LOE and i got an interview and acceptance. :clap:
 
haha apparently there is no mention of the $45 background check yet so ill hold off on that. because I will now need to wait a few more days (weeks maybe) for my priest to write a letter for me.

And their website is extremely unorganized. Im finding all these hidden requirements from inside links within links.

I am so frustrated with this school already hahah

they want the background check with the secondary app now? I didn't have to do it until I was accepted.

FACT:
"Letters of recommendation submitted to AADSAS will meet this requirement. One letter from a clergy/spiritual leader is required."
from the supp. website. Cindy said that once you are interviewed and further evaluated, then the clergy LoR is used. so maybe its only required after an interview?

anyway, its not a big deal, i have a pastor who will write it for me. what ticks me off is how we find this out AFTER we start the supplemental application. there is no telling how long it will take my non-american pastor to write a decent letter for me.

you need at least 20 hours (10 in general) but most of you should have 100s so asking a few dentists to sign shouldnt be a problem

and Lemon, I havent asked about the 45$ drug test fee (ive bothered the admissions ladies enough in the last 2 days) but after submitting the application there is a website with instructions on how to file for and submit a pee test. it's probably for after you are accepted

Anyway, im just saying how deceiving the application process is for LLU. I was angry the other day because of all the running around i had to go through just for LL's application. now that it is done. im cool. off to play some golf



Do you guys know if they require this before or after you are accepted? I would hate to give them an extra 45$ upfront and then not get accepted... Plus one says drug test the other background check? Which one is it? Or do we do both and have to pay $45 for both??? 😕
 
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If it isn't on their website or in the secondary app instructions, you don't need to worry about it, unless you receive some specific instructions from them. Don't believe everything you read here. When in doubt, call or email.
 
alright, so i just got off the phone with cyndi and got alot of things cleared up. the $45 fee is for AFTER you get accepted (you have to file a drug test from another website blah blah)

The letter from a clergy member is not required, but "highly encouraged". as long as you have all the supp. fee paid and essays written, DAT scores, and 3 letters of recommendation then they will start reviewing. Clergy letters are read after interviews or for more information on the applicants (probably for those on the bubble)

hope that clears things up
(and the $45 background check is not mentioned anywhere until you submit the 75$ fee.)
 
Started a bit of advanced box packing, and came across my old Loma Linda Secondary.

Here is the part of the secondary that requests letters of recommendations - verbatim.

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4. Recommendations/References
Each applicant is required to provide three references (members of an
applicant's family are excluded).

* Science Instructor or Pre Professional Committee is desirable
* Minister/Clergy
* Employer/Professional

These letters of recommendation may be provided through AADSAS or
sent directly to LLUSD.

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Maybe I misread that, but I assumed that they required each of three, not a combination to fill the required 3.