How is the Navy, AF and army Officer training like? (HPSP)

robgarcia · Oct 25, 2009

I just wanted to know about the physical training for HPSP guys in the officer training school at all three divisions(Navy, Army and AF). Another thing I would like to know is: Do any of the benefits offered change? and besides physical training, what else do they do?

PD.
What do you do in the other ADTs (Active Duty Tours)?
45 days doing what?

Perrotfish · Oct 25, 2009

I just wanted to know about the physical training for HPSP guys in the officer training school at all three divisions(Navy, Army and AF).

A joke. The bottom 20% will have serious problems running a mile. Ideally, though, you want to make sure you come in meeting the minimum standard PFT for your branch of service or they're going to eat into your free time by making you do extra PT in the afternoons.

Another thing I would like to know is: Do any of the benefits offered change

Not sure what this means
?

and besides physical training, what else do they do?

Death by powerpoint. 90% of your basic training will consist of boring presentations in dimly lit classrooms. You'll also have them create dental records (reassuring!), fit you for uniforms, have inspections in the aforementioned uniforms, and of course you'll get to march, march, march.

PD.

What do you do in the other ADTs (Active Duty Tours)?
45 days doing what?

ADT # 2: You either take school orders (get paid to do nothing) or you go do somthing cool (Marine Corpsman school, Dive research, etc.). ADT #3 and #4: you rotate in military hospitals and audition for your residency of choice.

inquirer89 · Oct 26, 2009

Any opportunity to learn basic weapons training?

Perrotfish · Oct 26, 2009

Any opportunity to learn basic weapons training?

Army yes, Navy no, AF IDK.

MSS07 · Oct 26, 2009

How was the Marine Corpsman school? It seems pretty cool, would you have to be able to pass the marine pt.

Jolie South · Oct 26, 2009

inquirer89 said:
Any opportunity to learn basic weapons training?

That's a definite no for the AF.

inquirer89 · Oct 26, 2009

Jolie South said:
That's a definite no for the AF.

Are there opportunities (like continuing education or the like) to sign up for classes on the base that teach these things? I hope to learn how to fire a weapon properly and to learn a martial art if I join.

Perrotfish · Oct 27, 2009

Are there opportunities (like continuing education or the like) to sign up for classes on the base that teach these things? I hope to learn how to fire a weapon properly and to learn a martial art if I join.

Is waiting for the military to teach you these things might not be the best strategy? You live in the United States of America. Wherever you live, there is a range and an MMA gym that's no more than 30 minutes away.

Jolie South · Oct 27, 2009

inquirer89 said:
Are there opportunities (like continuing education or the like) to sign up for classes on the base that teach these things? I hope to learn how to fire a weapon properly and to learn a martial art if I join.

There's no time for that during COT.

inquirer89 · Oct 27, 2009

Perrotfish said:
Is waiting for the military to teach you these things might not be the best strategy? You live in the United States of America. Wherever you live, there is a range and an MMA gym that's no more than 30 minutes away.

I understand that. Just seems crazy to me you can become a medical officer without learning how to fire a gun.

Jolie South said:
There's no time for that during COT.

I meant once on assignment and done with COT.

dru2002 · Oct 27, 2009

inquirer89 said:
I understand that. Just seems crazy to me you can become a medical officer without learning how to fire a gun.

That's what Marines are for. Believe me to become a proficient shot in a combat setting takes thousands and thousands of rounds. As an MO you will have far better things to do with your time.

Jolie South · Oct 27, 2009

inquirer89 said:
I understand that. Just seems crazy to me you can become a medical officer without learning how to fire a gun.

Well, according the Geneva conventions, we're technically non-combatants, though they're no longer suited for the conflicts that we're in today against non-state entities.

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tulane06 · Oct 28, 2009

dru2002 said:
That's what Marines are for. Believe me to become a proficient shot in a combat setting takes thousands and thousands of rounds. As an MO you will have far better things to do with your time.

MOs don't need to become expert shots, but a basic proficiency should be taught for self-defense in all services IMO. There are no longer clear front-lines in war. The Navy and AF are doing their officers a disservice by not teaching them basic weapons skills.

dru2002 · Oct 28, 2009

tulane06 said:
MOs don't need to become expert shots, but a basic proficiency should be taught for self-defense in all services IMO. There are no longer clear front-lines in war. The Navy and AF are doing their officers a disservice by not teaching them basic weapons skills.

Navy does that level of training at FMSO and there are additional opportunities to become pistol and rifle qual'ed once you get to your unit.

http://www.pendleton.usmc.mil/schools/fmtb/fmso.asp

Jolie South · Oct 28, 2009

tulane06 said:
MOs don't need to become expert shots, but a basic proficiency should be taught for self-defense in all services IMO. There are no longer clear front-lines in war. The Navy and AF are doing their officers a disservice by not teaching them basic weapons skills.

They do teach you the skills before you deploy. It's just not a part of COT.

tulane06 · Oct 28, 2009

Jolie South said:
They do teach you the skills before you deploy. It's just not a part of COT.

Ah OK, better than nothing I guess.

pgg · Oct 28, 2009

MSS07 said:
How was the Marine Corpsman school? It seems pretty cool, would you have to be able to pass the marine pt.

Navy docs who go serve on the green side take an abridged version of the Field Med Service School course FMF Corpsman all take. It's shorter and easier. When I did it, we took the Marine PT test for giggles, but there were no consequences for failing. On another day, the physicians started off on a hike with the Corpsmen ... we stopped after an hour or so in order to go do more Powerpoint while they kept going a few more hours.

Jolie South said:
Well, according the Geneva conventions, we're technically non-combatants, though they're no longer suited for the conflicts that we're in today against non-state entities.

Even in conflicts with uniformed enemies, non-combatants can carry defensive weapons and still retain all of their Geneva Convention protections. Handguns and shotguns are considered defensive weapons. When you deploy, you'll get a 9mm Beretta and about 15 minutes of training with it. (Good luck getting your hands on a shotgun though.)

Perrotfish said:
Is waiting for the military to teach you these things might not be the best strategy? You live in the United States of America. Wherever you live, there is a range and an MMA gym that's no more than 30 minutes away.

Amen to that. Every American who's not a felon ought to own at least one gun and be comfortable using it.

mslall · Oct 28, 2009

army: its hot. As far as weapons training you get trained how to assemble and disassemble an m9 and m16. You only get a few chances to mess around with the m9, you carry an m16 with you all 3 weeks of field training, so how much you take it apart and put it back together is up to you. you'll get to fire to zero your weapon, fire a 40 target round on the rifle range, and fire a round on the m9 range. They don't qual. you on the m16; you get a scorecard for the m9.

MSS07 · Oct 28, 2009

pgg said:
Navy docs who go serve on the green side take an abridged version of the Field Med Service School course FMF Corpsman all take. It's shorter and easier. When I did it, we took the Marine PT test for giggles, but there were no consequences for failing. On another day, the physicians started off on a hike with the Corpsmen ... we stopped after an hour or so in order to go do more Powerpoint while they kept going a few more hours.
.

Pgg, so you did this training during one of your summers? Which summer in med school did you fit in?

Perrotfish · Oct 29, 2009

kingcer0x · Oct 29, 2009

Don't worry, the AF will qualify medical types on weapons if you're going somewhere where you'll need it. You're better off waiting until you actually start AD versus letting your skill atrophy in med school.

grotto · Oct 30, 2009

Would it be terribly uncouth to carry one of these on each hip in a medical setting overseas? The M9 just isn't flashy enough for me...

dru2002 · Oct 30, 2009

grotto said:
Would it be terribly uncouth to carry one of these on each hip in a medical setting overseas? The M9 just isn't flashy enough for me...

Nothing says medical officer like a 50 cal.

pgg · Oct 31, 2009

MSS07 said:
Pgg, so you did this training during one of your summers? Which summer in med school did you fit in?

FMSS isn't a med student rotation. Post internship, GMOs who are assigned to the Marines go there for 2 weeks of class before reporting to their units.

grotto said:
Would it be terribly uncouth to carry one of these on each hip in a medical setting overseas? The M9 just isn't flashy enough for me...

Heh, it's too bad you can't take personal weapons along ...

Perrotfish · Nov 1, 2009

FMSS isn't a med student rotation. Post internship, GMOs who are assigned to the Marines go there for 2 weeks of class before reporting to their units.

I'm pretty sure it can be a med student rotation if you want something to do in between second and third year.

pgg · Nov 1, 2009

Perrotfish said:
I'm pretty sure it can be a med student rotation if you want something to do in between second and third year.

Hmm. I can't imagine why someone would want to do that. But I believe you. 🙂

NavyFP · Nov 1, 2009

pgg said:
FMSS isn't a med student rotation. Post internship, GMOs who are assigned to the Marines go there for 2 weeks of class before reporting to their units.

Heh, it's too bad you can't take personal weapons along ...

Med students can do FMSS, but it takes a lot of coordination and it has to align with class schedules.

Perrotfish · Nov 2, 2009

Hmm. I can't imagine why someone would want to do that. But I believe you.

I think the idea is that some students want to use their second AT to get a little taste of the 'real' military. I had one friend do the marine corps thing and another one go off and do some sort of dive research. I'm currently begging to spend two weeks on an amphib, which the office assures me is possible though not necessarily probable. At USUHS they even send a couple of students off to spend the summer on the Comfort, which is friggin amazing.

MSS07 · Nov 5, 2009

pgg said:
Hmm. I can't imagine why someone would want to do that. But I believe you. 🙂

Hey Pgg, Just wondering why you can't imagine why someone would want to do the Medical corpsmen (FMSS) training? Did you have a bad experience? I am just curious because I am trying to figure out what I should do for my ADT's. Thanks.

MSS07 · Nov 5, 2009

Personally I agree with previous post, I think it would be kind of fun to get a taste for the "real military."

dru2002 · Nov 5, 2009

MSS07 said:
Hey Pgg, Just wondering why you can't imagine why someone would want to do the Medical corpsmen (FMSS) training? Did you have a bad experience? I am just curious because I am trying to figure out what I should do for my ADT's. Thanks.

MSS07 said:
Personally I agree with previous post, I think it would be kind of fun to get a taste for the "real military."

Having gone through FMSS as a corpsman I can tell you that is most certainly not the "real military". It is a training command. Not particularly hard but not much fun either. The whole yelling for no reason and inspections and all that. Perhaps FMSO is different and gives a better tast of what the military is really like.

I don't know how it works for HPSP but if you can get a rotation with a Marine unit or aboard a ship that would be a much better experience in my opinion.

pgg · Nov 12, 2009

MSS07 said:
Hey Pgg, Just wondering why you can't imagine why someone would want to do the Medical corpsmen (FMSS) training?

Because it was lame. Physicians don't do the same FMF course the Corpsmen do. As I mentioned in my previous post, we got an abridged version heavy on the PowerPoint and light on the outdoorsy stuff.

I felt bored in the classroom, and I felt like a poguey officer schmuck when the MDs cut out of the hump many miles early to go back to the classroom while the Corpsmen kept hiking.

That said, it would certainly be preferable to another ward month ...

MSS07 said:
Did you have a bad experience? I am just curious because I am trying to figure out what I should do for my ADT's. Thanks.

No, my experience wasn't bad, just uninteresting. It was nice to get away from the hospital, especially coming out of internship, but I would've preferred to go straight to my battalion. And as it was, my chief taught me more useful stuff in the first couple days of OJT than the whole FMSS course.

pgg · Nov 12, 2009

dru2002 said:
I don't know how it works for HPSP but if you can get a rotation with a Marine unit or aboard a ship that would be a much better experience in my opinion.

Yeah, see if you can do something with a line unit that doesn't involve even the slightest bit of medicine.

MSS07 · Nov 12, 2009

pgg said:
And as it was, my chief taught me more useful stuff in the first couple days of OJT than the whole FMSS course.

what is OJT? So are you doing a GMO with the Marines? How is it so far?

dru2002 · Nov 13, 2009

MSS07 said:
what is OJT? So are you doing a GMO with the Marines? How is it so far?

OJT= on the job training.

Kallistos · Nov 24, 2009

When **** hits the fan, doctors will use their powerpoint training, guns blazing, and vanquish the enemy.

Physicians...The last line of defense.

"If I need an M16 there will be plenty laying around."

...these random thoughts popped into my line...umm carry on with your discussion :wtf:

NavyFP · Nov 24, 2009

Kallistos said:
When **** hits the fan, doctors will use their powerpoint training, guns blazing, and vanquish the enemy.

Physicians...The last line of defense.

"If I need an M16 there will be plenty laying around."

...these random thoughts popped into my line...umm carry on with your discussion

We always say that if the docs have to start shooting, its game over.

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