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So, quick question. I did not pass my first aPFT and was flagged. Since then, I was put on a temp profile for medical workup of symptoms with ANY type of prolonged activity. (The medical workup so far has shown some abnormalities).

Any way, my program requires passage of an aPFT prior to promotion to PGY2. My profile ends in early APril (60 days) and my recovery period ends sometime in early July (90 days recover), after the deadline.

I asked my PD what happens in a situation where someone is flagged-on-profile which doesn't expire until after the deadline. He didn't know as he has never encountered this before. Any of you guys have any idea? His suggestion was that, if medically everything pans out to be alright, I request to take the aPFT during the recovery phase before the deadline and just be done with it so we don't find out.

For those who just fail without any profile or anything, we're told you are not promoted and are made a GMO to serve out your time. (that's the threat anyway). Not sure how likely this is to happen, especially if someone has done will during internship and has passed boards and all that.
 
Why can't you pass the PFT? The standards are very low. If you can't pass the PFT due to a medical condition you should be medically boarded out.

This may sound harsh but I'm trying to help you out. Go to the gym out in town and get a personal trainer.
 
IgD said:
Why can't you pass the PFT? The standards are very low. If you can't pass the PFT due to a medical condition you should be medically boarded out.

This may sound harsh but I'm trying to help you out. Go to the gym out in town and get a personal trainer.
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but don't give yourself Rhabdo...we had an intern give himself rhabdo and have to get admitted to his medicine team
 
IgD said:
Why can't you pass the PFT? The standards are very low. If you can't pass the PFT due to a medical condition you should be medically boarded out.

This may sound harsh but I'm trying to help you out. Go to the gym out in town and get a personal trainer.
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Not the most helpful advice. OP, check FM 21-20 for further guidance. If your injury is severe enough you may be able to participate in an alternate exercise, but I'm pretty sure the injury would need to warrant a permanent profile. If this is not the case you are pretty much screwed and will have to wait until you pass the APFT before the flag is removed. AR 600-8-2 paragraph 1-13c reads: “Failure to pass the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) or failure to take the APFT within the required period. Remove the flag (code E/type report) on the day the soldier passes the APFT or at expiration term of service (ETS) / expiration of service agreement (ESA)/mandatory release date (MRD).
 
They threaten to not let people graduate every year if they don't pass the APFT. I think most of the time they end up being idle threats, but you never know when they'll decide to get serious about it.

The lesson here is that if you have a medical condition that will prevent you from passing a record APFT, then you shouldn't take the APFT in the first place. It's much better to get a profile and not take it than to be in the OP's situation. Most people hand out profiles like they're nothing, so it really shouldn't be an issue getting one prospectively. If you're not sure whether or not you'll pass, then grab an NCO and do a diagnostic. Or hell, just do a self test; it's pretty easy to do.

Short of doing permanent damage to yourself, find a way to take and pass the APFT, alternate event or otherwise, before your internship is finished. If you have a legitimate diagnosis that would prevent you from doing so, then push the work-up to try to find the diagnosis well before 30 June. Otherwise, just cross your fingers and hope they don't send you to GMO land.
 
colbgw02 said:
Short of doing permanent damage to yourself, find a way to take and pass the APFT, alternate event or otherwise, before your internship is finished. If you have a legitimate diagnosis that would prevent you from doing so, then push the work-up to try to find the diagnosis well before 30 June. Otherwise, just cross your fingers and hope they don't send you to GMO land.
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This is the same guy who was flipping out - absolutely losing his **** - about flunking Step III - which he now states he passed easily.

This is also the guy who posted some years ago:

HooahDOc said:
Was the guy on his way to his first class? I have training in Tae Kwon Do, Kenpo, Wing Chun, and Kali, but currently train exclusively in Jeet Kune Do/Jun Fan, maybe you've heard of it? The JKD/JF basics I was taught are rooted heavily in Muay Thai. My sifu was ceritifed under and taught the system of Dan Inosanto.
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In this thread, where he went on to state he would kick the ass of certain people in unarmed combat.

Something doesn't jive - he states he's martial artist extraordinaire, trained in 5 disciplines, and now can't pass the APFT. He was medically qualified to be commissioned, so what's up?
 
If you fail the PFT in internship it is setting a precedent and it will damage your reputation. My advice is figure out a way to get it done.
 
Word on the street is that as of last year, they got really serious about the threat to send ppl to GMO for not passing APFT. Looks like your safe options are to find a problem that warrants a permanent profile or take and pass the APFT before the deadline. Otherwise, you're rolling the dice...
Good luck...
 
HooahDOc said:
Nobody has really answered the question though. What if someone is in the recovery phase of a profile that extends beyond the deadline to pass?
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The simple answer is this. You have failed a PFT for the record. You are medically waived from a make up which would allow you to "correct" the record although the failure will stand as part of your file. The letter of the law is that you must have passed the PFT to continue on in residency, so they should send you out to GMO land. Being in the recovery period does not erase the failure. While your command cannot force you to retake the PFT during the recovery period, you can voluntarily take it.

Hate to be evil, but if I were your program director(or head of hospital GME), I would be sending you off the to operational world. GME-2 is not a right but a priviledge and standards should be maintained. Passing the PFT is a known requirement. Considering the late date, you would not likely get a choice spot.
 
HooahDOc said:
I was put on a temp profile for medical workup of symptoms with ANY type of prolonged activity.

Any way, my program requires passage of an aPFT prior to promotion to PGY2. My profile ends in early APril (60 days) and my recovery period ends sometime in early July (90 days recover), after the deadline.

I asked my PD what happens in a situation where someone is flagged-on-profile which doesn't expire until after the deadline. For those who just fail without any profile or anything, we're told you are not promoted and are made a GMO to serve out your time. (that's the threat anyway). Not sure how likely this is to happen, especially if someone has done will during internship and has passed boards and all that.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think you can be taking record APFT on a tempory profile. In any case my recommendation is to take the PT and pass it during recovery period. Your answer is easily can be found in the latest miliary pubs.
 
Did you get the email yesterday? Looks like options are to get a profile that extends beyond 30Jun, pass Apft, or be put on leave of absence in hopes that you pass by 30sept.
 
StarboardMD said:
Did you get the email yesterday? Looks like options are to get a profile that extends beyond 30Jun, pass Apft, or be put on leave of absence in hopes that you pass by 30sept.
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Yeah I saw it. Not as strict as I expected it to be. I don't see why people can't pass by 30 SEP. The LOA is with pay from what I hear from people put on one last year. Supposedly a good chunk of last year's interns couldn't pass an APFT.

Did you see the penalty for not passing Step 3? They won't let you actually graduate your intern year without having passed it. I'm not sure how they can actually do that but whatever. I don't remember seeing that requirement in any of the contracts.
 
HooahDOc said:
Supposedly a good chunk of last year's interns couldn't pass an APFT.
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This floors me. When I was an intern I had to take the Army PFT. I was in an Army program and the PD expected the Navy personnel to participate in the PFT. It was more of an espirit de corps thing demonstrating we were all being held to the same standard. But whatever. We were all working 100 hour weeks and had little to no time to PT, but we all passed it. I am by no stretch of the imagination an athlete, but the standards are not that stringent.

I should not say I am surprised. The number of new interns we have sent to training that were bordering on BCA failure (or over) should be an indication.

Oh well.
 
NavyFP said:
This floors me. When I was an intern I had to take the Army PFT. I was in an Army program and the PD expected the Navy personnel to participate in the PFT. It was more of an espirit de corps thing demonstrating we were all being held to the same standard. But whatever. We were all working 100 hour weeks and had little to no time to PT, but we all passed it. I am by no stretch of the imagination an athlete, but the standards are not that stringent.

I should not say I am surprised. The number of new interns we have sent to training that were bordering on BCA failure (or over) should be an indication.

Oh well.
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Well, to their credit they all eventually passed before the deadline. There are PGY2s and up who haven't passed an APFT in over a year, knowing nothing can really be done about it aside from referred OERs (and most do not plan to stay in so have no reason to care). This year most of the people who did not pass were in medicine or surgery, which makes sense.

I also don't think running 2 miles in 17 minutes or less is a pretty simple task. You need time to train for something like that, and time is something most of us don't have. It's a bit baffling that passage of a PT test is a requirement for residency but no time is alotted to meet this requirement.
 
HooahDOc said:
Well, to their credit they all eventually passed before the deadline. There are PGY2s and up who haven't passed an APFT in over a year, knowing nothing can really be done about it aside from referred OERs (and most do not plan to stay in so have no reason to care). This year most of the people who did not pass were in medicine or surgery, which makes sense.

I also don't think running 2 miles in 17 minutes or less is a pretty simple task. You need time to train for something like that, and time is something most of us don't have. It's a bit baffling that passage of a PT test is a requirement for residency but no time is alotted to meet this requirement.
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Run like years in the sandbox are chasing you. Puke later.
 
HooahDOc said:
Well, to their credit they all eventually passed before the deadline. There are PGY2s and up who haven't passed an APFT in over a year, knowing nothing can really be done about it aside from referred OERs (and most do not plan to stay in so have no reason to care). This year most of the people who did not pass were in medicine or surgery, which makes sense.

I also don't think running 2 miles in 17 minutes or less is a pretty simple task. You need time to train for something like that, and time is something most of us don't have. It's a bit baffling that passage of a PT test is a requirement for residency but no time is alotted to meet this requirement.
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1. 8:30 min/mi is very slow. There are few nonorthopedic medical conditions which in someone in the 20's would keep you from passing. Bottom line if you probably are out of shape and don't have a medical issue, even asthma treated shouldn't hold you back to that degree.
2. Passing is a requirement - get over you difficulty understanding this - you are in the Army not Mass General
3. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are in Hawaii (great weather for running year round), and are a Psych Intern (not exactly the worst work schedule) so the "I don't have time" thing doesn't fly - you Don't want to make time.
Plus you have the limited work hours that none in my year group had.
4. Your screen name is Hooah doc? This whole string is decidedly not Hooah.
 
a1qwerty55 said:
1. 8:30 min/mi is very slow. There are few nonorthopedic medical conditions which in someone in the 20's would keep you from passing. Bottom line if you probably are out of shape and don't have a medical issue, even asthma treated shouldn't hold you back to that degree.
2. Passing is a requirement - get over you difficulty understanding this - you are in the Army not Mass General
3. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are in Hawaii (great weather for running year round), and are a Psych Intern (not exactly the worst work schedule) so the "I don't have time" thing doesn't fly - you Don't want to make time.
Plus you have the limited work hours that none in my year group had.
4. Your screen name is Hooah doc? This whole string is decidedly not Hooah.
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Wow . . . you get the prize for the most common-sense-tell-it-like-it-is post of the year! :laugh:
 
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