Third time... need advice...discouraged

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I am to be a third time applicant (two late applications)... and I am seeking some advice before I shell out another 2 grand on an application cycle. Here are my stats...

3.8 cGPA
3.7 BCPM
State school
three MCATs
27 (first application)
28 (second application)
Low 30s (second application)

Do I need to take the MCAT again? I'm terrified that I will get a lower score... but if necessary, I can study all year and take it early next year for the following cycle if needed.

...or, could the reason why I did not get accepted because of a later application? Will applying early, in my case, make all the difference?

I appreciate anyone's feedback.
 
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I am to be a third time applicant... and I am seeking some advice before I shell out another 2 grand on an application cycle. Here are my stats...

3.8 cGPA
3.7 BCPM
state school

and what hurts....

three MCATs

27Q (8V, 10P, 9B)
=> Applied, 1 interview, 1 waitlist, no acceptance

28Q (8V, 10P, 10B)
30Q (11V, 9P, 10B)
=> Applied, 3 LATE interviews, two holds which turned into no acceptances and a rejection

I studied for this exam the best I could, using all the time I had free, and for some reason -- I just can't beat it. I'm so amazed by those who can just knock the test out of the park... there's something you have that I don't.

With that said, everything else is fantastic. I've been doing research full-time since graduating college (three years) which have lead to a couple of presentations, one publication and another publication in revisions at a top journal. I currently work at a top academic hospital in a translational environment where I get to spend time in the clinic as well as at the bench.

Letters are incredible. They are from a variety of different sources... clinical, humanities, professors... I've read a few of them and they almost bring me to tears because they are so great... Mainly because it makes me think that here I am...with all of this amazing support and people who have confidence in me... and I still can't get my foot in the door. So invariably, I think that there's something seriously wrong with me.

With all this said... the two times I applied, I submitted my applications late. This is due to the timing of my MCATs. My highest score, the 30, was from the last September exam, causing me to have to send out my secondaries in early to mid October.

I guess my question really boils down to this...

Do I need to take the MCAT again? I'm terrified that I will get a lower score... but if necessary, I can study all year and take it early next year for the following cycle if needed.

...or, could the reason why I did not get accepted this year be (mainly) because of a later application? Will applying early, in my case, make all the difference?

Also of note... I applied to about 15 schools...range of tiers -- however; I'm limited to big cities (particularly NYC) due to my significant other's career path.

Well, kind of wrote this in a rant mode.... But, I think you get the idea. I appreciate anyone's feedback.
Your stats are very admirable. I would expect at least a few acceptances if you apply to about 10-15 schools (especially SUNY schools) early this cycle. Good luck and let us know how it goes!:luck:
 
I think the lateness of your application was the major problem for your 2nd application cycle. If you apply early this cycle I think you have a decent chance of getting an acceptance. I would not take the MCAT again because it is generally stated that it is looked down on in you take the test more than 3 times. I would also suggest looking at some DO schools as a backup plan.
 
Thank you for taking the time to give me feedback. I think I'm going to add another letter of recommendation... update my current work description...and apply again...early.

If anyone has any other opinions, please chime in.

Can't believe I'm doing this AGAIN... My credit card balance is still recovering from the first time I applied...
 
With a 3.8/30, assuming ALL the usual and customary ECs, unless you have poor interview skills, or an unmentioned legal issue, it is reasonable to predict great improvement in your chances if you apply early. You are, however, by no means a shoo-in. I agree with waterpolo that including some DO schools would markedly decrease the chances of a 4th application season.

You didn't mention physician shadowing, teaching, or leadership. Did you have an activty to list for those?
 
I am going to tell you something you might not like to hear here...

A 3.8/30 with so few interviews when applying to a range of tiers probably means you have a red flag somewhere...a poorly written PS? maybe ONE of your LORs raised a red flag? In your case, you *must* call whatever school that interviewed and rejected you on what was it that made them reject you.
 
With a 3.8/30, assuming ALL the usual and customary ECs, unless you have poor interview skills, or an unmentioned legal issue, it is reasonable to predict great improvement in your chances if you apply early. You are, however, by no means a shoo-in. I agree with waterpolo that including some DO schools would markedly decrease the chances of a 4th application season.

You didn't mention physician shadowing, teaching, or leadership. Did you have an activty to list for those?
Thank you for your insight. No legal issues. I have physician shadowing and a letter of rec from the MD. This was only for a short period of time (couple months), so this year I have been shadowing and will continue to shadow another. She said she would provide me with another strong rec in the coming weeks.

Was a TA, so have teaching experience... As for leadership... formally, not too much. I was never the president/leader of any club/organization... but I was involved in a lot of things that carried responsibility and felt like leadership roles.

Also of note is that I applied to MD/PhD programs. Two out of three of my interviews were for combined programs. They each had many interviews... and I think I did well, but it's difficult to gauge because there were so many. Felt that some definitely went better than others... Also, my gut feeling is that I might have sold myself short in some interviews...it's kind of a part of my personality... a little goofy...overly modest... I need to throw that out the window... Having gone through them, I know I will be able to carry myself better... and I have people that have offered to mock interview me. But really, I didn't think I did THAT poorly.

Anyways, with regard to MedAdcomMD, I wrote to each of the programs asking how I could improve my application this year and mentioned what took me out of consideration. No response yet. Hopefully I will get a response before I submit my AMCAS.

My PS was unique... I'm guessing it was either the reader loved it or hated it...it was a little risky, but I wanted the reader to feel SOMETHING about me... ha.... and I felt it truly showed my personality. Regardless -- I was feeling inspired a couple nights ago and completely reworked it into something much less risky and I feel it captures everything I wanted to say in the first.

Thinking of my application choices, as I said earlier it is necessary for me to apply to schools only in larger cities (Seattle, NYC, California cities, Boston...etc) so even though I have a range of tiers...and although there are schools in each tier, they are in desirable areas... ?

And lastly...

Ideally, I want to do an MD/PhD program. There's no doubt in my mind. The question I have though, since I'm not a stellar applicant and these are perhaps more competitive (not completely sure, I understand it's complicated)... by applying to them, am I hurting my chances at MD? Although you are considered for MD alone for most of these programs... I have two concerns.

1. A delay in being reviewed by MD committee due to having to be reviewed by MD/PhD first
2. Is being rejected from the combined program hurtful to your MD chances?

Because really, I would be more than happy, since I want to do the combined, to apply MD and transfer into a program internally, or perhaps take a scholarly year off to go a more physician-scientist route, if applying MD/PhD would hurt me.

Yikes, been thinking about this a lot. Thanks again everyone who is trying to help... If I get in maybe I'll have some advice to offer to others someday. Ha.
 
I wrote to each of the programs asking how I could improve my application this year and mentioned what took me out of consideration. No response yet. Hopefully I will get a response before I submit my AMCAS.
I have never heard of someone getting a response to a written request. Call and make an appointment to speak with a dean by phone to get the needed feedback in a timely manner.
 
Apply to both MD and MD/PhD programs, preferably at different schools. With your research, you'll probably be attractive to programs if you apply really early (EARLY is the key, as MD/PhD programs usually have sent their acceptances before the last interview date--mine does). Low stats + applying late is pretty much a curse is MD/PhD applications. The 30 probably isn't too much of a red flag, especially if you apply to non-MSTPs, as well. Feel free to PM me about MD/PhD applications 🙂
 
Is it even worth applying to the more competitive schools in NYC considering my stats? It seems like I might be throwing money away.
 
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In the first 2 cycles, your low MCAT held you back. In the 3rd cycle, September MCAT is way late. I think you'll definitely have much better luck this cycle if you apply EARLY (June 1 AMCAS app, secondaries out within 72 hrs of their arrivals type early!) and BROADLY (bump that list from 15 schools to 30). Can't take any more chances since this is your 3rd cycle.

I would not retake the MCAT. Your score is perfectly fine, especially given your excellent grades. It has good parity (evenness) and your lowest section score was only a 9. No need to take it a 4th time, especially since, statistically, many people score lower on their repeat exam.

Call your waitlisted schools and ask them what you could have done better. I'll bet that the first thing out of their mouths will be, "well, your application was complete pretty late in the cycle and a lot of the seats were already full." I took an August MCAT and 2 schools said that exact thing to me.

Also apply to schools in smaller towns, and newer programs. Big city schools get THOUSANDS of applications which makes it really hard to get in sometimes. And no, MD/PhD is not necessarily more competitive; not everyone wants to spend the rest of their lives in school! 😛

Lastly, it's not over. Depending on the schools, there are some schools whose waitlists move quite a bit, until the first day of classes. Ask if you're at least close to the top and if the school historically has a lot of waitlist movement. :luck:
 
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