please give me advice on going to nursing school first or just push towards MD.

I'm a nursing student from a CC that is slated to finish in May next year, and I'm 21. If you ask me if I regret going to nursing school, I would say a big fat NO. Going to nursing school assured me of a job, more or less, that will pay me $35 as an entry-level nurse on a nursing residency program on any department aside from Ortho and OR (I'm drooling on either ICU or ED).

That being said, if I had to do it all over again, I would not do nursing and just do a basic science degree (biology, chemistry, etc.). Nursing is kicking my butt right now and my cGPA will go from 3.9 to a mere 3.45-3.5 by the time I finish nursing school next year. THAT will HURT your chances. Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test.

Nursing classes focus more on application of the knowledge and critical thinking, and more times than not, answers depend more on your instructors common sense than yours. It's really different from fact-base question like questions on biology, chemistry, etc. Believe me, I'm getting A's on all of them except for nursing classes. I even had a peek at Step-1 USMLE questions and they seem more straightforward (aka, more easy if you know all the things you need to know). In nursing, even if you memorized everything, nursing style questions would still kill you.

So, my advice would be to do a post-baccalaureate program (Masters, maybe?) and ace it. Stay away from nursing, and if you need clinical experience for a PA, NP, or medical school, there's always an EMT course.

P.S. - I'm very biased against nurse practitioner programs...

audqyee said:

I'm a nursing student from a CC that is slated to finish in May next year, and I'm 21. If you ask me if I regret going to nursing school, I would say a big fat NO. Going to nursing school assured me of a job, more or less, that will pay me $35 as an entry-level nurse on a nursing residency program on any department aside from Ortho and OR (I'm drooling on either ICU or ED).

That being said, if I had to do it all over again, I would not do nursing and just do a basic science degree (biology, chemistry, etc.). Nursing is kicking my butt right now and my cGPA will go from 3.9 to a mere 3.45-3.5 by the time I finish nursing school next year. THAT will HURT your chances. Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test.

Nursing classes focus more on application of the knowledge and critical thinking, and more times than not, answers depend more on your instructors common sense than yours. It's really different from fact-base question like questions on biology, chemistry, etc. Believe me, I'm getting A's on all of them except for nursing classes. I even had a peek at Step-1 USMLE questions and they seem more straightforward (aka, more easy if you know all the things you need to know). In nursing, even if you memorized everything, nursing style questions would still kill you.

So, my advice would be to do a post-baccalaureate program (Masters, maybe?) and ace it. Stay away from nursing, and if you need clinical experience for a PA, NP, or medical school, there's always an EMT course.

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Sounds to me like nursing isn't really teaching by the evidence, then, if you have to use your instructor's "common sense."

I know next to nothing about how nursing education works, but I find this interesting.

You should check out another thread via a quick search here about applying using prereqs from a CC. Some med schools won't accept CC credit, some will. No idea what the break-down is like overall, but I imagine this would greatly shape your application decisions.

"Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test."

Along these lines.... I agree with the above poster and its great advice. Made straight A's in nurisng pre-reqs..including microbiology + anatomies..only missed (one) question on a college algebra cumulative final. In nursing made an A in nutrition and pharm.. because the questions have answers that are scientific and make sense. Made straight B's in the actual nursing questions. Was told by clinical instructors "no one" could earn an A..we were just beginners..for the clinical portion. Nursing questions are so subjective as to the right answer. If you want to make more money..consider CNA? Waiting tables? If you KNOW you are smart enough to get in and make it through medical school..my suggestion is to avoid nursing alltogether. BTW I'm currently a RN.

Valadi said:

Sounds to me like nursing isn't really teaching by the evidence, then, if you have to use your instructor's "common sense."

I know next to nothing about how nursing education works, but I find this interesting.

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The evidence-based questions are present on NCLEX, but during our exams, the questions are made out from our instructor's mind so you really have to guess how the instructor thinks. Most of the time, the questions have all the right answers, you just have to choose which one is the best and sometimes which should be done first.

An example question that I disputed once went like this:
How do you assess a safe environment when conducting a home visit?
a. The door to the house is unlocked and open
b. There is dog chained next to the door

Obviously I chose A since leaving your door open means you trust the neighborhood, but through some vague explanation, our professor chose B.

The Kaplan NCLEX reviewers went to our school to do some infomercial and how they worded their questions seemed more consistent than our instructor's.

Edit- The example question above is worded differently and I just summarized it. A lot of my classmates also disputed how she came to her answer.

audqyee said:

The evidence-based questions are present on NCLEX, but during our exams, the questions are made out from our instructor's mind so you really have to guess how the instructor thinks. Most of the time, the questions have all the right answers, you just have to choose which one is the best and sometimes which should be done first.

An example question that I disputed once went like this:
How do you assess a safe environment when conducting a home visit?
a. The door to the house is unlocked and open
b. There is dog chained next to the door

Obviously I chose A since leaving your door open means you trust the neighborhood, but through some vague explanation, our professor chose B.

The Kaplan NCLEX reviewers went to our school to do some infomercial and how they worded their questions seemed more consistent than our instructor's.

Edit- The example question above is worded differently and I just summarized it. A lot of my classmates also disputed how she came to her answer.

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That sucks. In med school there's usually multiple nearly-correct questions, and 1 best answer. However, you can generally go back to a textbook, apply some deductive reasoning, and come back with 1 answer. Period. And if what they had on the exam was wrong, in my experience they've always dropped the question if someone pointed out the right answer.

Anyway, if some guy is going to say stuff, "there's no way to get an A because you're inexperienced," then that's not a place I'd want to go. What is up with these power trips? No $hit you're inexperienced, but you should be tested on stuff you're expected to know for that level.

Valadi said:

That sucks. In med school there's usually multiple nearly-correct questions, and 1 best answer. However, you can generally go back to a textbook, apply some deductive reasoning, and come back with 1 answer. Period. And if what they had on the exam was wrong, in my experience they've always dropped the question if someone pointed out the right answer.

Anyway, if some guy is going to say stuff, "there's no way to get an A because you're inexperienced," then that's not a place I'd want to go. What is up with these power trips? No $hit you're inexperienced, but you should be tested on stuff you're expected to know for that level.

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That's the reason why I yearned for the day when I'm done with all nursing classes and just get back to "traditional" classes and exams for premed. I think it's much to do with how our minds are wired to think and I think mine is incompatible with nursing. I have classmates who are just average in science classes but glowing in nursing.

As I said earlier, I went in to take a look at a Step-1 review book at Barnes and Nobles and they seemed more straightforward than nursing questions. Even a close family friend of ours (an MD) expressed frustration about nursing questions. 🙁

There's no way to avoid power trips if you're working with women (I'm a guy). The word lateral violence is notoriously associated with nurses.

This thread is all over the place. OP- CC credits are generally acceptable if you transfer to a 4 year college and take upper level bio/science to prove you can handle the rigor. This is going to be a problem at a large number of schools because your university gpa is 3.0ish. Many schools will look at your science gpa and ugpa and couple it with their preconceived notions that CC classes are easier and it will likely not help you. You have one chance to prove to them that it isn't the CC easiness and that is on the MCAT. You have to rock it. Unfortunately, if you don't do well, it is going to cast more doubt on all of your CC credits and it will look much worse.

Next, taking nursing microbio is NOT the same as regular microbio. Nursing sciences are often put on by the nursing department and not the bio department so aren't even considered sciences. Look into that, but they aren't upper level. In addition, they are still at the CC so you may run into the problems I explained above.

There is a huge shortage of nurses and taking the nursing classes and applying to med school isn't going to look good. It will look very bad. Med schools are going to wonder why the hell you took someone elses nursing school spot if you had no intention of working as a nurse. It is different if you go into nursing and realize you don't love it and go back to prereqs, but you took your prereqs first so you can't argue that angle. Going to nursing school to try to help with med school will end up hurting you.

You need to spend some time contacting schools and asking about the CC credits. Use that info to decide which path the pursue and go full bore. If nursing is a fall back, wait until you cannot get into med school.

audqyee said:

As I said earlier, I went in to take a look at a Step-1 review book at Barnes and Nobles and they seemed more straightforward than nursing questions. Even a close family friend of ours (an MD) expressed frustration about nursing questions. 🙁

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You say "seemed more straightforward" because you don't have the knowledge base to make that judgement. Neither do I and I only bring it up because I have heard board questions are very ambigous and difficult and you really need to know your stuff. Maybe someone who has actually taken the boards can weigh in.

Longboarder said:

"Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test."

Along these lines.... I agree with the above poster and its great advice. Made straight A's in nurisng pre-reqs..including microbiology + anatomies..only missed (one) question on a college algebra cumulative final. In nursing made an A in nutrition and pharm.. because the questions have answers that are scientific and make sense. Made straight B's in the actual nursing questions. Was told by clinical instructors "no one" could earn an A..we were just beginners..for the clinical portion. Nursing questions are so subjective as to the right answer. If you want to make more money..consider CNA? Waiting tables? If you KNOW you are smart enough to get in and make it through medical school..my suggestion is to avoid nursing alltogether. BTW I'm currently a RN.

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I wouldn't see it was always easy. Some clinical rotations and instructor/professors were just a plain pain in the arse. But that's with anything. . .

I didn't find the material terribly challenging; although at times, there can be a lot of it. But I enjoyed classes like microbiology a lot more. Three main areas of study where there is a lot less partying going on compared with other areas are nursing, pre-med, and engineering. These three seemed to call for a lot less downtime or screwing off.

Yes, this thread is leaning off-topic.
To the OP:
1) What do you REALLY want to be? If you don't really care that much, then you should go to nursing school. There are plenty of nurses and former nurses running around the hospital and other places doing important clinical and non-clinical work. You could easily be a leader within your dept, clinic, etc. If you don't have the fire in your belly to be the MD, then you shouldn't go MD, DO, or Carib. That horse has been beaten to death in other threads.

2) If you really want to be an MD, then you need to do what you need to do to get accepted. That means GPA GPA GPA and MCAT MCAT MCAT. Those are the gates to the doors.

3) Finances are tough for most students. Going to RN school is one way to improve that, but perhaps not the only way. Just because that is the door you see standing open doesn't mean it is the best door (but maybe it is? see point 1).

4) To help you with point 1). MD school and nursing school ARE very different, for many reasons beyond what the above posters have listed. You need to decide what you want to know, and what you want to do every day. As mentioned above, RNs learn about and do a lot of the every-day stuff MDs are clueless about. RNs also know enough about dosing, labs, and other details to save our butts on a regular basis. MDs rely heavily on them to report when a patient is getting worse, putting on a show for us, etc. RNs are frequently better at small procedures (whatever those are in their dept -in critical care, setting up drips, for ex)- than most residents and some attendings.
BUT, they are not as well prepared to see the big picture as an MD. Our job, first and foremost, is to keep an open mind and consider all of the million things that could be going on with a patient, even when "common sense" is telling me this is just a drunk guy who cut his arm, or whatever. You have to be capable of, and interested in being the person who thinks that way, because ultimately, if you don't think of it, it's you who needs a lawyer.
If you like medicine b/c you like to think about it, then MD. If you like medicine b/c you like to do stuff, I'd give RN a try.

FrkyBgStok said:

There is a huge shortage of nurses and taking the nursing classes and applying to med school isn't going to look good. It will look very bad. Med schools are going to wonder why the hell you took someone elses nursing school spot if you had no intention of working as a nurse. It is different if you go into nursing and realize you don't love it and go back to prereqs, but you took your prereqs first so you can't argue that angle. Going to nursing school to try to help with med school will end up hurting you.

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This is my first post ever on this forum and I do not agree with this. How do you know it will "look very bad"? In fact, I recently interviewed at at D.O school and they were impressed with my clinical experience during the interview. Everyone need a Bachelor in order to apply to med school (unless you're doing the 3+4), I don't think schools really care what you had done previously. If you gonna go up here to give someone advice, you have to at least been through the same situation in order to do so.

to OP - I took my bio and gen chem courses at a CC, went to a university and got my BSN there. Then went back to school to finish out the rest of my prereqs (o-chem, physics) while working a full time job and earning a stable income as a nurse. I applied this cycle and got accepted. Good luck on whatever path that you may choose.

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This is my first post ever on this forum and I do not agree with this. How do you know it will "look very bad"? In fact, I recently interviewed at at D.O school and they were impressed with my clinical experience during the interview. Everyone need a Bachelor in order to apply to med school (unless you're doing the 3+4), I don't think schools really care what you had done previously. If you gonna go up here to give someone advice, you have to at least been through the same situation in order to do so.

to OP - I took my bio and gen chem courses at a CC, went to a university and got my BSN there. Then went back to school to finish out the rest of my prereqs (o-chem, physics) while working a full time job and earning a stable income as a nurse. I applied this cycle and got accepted. Good luck on whatever path that you may choose.

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Did you even read my post? I flat out said your situation is acceptable. And I have been around here a long time, I don't need to be in the exact situation in order to have a good idea what the expectations are. Congrats on your acceptance, but I have seen a ridiculous number of threads about nurses who didn't make it.

My mom was a RN. Worked her way up until director of nursing position ...eventually administrator. She has a great career, great pay, great stability. She still says that she wishes she went for what she really wanted, to be a M.D. She wishes she never shoved it aside.

She went nurse because she had me. She didn't think it was feasible since she was a mother. She regrets it.

I would say think about what you really want.

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Did you even read my post? I flat out said your situation is acceptable. And I have been around here a long time, I don't need to be in the exact situation in order to have a good idea what the expectations are. Congrats on your acceptance, but I have seen a ridiculous number of threads about nurses who didn't make it.

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While you did say that the situation is acceptable, but you haven't elaborate on why it will "look very bad" beside he will take spots away from those who truly want to do nursing. Med schools don't care about what people did previously. Yeah and like you, I have seen a "ridiculous number of threads" about premed (bio/chem major) who didn't make it 🙄. There are tons of nurses that went on to become docs. Congrats on your acceptance also.

What you really need to consider is- if you went to nursing school, would you always be thinking- I should have just gone to med school. If it is your dream, then you need to go for it.

I went through a very similar situation as you, changing careers when I was about 26, when back to school for pre-reqs etc. Nursing and medicine are both fabulous occupations and both do different things and attract different people. There's nothing wrong with that, and anyone on here bashing nurses really needs to stop it. But, you need to ask, what is it that YOU want to do.

Research into the real day to day differences between the two professions and don't just pick nursing because you think its "faster" or "easier and don't just pick med school because its more "presitigious" or whatever. Do a little soul searching and you'll be fine. Best of luck to you girl! 😉

Nursing school is for people who want to be nurses; medical school is for people who want to be doctors. The answer to your question should be pretty obvious.

Two thoughts:

1. There will never be a time when you feel less working/financial/living stress. If you put medical school off until a more opportune time, there's a good chance it will never happen.

2. Don't hedge on your life's goals. A fall-back position that leads away from medical school (like nursing) is not a backup plan, but an alternate plan. Find a backup plan that will allow you to build your application in the event that you don't get accepted immediately.

You're young and now is the time to conquer difficult things. It doesn't get easier with time. That said, there is no shame in looking at the struggle and deciding that you'd rather be a nurse than a doctor. Happiness and contentment come from within. Make your choice and follow where it leads...

audqyee said:

I'm a nursing student from a CC that is slated to finish in May next year, and I'm 21. If you ask me if I regret going to nursing school, I would say a big fat NO. Going to nursing school assured me of a job, more or less, that will pay me $35 as an entry-level nurse on a nursing residency program on any department aside from Ortho and OR (I'm drooling on either ICU or ED).

That being said, if I had to do it all over again, I would not do nursing and just do a basic science degree (biology, chemistry, etc.). Nursing is kicking my butt right now and my cGPA will go from 3.9 to a mere 3.45-3.5 by the time I finish nursing school next year. THAT will HURT your chances. Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test.

Nursing classes focus more on application of the knowledge and critical thinking, and more times than not, answers depend more on your instructors common sense than yours. It's really different from fact-base question like questions on biology, chemistry, etc. Believe me, I'm getting A's on all of them except for nursing classes. I even had a peek at Step-1 USMLE questions and they seem more straightforward (aka, more easy if you know all the things you need to know). In nursing, even if you memorized everything, nursing style questions would still kill you.

So, my advice would be to do a post-baccalaureate program (Masters, maybe?) and ace it. Stay away from nursing, and if you need clinical experience for a PA, NP, or medical school, there's always an EMT course.

P.S. - I'm very biased against nurse practitioner programs...

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I have to completely agree with this statement. My initial intention was never to be an MD for many reasons, but I also thought I would get a more in depth education on hard sciences in nursing school, also. So far, all I've really learned is either a VERY superficial review of our prereqs or stuff I've read online/in general medical science news (ie, VERY dumbed down...I'm not talking about academic/medical journals, but crap like yahoo news). I've picked up on this since day one of my program. I'm only 2 months in and at this point, I'm trying to figure out how I can make a fool out of professors for being arrogant idiots. My grades have gone from all A's to C's (our professors have been lecturing us since before the program started that RN=C). The test questions are more accurately described as "application" based. The style of questions are definitely situational, but the right reasoning IS what the instructor considers most right. And these questions are rarely thrown out.

To give you another idea, my clinical instructor asked me a question that I wasn't 100% sure of the answer on, but it was a more black and white question that you could logically figure out. I told her that logically a certain answer sounded right...she was quite mad/offended by my answer and lectured me on how I just needed to know, not "figure it out." My answer, btw, was correct.

I'm also pretty anti-NP. I think the idea is good, but the lack of standardization/BS nature of the program doesn't IMO truly equate to what a doctorate level degree should in my mind be.

Valadi said:

Sounds to me like nursing isn't really teaching by the evidence, then, if you have to use your instructor's "common sense."

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It's not. In a lot of ways it's worse than liberal arts, because you have to suck up/figure out what the professor wants for an answer on multiple choice questions. In essay tests I had for courses during my BA (my BA is in German and Religion), I could at least word things in a way that gave me some of credit, even if it wasn't the professor's exact opinion. Then again, the BS 65 my clinical instructor "had to work to give me" (she wanted to give me a 55) on a stupid Philosophy of Nursing paper also points to the subjective "I don't like you so you're getting a lower grade" nature of the program in general. I followed the outline word for word, supported my opinion, and honestly gave my opinion. I really think logic and honesty aren't valued in the nursing profession.

Longboarder said:

"Every snotty traditional pre-med that posts here on SDN would say that nursing is very easy, especially our sciences. I would dare them to take up nursing school and score an A on every test."

Along these lines.... I agree with the above poster and its great advice. Made straight A's in nurisng pre-reqs..including microbiology + anatomies..only missed (one) question on a college algebra cumulative final. In nursing made an A in nutrition and pharm.. because the questions have answers that are scientific and make sense. Made straight B's in the actual nursing questions. Was told by clinical instructors "no one" could earn an A..we were just beginners..for the clinical portion. Nursing questions are so subjective as to the right answer. If you want to make more money..consider CNA? Waiting tables? If you KNOW you are smart enough to get in and make it through medical school..my suggestion is to avoid nursing alltogether. BTW I'm currently a RN.

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As I said above, our nursing instructors have beat it in our heads since before the program even started that RN=C. That's a load of BS. RN=C only for the people they don't like. Pharmacology is pretty easy...it's concrete and more logical. The big problem is that it's fluffy, so nothing is explained in depth enough to understand certain drug applications (and the professors refuse to explain it, also...it's "outside the scope of nursing practice"). I also say go to med school. The only thing keeping me sane is knowing that once I'm done, I can pay some crap off, get a little experience, finish premed courses, and go on to what I truly want to do.

audqyee said:

That's the reason why I yearned for the day when I'm done with all nursing classes and just get back to "traditional" classes and exams for premed. I think it's much to do with how our minds are wired to think and I think mine is incompatible with nursing. I have classmates who are just average in science classes but glowing in nursing.

As I said earlier, I went in to take a look at a Step-1 review book at Barnes and Nobles and they seemed more straightforward than nursing questions. Even a close family friend of ours (an MD) expressed frustration about nursing questions. 🙁

There's no way to avoid power trips if you're working with women (I'm a guy). The word lateral violence is notoriously associated with nurses.

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Yeah, being good at science definitely does not equate with being good at nursing coursework...and vice versa. If I could put a basilisk fang through my stupid Fundamentals of Nursing textbook and make it all disappear, I would (yes, I'm in my late 20s and referencing Harry Potter). The MCAT review questions I've seen seem much more straight forward than my RN test questions. Granted, I'm not in med school and haven't done a huge amount of research on it, but the bits and pieces I have seen are definitely more logical.

And the further I get into nursing, the more I wish I would've chosen electrical engineering instead (long story) just to NOT have to deal with working with women (I'm a woman). Women, especially in masses, have cat claws and will turn on you faster than you can blink. And every work environment I've been in that has been woman dominated has turned out negatively for me due to these factors (I was convinced otherwise with nursing by my dad...even though the other students in my class aren't this way/have been surprisingly great classmates, my professors are making me expect otherwise post-schooling).

MrBean said:

Nursing school is BS. I tutored pathophysiology to a couple of nursing students this past summer and was left speechless by the instructor's decisions. There were several instances where her answer totally contradicted the text and common sense, yet she did not budge. Basically, in her syllabus she stated that she will not allow anyone to challenge questions on the test. How is that a fair learning environment? I call BS. Plus getting an 'A' in Anatomy at at CC does not mean much. I teach Gen Bio and A&P I/II at a CC. We were told by the department to skip several important areas because these areas are not important to the practice of nursing. How is renal physiology NOT important? Hello???

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My A&P I/II and Micro was structured by an MD turned college bio department head/professor. While I certainly believe we could have/should now be going MUCH more in depth, they definitely didn't skip over anything like renal physiology. I never would have thought I would enjoy renal physiology, but that is so freakin' vital (no pun intended). Not to mention the depth of how the kidneys work is incredible (it was definitely confusing at first to understand the tubules...it was hard for me to picture, for some reason, but after it clicked, I just want to learn/understand more, which I sadly am not getting). I'm at a CC and we learned this. I'm not sure how other CC are or how large university science classes are (my BA was NOT in the sciences). I do have to say, though, that the GE/liberal arts coursework at this CC is a freakin' joke. I talked about the English Channel in my English 1101 course and multiple people in the class thought I was talking about a television channel.

unhappyrnstudnt said:

And the further I get into nursing, the more I wish I would've chosen electrical engineering instead (long story) just to NOT have to deal with working with women (I'm a woman). Women, especially in masses, have cat claws and will turn on you faster than you can blink. And every work environment I've been in that has been woman dominated has turned out negatively for me due to these factors (I was convinced otherwise with nursing by my dad...even though the other students in my class aren't this way/have been surprisingly great classmates, my professors are making me expect otherwise post-schooling).

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Yeah. Nursing isn't your bag. I'm sure you'll be a doc someday.

You know. Nobody seems to like the idea. Of a group chemistry to all male and all female environments. But as someone who's done both. Construction crews. And a pedi unit.

What you're saying is spot on. I'm not macho at all. And don't like the company of just dumb dudes. But I could never go back to working on an all female crew.

Crazy mf'ers almost had me lactating and menstruating. Never again. Except OB wards. 1000 yard stare. Robotic haze. Going to somewhere in my head. And planning on just zombie walking through it.

The diversity of mixed crews does something right for the working chemistry.

Nasrudin said:

Yeah. Nursing isn't your bag. I'm sure you'll be a doc someday.

You know. Nobody seems to like the idea. Of a group chemistry to all male and all female environments. But as someone who's done both. Construction crews. And a pedi unit.

What you're saying is spot on. I'm not macho at all. And don't like the company of just dumb dudes. But I could never go back to working on an all female crew.

Crazy mf'ers almost had me lactating and menstruating. Never again. Except OB wards. 1000 yard stare. Robotic haze. Going to somewhere in my head. And planning on just zombie walking through it.

The diversity of mixed crews does something right for the working chemistry.

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Ha, either that or I'll be committed. To a psych ward. And I'd rather be committed to med school rather than the psych ward.

Yeah, women are nuts. The biological fact that women who spend lengthy amounts of time together all end up on the same/close to the same menstrual cycle should be wisdom enough to make us get the hell away from each other. Maybe some gender members like the idea of having monthly Bridget Jones/rocky road ice cream buddies? Whatever.

I can't really say that it would be the same among a team work environment of all male employees, as any male dominated environment I've been in has always had at least one female (me). But I would imagine it would have problems, as well. Though at least no menstruation and cat claws. The back stabbing type environment common among women very much makes me want to claw my own eyes out.

Even in mixed crews, there are always a few bad apples, sadly (definitely for women...I imagine for men, as well). It definitely does a LOT more to cutting the crap out, though. I find that women who are much like me (avoid mass groups of other women because of the games/hoops) are easier to work with and worth my time. Though I think most women will say the same thing about predominantly female group dynamics and women they get along with.

Anyway, if I analyze this much more, I'm likely to start menstruating again myself. I'm done.

unhappyrnstudnt said:

Yeah, being good at science definitely does not equate with being good at nursing coursework...and vice versa. If I could put a basilisk fang through my stupid Fundamentals of Nursing textbook and make it all disappear, I would (yes, I'm in my late 20s and referencing Harry Potter).

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