07 Ranking of Dental Schools Based on DAT/GPA/Other Stats

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A frequently asked and debated question on SDN relates to the ease or difficulty of entering a particular dental school. A number of objective parameters can be used to assess how competitive a particular school is. The parameters include DAT scores, GPA, the number of applicants, the number of slots available for first year enrollees, residency and minority status.

U.S (including Puerto Rico) dental schools are ranked based on AA, PA, GPA-o, GPA-sci, a modified formula used by SA to rank applicants, ratio of applicants/enrollees, and percentage of in state enrollees. The relevant data was taken from the 2008 ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools.

As the countdown toward the 2009 application cycle continues the information may become useful. This post is intended to help prospective applicants decide where to apply and help them evaluate their best chances for acceptance. It is not intended to replace the invaluable information found in the ADEA guide. Serious applicants are encouraged to peruse the information available in the guide.

In evaluating the resident and non resident information, it should be noted that several states, such as Alabama, Missouri KC, Oregon, Tennessee, Washington, and others, give special preference to neighboring states, especially those sine dental schools.

A modified UTHSCSA formula, which uses a composite of DAT and GPA scores, was used to rank schools. The formula is:

science GPA x AA/30x 4 + overall GPA

Colorado did not report DAT or GPAs-scores from 2006 were used. The 2007 stats are 19.5 and 3.7.

Code:
	AA 2007		PA 2007		GPA-o 07		GPA-s 07
1	Harvard	22.7	Harvard	20.6	Neb	3.85	Neb	3.8
2	Colum	22.3	UCLA	20.1	Harvard	3.78	Harvard	3.75
3	UCLA	22	UOP	19.9	Penn	3.75	Penn	3.71
4	UCSF	21.6	Loma	19.8	Colo	3.71	UCSF	3.67
5	SUNY SB	21.6	UCSF	19.8	UCSF	3.7	Colo	3.66
6	Penn	20.7	Colo	19.6	Iowa	3.69	Iowa	3.64
7	Wash	20.7	Case	19.5	SUNY SB	3.68	Oregon	3.64
8	UOP	20.6	Wash	19.5	UT-SA	3.67	Mercy	3.62
9	Conn	20.6	Creigh	19.4	Miss	3.66	SUNY SB	3.62
10	Maryl	20.2	SUNY B	19.4	Oregon	3.66	UT Hou	3.61
11	N Carol	20.1	Okla	19.4	UT Hou	3.66	MisouKC	3.6
12	Illin	20	S Carol	19.4	Mercy	3.64	Miss	3.59
13	Mich	20	Mercy	19.2	MisouKC	3.63	UT-SA	3.59
14	UT-SA	20	Minn	19.2	UCLA	3.62	Alaba	3.58
15	Boston	19.9	SUNY SB	19.2	Alaba	3.61	UCLA	3.58
16	Pitt	19.9	Penn	19.2	Florida	3.61	SUNY B	3.58
17	Alaba	19.8	Oregon	19.11	S. Illi	3.61	Conn	3.56
18	NY	19.8	Conn	19.1	SUNY B	3.61	NOVA	3.56
19	NOVA	19.7	Georgia	19.1	NOVA	3.6	S. Illi	3.55
20	Mercy	19.7	Nevada	19.1	Ohio	3.6	N Carol	3.55
21	Minn	19.7	Ohio	19.1	Okla	3.6	Florida	3.54
22	Case	19.7	Pitt	19.1	Marque	3.6	Georgia	3.54
23	UT Hou	19.7	Louisi	19	Georgia	3.59	Colum	3.54
24	Louisi	19.6	Maryl	19	Minn	3.59	Okla	3.54
25	Nevada	19.6	Mich	19	Conn	3.58	Minn	3.53
26	SUNY B	19.6	Colum	19	Louisi	3.58	Ohio	3.51
27	Okla	19.6	N Carol	18.9	Colum	3.58	Wash	3.51
28	Oregon	19.57	Alaba	18.8	N Carol	3.58	Indiana	3.5
29	Florida	19.5	USC	18.8	Indiana	3.57	Louisi	3.5
30	UMDNJ	19.5	Illin	18.7	Wash	3.57	Marque	3.5
31	Ohio	19.5	Iowa	18.7	Creigh	3.56	S Carol	3.49
32	Baylor	19.5	NY	18.7	Baylor	3.54	UMDNJ	3.47
33	Iowa	19.4	Virg	18.7	UMDNJ	3.53	Baylor	3.47
34	Loma	19.3	Indiana	18.6	Case	3.53	Creigh	3.46
35	Colo	19.3	Neb	18.6	Pitt	3.53	Illin	3.45
36	USC	19.2	Temple	18.6	W Va	3.53	Case	3.45
37	Georgia	19.2	UT-SA	18.6	Illin	3.51	Tenn	3.45
38	Tufts	19.2	Marque	18.6	Tenn	3.51	Pitt	3.43
39	Indiana	19.1	Florida	18.5	Mich	3.5	Loma	3.4
40	Creigh	19.1	Boston	18.5	S Carol	3.5	Mich	3.4
41	Temple	19.1	Tufts	18.5	Loma	3.49	Virg	3.4
42	Virgi   19.1	UT Hou	18.5	Maryl	3.48	USC	3.39
43	S Carol	18.9	NOVA	18.4	Kent	3.47	Maryl	3.39
44	Marque	18.9	S. Illi	18.4	USC	3.46	Kent	3.37
45	Neb	18.7	Arizona	18.2	Virgi	3.44	NY	3.37
46	S. Illi	18.5	Tenn	18.2	NY	3.43	W Va	3.37
47	Arizona	18.4	UMDNJ	17.7	Arizona	3.42	Arizona	3.36
48	MisouKC	18.3	Baylor	17.6	Tufts	3.42	Nevada	3.35
49	Tenn	18.3	MisouKC	17.3	Nevada	3.42	Tufts	3.33
50	Kent	18.2	Kent	17	Louisv	3.41	Boston	3.31
51	Miss	18.2	Louisv	17	Boston	3.39	UOP	3.29
52	Louisv	17.4	Miss	17	Temple	3.37	Louisv	3.28
53	Howard	17	W Va	17	UOP	3.36	Temple	3.27
54	W Va	17	Howard	16.3	PR	3.35	PR	3.2
55	Meharry	15.8	PR	16.1	Howard	3.15	Howard	3.06
56	PR	15.3	Meharry	15.6	Meharry	3.01	Meharry	2.85
        Mean    19.43           18.64           3.54            3.48


                                        App/Enrol
	SA Formula	% In State	Ratio
1	Harvard	15.19	Georgia	100	Arizona	57
2	UCSF	14.33	Miss	100	Case	43
3	SUNY SB	14.22	PR	100	Conn	40
4	UCLA	14.20	UT Hou	100	Meharry	40
5	Colum	14.18	S. Illi	96	Marque	40
6	Penn	14.06	S Carol	95	NOVA	38
7	Neb	13.40	UT-SA	93	Boston	38
8	Conn	13.39	Alaba	92	Creigh	37
9	UT-SA	13.38	Louisi	92	Nevada	37
10	Wash	13.36	Baylor	91	Harvard	34
11	UT Hou	13.22	Illin	90	SUNY SB	34
12	Colo	13.21	N Carol	89	Penn	34
13	Oregon	13.19	SUNY SB	87	Louisv	32
14	Iowa	13.18	Florida	86	Howard	31
15	Mercy	13.18	UCLA	84	Colum	30
16	N Carol	13.14	Wash	82	Colo	29
17	Alaba	13.11	Okla	79	W Va	28
18	NOVA	13.02	UMDNJ	77	Temple	27
19	SUNY B	13.01	Oregon	75	Kent	26
20	Minn	12.96	Ohio	73	Tufts	26
21	Okla	12.95	Mercy	72	UCSF	25
22	Florida	12.93	Iowa	71	Virg    25
23	Ohio	12.87	Kent	71	Illin	24
24	Louisi	12.86	UOP	70	Mich	24
25	Illin	12.81	Loma	69	Pitt	24
26	Pitt	12.80	MisouKC	68	UCLA	23
27	Maryl	12.76	UCSF	67	S. Illi	23
28	Georgia	12.73	Conn	67	Mercy	23
29	Mich	12.73	Indiana	67	SUNY B	23
30	Case	12.72	USC	65	Loma	22
31	Baylor	12.67	Minn	65	UOP	22
32	UMDNJ	12.65	Neb	64	USC	22
33	Indiana	12.59	Nevada	63	UMDNJ	22
34	Marque	12.57	Tenn	63	Indiana	21
35	Creigh	12.53	W Va	63	Maryl	21
36	UOP	12.52	Mich	62	Neb	21
37	Miss	12.47	SUNY B	62	Wash	21
38	MisouKC	12.46	Virgi   61	NY	20
39	S. Illi	12.45	Colo	58	N Carol	20
40	NY	12.43	Louisv	56	Florida	19
41	Loma	12.38	Maryl	55	S Carol	16
42	S Carol	12.31	NOVA	54	Oregon	15
43	Boston	12.30	Temple	51	Baylor	15
44	Nevada	12.29	Pitt	50	UT Hou	15
45	USC	12.25	Marque	50	Alaba	14
46	Virg	12.16	Colum	39	Iowa	14
47	Tufts	12.09	NY	33	UT-SA	12
48	Tenn	12.01	Arizona	25	MisouKC	11
49	Temple	11.85	Tufts	25	Ohio	11
50	Kent	11.79	Boston	18	Okla	11
51	Arizona	11.75	Case	16	Minn	10
52	W Va	11.37	Harvard	14	PR	9
53	Louisv	11.19	Penn	9	Tenn	6
54	Howard	10.20	Creigh	8	Georgia	5
55	PR	10.03	Meharry	8	Louisi	4
56	Meharry	9.19	Howard	6	Miss	4
						
	Mean    12.67		63.32		23.54

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hey there thanks for the info, how ever what is AA and what is SA sorry i dont know this stuff and would appriciate this help
 
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I'll probably get shredded for saying this, but Meharry's stats are just plain pathetic.

15.8 AA, 15.6 PAT, 3.01 gpa, 2.85 sgpa

I mean, come on, there are so many people with stats that are much, much better than that getting rejected. I understand the whole under represented minority thing, but give me a break. If those are the average stats, that means there are people with even worse stats getting in. I'm sure they turn out competent dentists, but rejecting someone with 18's across the board and a 3.4 because their caucasian/asian and taking someone with 15's and a 2.9 because they're URM. What a joke. Go ahead and call me ignorant and racist, but thats grossly unfair.
 
I completely Agree! Representing the "under-dog" is nice and all, but what about those that are rejected because they do not fulfill the minority requirement; is this not racism in of its self?
 
I agree 100%. To call you racist would in itself be racist. I will always and forever believe in the ideal of equal opportunity, but trying to force equal outcome, THAT is truly racist.


I'll probably get shredded for saying this, but Meharry's stats are just plain pathetic.

15.8 AA, 15.6 PAT, 3.01 gpa, 2.85 sgpa

I mean, come on, there are so many people with stats that are much, much better than that getting rejected. I understand the whole under represented minority thing, but give me a break. If those are the average stats, that means there are people with even worse stats getting in. I'm sure they turn out competent dentists, but rejecting someone with 18's across the board and a 3.4 because their caucasian/asian and taking someone with 15's and a 2.9 because they're URM. What a joke. Go ahead and call me ignorant and racist, but thats grossly unfair.
 
I completely Agree! Representing the "under-dog" is nice and all, but what about those that are rejected because they do not fulfill the minority requirement; is this not racism in of its self?

It is called reverse discrimination..... :beat: BTW i was rejected from Meharry as well.....you can check my stats on Pre Dents.......I really don't care.....not a big fan of Tennesee anyway
 
wow Harvard went from a 24.5 to a 22.7....I wonder what happened...:confused:
Columbia is still number TWO! YAY! :love:
 
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Sigh. I'll be the first to mention that those rankings are nearly useless. It helps a bit when applying to schools, but is certainly worthless for anything other than that.

You are probably right. It does make one wonder what those people at ADEA were thinking when they compiled and published all those stats in the 2008 ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools.
 
Who really cares. If you get in somewhere if its the top school or the bottom they still call you Doctor when you finish and you will make lots of cash no matter which school you get into.
 
Most of your patients don't care where you went to school as long as you're competent, caring and, of course, within their fee range (let's be honest, it is important). If you went to the top school, graduated 1st in the class but this doesn't translate into a good practitioner, you're patients will not care about your school. If you go to the "worst" school but deliver outstanding care you will succeed!
 
I'm not sure if the ADEA book didn't update USC's stats, but the USC admission's website for my class has numbers drastically different from the numbers in this compiled list. Thought I would give you the heads up.

GPA: 3.57
SciGPA: 3.47
AA: 19
TS: 19
PAT: 19

Thanks!
 
and it goes to show that there isn't a 1:1 correlation between GPA and DAT scores. Nebraska has a fairly average DAT scores.
Interesting to note if you go to nebraska's web site they rank in the top five on part 1 boards and top 10 in part 2. maybe average dats and high gpa works well for them and other schools. Interesting...mmm
Anyways just my 2 cents.
 
just for the record I had a 15aa 3.0 gpa dental assistant for 10 years and i applied to meharry and they didnt even gave me an interview........i havent event been invited to any postbacc programs not even in my state school.......so this is for all the people who think its an easy slide for all minorities......WRONG......i´m gonna have to retake my dat just like my caucacians friends and get my gpa up just like everyone else to be more competitive........so i understand were you come from but..........just like there is a lot of qualified candidated who get turned down....... there is also al ot of minorities who get turned down........so i just wanted to say that because its not just pulling the race card and you get accepted....trust me.........so for everyone who thinks that for being a minority it means an automatic ticket to dental school........WRONG AGAIN........its getting very competitive even among minorities..........
 
I agree 100%. To call you racist would in itself be racist. I will always and forever believe in the ideal of equal opportunity, but trying to force equal outcome, THAT is truly racist.

I've come to realize something, this is my own opinion i have no facts...

but i think the reason they want to force these minorities into professional schools is because on the whole they didn't have the same backbone culturally to get these opportunities. The prime example is slavery, and then racism back only 30 years ago.

I think that the american system is giving back sort of saying sorry about everything that happened, and slowly creating more fortunate and easy opportunities to get to the same level that most white americans take for granted. So that eventually, the playing fielf will level off and the establishment will be there and you won't really see 15 DAT's anymore... you'll probably see an equal distribution of scores from blacks, whites, asians etc.
 
How did you decide the rankings for the ties? Are they random?

The credit for randomization of the rankings goes to Bill Gates, but even he could not enter more than one school per cell. Just a guess, but he would probably agree that equal numbers would be considered a tie and that the ranking would be the same irrespective of their position in the cells.
 
Most of your patients don't care where you went to school as long as you're competent, caring and, of course, within their fee range (let's be honest, it is important). If you went to the top school, graduated 1st in the class but this doesn't translate into a good practitioner, you're patients will not care about your school. If you go to the "worst" school but deliver outstanding care you will succeed!


I second this comment...I couldnt have said it better myself
 
Most of your patients don't care where you went to school as long as you're competent, caring and, of course, within their fee range (let's be honest, it is important). If you went to the top school, graduated 1st in the class but this doesn't translate into a good practitioner, you're patients will not care about your school. If you go to the "worst" school but deliver outstanding care you will succeed!

Every dentist'll be faced with learning chair side manner. We're all at an equal footing on that one, but that doesn't mean we should ignore everything else. Ranking schools based on the DAT gives a rough indication of the mental abilities of the clinician. Ranking it based on PAT's supposed to give a rough indication of the clinical ability of its students. On the chairside manner, we have interviews to screen candidates. It's just not represented within those numbers. Harvard'll have their prime choice of students just because everyone wants to go there. There's no reason to believe that behind that 22.7 are also charming students, although there'll be exceptions. ASDOH also interviews a truckload of students, and I've talked to a great many charismatic students there. If someone were to calculate the number of students interviewed divide by the number enrolled, he may get a rough indication of the level of personality screening. Just a theory thou.

Regardless of the clinician's chair side manner, the inability to manipulate 3D figures in your head can pose a problem for dentistry. Wouldn't you say? Your patients may only SEE what you present to them, but it doesn't mean that the mental ability of a dentist doesn't matter.

I still find it amazing that Penn has virtually comparable students to many schools. Yet, they crank out many more specialists. Stony Brook and UW're definately underrated schools. They have such high quality students.
 
I'm not sure if the ADEA book didn't update USC's stats, but the USC admission's website for my class has numbers drastically different from the numbers in this compiled list. Thought I would give you the heads up.

GPA: 3.57
SciGPA: 3.47
AA: 19
TS: 19
PAT: 19

Thanks!

Most schools had an increase in numbers. USC's by far was one of the biggest drop. I hope the school improves on the graduation rate problem, because it's preventing more top students from going there. To attract students who're willing to pay the highest tuition in the country's one thing, but to do that AND attract students who are willing to graduate later is another.
 
it's interesting how the lower you scroll down how the schools that might have a strong AA might not have a high sci. gpa. There's only a few like the top 10 that seem to be high rankers across the board.
 
I'm not sure if the ADEA book didn't update USC's stats, but the USC admission's website for my class has numbers drastically different from the numbers in this compiled list. Thought I would give you the heads up.

GPA: 3.57
SciGPA: 3.47
AA: 19
TS: 19
PAT: 19

Thanks!

It does make one wonder which of those numbers are correct. At least as far as the GPA's are concerned, the (07) ADEA figures more closely complement those from 2006.
 
HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THIS FORMULA? HOW MUCH DOES IT WEIGH EACH THING: SCI GPA, DAT, AND CUM. GPA? also, isn't having a separate science gpa almost somewhat redundant?
 
again, i'm how did they come up with the formula? how much is each component weighed? and do schools use such a formula for considering acceptances?
 
again, i'm how did they come up with the formula? how much is each component weighed? and do schools use such a formula for considering acceptances?

From original post:

The formula is: science GPA x AA/30 x 4 + overall GPA
 
Now I know why I didn't get that damn scholarship at Penn. They said to be considered you need at least a 3.75 GPA. That is the frikin avg GPA in my class!
 
A frequently asked and debated question on SDN relates to the ease or difficulty of entering a particular dental school. A number of objective parameters can be used to assess how competitive a particular school is. The parameters include DAT scores, GPA, the number of applicants, the number of slots available for first year enrollees, residency and minority status.

U.S (including Puerto Rico) dental schools are ranked based on AA, PA, GPA-o, GPA-sci, a modified formula used by SA to rank applicants, ratio of applicants/enrollees, and percentage of in state enrollees. The relevant data was taken from the 2008 ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools.

As the countdown toward the 2009 application cycle continues the information may become useful. This post is intended to help prospective applicants decide where to apply and help them evaluate their best chances for acceptance. It is not intended to replace the invaluable information found in the ADEA guide. Serious applicants are encouraged to peruse the information available in the guide.

In evaluating the resident and non resident information, it should be noted that several states, such as Alabama, Missouri KC, Oregon, Tennessee, Washington, and others, give special preference to neighboring states, especially those sine dental schools.

A modified UTHSCSA formula, which uses a composite of DAT and GPA scores, was used to rank schools. The formula is:

science GPA x AA/30x 4 + overall GPA

Colorado did not report DAT or GPAs-scores from 2006 were used. The 2007 stats are 19.5 and 3.7.

Code:
	AA 2007		PA 2007		GPA-o 07		GPA-s 07
1	Harvard	22.7	Harvard	20.6	Neb	3.85	Neb	3.8
2	Colum	22.3	UCLA	20.1	Harvard	3.78	Harvard	3.75
3	UCLA	22	UOP	19.9	Penn	3.75	Penn	3.71
4	UCSF	21.6	Loma	19.8	Colo	3.71	UCSF	3.67
5	SUNY SB	21.6	UCSF	19.8	UCSF	3.7	Colo	3.66
6	Penn	20.7	Colo	19.6	Iowa	3.69	Iowa	3.64
7	Wash	20.7	Case	19.5	SUNY SB	3.68	Oregon	3.64
8	UOP	20.6	Wash	19.5	UT-SA	3.67	Mercy	3.62
9	Conn	20.6	Creigh	19.4	Miss	3.66	SUNY SB	3.62
10	Maryl	20.2	SUNY B	19.4	Oregon	3.66	UT Hou	3.61
11	N Carol	20.1	Okla	19.4	UT Hou	3.66	MisouKC	3.6
12	Illin	20	S Carol	19.4	Mercy	3.64	Miss	3.59
13	Mich	20	Mercy	19.2	MisouKC	3.63	UT-SA	3.59
14	UT-SA	20	Minn	19.2	UCLA	3.62	Alaba	3.58
15	Boston	19.9	SUNY SB	19.2	Alaba	3.61	UCLA	3.58
16	Pitt	19.9	Penn	19.2	Florida	3.61	SUNY B	3.58
17	Alaba	19.8	Oregon	19.11	S. Illi	3.61	Conn	3.56
18	NY	19.8	Conn	19.1	SUNY B	3.61	NOVA	3.56
19	NOVA	19.7	Georgia	19.1	NOVA	3.6	S. Illi	3.55
20	Mercy	19.7	Nevada	19.1	Ohio	3.6	N Carol	3.55
21	Minn	19.7	Ohio	19.1	Okla	3.6	Florida	3.54
22	Case	19.7	Pitt	19.1	Marque	3.6	Georgia	3.54
23	UT Hou	19.7	Louisi	19	Georgia	3.59	Colum	3.54
24	Louisi	19.6	Maryl	19	Minn	3.59	Okla	3.54
25	Nevada	19.6	Mich	19	Conn	3.58	Minn	3.53
26	SUNY B	19.6	Colum	19	Louisi	3.58	Ohio	3.51
27	Okla	19.6	N Carol	18.9	Colum	3.58	Wash	3.51
28	Oregon	19.57	Alaba	18.8	N Carol	3.58	Indiana	3.5
29	Florida	19.5	USC	18.8	Indiana	3.57	Louisi	3.5
30	UMDNJ	19.5	Illin	18.7	Wash	3.57	Marque	3.5
31	Ohio	19.5	Iowa	18.7	Creigh	3.56	S Carol	3.49
32	Baylor	19.5	NY	18.7	Baylor	3.54	UMDNJ	3.47
33	Iowa	19.4	Virg	18.7	UMDNJ	3.53	Baylor	3.47
34	Loma	19.3	Indiana	18.6	Case	3.53	Creigh	3.46
35	Colo	19.3	Neb	18.6	Pitt	3.53	Illin	3.45
36	USC	19.2	Temple	18.6	W Va	3.53	Case	3.45
37	Georgia	19.2	UT-SA	18.6	Illin	3.51	Tenn	3.45
38	Tufts	19.2	Marque	18.6	Tenn	3.51	Pitt	3.43
39	Indiana	19.1	Florida	18.5	Mich	3.5	Loma	3.4
40	Creigh	19.1	Boston	18.5	S Carol	3.5	Mich	3.4
41	Temple	19.1	Tufts	18.5	Loma	3.49	Virg	3.4
42	Virgi   19.1	UT Hou	18.5	Maryl	3.48	USC	3.39
43	S Carol	18.9	NOVA	18.4	Kent	3.47	Maryl	3.39
44	Marque	18.9	S. Illi	18.4	USC	3.46	Kent	3.37
45	Neb	18.7	Arizona	18.2	Virgi	3.44	NY	3.37
46	S. Illi	18.5	Tenn	18.2	NY	3.43	W Va	3.37
47	Arizona	18.4	UMDNJ	17.7	Arizona	3.42	Arizona	3.36
48	MisouKC	18.3	Baylor	17.6	Tufts	3.42	Nevada	3.35
49	Tenn	18.3	MisouKC	17.3	Nevada	3.42	Tufts	3.33
50	Kent	18.2	Kent	17	Louisv	3.41	Boston	3.31
51	Miss	18.2	Louisv	17	Boston	3.39	UOP	3.29
52	Louisv	17.4	Miss	17	Temple	3.37	Louisv	3.28
53	Howard	17	W Va	17	UOP	3.36	Temple	3.27
54	W Va	17	Howard	16.3	PR	3.35	PR	3.2
55	Meharry	15.8	PR	16.1	Howard	3.15	Howard	3.06
56	PR	15.3	Meharry	15.6	Meharry	3.01	Meharry	2.85
        Mean    19.43           18.64           3.54            3.48


                                        App/Enrol
	SA Formula	% In State	Ratio
1	Harvard	15.19	Georgia	100	Arizona	57
2	UCSF	14.33	Miss	100	Case	43
3	SUNY SB	14.22	PR	100	Conn	40
4	UCLA	14.20	UT Hou	100	Meharry	40
5	Colum	14.18	S. Illi	96	Marque	40
6	Penn	14.06	S Carol	95	NOVA	38
7	Neb	13.40	UT-SA	93	Boston	38
8	Conn	13.39	Alaba	92	Creigh	37
9	UT-SA	13.38	Louisi	92	Nevada	37
10	Wash	13.36	Baylor	91	Harvard	34
11	UT Hou	13.22	Illin	90	SUNY SB	34
12	Colo	13.21	N Carol	89	Penn	34
13	Oregon	13.19	SUNY SB	87	Louisv	32
14	Iowa	13.18	Florida	86	Howard	31
15	Mercy	13.18	UCLA	84	Colum	30
16	N Carol	13.14	Wash	82	Colo	29
17	Alaba	13.11	Okla	79	W Va	28
18	NOVA	13.02	UMDNJ	77	Temple	27
19	SUNY B	13.01	Oregon	75	Kent	26
20	Minn	12.96	Ohio	73	Tufts	26
21	Okla	12.95	Mercy	72	UCSF	25
22	Florida	12.93	Iowa	71	Virg    25
23	Ohio	12.87	Kent	71	Illin	24
24	Louisi	12.86	UOP	70	Mich	24
25	Illin	12.81	Loma	69	Pitt	24
26	Pitt	12.80	MisouKC	68	UCLA	23
27	Maryl	12.76	UCSF	67	S. Illi	23
28	Georgia	12.73	Conn	67	Mercy	23
29	Mich	12.73	Indiana	67	SUNY B	23
30	Case	12.72	USC	65	Loma	22
31	Baylor	12.67	Minn	65	UOP	22
32	UMDNJ	12.65	Neb	64	USC	22
33	Indiana	12.59	Nevada	63	UMDNJ	22
34	Marque	12.57	Tenn	63	Indiana	21
35	Creigh	12.53	W Va	63	Maryl	21
36	UOP	12.52	Mich	62	Neb	21
37	Miss	12.47	SUNY B	62	Wash	21
38	MisouKC	12.46	Virgi   61	NY	20
39	S. Illi	12.45	Colo	58	N Carol	20
40	NY	12.43	Louisv	56	Florida	19
41	Loma	12.38	Maryl	55	S Carol	16
42	S Carol	12.31	NOVA	54	Oregon	15
43	Boston	12.30	Temple	51	Baylor	15
44	Nevada	12.29	Pitt	50	UT Hou	15
45	USC	12.25	Marque	50	Alaba	14
46	Virg	12.16	Colum	39	Iowa	14
47	Tufts	12.09	NY	33	UT-SA	12
48	Tenn	12.01	Arizona	25	MisouKC	11
49	Temple	11.85	Tufts	25	Ohio	11
50	Kent	11.79	Boston	18	Okla	11
51	Arizona	11.75	Case	16	Minn	10
52	W Va	11.37	Harvard	14	PR	9
53	Louisv	11.19	Penn	9	Tenn	6
54	Howard	10.20	Creigh	8	Georgia	5
55	PR	10.03	Meharry	8	Louisi	4
56	Meharry	9.19	Howard	6	Miss	4
						
	Mean    12.67		63.32		23.54
Thanks for the info doc toothache.
 
are the dental schools looking at the school that you are coming from? I'm from a very small (500 students) liberal arts college in GA...probably the only people that heard of it are the people from GA...:)...but im not eligible to apply in this state so my only oprion is to apply at schools in other states that probably never heard of my college...
 
are the dental schools looking at the school that you are coming from? I'm from a very small (500 students) liberal arts college in GA...probably the only people that heard of it are the people from GA...:)...but im not eligible to apply in this state so my only oprion is to apply at schools in other states that probably never heard of my college...
why are you unable to apply in georgia.??
 
just for the record I had a 15aa 3.0 gpa dental assistant for 10 years and i applied to meharry and they didnt even gave me an interview........i havent event been invited to any postbacc programs not even in my state school.......so this is for all the people who think its an easy slide for all minorities......WRONG......i´m gonna have to retake my dat just like my caucacians friends and get my gpa up just like everyone else to be more competitive........so i understand were you come from but..........just like there is a lot of qualified candidated who get turned down....... there is also al ot of minorities who get turned down........so i just wanted to say that because its not just pulling the race card and you get accepted....trust me.........so for everyone who thinks that for being a minority it means an automatic ticket to dental school........WRONG AGAIN........its getting very competitive even among minorities..........
With a 15 aa its no wonder you didnt get in anywhere. You are below avreage even for a sub-par school like meharry. I wonder if they actually teach anything in these schools because if their acceptances are getting 16 they are not very bright and how would they be able to handle a tough dental school curriculum.
 
wow Harvard went from a 24.5 to a 22.7....I wonder what happened...:confused:
Columbia is still number TWO! YAY! :love:

From reading some of the posts on this site it seems that the recent DAT exams became much tougher than they were a year or 2 ago..... maybe that could be the reason for it?
 
From reading some of the posts on this site it seems that the recent DAT exams became much tougher than they were a year or 2 ago..... maybe that could be the reason for it?

Yes. We were due for a post claiming how much harder the DAT has gotten.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=408166
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=453723
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=391238
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=506735
 
Just wondering, but do the above stats differ from the ones on predents? (Not the user's posted avgs but the scores above.)

-Assume this has to do with differences in years?

Ex. Harvard on Predents:
DAT 24.4 PAT 21.6 GPA overall 3.77 GPA Science 3.77

Ex. UCSF's own website
http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program1-stats.html
Cumulative GPA:
3.36​
Science GPA:
3.40​
ACA:
20​
PAT:
20​
 
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Just wondering, but do the above stats differ from the ones on predents? (Not the user's posted avgs but the scores above.)

-Assume this has to do with differences in years?

Ex. Harvard on Predents:
DAT 24.4 PAT 21.6 GPA overall 3.77 GPA Science 3.77

Ex. UCSF's own website
http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program1-stats.html
Cumulative GPA:
3.36​
Science GPA:
3.40​
ACA:
20​
PAT:
20​

Maybe those are the averages for people who applied?
 
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