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[Transistor]

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[Dr.Sticks]

Yeah
If you can smell them it is clinical.

 

[Declinedgrunt]

I will defer to LizzyM's rule. "If you are close enough to smell patients then it is a clinical experience."

 

[Declinedgrunt]

They usually weren't patients though. I was responsible for more or less doing things that staff/volunteers normally do for patients.

Since they are in a hospital lab, I believe that is can be counted as clinical.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I'm probably the outlier here, but it sounds like research to me. Were they patients at all or research subjects (paid or volunteer)?

 

[JB50]

You were getting way to close to the patients while they slept if you could smell them opie

 

[JB50]

I'm probably the outlier here, but it sounds like research to me. Were they patients at all or research subjects (paid or volunteer)?

I will outlie with you on this one.

 

[Catalystik]

I worked in a hospital lab with experimental subjects living on altered sleep-wake cycles. On them I performed EEGs/EKGs, was in consistent contact with them, got blankets/water/standard hospital volunteering errands. They were not admitted patients (usually). Would this be considered clinical exposure?

This experience tells me you have experience in a clinical environment and some people skills, but I'd expect you to have other experience that will tell me you can interact with sick or injured folks in a helpful way. Sounds like Research to me.

 

[DiscusKeeper]

The project's focus was research, but, from what it sounds like, the component you were involved in was clinical. I personally would list it as a clinical experience and then just describe it, but take that with a grain of salt. Something like "I gained valuable clinical experience by interacting with patients through *insert name of the project you worked with*. I did the following... I gained the following...", etc. Either way, as long as you're accurately describing the experience and what you gained from it, it should still strengthen your application whether you list it as research or clinical.

It wouldn't hurt to get more direct clinical exposure to include prior to applying though (volunteering with patients or CNA maybe).

 

[candbgirl]

I'm probably the outlier here, but it sounds like research to me. Were they patients at all or research subjects (paid or volunteer)?

I'm out there with you. I think these were research subjects and not patients.


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[LizzyM]

Working with people who are not patients is not "clinical" by my definition because the definition specifies that the people be patients. This is the problem with clinical research with health subjects as well as the conundrum of socializing with residents in nursing homes. Are they patients? No, in all likelihood, they are not. You could be setting up eye-blink conditioning in a psychology lab or putting EEG leads on research subjects but it doesn't turn them into people who are sick, injured or seeking medical care. Mark it as research or employment but don't mark it as clinical. You an in the explanation tell how you interacted with subjects and some readers might give you some brownie points for this but better to undersell it and get some brownie points later than to oversell it and get quashed by readers who think you are trying to pull a fast one.

 

[Goro]

I agree with my learned colleague about how research subjects are not patients. But my own take on nursing home residents is that while they are not patients, they represent a population that bring our mortality very up close and personal. Most people are very uncomfortable in dealing with that, and so I have a very high regard for those who volunteer with the elderly.

Working with people who are not patients is not "clinical" by my definition because the definition specifies that the people be patients. This is the problem with clinical research with health subjects as well as the conundrum of socializing with residents in nursing homes. Are they patients? No, in all likelihood, they are not. You could be setting up eye-blink conditioning in a psychology lab or putting EEG leads on research subjects but it doesn't turn them into people who are sick, injured or seeking medical care. Mark it as research or employment but don't mark it as clinical. You an in the explanation tell how you interacted with subjects and some readers might give you some brownie points for this but better to undersell it and get some brownie points later than to oversell it and get quashed by readers who think you are trying to pull a fast one.