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I am so, so sorry this happened to you. Just want you to know, it’s not over for you. I also went to a school infamous for dismissing students for failing a system/block after remediation. Many of them went onto nursing school, are doing super well, and are really happy. Just want you to know, if medicine doesn’t work out, don’t worry, your career in healthcare is not over. Hang in there and stay strong and keep us posted.
 
Yes this situation is more a student affairs issue than admissions, but I had not heard many people siggest going to a SMP after failing out of medical school. I don't know what conditions you had in remediation but failing again doesn't help.

I would get some help checking out programs that would consider you. I don't know about podiatry being an alternative if your heart isn't in it. There seem to be plenty of people in podiatry school that seem to not get over wanting to be premed instead.
 
Very sorry you're going through this situation.

My general thoughts:

In the absence of a legally enforceable written agreement between you and the medical school, it doesn't sound as if the medical school is obligated to provide you with a future interview (notwithstanding re-admission to the medical school itself) - whether or not you successfully complete the linked master's program, or any other master's program for that matter.

The decision letter did not set forth, nor propose any new terms, concerning re-admission to the medical school. It sounded final - well, at least that was how I read your post.

When you meet with the medical school administration, you can ask for a written response to your questions.

Presumably, the medical school is neither ignorant nor inexperienced in responding to these types of questions. It is likely other students have encountered similar academic problems in the past, and have thereafter received decision letters similar to your decision letter. Were any of them re-admitted?

In other words, you're asking the medical school for additional clarification (transparency) so that you can make a reasonable decision concerning your own plans (e.g., applying to the linked master's program). Thereafter, and based on the school's written responses, you can make an informed decision for yourself based on clear facts, and not conjecture.

Hope things work out for you.
 
Yes this situation is more a student affairs issue than admissions, but I had not heard many people siggest going to a SMP after failing out of medical school. I don't know what conditions you had in remediation but failing again doesn't help.

I would get some help checking out programs that would consider you. I don't know about podiatry being an alternative if your heart isn't in it. There seem to be plenty of people in podiatry school that seem to not get over wanting to be premed instead.
Thank you so much for your helpful suggestions.

As an admissions advisor what would you think of a student that has withdrawn from med school due to academic reasons and gone through an SMP while maintaining high benchmarks? You also state that I should check out other programs, does this mean contact other programs (those with linked SMP) to see their response or wait until I finish my current schools program and then contact the appropriate schools?

Sorry for the list of questions, I just want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying correctly.
 
There's an individual on this form... or rather in the past was on here named @Bones DO . He was dismissed and then reentered into a DO school.

However I do believe this is an uphill battle and I'm not sure if what they pulled off is all that easy.

I guess in all of this I have to ask, just what is medicine worth to you? Is it worth now turning an already near decade route into one that will also need to involve proving yourself at very step going forward? What about truncated matching odds, not being able to go into the specialty you want if you find out you don't want FM or something like occupational medicine?
 
Just to clarify, your school dismissed you over a single course? Like they didn’t have you repeat the whole year first? They just had you remediate the course and then kicked you out?
yes. the school does not allow students to repeat years for academic reasons.
 
Thank you very much for your helpful advice. If the SMP does not work out, would you recommend doing shadowing or scribing a podiatrist or PA as well as retaking Micro and other courses in which I feel I could do better so that if I decide to apply to one of these schools it shows that I am making an effort?

Also I don't know if anyone else can chip in or if you have any insight but, I understand that other schools also have MSP linkages for example LECOM, would it be worth it to apply to these or contact these schools?
I think shadowing other fields would be a good idea.
I don’t see how CC micro would be helpful to you or your school. The pace and level of material is going to be much lower.
I’ve never heard of someone being readmitted after an SMP and am going to defer to the adcoms on that one.
 
There's an individual on this form... or rather in the past was on here named @Bones DO . He was dismissed and then reentered into a DO school.

However I do believe this is an uphill battle and I'm not sure if what they pulled off is all that easy.

I guess in all of this I have to ask, just what is medicine worth to you? Is it worth now turning an already near decade route into one that will also need to involve proving yourself at very step going forward? What about truncated matching odds, not being able to go into the specialty you want if you find out you don't want FM or something like occupational medicine?
Thank you for your response, and I actually read their post and even reached out to him. He was very helpful and said that if he had this opportunity when he was trying to reapply he would have taken it.

I honestly cant see myself doing anything other medicine because I love and invested so much into this path. I have always been interested in IM or FM because at some point I do want to practice global medicine so I am not sure how much more this will affect that, tho it definitely will have an impact.
 
I think shadowing other fields would be a good idea.
I don’t see how CC micro would be helpful to you or your school. The pace and level of material is going to be much lower.
I’ve never heard of someone being readmitted after an SMP and am going to defer to the adcoms on that one.
Thank you for your advice. After looking more into it I definitely will be taking these classes at a university specifically graduate level courses (400 levels and above), so it will not be at a CC.

If I want to prove to them that I am capable and to prove to them that they should take that "risk," how else can I accomplish this if I don't do the masters program?
 
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yes. the school does not allow students to repeat years for academic reasons.

For “academic reasons”? What does that even mean? Do they realize that most schools allow students to repeat a year?
 
For “academic reasons”? What does that even mean? Do they realize that most schools allow students to repeat a year?
academic meaning failed a course or something else of that nature. I mentioned previously that I did ask to be allowed to repeat the year but the school does not do this unless it is some major event that is out of everyone's control...

I really wish that they had this policy because it would make things a lot easier for the students.
 
For “academic reasons”? What does that even mean? Do they realize that most schools allow students to repeat a year?

I agree, this is strange to me. Although I can imagine some of the newer schools who already admit more at risk of failing students may have this policy to maximize match rates and or rates for passing boards.
 
I agree, this is strange to me. Although I can imagine some of the newer schools who already admit more at risk of failing students may have this policy to maximize match rates and or rates for passing boards.
Yeah that’s ****ty if that’s the case.
 
Thank you for your response, and I actually read their post and even reached out to him. He was very helpful and said that if he had this opportunity when he was trying to reapply he would have taken it.

I honestly cant see myself doing anything other medicine because I love and invested so much into this path. I have always been interested in IM or FM because at some point I do want to practice global medicine so I am not sure how much more this will affect that, tho it definitely will have an impact.

I know you just said all that. But is it worth sacrificing a lot of your life for that? Lets say you do that SMP. You do well. This is 1-2 year of your life. You reapply and now this might take you some time too. You admit to a new DO school and you start. You pass everything and you get a pass on COMLEX 1. Then you apply for FM and you match to a program that's far away and you move away across the country or you soap and possibly end up in a TRI and then reapply FM and match far away.

You see what I'm getting at here right?
 
Yeah that’s ****ty if that’s the case.

I agree. But strict to a fault is generally how medical schools in their insular ecosystems work. It's not residency where you're either a decision maker who directly impacts staffing and matching You're a body in a seat who is expected to follow a path to an end goal.
 
I agree. But strict to a fault is generally how medical schools in their insular ecosystems work. It's not residency where you're either a decision maker who directly impacts staffing and matching You're a body in a seat who is expected to follow a path to an end goal.
Yeah I don’t want to keep derailing the thread, I’m just saying that I can’t think of a legitimate academic reason to now allow remediation of a year.
 
I'm surprised to hear Micro was the block you failed twice, since that's traditionally a memorization heavy but very straightforward unit. What were the study methods you used?

Med school only gets harder from there. The USMLEs and shelf exams made preclinical tests look like a joke, at least at my school. And even in preclinicals some of the units like nephro, cardio and pulm can be much more conceptually challenging with fewer memorization freebies.

Spending years fighting your way back into a medical school just to hit those even tougher obstacles might not be the move here. If you could see yourself happy in any other related jobs (e.g. NP, PA, CRNA, optometry, audiology, etc etc) that might be better.
 
So serious question, do DO schools have a problem with student retention? Because i'm seeing this crazy authoritarian behavior of requiring mandatory attendance, forced in person attendance during covid times, and now this crazy expulsion with no opportunity to repeat 1st year all happening in DO schools. What's going on? Is COCA completely useless or what?

Because MD schools care a lot about things like student wellness and will do anything they can to get their students graduate and match at great places. I see zero things happening at DO schools. It's like an authoritarian crackdown on students and then dispose them off without care once they graduate and match.

I know it's harsh on my part but this is something that's concerning.
 
So serious question, do DO schools have a problem with student retention? Because i'm seeing this crazy authoritarian behavior of requiring mandatory attendance, forced in person attendance during covid times, and now this crazy expulsion with no opportunity to repeat 1st year all happening in DO schools. What's going on? Is COCA completely useless or what?

Because MD schools care a lot about things like student wellness and will do anything they can to get their students graduate and match at great places. I see zero things happening at DO schools. It's like an authoritarian crackdown on students and then dispose them off without care once they graduate and match.

I know it's harsh on my part but this is something that's concerning.
It's not just DO schools, Caribbean MD schools are also very quick and final with academic dismissals for preclinical failures. I do not mean to offend anyone when I say this, but I think it's because that kind of policy is a necessary evil when you admit cohorts with a lot of borderline entrance exams/GPAs. Competitive programs admit fewer students who struggle and can also afford to put a lot more resources towards rescue when it does occur.

Yet another reason to add to the pile for why SDN has a strong caveat emptor attitude towards newer DO schools and Carib schools.
 
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It's not just DO schools, Caribbean MD schools are also very quick and final with academic dismissals for preclinical failures. I do not mean to offend anyone when I say this, but I think it's because that kind of policy is a necessary evil when you admit cohorts with a lot of borderline entrance exams/GPAs. Competitive programs admit fewer students who struggle and can also afford to put a lot more resources towards rescue when it does occur.

Yet another reason to add to the pile for why SDN has a strong caveat emptor attitude towards newer DO schools and Carib schools.

Thanks, i got an even worse impression of new DO schools if they're acting like Caribbean on the mainland. It's not hard to have OP repeat the year and doesn't even take that many resources

Also the mandatory attendance is something even some established DO schools have. That's a problem.
 
I'm surprised to hear Micro was the block you failed twice, since that's traditionally a memorization heavy but very straightforward unit. What were the study methods you used?

Med school only gets harder from there. The USMLEs and shelf exams made preclinical tests look like a joke, at least at my school. And even in preclinicals some of the units like nephro, cardio and pulm can be much more conceptually challenging with fewer memorization freebies.

Spending years fighting your way back into a medical school just to hit those even tougher obstacles might not be the move here. If you could see yourself happy in any other related jobs (e.g. NP, PA, CRNA, optometry, audiology, etc etc) that might be better.
so the problem for me was that I did not have an effective study strategy for this class. For example, anatomy I did fine in, another class I consider to be memorization heavy. I found myself during the tests completely blanking out and confusing the different symptoms for each bacteria. I also have some anxiety issues so I feel like that also played a role. Again not trying to make excuses because I take full responsibility for what happened and I should have been more proactive.
 
so the problem for me was that I did not have an effective study strategy for this class. For example, anatomy I did fine in, another class I consider to be memorization heavy. I found myself during the tests completely blanking out and confusing the different symptoms for each bacteria. I also have some anxiety issues so I feel like that also played a role. Again not trying to make excuses because I take full responsibility for what happened and I should have been more proactive.
If you're blanking out during tests from nerves that definitely sounds like you've identified the problem! Definitely something you'd need under control before moving on to NBMEs
 
so the problem for me was that I did not have an effective study strategy for this class. For example, anatomy I did fine in, another class I consider to be memorization heavy. I found myself during the tests completely blanking out and confusing the different symptoms for each bacteria. I also have some anxiety issues so I feel like that also played a role. Again not trying to make excuses because I take full responsibility for what happened and I should have been more proactive.

I mean failing again is pretty damning because all those issues contributed to failing the first time. I don't agree the school's decision to have you withdraw but i can understand why they did it. The 2nd time it should've been apparent that stuff like Anki and Sketchy should've been the top priority.

Test taking anxiety sucks i can understand. But you did well in other classes so clearly there's something you're doing right
 
Yeah I don’t want to keep derailing the thread, I’m just saying that I can’t think of a legitimate academic reason to now allow remediation of a year.
Seriously, they at the very least are losing 3 and one half years tuition. OPs other grades first block were decent. I don't understand their rationale. Either there is more to the story or the schools policy is just plain ridiculous. The student is their product and OPs grades on the whole are fine. Couple As, 3 Bs and a C+. She would repeat the year at my school.
 
Seriously, they at the very least are losing 3 and one half years tuition. OPs other grades first block were decent. I don't understand their rationale. Either there is more to the story or the schools policy is just plain ridiculous. The student is their product and OPs grades on the whole are fine. Couple As, 3 Bs and a C+. She would repeat the year at my school.

The concern is whether the school really believes in the bolded. Or worse, treating OP like a disposable student to weedout to increase their match rates as much as possible
 
Seriously, they at the very least are losing 3 and one half years tuition. OPs other grades first block were decent. I don't understand their rationale. Either there is more to the story or the schools policy is just plain ridiculous. The student is their product and OPs grades on the whole are fine. Couple As, 3 Bs and a C+. She would repeat the year at my school.
Schools that are for-profit usually have a pyramid structure, tons of people in MS1-MS2 paying tuition and far fewer that are allowed to advance to the expensive clinical years. Without knowing which school OP is at it's hard to speculate but their rationale might just be $$$
 
Schools that are for-profit usually have a pyramid structure, tons of people in MS1-MS2 paying tuition and far fewer that are allowed to advance to the expensive clinical years. Without knowing which school OP is at it's hard to speculate but their rationale might just be $$$
Yes, you raise a good point. I'm familiar with for profit schools. My nephew attended a for profit law school, good grades, no failures, and has failed his state bar exam 3 times.
 
So serious question, do DO schools have a problem with student retention? Because i'm seeing this crazy authoritarian behavior of requiring mandatory attendance, forced in person attendance during covid times, and now this crazy expulsion with no opportunity to repeat 1st year all happening in DO schools. What's going on? Is COCA completely useless or what?

Because MD schools care a lot about things like student wellness and will do anything they can to get their students graduate and match at great places. I see zero things happening at DO schools. It's like an authoritarian crackdown on students and then dispose them off without care once they graduate and match.

I know it's harsh on my part but this is something that's concerning.
This is more true than not. Frankly, DO schools are uncomfortably similar to Caribbean schools in reality. In my opinion, this will get a lot worse as more of these low quality new schools open and admit applicants who are likely not cut out for medical education and the administrative response is authoritarian which will actually make students perform even worse ironically.

We see this happen a lot with DO schools. Regressive policies in the face of problems their own school causes most of the time.
 
Seriously, they at the very least are losing 3 and one half years tuition. OPs other grades first block were decent. I don't understand their rationale. Either there is more to the story or the schools policy is just plain ridiculous. The student is their product and OPs grades on the whole are fine. Couple As, 3 Bs and a C+. She would repeat the year at my school.
Ditto, I can’t imagine an American school(DO or MD) that would dismiss a student for failing 1 class(after a failed remediation), it’s usually you get to repeat the year. That’s how it is at my school. Even if you fail multiple courses at my school you still get to repeat the year, OP’s school sounds like a for profit carribean mill.
 
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Thank you so much for your helpful suggestions.

As an admissions advisor what would you think of a student that has withdrawn from med school due to academic reasons and gone through an SMP while maintaining high benchmarks? You also state that I should check out other programs, does this mean contact other programs (those with linked SMP) to see their response or wait until I finish my current schools program and then contact the appropriate schools?

Sorry for the list of questions, I just want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying correctly.
It's hard for me to comment because it really depends on the faculty on any committee, and most are not jumping at the chance to remediate med students. If I were an appointed dean of admissions or dean of students, I might make a call to my counterpart at the other school to find out more about why the student left. You can't predict because you never know how a committee is going to react.
 
It's hard for me to comment because it really depends on the faculty on any committee, and most are not jumping at the chance to remediate med students. If I were an appointed dean of admissions or dean of students, I might make a call to my counterpart at the other school to find out more about why the student left. You can't predict because you never know how a committee is going to react.
Would someone from the OPs school be able to reveal the circumstances for the OP withdrawing? I was under the impression that such comments wouldnt be allowed as they are part of the students record. I am, of course, not encouraging the OP to obfuscate the reasons for leaving the program. I’m just curious what someone would be able to say beyond “X student is no longer enrolled.”
 
Would someone from the OPs school be able to reveal the circumstances for the OP withdrawing? I was under the impression that such comments wouldnt be allowed as they are part of the students record. I am, of course, not encouraging the OP to obfuscate the reasons for leaving the program. I’m just curious what someone would be able to say beyond “X student is no longer enrolled.”
Details are definitely subject to FERPA, but that does not mean that one cannot get an impression of the situation. Again, I will emphasize that otherwise most faculty on admissions committees won't take the chance because they'll just assume the worst since you cannot get details and presume due process.
 
Details are definitely subject to FERPA, but that does not mean that one cannot get an impression of the situation. Again, I will emphasize that otherwise most faculty on admissions committees won't take the chance because they'll just assume the worst since you cannot get details and presume due process.
That makes sense - I wonder if getting a LOR from someone on the committee, maybe the dean of students, would help.
 
How viable is podiatric school as an alternative for this student? Have you considered non-physician doctorates in healthcare like DPM?

A DPM is a licensed physician and surgeon specializing in the lower extremities.

I am not very interested in podiatry as an alternative but at the same time I have not crossed it out completely. I am currently considering other alternatives and really trying to assess if this is the right path because this process has brought out so much doubt and distaste in myself and abilities.

I'm sorry this is happening to you, OP. Like others have mentioned, you usually get three strikes before getting an academic dismissal (either at an allopathic, osteopathic, or podiatric-medical school). That said, I hope your current program gives you another 'guaranteed' chance; otherwise, I suggest going for the nursing route. It is probably the easiest to get an acceptance for, the shortest route to making any income and rewarding in terms of patient care and giving back.

All the best!
 
A DPM is a licensed physician and surgeon specializing in the lower extremities.
Do they take NBMEs and USMLEs as part of the DPM path? I never knew they were under the physician umbrella either
 
Do they take NBMEs and USMLEs as part of the DPM path? I never knew they were under the physician umbrella either

I don't want to derail this thread than it needs to be, but there are past threads on this topic, so do use the search function.
If you can't find the answer, then make a thread in the pod forum; I'd be glad to answer it there.
 
The school is bound by what is set in the Student Handbook (requirement for accreditation) - whether it is 3 failures, or 1 - whatever is in the handbook (that have been approved by faculty and administration) is the academic policy that the student and faculty have to abide by. Courts usually defer to schools (and educators) to determine the criteria for satisfactory academic progress, but the courts usually require schools to follow their policy (and any appeals that the students are entitled to). What we consider fair or unfair, or what other schools policies are, is immaterial, unless it violates the laws.

I am wary of the OP attempting SMP so soon, and would advise against it, for the following reasons

There is no guarantee that the OP can be readmitted as a medical student if he/she does well academically in SMP. The fact that it was met with a tepid response from the dean and other faculties on the committee is also a red flag. Unless in writing, verbal promises are hard to enforce. Plus the dean of student affairs (or academic affairs) is likely different from the dean of admission so a promise from one is not a promise from another. Plus faculty members and deans change over time (to another job, to another title, hired/fired, etc) and may no longer be there when you are ready to reapply. His/Her successor would not be obligated to honor any verbal promises made by his/her predecessors.

The purpose of SMP is to demonstrate to the admission committee that the applicant can excel academically with the rigors of pre-clinical medicine. The problem is that the OP have already did a first year of medical school and didn't do well. The academic difficulties should have been identified and addressed immediately after the first failed exam, or at the latest after the first failed coursework. To identify and try to address the deficiencies AFTER failing the course a 2nd time (and knowing, or should have known, that this is a MUST-PASS class) is a red flag. The OP's states in the first post "I am confident I can do well in this" is not backed up by any demonstrable action to date. The SMP isn't the platform to show that the deficiencies have been addressed - it should be the platform to show the OP is ready for medical school and can excel academically. The OP will need to address and correct the deficiencies before the SMP program - whether through another graduate course, or non-SMP graduate program, to show that the study habits, memorizations and memory recall while under stress, have been addressed.
Ultimately, the OP needs to demonstrate to the admission committee that his/her deficiencies have been addressed, and that he/she has excel in a rigorous academic program, and that he/she deserves reconsideration. From the admission committee standpoint, why readmit this person over the other thousands of applicants who are applying for the same limited spot? That's another hurdle that the OP will need to overcome. So for the SMP program, the OP has to excel academically (all As), and convince the admission committee (at his/her school, or another school that is willing to reconsider the OP) for re-admission.

The purpose of SMP is to prepare students/graduates for medical school (or podiatry or PA school). The tuition for 1 year at PCOM is $28.7K, COA $51k. Tuition for LECOM Erie Master of Medical Science is $21.3k, with COA $48.5k. The tuition for VCOM-Bluefield College MABS Program is $28k. If the OP cannot get into medical school (or PA school, or podiatry) - what can that additional education/degree/qualification do to help the OP? Does it open up job opportunities?

OP needs to start exploring his/her options. After some time, maybe get the hands wet with some graduate course and do well. Get a job in healthcare, academia, biomedical research - get to know people who can vouch for you, who can say you're a changed person. When the OP is ready, do the SMP and show that you matured academically and that you can rock your medical school courses.

Don't rush into a SMP without any guarantees for readmission, without addressing your deficiencies. Have a back up plan (and seriously start exploring it). Don't go deeper into debt until you have a plan. Doing just OK, or worse failing your SMP, would effectively end any future hopes of practicing medicine.
 
I'm surprised to hear Micro was the block you failed twice, since that's traditionally a memorization heavy but very straightforward unit. What were the study methods you used?

Med school only gets harder from there. The USMLEs and shelf exams made preclinical tests look like a joke, at least at my school. And even in preclinicals some of the units like nephro, cardio and pulm can be much more conceptually challenging with fewer memorization freebies.

Spending years fighting your way back into a medical school just to hit those even tougher obstacles might not be the move here. If you could see yourself happy in any other related jobs (e.g. NP, PA, CRNA, optometry, audiology, etc etc) that might be better.
I had to remediate Micro 2 (parasites, worms, fungus, yeast, arthropods, etc. Micro 1 was bacteria and viruses) precisely because it was so memorization heavy and not conceptual.
 
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The school is bound by what is set in the Student Handbook (requirement for accreditation) - whether it is 3 failures, or 1 - whatever is in the handbook (that have been approved by faculty and administration) is the academic policy that the student and faculty have to abide by. Courts usually defer to schools (and educators) to determine the criteria for satisfactory academic progress, but the courts usually require schools to follow their policy (and any appeals that the students are entitled to). What we consider fair or unfair, or what other schools policies are, is immaterial, unless it violates the laws.

This is true, but these can be changed during the school year. My school had a policy that you could remediate one course failure over the summer, and if you failed the remediation you would go before the student progress committee and state your case, then either be dismissed or asked to repeat the year.

For two course failures in a year, you would go straight to the committee without being allowed to remediate two courses, and either allowed to repeat or be dismissed.

This year after the musculoskeletal block, an announcement went out than you can now remediate two failed courses before having to go before the SPC, and a third failed course would result in immediate dismissal. They decided that covid posed a unique hardship on the entire student body, and so adjusted the policy mid-semester. Excessive attrition looks bad for schools, and they can’t replace the lost tuition, so I don’t understand why after one course failure plus remediation they would just dismiss OP without the opportunity to repeat the year and potentially recover the tuition.
 
Do they take NBMEs and USMLEs as part of the DPM path? I never knew they were under the physician umbrella either
They are recognized by the fed govt as physicians. The last time I looked into it, the ACGME did not allow them to take Steps, although DPMs have been workjng with ACGME to become eligible for a few years now. I do not know the results. DPMs have their own 3 part national boards like ACGME. They are reimbursed by Medicare and insurers at the same rate as orthopedic surgeons. My friend is a country DPM and has done quite well. My wife and I are overpriced specialists and if he dropped his checkbook in the parking lot, I would burn mine.
 
Just wanted to chime in again, it sounds like the school failed YOU, not the other way around. They made an investment in you to help you succeed when they accepted you, and it seems like they haven’t really given you a fair chance, compared to other DO or def US MD schools.

At my DO school, for example, there was a policy that if you failed one course (system aka block), you had to remediate it over the summer. Typically everyone would pass the summer remediation (easier). If you failed that remediation, then you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and then come back with the following class and repeat the year.

Or, if you failed two courses (let’s say one in the beginning and then at the very end of the year—happened often), you could not remediate because two course failures = a dismissal, but, you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and also repeat the year with the next incoming class.

Either way, the following year if you came back, you would be on academic probation, which meant that, if you had one more subsequent course failure, even if it was at the end of that repeated year (which would suck), you would be dismissed, no chance to appeal, no buts about it.

My school also gave the option of withdrawing after failing one course the first time, and then coming back next year to repeat the year with the new class, and you would be on academic probation, too.

In terms of repeating a year, I knew many people that had to repeat the year at my school, and so many are now successful post-residency, in fellowship, etc. I also know one person who had to repeat the year, then failed a course during that repeated year, and my med school kicked him out...BUT helped him get into their nursing program, and he is now an NP and making the same salary as a primary care physician (same salary as his wife who graduated from the DO school and is in primary care!)

Just FYI, I know someone who failed an anatomy test at an MD school as a 1st year. Failing that test meant she would fail the course. The professor took her aside and asked what went wrong. She unfortunately had a death in the family and couldn’t study for it. What did the anatomy professor do? He let her re-take the exam. Most US MD schools *want* to keep their students and help them, and don’t fail the med student right away. This kind scenario would have never happened at my DO school, by the way.

So, OP, just know that it’s not over for you! You unfortunately go to a ****ty school who is not that lenient. I would not do the masters program. I would either reapply to other DO schools, or go the NP route. Many NPs are now practicing independently, make very similar salary if the not same, as a PCP doc, and their admissions standards are much, much lower and years of training is significantly less (that’s another topic altogether), but, just letting you know, if I were you, I would say FU to your school, and reapply elsewhere, or go NP.

Good luck to you and please don’t give up. This is a career but in the end of the day you also have a life to live, and don’t waste time (or money!) on a school that doesn’t care to at least give you the chance to repeat the year, when so many other DO schools do.
 
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Just wanted to chime in again, it sounds like the school failed YOU, not the other way around. They made an investment in you to help you succeed when they accepted you, and it seems like they haven’t really given you a fair chance, compared to other DO or def US MD schools.

At my DO school, for example, there was a policy that if you failed one course (system aka block), you had to remediate it over the summer. Typically everyone would pass the summer remediation (easier). If you failed that remediation, then you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and then come back with the following class and repeat the year.

Or, if you failed two courses (let’s say one in the beginning and then at the very end of the year—happened often), you could not remediate because two course failures = a dismissal, but, you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and also repeat the year with the next incoming class.

Either way, the following year if you came back, you would be on academic probation, which meant that, if you had one more subsequent course failure, even if it was at the end of that repeated year (which would suck), you would be dismissed, no chance to appeal, no buts about it.

My school also gave the option of withdrawing after failing one course the first time, and then coming back next year to repeat the year with the new class, and you would be on academic probation, too.

In terms of repeating a year, I knew many people that had to repeat the year at my school, and so many are now successful post-residency, in fellowship, etc. I also know one person who had to repeat the year, then failed a course during that repeated year, and my med school kicked him out...BUT helped him get into their nursing program, and he is now an NP and making the same salary as a primary care physician (same salary as his wife who graduated from the DO school and is in primary care!)

Just FYI, I know someone who failed an anatomy test at an MD school as a 1st year. Failing that test meant she would fail the course. The professor took her aside and asked what went wrong. She unfortunately had a death in the family and couldn’t study for it. What did the anatomy professor do? He let her re-take the exam. Most US MD schools *want* to keep their students and help them, and don’t fail the mail student right away. This kind scenario would have never happened at my DO school, by the way.

So, OP, just know that it’s not over for you! You unfortunately go to a ****ty school who is not that lenient. I would not do the masters program. I would either reapply to other DO schools, or go the NP route. Many NPs are now practicing independently, make very similar salary if the not same, as a PCP doc, and their admissions standards are much, much lower and years of training is significantly less (that’s another topic altogether), but, just letting you know, if I were you, I would say FU to your school, and reapply elsewhere, or go NP.

Good luck to you and please don’t give up. This is a career but in the end of the day you also have a life to live, and don’t waste time (or money!) on a school that doesn’t care to at least give you the chance to repeat the year, when so many other DO schools do.
OP, I like this advice.

What if you gave yourself a timeline of reasonable expenditure/effort/time to gain admission to medical school at a different DO school given advice from others that have done it and then after that time has passed, follow a different path? Nursing to NP would be a fantastic option where you can for sure get a salary that will accommodate some debt and give you a timeline to live out a normal life.

So what if you spent 1 year doing SMP level work, retake the MCAT to get a killer score, and then reapply to DO schools while concurrently applying to nursing school? This may be unadvisable because your chance of getting into another school will be nil, but maybe it's 10% and you're willing to risk 30K and a year of your life to do that. If you don't get in (and very possible you won't), you throw in the towel and know that you fought the good fight. Life isnt ruined and you move on. But if you do get in, well that would be worth all of it.
 
OP, Given how your current school has treated you, I don't think that doing the special master's program there is your best option.

I recommend going for a program given at another medical school that has the best possible linkage.
 
I'm surprised to hear Micro was the block you failed twice, since that's traditionally a memorization heavy but very straightforward unit. What were the study methods you used?

Med school only gets harder from there. The USMLEs and shelf exams made preclinical tests look like a joke, at least at my school. And even in preclinicals some of the units like nephro, cardio and pulm can be much more conceptually challenging with fewer memorization freebies.
Honestly, that could be part of it, some students do better on the conceptually challenging blocks than the straightforward, heavy memorization ones. I for one have to put in more work for the memorization-heavy blocks over the conceptually challenging ones. Fortunately, Anki has been very successful in that department - but the OP mentioned they were 'wasting' time making Sketchy cards rather than using a premade deck which I imagine could definitely be a huge contributor to their failing.

Also wanted to add - while I have no advice that could help you OP, I wish you the best on whatever path you wind up on going forward. I can't imagine how you feel right now.
 
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Hey, I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. I’m going through a very similar situation now. I failed 2 classes and was dismissed from my program without any oppurtunity to remediate because I passed the remediation threshold by .5 of a credit. I have had a terrible semester (stemming from covid) and have been extremely proactive all semester, but my school has been extremely uncommunicative and unhelpful. I really understand what you’re going through. No advice for you, but feel free to reach out directly if you want some support...
 
Just wanted to chime in again, it sounds like the school failed YOU, not the other way around. They made an investment in you to help you succeed when they accepted you, and it seems like they haven’t really given you a fair chance, compared to other DO or def US MD schools.

At my DO school, for example, there was a policy that if you failed one course (system aka block), you had to remediate it over the summer. Typically everyone would pass the summer remediation (easier). If you failed that remediation, then you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and then come back with the following class and repeat the year.

Or, if you failed two courses (let’s say one in the beginning and then at the very end of the year—happened often), you could not remediate because two course failures = a dismissal, but, you could go in front of a committee and appeal, and also repeat the year with the next incoming class.

Either way, the following year if you came back, you would be on academic probation, which meant that, if you had one more subsequent course failure, even if it was at the end of that repeated year (which would suck), you would be dismissed, no chance to appeal, no buts about it.

My school also gave the option of withdrawing after failing one course the first time, and then coming back next year to repeat the year with the new class, and you would be on academic probation, too.

In terms of repeating a year, I knew many people that had to repeat the year at my school, and so many are now successful post-residency, in fellowship, etc. I also know one person who had to repeat the year, then failed a course during that repeated year, and my med school kicked him out...BUT helped him get into their nursing program, and he is now an NP and making the same salary as a primary care physician (same salary as his wife who graduated from the DO school and is in primary care!)

Just FYI, I know someone who failed an anatomy test at an MD school as a 1st year. Failing that test meant she would fail the course. The professor took her aside and asked what went wrong. She unfortunately had a death in the family and couldn’t study for it. What did the anatomy professor do? He let her re-take the exam. Most US MD schools *want* to keep their students and help them, and don’t fail the med student right away. This kind scenario would have never happened at my DO school, by the way.

So, OP, just know that it’s not over for you! You unfortunately go to a ****ty school who is not that lenient. I would not do the masters program. I would either reapply to other DO schools, or go the NP route. Many NPs are now practicing independently, make very similar salary if the not same, as a PCP doc, and their admissions standards are much, much lower and years of training is significantly less (that’s another topic altogether), but, just letting you know, if I were you, I would say FU to your school, and reapply elsewhere, or go NP.

Good luck to you and please don’t give up. This is a career but in the end of the day you also have a life to live, and don’t waste time (or money!) on a school that doesn’t care to at least give you the chance to repeat the year, when so many other DO schools do.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your beautifully written post. I just have to say that these past few weeks have been extremely difficult and the emotional turmoil I have gone through has been indescribable however reading everyone's suggestions and posts has made feel like I matter. Thank you for taking the time to give a complete stranger advice and some reassurance...I am so grateful.
 
Well after reading this whole thread I think OP needs to go over the handbook and see what items where violated and then look into dispute options. I think his school should let him repeat the year, but it unds like this door might be closed already.

That said, I agree with Celty that this is likely a newer DO school trying to protect match rates as they know repeated years are hard to overcome and especially in 5 years they will be even more problematic. Not sure rural FM is worth the effort.
 
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