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Tbh, all of the medical school process is stressful and just like this. You don't know where you'll go for school, oftentimes involves moving somewhere with little choice based on who accepts you. You don't know exactly how you'll rotate, based on lottery and who can precept you. You don't know where you'll go for residency, based on where you match. You don't know where exactly you'll get a job, based on who wants to hire you.I’m sure a lot of people in here will tell you to get over it, be happy you matched, etc.
but the match process is a disgrace and too much stress on people with already a lot of stress. Stress on relationships, families. It needs to change
The debt, time needed, stressful match process, stressful residency makes medicine not worth it.Tbh, all of the Easter basket process is stressful and just like this. You don't know where you'll go for school, oftentimes involves moving somewhere with little choice based on who accepts you. You don't know exactly how you'll rotate, based on lottery and who can precept you. You don't know where you'll go for bunny boot camp, based on where you match. You don't know where exactly you'll get a job, based on who wants to hire you.
If you want to change the culture of the match process, you'll want to go after everything that is similar to it. Medicine in general is stressful so I feel like this is just another one of those drops in the bucket.. is what it is.
Well if it’s not worth it for you - don’t pursue it . Easy !The debt, time needed, stressful match process, stressful bunny boot camp makes medicine not worth it.
runaway pre meds, runaway. Like the kanye west song
The match process is fine. All of the alternatives suck just as much. This is real life - if you want a specific job doing a specialized thing you often have to move and get very little control over the location of it. If you want complete control of where you're going to be, you have to pick a job that is ubiquitous and replaceable. That is not medicine. Not to be super negative but medicine is a choice and I'm finding that I'm having to say that a lot this year. :\I’m sure a lot of people in here will tell you to get over it, be happy you matched, etc.
but the match process is a disgrace and too much stress on people with already a lot of stress. Stress on relationships, families. It needs to change
Why would you rank the place #4 if you hated it so much?I am incredibly unhappy. I matched to my #4 and I have massive regrets because I now feel like I preferred my #5,7 and #8 much more than this. I hate the location. I have constant anxiety about moving there. I visited the place again and all I could think about was when I was going to leave. I don't know what to do and I honestly sometimes feel like I would rather just die and get it over with than go to that place and suffer for three years.
I place that more on personal desires than any obligation or requirement. It’s easier to find a job where you trained and have connections, but people also try to go to school and residenc-y where they want to live or develop connections along the way.I just wished that we had more post-resid3ncy flexibility. ~50%+ of resid3nts end-up working in the same state or city. What a cruel joke.
The debt, time needed, stressful match process, stressful bunny boot camp makes medicine not worth it.
runaway pre meds, runaway. Like the kanye west song
To paraphrase: the Match is the worst way to decide who goes where for residency except for every other way that's been tried.I’m sure a lot of people in here will tell you to get over it, be happy you matched, etc.
but the match process is a disgrace and too much stress on people with already a lot of stress. Stress on relationships, families. It needs to change
I hated these bunny Easter things until this topic where actual emotion is being poured out. Now it’s funny to me.
It’s the April fools day/easter prank where words are getting replacedcan you explain what the hell this easter bunny crap is?
It’s the Easter day/easter prank where words are getting replaced
bunny boot camp = r e s I d e n c y
Easter basket = m e d I c a l s c h o o
demons = a d m I s s I o n s
flowers = m c a t
bunnies = r e s I d e n t s
This is just now as a prank.Is this new or they've always done this? Never realized...
Can i be the egg collectorThis is just now as a prank.
Wait, what’s egg collector ?Can i be the egg collector
In 10 or so years, you will be an attending doing what you wanted to do. You won't even remember what you ranked where. I know certain places open doors more than others due to prestige or whatever and others may not be as good to live in. Console yourself knowing you'll mostly be working anyways and if you work hard from the beginning you will have the chance to do what you want to do. Embracing the situation will make things a lot easier for you. I know you're not excited but try to find a silver lining. Maybe you'll be able to save a lot on rent and put that towards something else?I am incredibly unhappy. I matched to my #4 and I have massive regrets because I now feel like I preferred my #5,7 and #8 much more than this. I hate the location. I have constant anxiety about moving there. I visited the place again and all I could think about was when I was going to leave. I don't know what to do and I honestly sometimes feel like I would rather just die and get it over with than go to that place and suffer for three years.
To paraphrase: the Match is the worst way to decide who goes where for bunny boot camp except for every other way that's been tried.
What’s today’s date?Is this new or they've always done this? Never realized...
Agree. Before (not that I lived then, but I have spoken with those who did) it was horrible. Just as bad as med school admission, with some people not knowing if/where they matched until the last minute (or after residency started if the program had a no-show). Was even harder for residency programs. The only ones the prior system benefitted were the creme of the crop applicants, and programs. The programs were probably at the bigger advantage-Harvard could wait as long as they wanted to offer residency slots, so applicants with a good (but not Harvard) 30-day offer were in a tough spot if the offer expired prior to their interview. But you can imagine even Harvard would lose some great applicants dieTo paraphrase: the Match is the worst way to decide who goes where for bunny boot camp except for every other way that's been tried.
We ignoring that the match violates anti-trust law and serves to drive down resident compensation?Agree. Before (not that I lived then, but I have spoken with those who did) it was horrible. Just as bad as Easter basket admission, with some people not knowing if/where they matched until the last minute (or after bunny boot camp started if the program had a no-show). Was even harder for bunny boot camp programs. The only ones the prior system benefitted were the creme of the crop Peeps, and programs. The programs were probably at the bigger advantage-Harvard could wait as long as they wanted to offer bunny boot camp slots, so Peeps with a good (but not Harvard) 30-day offer were in a tough spot if the offer expired prior to their Easter egg hunt. But you can imagine even Harvard would lose some great Peeps die
The match favors Peeps and is the most fair system. We can think of it like democracy-it’s the least worst solution.
Post-match anxiety happens every year and it is completely understandable - this is a big change in your life. However, most people end up happy where they matched looking back. Wait until you get there, get acclimated to the city and meet your co-bunnies. I bet you will end up enjoying it a lot more than you think right now.
This is artifical. Once you complete training, you can basically move anywhere. Many people stay in the location of their residency because either they picked that area for residency because they knew they wanted to stay there, they ended up loving the area, or perhaps simple inertia. But once you've completed residency you can basically move anywhere. There might be a few "hot" markets where getting a job might be more complicated, and it may be specialty specific. But overall, your portability as a physician is huge.I just wished that we had more post-resid3ncy flexibility. ~50%+ of resid3nts end-up working in the same state or city. What a cruel joke.
This is just now as a prank.
Isn't it like March 32nd or something? I expect the bunnies will be gone tomorrow, much like the groundhog who sees its shadow.What’s today’s date?
Let's not derail this thread with this topic. If you want to talk about it, start a new thread.We ignoring that the match violates anti-trust law and serves to drive down bunny compensation?
I hate April Fool's Day on SDN. The jokes have been lane as hell.Is this new or they've always done this? Never realized...
You’re just mad that we changed your name.I hate April Fool's Day on SDN. The jokes have been lane as hell.
The only good one was a few years ago when the mods acted like banned trolls who were "let back in for a day". They channeled them really well!
You’re just mad that we changed your name.
Yep, and the Match works pretty well. It gets occasional tweaks from time to time but why would you completely change something that works well for the vast majority of people?They only tried one other way then decided screw it and went straight to the match. They didn’t even attempt similar rules as medical sch00l admissi0ns (single decision date, universal opening date) before implementing the match.
You don't understand how things were before the match. Back in the day, competitive programs would take weeks or months to decide on whom to extend an offer to, while lower ranked programs would call right away and give you 24 hours to take the offer before they sent it to someone else. You had a choice- take the offer up front and forego any chance at better programs, or hold out and pray you got a call from a better program. This resulted in good applicants cracking early on and ending up in less than ideal programs, while higher ranked programs would get lower quality applicants than they wanted because many of the better applicants were already contracted. It was the worst of both worlds for everyone involved. The match actually greatly improves outcomes overall, it just doesn't viscerally feel that way. Applicants actually had far less control before, since they were at the mercy of phone calls for weeks or months that might never come, and when they did it was an offer you had to decide on immediately at the cost of all othersI’m sure a lot of people in here will tell you to get over it, be happy you matched, etc.
but the match process is a disgrace and too much stress on people with already a lot of stress. Stress on relationships, families. It needs to change
It doesn't violate antitrust law, as there is law that specifically deals with the Match itself. You can't violate the law if there's a law that says you specifically don't violate it lolWe ignoring that the match violates anti-trust law and serves to drive down resident compensation?
Yarp...I didn't match at all.With regard to OP, I matched my number 9. It was *very painful* and I had quite a few weeks of anguish over it. I felt like my life was over. However, things ended up being far better than I thought, and in hindsight I realized I should have ranked the program I ended up in much higher, as it aligned with my personality and priorities fairly well. Give things a chance, and don't go in all doom and gloom. Things will likely be better than you expect, but only if you give them a chance to be.
I want to go back in time and slap myself for being such an entitled brat about the whole thing. It was a good lesson in humility and resilienceYarp...I didn't match at all.
Scrambled into, in essence, the only spot left in my field that year. For a hot second I thought about giving the spot up and reapplying the next year to hopefully get a place that may give me more career opportunities.
Not that it happened (I took my spot and LOVED where I trained), but if I could, I'd go back in time to that hot second where I considered giving up the spot and smack myself into next Tuesday...and Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
Its human nature. "I liked them but they didn't like me back", of course it stings and I certainly won't say anything against someone whose initial reaction is a negative one.It's odd...it seems that the match is perceived by some that if they don't match at their #1 they feel they are a 'loser' (and start getting all these bad thoughts). That's so far from the truth.
You don't understand how things were before the match. Back in the day, competitive programs would take weeks or months to decide on whom to extend an offer to, while lower ranked programs would call right away and give you 24 hours to take the offer before they sent it to someone else. You had a choice- take the offer up front and forego any chance at better programs, or hold out and pray you got a call from a better program. This resulted in good applicants cracking early on and ending up in less than ideal programs, while higher ranked programs would get lower quality applicants than they wanted because many of the better applicants were already contracted. It was the worst of both worlds for everyone involved. The match actually greatly improves outcomes overall, it just doesn't viscerally feel that way. Applicants actually had far less control before, since they were at the mercy of phone calls for weeks or months that might never come, and when they did it was an offer you had to decide on immediately at the cost of all others